KORE VS CARLI Suspension

[speeddemon8683]

ok, so i'm trying to decide between KORE's Unlimited Series suspension, or Carli's 3" suspension (essentially same thing, just doesn't have a "cool" name). if i'm lucky, someone will have ridden both and can compare... both are too expensive to just "pick one"... thoughts, comments??

[Lance]

Well I've never heard of Carli suspension, but I run Kore's suspension, and it's great. Keep in mind that they run a fleet of Dodges in the Baja 1000. Can't go wrong with that kind of R&D.

Did you read this? http://www.pirate4x4.com/articles/productreviews/kore

[Beat95YJ]

Never heard of Carli, but here is there website.

http://www.thecarlisuspension.com/

Looks similar to KORE. I would say it comes down to who has the better spring rates and shock valving.

[moabtj]

I can say this. KORE is the only suspension company that really tests and test and test. You know they finished in thrid place in the Baja 1000 this year. in the Stock Full class. Carli suspension was there staying at our hotel in San Felipe. I even asked them if they were racing they said quote " Are you kidding???"

[Whitewater]

Might want to clarify that KORE is the only suspension company. Donahoe also tests extensively through various forms of off-road racing. But I don't think they make anything for Dodge's, only Ford, Toyota and Nissan.

[RedBspot]

Kore all the way beat the shit out of it this past week still love it!

[Lance]

Kore all the way beat the shit out of it this past week still love it!

Yep, I beat the shit out of his Kore suspension (and rims) too! :flipoff2:

[desertbull]

I can say this. KORE is the only suspension company that really tests and test and test. You know they finished in thrid place in the Baja 1000 this year. in the Stock Full class. Carli suspension was there staying at our hotel in San Felipe. I even asked them if they were racing they said quote " Are you kidding???"

Yo Boyz---

Here's some facts that may make Mr. MoabTJ retract some of his statement-in fact Carli did tell moabtj that the Carli Race Truck was not complete as of this race and that they will be racing in Baja next season.

I personally have been beating the crapola out of my Dodge Carli Suspension System for two years. I've run at least 25K dirt miles with my Mega System from Carli Suspension that features a FOX 3" reservoir shocks on all four corners including the addition of some bad-azz FOX Bump stops for the gnarly hits at speed.

Contrary to moabtj's statement, Carli Suspension does test-test and test routinely throughout Baja and the Mojave Desert working on the performance of their products. It's not uncommon to be plying the desert floor many days per month testing components whether coil springs, valve rates, steering components, rear springs or mashing diff guards.

Carli Suspension raced the Baja 1000 in 2005 in their sportsman truck.
Carli Suspension provided 2 Dodge Ram Diesel trucks at the 2005 Baja 1000 in support of my personal race efforts.
Carli Suspension provided 3 Dodge RAM Diesel trucks at the 2006 Baja 500 chasing for the MasterCraft #230 Pro Truck finishing 2nd in class.
Carli Suspension provided 2 trucks in support of Eric Solorzano's Class 11 - VW Bug victory at this year's Baja 1000

The Carli Suspension Dodge Ram Race truck project is well underway and is set to debut in 2007. These are just a few facts to keep everyone informed of the facts--and only the facts:D

KORE has great products, but there are choices available for those that want something other than KORE.

There are many threads on the TDR discussing the differences in ALL the Dodge Ram Diesels suspension companies and choices available to customers.

Happy T-Day boyz (From San Felipe where we are headed to Puertocitos this afternoon to get in the natural hot springs and then over to Percebu for some liquid refreshments - Temps in San Felipe today are mid-70's and sunny! Going to Bomb the Dodge!)

[El Pirata]

I can say this. KORE is the only suspension company that really tests and test and test. You know they finished in thrid place in the Baja 1000 this year. in the Stock Full class. Carli suspension was there staying at our hotel in San Felipe. I even asked them if they were racing they said quote " Are you kidding???"
Well, I had to register for this one.

My name is Brian Busby & I was Sage's (Sage Carli) passenger this past weekend.

I represent Torco Racing Fuels as the Southern California Distributor.

Sage was hosting myself as well as the Western Regional Manager from Torco during the Baja 1000 this year.

I was with him at the hotel in San Felipe & this conversation simply never happened.

The only thing I can say about Sage & Carli suspension is that he is a stand up guy and is willing and able to lend a hand at the drop of a hat.

Now, I know nothing about KORE's suspension or how it rides, etc ... but I can say that when his chase team was lost at the Pemex gas station looking for Zoo road, Sage gave them directions, wished them luck and told them to tell Kent that he said hi (these guys were in a Titan and said that they were chasing for KORE and that Sage needed a KORE kit ... not knowing who we were). Funny, that the guy you are bashing was helping the guy you are supporting.

Sage was a little too busy to race this own race truck this year. He was supposed to drive Tim Sanchez's 5-1600. But Tim had to pull out at the last minute. Sage offered to host / drive us Torco guys around.

So, to say Sage & or Carli Suspension isn't ready, willing or able to race ... well, it simply is untrue.

If anyone has any questions, you can reach me at (949) 581-9450, this is our business line. I try not to hide behind screen names.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone,
Brian

[Dirty Harry]

Now, I know nothing about KORE's suspension or how it rides, etc ... but I can say that when his chase team was lost at the Pemex gas station looking for Zoo road, Sage gave them directions, wished them luck and told them to tell Kent that he said hi (these guys were in a Titan and said that they were chasing for KORE and that Sage needed a KORE kit ... not knowing who we were). Funny, that the guy you are bashing was helping the guy you are supporting.


Driving a Titan? Could this have been Robin Stover or someone from FourWheeler perhaps?

[Baja_Mike]

I can say this. KORE is the only suspension company that really tests and test and test. You know they finished in thrid place in the Baja 1000 this year. in the Stock Full class. Carli suspension was there staying at our hotel in San Felipe. I even asked them if they were racing they said quote " Are you kidding???"

So what hotel were you staying at? I was at the same hotel as Carli. I find it pretty funny that the Kore camp runs out of things to say about Carli so has to resort to making up lies. Thats just plain pathetic!

Carli is building a race truck as we speak. It will be debuting in 2007 and will open alot of eyes. He is definately planning on running the Baja 500 and Baja 1000 next year as well as some of the MDR and MORE races.

Finishing the Baja 1000 is a great feat in itself. You say you finished in third place but seeing that the truck finished right about at the time limit and was the last truck in its class to finish, you actually took last place (14 hours behind a H2).

[stover]

Driving a Titan? Could this have been Robin Stover or someone from FourWheeler perhaps?

DH: Nope Wasn't me in the Titan. Nissan would not let me take the project "Everyday Titan" to Mexico. That was Lorin Worthington's younger brother in the Titan. That guy busted his ass helping out our team this year at the B1K. Cool dude.:smokin:
His Titan is pretty sick too.

Kore Vrs Carli
Lets just say this, If anyone would like to discuss or debate on which kit is better. Call me. I'd be happy to explain the differences and why I'd choose the Kore kit over Carli anyday. 323-782-2237

[stover]

Yo Boyz---

Here's some facts that may make Mr. MoabTJ retract some of his statement-in fact Carli did tell moabtj that the Carli Race Truck was not complete as of this race and that they will be racing in Baja next season.

I personally have been beating the crapola out of my Dodge Carli Suspension System for two years. I've run at least 25K dirt miles with my Mega System from Carli Suspension that features a FOX 3" reservoir shocks on all four corners including the addition of some bad-azz FOX Bump stops for the gnarly hits at speed.

Contrary to moabtj's statement, Carli Suspension does test-test and test routinely throughout Baja and the Mojave Desert working on the performance of their products. It's not uncommon to be plying the desert floor many days per month testing components whether coil springs, valve rates, steering components, rear springs or mashing diff guards.

Carli Suspension raced the Baja 1000 in 2005 in their sportsman truck.
Carli Suspension provided 2 Dodge Ram Diesel trucks at the 2005 Baja 1000 in support of my personal race efforts.
Carli Suspension provided 3 Dodge RAM Diesel trucks at the 2006 Baja 500 chasing for the MasterCraft #230 Pro Truck finishing 2nd in class.
Carli Suspension provided 2 trucks in support of Eric Solorzano's Class 11 - VW Bug victory at this year's Baja 1000

The Carli Suspension Dodge Ram Race truck project is well underway and is set to debut in 2007. These are just a few facts to keep everyone informed of the facts--and only the facts:D

KORE has great products, but there are choices available for those that want something other than KORE.

There are many threads on the TDR discussing the differences in ALL the Dodge Ram Diesels suspension companies and choices available to customers.

Happy T-Day boyz (From San Felipe where we are headed to Puertocitos this afternoon to get in the natural hot springs and then over to Percebu for some liquid refreshments - Temps in San Felipe today are mid-70's and sunny! Going to Bomb the Dodge!)

Some pics showing off this so called Race truck :D would make this thread a lot better.

[desertbull]

Some pics showing off this so called Race truck :D would make this thread a lot better.

ROTFLMAO---young Baja grasshopper!

In time you Baja Bomber--LOL

[WOBBLEWAGON]

In my opinion Carli Suspension is a great suspension my buddy has his 2006 dodge done up. Sage at Carli Suspension is a cool dude. He will spend the time to go over any questions you may have about the suspension kits they offer. Kore may be a big name and the first to have a truck race but look at the amount of travel and the customer service. I ran into bad service with Kore. The person I spoke with must have been on the rag or something but honestly it is worth it to look at the Carli Suspension. www.thecarlisuspension.comGreat customer service and good parts beats out big name. Go Carli.

[PARANOID56]

how about prices?
i put a KORE full unlimited kit on our 06 Dodge and it was beat apon. had a super nice soft ride. Then, we added a full bed cage, and rock sliders and a heavy dudy front bumper then it rode very rough :D I guess the dodge frame flexes a lot :D
now, the KORE kit with shipping to SoCal was around 10k. how much is the Carli kit?

Shane

[stover]

Pananoid56: You changed the sprung weight of your truck when you added the extra parts. you need to update your shock valving profile. Just ask the nice folks at Kore about a re-valving. They love helping customers dial in their suspension systems. That's one of the coolest things about Kore, they want to make sure each customer is happy with the finish product.

[Beat95YJ]

Pananoid56: You changed the sprung weight of your truck when you added the extra parts. you need to update your shock valving profile. Just ask the nice folks at Kore about a re-valving. They love helping customers dial in their suspension systems. That's one of the coolest things about Kore, they want to make sure each customer is happy with the finish product.


Shock valving profile? Is that like his profile on Match.com?

[Po' riggity]

I would like to know the cost of the Carli kit as well. Ive only ridden in a KORE equipped truck, and it rode pretty dang nice.
Scott

[Baja_Mike]

how about prices?
i put a KORE full unlimited kit on our 06 Dodge and it was beat apon. had a super nice soft ride. Then, we added a full bed cage, and rock sliders and a heavy dudy front bumper then it rode very rough :D I guess the dodge frame flexes a lot :D
now, the KORE kit with shipping to SoCal was around 10k. how much is the Carli kit?

Shane

For prices on the Carli products you can check out Defiant Truck products:

http://www.defianttruckproducts.com

Or seeing that you are in the Santa Barbara area you can call Thuren Fabrication in Santa Barbara since he is an authorized distributer for Carli.

http://www.thurenfabrication.com

[Baja_Mike]

Pananoid56: You changed the sprung weight of your truck when you added the extra parts. you need to update your shock valving profile. Just ask the nice folks at Kore about a re-valving. They love helping customers dial in their suspension systems. That's one of the coolest things about Kore, they want to make sure each customer is happy with the finish product.

They want to make sure every customer is happy? Then why do they have threads like this one on TDR?

http://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156197&highlight=kore

Maybe as a magazine editor you shouldn't be so biased towards one company. When was the last time you rode in a truck with a Carli kit? Have you ever? If I saw you come on here (a public forum) and be totally biased towards a company that I was in competition with I would never advertise with the magazine you work for or even consider it in the future. Absolutely bad business on your part.

[BigDan]

Wow I see alot of uninformed people here that just read into all the hype.

Whoever is considering a race quality suspension needs to go register at a Dodge diesel forum better yet all of them mainly DTR (even though I got banned over there, but still has lots of good info) TDR and cummins forums.

KORE totally lost my busniess once the jacked there prices through the roof and once he had a few other compeating companies offering better products at better prices. KORE has also been involved in some shady busniess and isnt a good busniess owner and his warranty and tech sucks compared to the other companies.

There's tons of threads about unhappy and pissed off KORE product owners that have ditched their KORE stuff in favor of one of these other companies due to tons of reasons have it be quality control, broken shit, bad customer service.

Did you know you can even go to KORE's shop because he doesnt have one and works out of his garage and wont let you come on over to talk to him in person nor work on your truck. Almost like a hermit that doesnt give a shit compared to these other companies that have shops, showrooms, and will work on your rig and even give you rides in shop trucks.

I have no personal dealings with KORE but I know a rip off when I see one.

Look into Carli, Thuren, Lorenz before you look into KORE.

FYI KORE has now become the Bank's of suspension

Your :smokin: if you think you can go bolt on a KORE setup and race baja...it aint happening w/o tons of other work.

[Beat95YJ]

Maybe as a magazine editor you shouldn't be so biased towards one company. When was the last time you rode in a truck with a Carli kit? Have you ever? If I saw you come on here (a public forum) and be totally biased towards a company that I was in competition with I would never advertise with the magazine you work for or even consider it in the future. Absolutely bad business on your part.


Mike, can i play devils advocate for a second? This may be where Robin Stover 4wheeling enthusiast surfs the net, not Robin Stover Magazine Editor. I do know that I come here for release from my day to day job, (in the automotive aftermarket) and the things I say here are reflections of my personal opinions and not corporate policy. Something to think about, before we bash his daytme gig.

[Jerry Blair]

Mike, can i play devils advocate for a second? This may be where Robin Stover 4wheeling enthusiast surfs the net, not Robin Stover Magazine Editor. I do know that I come here for release from my day to day job, (in the automotive aftermarket) and the things I say here are reflections of my personal opinions and not corporate policy. Something to think about, before we bash his daytme gig.


Also, most magazines pride themselves that "editorial content is independent from advertising." And as an advertiser, you will place your ad where it gets the most value.

Would you really want a magazine editor to keep their personal opinions quiet because it might hurt advertising in their magazine? That would totally discredit any editorial content in the magazine. It is very important that they "call it like they see it".

I buy magazine advertising for my company. We have several competitors in our market and magazines often run comparisons. The editors always pick one they feel is "the best". It helps my company regardless of where we stand in the comparison. If we are picked best, we have something to brag about. If we are not, we have a chance to either see where we are lacking or we have an opportunity to correct any "misconceptions" that may occur with our products.

[Baja_Mike]

Mike, can i play devils advocate for a second? This may be where Robin Stover 4wheeling enthusiast surfs the net, not Robin Stover Magazine Editor. I do know that I come here for release from my day to day job, (in the automotive aftermarket) and the things I say here are reflections of my personal opinions and not corporate policy. Something to think about, before we bash his daytme gig.

If you look at his signature he is more than happy to point out that he is an Editor at FourWheeler magazine. If he wanted to play 4 wheeling enthusiast he should be a bit more anonymous in my opiniion.

[El Pirata]

Two quotes to look at here:

The editors always pick one they feel is "the best". It helps my company regardless of where we stand in the comparison. If we are picked best, we have something to brag about. If we are not, we have a chance to either see where we are lacking or we have an opportunity to correct any "misconceptions" that may occur with our products.

Maybe as a magazine editor you shouldn't be so biased towards one company. When was the last time you rode in a truck with a Carli kit? Have you ever?

So the qustion is, has the magazine done a comparison? With all of the trash talking ... I think it's due.

I've spoken to Sage, he's down.

I've also spoken to my sources at Primedia (the parent company of 4wheeler) and they also state that it is bad business to bash another company ... but IMO, to say "If anyone would like to discuss or debate on which kit is better. Call me. I'd be happy to explain the differences and why I'd choose the Kore kit over Carli anyday." ... well, without riding in a vehicle with Carli Suspension or going over and speaking about the differences in the suspension w/ the owner of Carli is in poor taste.

I question the character of anyone who makes "blanket" judgements w/o proof of doing their homework first.

Sorry Robin.

[Jerry Blair]

I've also spoken to my sources at Primedia (the parent company of 4wheeler) and they also state that it is bad business to bash another company ...

I would agree that the advertising sales team would prefer that the editors keep their opinions to themselves:D .

I guarantee that not everyone sees critisism as an "opportunity". lol.

[Baja_Mike]

Also, most magazines pride themselves that "editorial content is independent from advertising." And as an advertiser, you will place your ad where it gets the most value.

Would you really want a magazine editor to keep their personal opinions quiet because it might hurt advertising in their magazine? That would totally discredit any editorial content in the magazine. It is very important that they "call it like they see it".

I buy magazine advertising for my company. We have several competitors in our market and magazines often run comparisons. The editors always pick one they feel is "the best". It helps my company regardless of where we stand in the comparison. If we are picked best, we have something to brag about. If we are not, we have a chance to either see where we are lacking or we have an opportunity to correct any "misconceptions" that may occur with our products.

I have no problem with a magazine editor saying it as it is. As long as their opinion isn't influenced by a company they are in bed with. I have no problem with fair comparisons as long as they are fair and not weighted towards a company because the editor rides in their race truck or is good friends with them.

I don't think you would be happy if one of the magazines you advertise with had an editor that was friends with one of your competitors and you weren't ever able to get a fair comparison in the magazine because of it. I also don't think you would appreciate them coming onto a public forum and throwing their title around saying your competition is better than you without any valid proof of that.

Magazine editors saying things on forums tend to carry alot of weight. Most people would take the word of a editor over some joe schmoe on a forum. So Robin coming on here throwing his title around when he doesn't have any dealings with Carli is just abusing his position in order help out his buddy Kent. Robin as a magazine editor should always have an open mind so that the readers of his magazine get a fair analysis of the products out there. But instead is seems that his judgment is skewed by riding in someones truck at a Baja 1000.

[El Pirata]

I would agree that the advertising sales team would prefer that the editors keep their opinions to themselves:D .

I guarantee that not everyone sees critisism as an "opportunity". lol.

I am all for healty critisism ... just not unfairly biased.

The person I spoke to was an editor for another one of their Magazines, (not just a feature editor, but THE editor) and it was in passing conversation, not specific to this issue ... I just asked if this was normal due to the fact that we advertise with them as well.

I am not for or against anything here ... just don't like seeing untruth's being told. That is what got me to register and post.

I don't know Kent or anyone at KORE, therefore you will not hear me bash them or their product. I do know Sage and others who run the different Dodge systems, and I know of the things I have heard ... but cannot speak for their validity, so I keep out of it.

I think this has opened up a great oppertunity for Mr. Stover & team to fix the whole arguement ... get all of the mfg's together with some non-biased drivers and test them all with a fair comparison. (KORE, Carli, Lorenz, etc)

So, how about it Mr. Stover?

[NPKenny]

Yes, this is a comparison I would like to see. Heck, I would even volunteer my Mega Cab to fit a kit to :D .

[stover]

Sorry guys, been busy playing catch up at work.
My opinions are exactly that. MY OPINIONS. Last I checked we Americans were still entitled to this. I clearly define myself as an FW editor in my sig because it opens up the networking channels. Not because I want others to respect my words.

Affiliation with a magazine or not I prefer KORE over Carli because I know the history of T-REX. My opinion doesn’t have much to do with the actual product.

Carli’s stuff works awesome off road. I’ve seen it. It’s very similar to Kore in fact. I might even classify it as a copycat product in my own personal OPINION.
The fact is Kent Kroeker was the very first to tackle the HD Dodge Ram market with a high quality production product designed to make a Dodge go fast.
He uses an approach to part manufacturing that few can afford to duplicate.
I had a TREX kit on my own personal truck. It was great.
Now I have a Kore kit on it.
Remember, I can get anything I want for my project trucks. I picked Kore.
I’ve ridden in a 03 with a Lorenz kit and can say it felt pretty nice. However I feel if you are going to plunk down 10K for an Ultimate Dodge kit, you get a hell of a lot more for your money by choosing Kore’s product.
Where is the added value?
Well let me explain it like this. With 10K to spend on a suspension kit I would expect the owner of the company to drop everything and take me down to Baja for a weekend to show me what I’m getting for my 10K. That’s a lot of bread! Kent does this all the time for select customers. He practically lives down there.
When you buy a Kore kit you enter into a winners circle. It’s a circle of dedicated individuals who worship off road racing and do so in a way that draws others in. I lost count of all the trips down to Mexico with Kore.

In 2004 I rode with Kent for 29.5 hours non stop in the B1K. We got 3rd place.
In 2006 I did it again, only this time we had three trucks racing. All of which were prepped at Kore’s new race shop. I’d give you an address but Kent would kill me.
Trust me, I was there yesterday, its rad.
I can’t speak for Carli or Lorenz about prepping race vehicles, but I know this: Never once has either of them invited me out to learn about their product in the field where it was conceived.
I’d gladly put together a shoot out. Despite the outcome, I’d still side with Kore. Not because they would win or loose, but because Kore is a company I believe in. They do what I want more companies to do; prove the product before it goes on sale.

As for blanket statements, I could have gone into all this in my first post but
Again, long winded posts suck with out photos in my opinion, so I offered to give would be critics a better option, polite phone conversation.

In closing, I’d like to remind Baja Mike and El Pirata that I have been a Pirate PBB member way longer than I’ve been a magazine editor. This board is where I planted my roots back when I was a high school student. My dealings here have always been in good taste and with due respect. I have many friends here, and have nothing to prove.
I don’t care what advertisers see my words, ad dollars don’t steer my choices. I’m an editor not a sales rep. Advertisers can’t buy my opinion. The proof is in the silt beds.

[Baja_Mike]

The fact is Kent Kroeker was the very first to tackle the HD Dodge Ram market with a high quality production product designed to make a Dodge go fast.
He uses an approach to part manufacturing that few can afford to duplicate.
I had a TREX kit on my own personal truck. It was great.
Now I have a Kore kit on it.


You have forgotten to mention one very important name, Victor Ortiz. In case you have only heard one side of the story let me give you a quick run down. Victor is the engineer behind T-Rex he brought in Kent because he is an excellent marketing and PR guy. If you look at the link below you will notice that it is both Victor and Kent on the patent Carli and Kore use. Victor and Kent had a falling out, details I don't think really belong on a public forum (if anyone would really like to know PM me).

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=D495,278.PN.&OS=PN/D495,278&RS=PN/D495,278

Sage Carli was there at the beginning of T-Rex, in fact he actually helped refine it (see link below). Carli was T-Rex's number one installer and was promised sole distributership of So-Cal. Later Kent picked up the late Greg Boardman (RIP by the way) and made him the so-cal distributer and told Carli to buy through him and cut down his percentage off.

http://dodge.off-road.com/dodge/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=194405

Now both Sage and Victor are a bit upset with Kent at this point. Sage and Victor are able to get in touch with each other and Victor agrees to give Carli permission to use his patent and even refines the shock towers further (If Mr. Stover ever does a comparison you will see the differences in the towers). So as you can see Kent was there at the beginning but really wasn't just the only one. Kent is also not an engineer, if you noticed after Victor left there really hasn't been any new products come out of Kore. If you notice on the top of the shock towers of Kore and Carli there are 4 threaded holes there. They are meant for a shock tower brace, Carli has the brace available now Kent doesn't, why? Because Victor gave the design to Carli and had been planning the design since T-Rex was first started. Carli also has hydraulic bump stop kits for the front and in the next 2 weeks for the rear. He is on cutting edge of product development. He is also the only company to give you a choice between Fox and King shocks.

If Kent makes such a great product why is he so worried about Carli that he goes and buys www.carlisuspension.com.......See below this directly quoted from NetworkSolutions.com WHOIS:

Please note: the owner of the domain name is specified in the "registrant" field.
In most cases, the Registrar is not the owner of domain names listed in this database.


Registrant:
KORE
P.O. Box 2628
Valley Center, California 92082
United States

Registered through: Cheap-DomainNames.com
Domain Name: CARLISUSPENSION.COM
Created on: 13-Sep-05
Expires on: 13-Sep-07
Last Updated on: 12-Aug-06

Administrative Contact:
Kroeker, Kent info@koreperformance.com
KORE
P.O. Box 2628
Valley Center, California 92082
United States
(760) 749-8687 Fax -- (760) 749-0842

Technical Contact:
Kroeker, Kent info@koreperformance.com
KORE
P.O. Box 2628
Valley Center, California 92082
United States
(760) 749-8687 Fax -- (760) 749-0842

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.PARKEDNAMESERVER.COM
NS2.PARKEDNAMESERVER.COM


However I feel if you are going to plunk down 10K for an Ultimate Dodge kit, you get a hell of a lot more for your money by choosing Kore’s product.
Where is the added value?
Well let me explain it like this. With 10K to spend on a suspension kit I would expect the owner of the company to drop everything and take me down to Baja for a weekend to show me what I’m getting for my 10K. That’s a lot of bread! Kent does this all the time for select customers. He practically lives down there.
When you buy a Kore kit you enter into a winners circle. It’s a circle of dedicated individuals who worship off road racing and do so in a way that draws others in. I lost count of all the trips down to Mexico with Kore.


So what you're saying is if I was interested in his Unlimited series he would drop everything and take me down to Baja this weekend? Sounds good to me what's his phone # I'd really like to see what the Unlimited is all about. In fact let's post a big press release on all the big dodge forums: TDR, DTR, Pirate, and etc. Let's have Kore take anyone and everyone that's interested in an Unlimited kit down to Mexico.

Come on do you really think he does this on a regular basis? He took you and the other magazine editors and maybe some people with big names because he wanted to have you in his pocket. He's an awesome marketing and PR guy, no one can dispute that or take that away from him. But if this is why you justify the extra cost of his kit I think you should take a poll on TDR and DTR on how many people really got this type of treatment. Not very many I guarantee it.

By the way the equivalent Carli kit to the Kore unlimited kit is $7190. Why pay $2800 more for basically the same kit when Carli has a shock tower brace, skid plate, and dual stablizer instead of single. If you paid 10k for the Carli kit he would be more than happy to take you out to Mexico for the weekend.


In closing, I’d like to remind Baja Mike and El Pirata that I have been a Pirate PBB member way longer than I’ve been a magazine editor. This board is where I planted my roots back when I was a high school student. My dealings here have always been in good taste and with due respect. I have many friends here, and have nothing to prove.



Robin all you had to do is just tell us the truth from the beginning. If it was strictly your opinion that you wanted to state you could have said this:
"I think everyone should buy KORE products because Kent and I are good friends"
Then no one could dispute that or come up with an argument but instead you left the door wide open. I should actually thank you for that. You have allowed me and some other people to bring into the light things that if I were to have just posted up on my own I would have been flamed on but thanks to you that didn't happen.

In closing, my opinion is if Kent is such a stand up guy and has such a superior product I think he should stop harrasing Carli and let him do his thing. I also think that a suspension shoot out is due. I have spoken to Sage and he is game, he also told me to let you know that you can have a seat at next year's Baja 500 or Baja 1000. Let us know if you're game.

[Jerry Blair]

If Kent makes such a great product why is he so worried about Carli that he goes and buys www.carlisuspension.com.......See

FYI. If Carli wants this domain name, it is easily his. Shouldn't take more than a letter from his lawyer. If KORE doesn't have anything to do with carlisuspension and in-fact took the domain name specifically to keep Carli from using it, he is in violation of the Anticybersquatting Consumer Consumer Protection Act:

http://www.fmew.com/archive/cybersquat/index.html

[bob4x4]

I bought a Kore Race system for my 05 2500 after a demo ride in Kents truck.It was a huge improvement over stock but It did not handle like Kents.
On my own I set up a suspension Shoot out at Glamis,Greg(RIP) from DRC was to show and possibly Kent.It seems I picked the wrong wk-end Sage was hosting a party,whoops sorry Sage.Sean Lorenz came out to show his stuff and we had a rookie with Carli on it.Greg did not show no call till after to ask how I did.We had a blast we beat the **ll out our trucks.3 trucks went home with bent front ends,A Kore,a superlift and a stocker.Lorenze survived,Carli's survived.DRC had a truss but would not sell it to me w/out the install.I had to fab and install my own in what little spare time I have........no support from Kore after spending money with them!I had Sage Carli install some front bumps to assist the overrated race system which helped but was still not enough.At that point I bailed on the Kore system and asked Sage for his set-up.I now have the 3" king system.A couple of insane Glamis trips and a bit of Barstow desert running and I am happy.All of this has been hashed out on the diesel websites.I just heard about this from another off-roader and figured I would give my 2 cents so no one else has to spend the amount of money I have to find what works best

Respectfully Bob

[BigDan]

There is a HUGE difference between KORE's race truck and their off the shelf ultimate racing box kit installed on your truck.....From reading this it sounds like KORE is trying to sell his race truck as if that's what the customers truck will ride like. Like I said there no way a KORE ultimate box suspension installed on a truck one day abd race and be competive at the baja 1000 the next day....Its just not going to happen

If anyone out there reading this and actually considering a race quality suspension NEEDS to go to a more Dodge Diesel specific forum since this thread seems to have alot of questionable opions.

[dsherman4X4]

You have forgotten to mention one very important name, Victor Ortiz. In case you have only heard one side of the story let me give you a quick run down. Victor is the engineer behind T-Rex he brought in Kent because he is an excellent marketing and PR guy. If you look at the link below you will notice that it is both Victor and Kent on the patent Carli and Kore use. Victor and Kent had a falling out, details I don't think really belong on a public forum (if anyone would really like to know PM me).

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=D495,278.PN.&OS=PN/D495,278&RS=PN/D495,278

Sage Carli was there at the beginning of T-Rex, in fact he actually helped refine it (see link below). Carli was T-Rex's number one installer and was promised sole distributership of So-Cal. Later Kent picked up the late Greg Boardman (RIP by the way) and made him the so-cal distributer and told Carli to buy through him and cut down his percentage off.

http://dodge.off-road.com/dodge/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=194405

Now both Sage and Victor are a bit upset with Kent at this point. Sage and Victor are able to get in touch with each other and Victor agrees to give Carli permission to use his patent and even refines the shock towers further (If Mr. Stover ever does a comparison you will see the differences in the towers). So as you can see Kent was there at the beginning but really wasn't just the only one. Kent is also not an engineer, if you noticed after Victor left there really hasn't been any new products come out of Kore. If you notice on the top of the shock towers of Kore and Carli there are 4 threaded holes there. They are meant for a shock tower brace, Carli has the brace available now Kent doesn't, why? Because Victor gave the design to Carli and had been planning the design since T-Rex was first started. Carli also has hydraulic bump stop kits for the front and in the next 2 weeks for the rear. He is on cutting edge of product development. He is also the only company to give you a choice between Fox and King shocks.

If Kent makes such a great product why is he so worried about Carli that he goes and buys www.carlisuspension.com.......See below this directly quoted from NetworkSolutions.com WHOIS:

Please note: the owner of the domain name is specified in the "registrant" field.
In most cases, the Registrar is not the owner of domain names listed in this database.


Registrant:
KORE
P.O. Box 2628
Valley Center, California 92082
United States

Registered through: Cheap-DomainNames.com
Domain Name: CARLISUSPENSION.COM
Created on: 13-Sep-05
Expires on: 13-Sep-07
Last Updated on: 12-Aug-06

Administrative Contact:
Kroeker, Kent info@koreperformance.com
KORE
P.O. Box 2628
Valley Center, California 92082
United States
(760) 749-8687 Fax -- (760) 749-0842

Technical Contact:
Kroeker, Kent info@koreperformance.com
KORE
P.O. Box 2628
Valley Center, California 92082
United States
(760) 749-8687 Fax -- (760) 749-0842

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.PARKEDNAMESERVER.COM
NS2.PARKEDNAMESERVER.COM



So what you're saying is if I was interested in his Unlimited series he would drop everything and take me down to Baja this weekend? Sounds good to me what's his phone # I'd really like to see what the Unlimited is all about. In fact let's post a big press release on all the big dodge forums: TDR, DTR, Pirate, and etc. Let's have Kore take anyone and everyone that's interested in an Unlimited kit down to Mexico.

Come on do you really think he does this on a regular basis? He took you and the other magazine editors and maybe some people with big names because he wanted to have you in his pocket. He's an awesome marketing and PR guy, no one can dispute that or take that away from him. But if this is why you justify the extra cost of his kit I think you should take a poll on TDR and DTR on how many people really got this type of treatment. Not very many I guarantee it.

By the way the equivalent Carli kit to the Kore unlimited kit is $7190. Why pay $2800 more for basically the same kit when Carli has a shock tower brace, skid plate, and dual stablizer instead of single. If you paid 10k for the Carli kit he would be more than happy to take you out to Mexico for the weekend.




Robin all you had to do is just tell us the truth from the beginning. If it was strictly your opinion that you wanted to state you could have said this:
"I think everyone should buy KORE products because Kent and I are good friends"
Then no one could dispute that or come up with an argument but instead you left the door wide open. I should actually thank you for that. You have allowed me and some other people to bring into the light things that if I were to have just posted up on my own I would have been flamed on but thanks to you that didn't happen.

In closing, my opinion is if Kent is such a stand up guy and has such a superior product I think he should stop harrasing Carli and let him do his thing. I also think that a suspension shoot out is due. I have spoken to Sage and he is game, he also told me to let you know that you can have a seat at next year's Baja 500 or Baja 1000. Let us know if you're game.


AMEND TO THAT:D :D
I have the T-REX system and it a better system then the KORE race system.
Carli has now the best system hands down then KORE :D :D
Kents nothing with out Victor:D :D
Victor is the master mine, And Kents K.O.R.E is the copy:eek: :eek: :eek:
Here are some pics with T-Rex system. Also this is Victors web site.
http://www.minotruck.com/slideshow/?cate=14&cfolder=truckofmonth&f=230

[coop341]

FYI. If Carli wants this domain name, it is easily his. Shouldn't take more than a letter from his lawyer.

Why should should Sage have to pay his lawyer to get this domain name back. If Kent was a real man, he would just release it! This is very childish way to run a business.

I was looking into a Kore suspension package until I heard about this domain name thing. I wouldn't buy from Kent now even if it his system was better. I don't know Sage, have never talked to him, but when I am ready to spend some money on my suspension, I will call him first followed by Sean Lorenz, but not Kent.

[mudrebel360]

As one of the builders of the truck pictured i can say that Kent is a great guy to work with and has an awesome suspension for the baja terrian. This kit may of not been a bolt on kit but with just little re-valving it handled great over anything and even for the weight of the truck. And the bolt on kits that he offers where on chase trucks and they handled the same as the actually race trucks and went over the same terrain during the prerun. All i can say is this kit is gettin used again on another truck for 2007 because of the help and support that kent supplied before, during, and after the baja 1000 and the abilities of the KORE suspension.

[bob4x4]

As one of the builders of the truck pictured i can say that Kent is a great guy to work with and has an awesome suspension for the baja terrian. This kit may of not been a bolt on kit but with just little re-valving it handled great over anything and even for the weight of the truck. And the bolt on kits that he offers where on chase trucks and they handled the same as the actually race trucks and went over the same terrain during the prerun. All i can say is this kit is gettin used again on another truck for 2007 because of the help and support that kent supplied before, during, and after the baja 1000 and the abilities of the KORE suspension.

Did your truck finish?

[mudrebel360]

No it didn't but i can tell you it wasn't because of any suspension issues. Pre-run was flawless though, goin the same speed as we would of during the race.

[bob4x4]

No it didn't but i can tell you it wasn't because of any suspension issues. Pre-run was flawless though, goin the same speed as we would of during the race.
Can you fill us in on how your run went? we only hear about the ones that win not the guys that give er hell and don't.Thanks

Bob

[WOBBLEWAGON]

I think that everyone needs to just call all the players and decide for themselves. I think that Carli, Lorenz, and Thuren Fabrication, and KORE all have good products but you need to call and talk to them and make a decision for yourself who has the best product and at what price. If you talk to Don Thuren, Sage at Carli, Sean Lorenz, or KORE as I have. You are going to talk in my mind two groups of companies. Don, Sage, and Sean all know each other and speak highly of each others products. Kore is by itself and well seemed to be pissy when I tried to get into conversation about there suspension and how it compared to others. They didn’t want to talk about it. Here are the web addresses for each of them. I do recommend calling them and asking about their products. In my mind having good customer service, good products, and a good price beats out who blows a sh&% load of money in Baja and looks kool.

Sage at Carli Suspension:
www.thecarlisuspension.com :) :D
also at
Defiant Truck Products: (has prices listed for Carli Suspension)
www.defianttruckproducts.com :) :D

Don Thuren at Thuren Industries: (coming soon a long arm kit)
www.thurenfabrication.com :) :)

Sean Lorenz at Lorenz Industries:
www.lorenzindustries.com :) :)

K.O.R.E. at:
www.koreperformance.com :flipoff2:

SMILEY FACES ARE JUST MY OPINIONS

Call and get the info from these guys I know that Sage, Don, and Sean all are the owners of their shops and are all more than willing to spend the time with you and go over all the nifty stuff about their kits. Good luck take peoples opinions as opinions only until you see it or drive it yourself. Don’t choose by who spends the most money on advertising.

[moabtj]

So what hotel were you staying at? I was at the same hotel as Carli. I find it pretty funny that the Kore camp runs out of things to say about Carli so has to resort to making up lies. Thats just plain pathetic!

Carli is building a race truck as we speak. It will be debuting in 2007 and will open alot of eyes. He is definately planning on running the Baja 500 and Baja 1000 next year as well as some of the MDR and MORE races.

Finishing the Baja 1000 is a great feat in itself. You say you finished in third place but seeing that the truck finished right about at the time limit and was the last truck in its class to finish, you actually took last place (14 hours behind a H2).

Yes, I stayed at the same hotel and talked to the carli guys I don't even own a dodge. I just asked a question to the carli guys. Simple. Why are you such a cry baby.. Get a life and grow up. He said she said .....Maybe what you really need is some kleenex for all the tears

[rocknbronco]

I say go with Kore when I was looking at a Dodge that what I wanted to run there kits seem to be great from what I ahve heard and read but the other company I havent even heard of.

[BigDan]

I say go with Kore when I was looking at a Dodge that what I wanted to run there kits seem to be great from what I ahve heard and read but the other company I havent even heard of.

Maybe you havent heard because you are probably just a genral consumer that reads into advertising and not some crazy PBB addict or CTD addict that know all the details and dirt on companies and how they take care of their customers after their initial order..... The're are guys out there in Forum and BB land that eat, drink, and sleep this kind of shit. You not going to hear about this kind of info bt reading an ad in a magazine...This is really shit that happens to the real guys that come up with this shit have it be off road suspension or any other aspect of the auto indusrty.....The automotive aftermarket is a BOOMING marketplace and there is fortunes to thrive and fortunes lost.

Haha I must sound like a nut...but its late...

Like wobblewagon put...nice post by the way...its all how the company treats their customers and competitors....

[Baja_Mike]

Yes, I stayed at the same hotel and talked to the carli guys I don't even own a dodge. I just asked a question to the carli guys. Simple. Why are you such a cry baby.. Get a life and grow up. He said she said .....Maybe what you really need is some kleenex for all the tears

Cry baby? All I have done is bring into the light facts that most people didn't know about. If that hurts your feelings, I apologize for that. Maybe it is you that should grow up and not post false quotes on the message board. I am good friends with Sage. I was with him the whole time he was in San Felipe. He never said anything like what you posted here. Period. Maybe it is you that should get a life.

[rocknbronco]

Maybe you havent heard because you are probably just a genral consumer that reads into advertising and not some crazy PBB addict or CTD addict that know all the details and dirt on companies and how they take care of their customers after their initial order..... The're are guys out there in Forum and BB land that eat, drink, and sleep this kind of shit. You not going to hear about this kind of info bt reading an ad in a magazine...This is really shit that happens to the real guys that come up with this shit have it be off road suspension or any other aspect of the auto indusrty.....The automotive aftermarket is a BOOMING marketplace and there is fortunes to thrive and fortunes lost.

Haha I must sound like a nut...but its late...

Like wobblewagon put...nice post by the way...its all how the company treats their customers and competitors....
umm I kinda know the off road maket is booming as some of my shops customers like to haul or crawl or both like me.I know Kore and I like what they make for Dodges while I dont know the other company at all yeah I havent seen em in any of the major mags or the smaller ones like crawl for instance

[LORENZ]

Meet LORENZindustries

http://lorenzindustries.com/media_november.html

We haven't spent the $ in print advertising and our prices reflect the low overhead.

[rocknbronco]

Meet LORENZindustries

http://lorenzindustries.com/media_november.html

We haven't spent the $ in print advertising and our prices reflect the low overhead.
Pretty nice build ups on there I likes Bruces the best myself

[braxton357]

I still can't understand why people (at least those that post on this board) would spend close to 10k on suspension lift--with leaf springs no less... Maybe that's why the argument is mostly on the ctd sites? I mean, the carli extreme kit looks nice, but other than the machine work in the upper shock mounts and the shocks themselves...I can't see where all of that money is going.

[rocknbronco]

guess its a Mopar thing

[LORENZ]

Pretty nice build ups on there I likes Bruces the best myself

I like black on black myself. With the canvas top, Bruce's truck looks like a mean Military Machine. A 50 cal. would have a place rotating up top. I hear he has since put 37's on the beast.

Maybe I can egg him on to pirate, so he can tell you all about the project?...

http://lorenzindustries.com/buildup_bruce.html

http://lorenzindustries.com/support/buildup_header_bruce.jpg

[BigDan]

I still can't understand why people (at least those that post on this board) would spend close to 10k on suspension lift--with leaf springs no less... Maybe that's why the argument is mostly on the ctd sites? I mean, the carli extreme kit looks nice, but other than the machine work in the upper shock mounts and the shocks themselves...I can't see where all of that money is going.

X2

I know exactly what you mean. I guess it comes down to ease of function and everyday driveability.

I would love to see some bad ass long arm coilover stuff for CTD instead of wimpy 2.5-3" cheap factory style $10,000 systems. Ok that may result in the best ride but what about the cool factor?

The new PSD suspension has only been out for 2 years and already they have some trick 8"+ coilover systems. I dont get it, its like the CTD is the ugly stepchild of the aftermarket truck accesories. Yeah we have the cool engine parts but Ford and Chevy get all the cool bling items. Shit it wasnt until 3 years ago that they started to make at least some cool stuff.

I would like to see alot more imporvement in the long arm, coilover, stuff at reasonable prices for the CTD.

[Dirty Harry]

I would like to see alot more imporvement in the long arm, coilover, stuff at reasonable prices for the CTD.

Spirson Off Road makes a coilover system for the Dodge with King coilovers. No long arms but since you can fit 35s with a 3" lift I am not sure why you necessarily need long arms or are jealous of the Ford's 8" lift options. :confused: I would rather have a low lift with high quality, specially valved shocks.

http://spirsonoffroad.com/

[bob4x4]

I still can't understand why people (at least those that post on this board) would spend close to 10k on suspension lift--with leaf springs no less... Maybe that's why the argument is mostly on the ctd sites? I mean, the carli extreme kit looks nice, but other than the machine work in the upper shock mounts and the shocks themselves...I can't see where all of that money is going.

The Carli is not all that close to 10k:cool2: That being said come for a ride in my Carli equipped truck and you will understand what good suspension is capable of doing in a 4ton truck.
I have much less in suspension on my Jeep but that doesn't see any speed,just some gnarly trails.

Bob

[nriver]

thanks for teh complement on my truck. Im Bruce from Lorenz web site.

I will admit to changing the wheels out to a weld wheel with a little bit more offset. I had a bit more control arm rubbing than I liked with the 37s. I then did some fender adjustments to stop the rubbing. The powder coating needed to be re done and I got a deal on the weld wheels so i changed them out. I actually like the offset better now. I may get the new wheels powdercoated, but dont feel like the downtime and costs to change the tires around twice again.

In the pictures on Seans site, the black wheels have 37s. The stock color wheels have 35s.

And the Lorenz system has been working Great for me. I have had it on for about a year with no issues.

[rocknbronco]

thanks for teh complement on my truck. Im Bruce from Lorenz web site.

I will admit to changing the wheels out to a weld wheel with a little bit more offset. I had a bit more control arm rubbing than I liked with the 37s. I then did some fender adjustments to stop the rubbing. The powder coating needed to be re done and I got a deal on the weld wheels so i changed them out. I actually like the offset better now. I may get the new wheels powdercoated, but dont feel like the downtime and costs to change the tires around twice again.

In the pictures on Seans site, the black wheels have 37s. The stock color wheels have 35s.

And the Lorenz system has been working Great for me. I have had it on for about a year with no issues.
once again nice ride

[m016324]

Meet LORENZindustries

http://lorenzindustries.com/media_november.html

We haven't spent the $ in print advertising and our prices reflect the low overhead.

get a yellow star. There is information at the top of the forum about it.

I have followed these threads on TDR for a couple of years and can say that KORE does seem to have some shady business tactics and some dissatisfied customers, but they also have some satisfied customers. Like was said look at all of the kits not just the one that advertises and make your own decision. My decision was not to waste the money on my 4 ton truck and just use it as a tow rig. But if you are into fast desert driving in a full size these are some of the best kits for CTD

-ben

[nor cal yota]

Spirson Off Road makes a coilover system for the Dodge with King coilovers. No long arms but since you can fit 35s with a 3" lift I am not sure why you necessarily need long arms or are jealous of the Ford's 8" lift options. :confused: I would rather have a low lift with high quality, specially valved shocks.

http://spirsonoffroad.com/

there also coming out with a 6"-8" coilover in january, i believe.

[Baja_Mike]

there also coming out with a 6"-8" coilover in january, i believe.

There's a couple of things I don't really like about the Spirson kit.

First the whole weight of the truck is always on the upper shock mount. If you ever had a failure you wouldn't be able to limp home. The Kore and Carli kits if you ever had a shock mount failure you could limp the truck to where you need to.

Second, if you notice in their pictures they have a red bump stop that is like 3in. longer than the stock ones. It looks like they had to get rid of some of the up travel in order to fit their shocks. These trucks are top heavy enough, I don't think I would want the truck to have to sit any higher than they are.

These are my opinions and I am in no way bashing the product. It looks like they have a good quality product. But from a fabricator's point of view, those would be the things I would change.

[Dirty Harry]

Good feedback Mike. I have no affiliation with Spirson, I just saw their stuff at the SEMA show and thought that I would throw it out there as another option.

[Lance]

I am pretty sure that one of our advertisers here at P4x4 is in the process of developing a long arm Ram kit.

[WOBBLEWAGON]

Don Thuren at Thuren Industries on their web page notes he is coming out with a long arm kit. www.thurenfabrication.com . From what I have heard (Carli and Thuren) is that if you don't put a long arm kit on say a 4 inch lift plus, with that forward momentum and constant suspension opening and closing you will break or bend the arms or etc. You need to have the smaller degree of actual swing of the control arms to create less binding on the upward movement from the fully open positioned suspension.

....--------....................<<---Frames--->>.............--------------/
.........../.................................................. ........................_/
....../...................<<--- Upper Control--->>.................._/
../...................................Arms........... ................._/
.................................................. ............._/

Larger Degree Open......................................Smaller Degree Open
Short Arms.............................................. ......Long Arms
More upward stress.......................................Less upward stress
Hope this helps anyone. Hope these pics above kinda explain it and work. Imagine it without the periods.

[NMHunter]

ok, so i'm trying to decide between KORE's Unlimited Series suspension, or Carli's 3" suspension (essentially same thing, just doesn't have a "cool" name). if i'm lucky, someone will have ridden both and can compare... both are too expensive to just "pick one"... thoughts, comments??

The kore race kit I had could not handle the NW New Mexico desert. Had leaks on the shoxs, had to upgrade the front springs, had to revalve the shox a couple of times, and service was terrible. The wheel would jerk to one side when I hit a bump with the Fox steering dampener. Would also pull to the right had to let the psi down to keep it driving straight on the highway. Finally put the factory shock back on and the jerking went away. Rode nice on the highway so does the factory suspension. I was so tired of hit the bump stops constantly it was not like I was racing down every dirt road or jumping I was going down, heck this is my work truck for the oilfield. I need to take care of it since I also make money off this truck. Thats why I decided to fork out the coin for the kit. Anyways got sick of it & sold the whole kit. Also became a great Dodge front end guy, since I had it toren apart 7 times to work on shoxs or change out springs.
Ended up taking the money I got back from selling the kore kit & decided to pull the trigger on the Lorenz setup. Sean was a big help trying to get my kore setup to work like I wanted too. Especially on the revalving of the fox shox I had with the kore setup. So far with over 25,000 miles on the Lorenz setup it is holding up wonderfully. Now that everything is broke in I do need to tweek on the valving of the swayaway's front. No problem from Sean, called him up told him the way my truck was riding, that day he sent out the valving I needed. Sean is a class act very informative willing to talk with you & help a guy even if it is not his products.

Theres my 2 cents on my experiences

John

[ptgarcia]

I run a mixture of Don Thuren and Carli components on my '06 3500 Megacab 4x4. I have Don's King shocks, shock towers, coil springs and tracks bar; and Sage's leaf springs and sway bar end links. As soon as I can afford it I'll be adding Sage's steering stabilizer and control arms, also. And I couldn't be happier. I have talked to both guys and they are a perfect model of what customer service should be. Not only are their products superb they offer service to match. I have no direct experience with KORE but after phone calls to all the major players I decided on to go with Don's and Sage's products, and Sage and his boys did 1/2 the install of my system. As a matter of fact I'm writing this while wearing a Carli Suspension tee shirt!

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j179/ptgarcia/2006%20Dodge%20Megacab%203500%204x4/Rims%20Tires%20and%20Lights/P1010155.jpg

[stover]

Further proof that KORE suspension products are a good value:

KORE now uses the strongest rod ends $ can buy.http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/PR-Joints/index.html
I noticed these at Off Road Impact in Vegas last week.:D

I don't know about the aluminum control arms in that photo. I suspect they are something KORE's R&D department is testing out.

[ptgarcia]

Further proof that KORE suspension products are a good value:

KORE now uses the strongest rod ends $ can buy.http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/PR-Joints/index.html
I noticed these at Off Road Impact in Vegas last week.:D

I don't know about the aluminum control arms in that photo. I suspect they are something KORE's R&D department is testing out.

Those are definately beefy, but is there a problem with the old ones failing?

I'm not trying to bash KORE, because like I said I have zero experience with them, but that pic shows why a lot of people don't like KORE's progressive rate spring. The top coils look like they are touching each other, and the truck is at rest. The top couple coils look to be useless. If I'm wrong please correct me.

[Curious1]

Further proof that KORE suspension products are a good value:

KORE now uses the strongest rod ends $ can buy.http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/PR-Joints/index.html
I noticed these at Off Road Impact in Vegas last week.:D

I don't know about the aluminum control arms in that photo. I suspect they are something KORE's R&D department is testing out.


Hate to admit it, but all I noticed in KOREs booth is Kent's wife. She is gorgeous!! Other than that I'd go with Carli. This is not based on experience with there products, but based on Sage's and Kent's attitude when talking to them. I know some people will say this isn't a good enough reason, but it's my money and I'll give it to the guy that I like. Having said that, they are both great systems and I'm sure most of us could hardly tell the difference between the two. Just my $1.25 (.02 doesn't getcha anything these days!):flipoff2:

[stover]

Those are definately beefy, but is there a problem with the old ones failing?

I'm not trying to bash KORE, because like I said I have zero experience with them, but that pic shows why a lot of people don't like KORE's progressive rate spring. The top coils look like they are touching each other, and the truck is at rest. The top couple coils look to be useless. If I'm wrong please correct me.

No, no problem with failures as far as I know. Just Kroekers mad-man drive to have the very best product available. In all actuality I turned him on to Evolution's rod ends. I used them exclusivly on the Mega Titan.

As for the VR Coils; As I understand it the spring rate increases a whole bunch at the top of the spring to prevent bottoming out. Sort of like a built-in bump stop. The springs weigh a lot more than OE Springs.

My buddy installed these on his second Gen Ram. He claims they change the ride quality threefold. And in a good way. I plan to test a set out soon.
I've been told another name for this type of coil spring is a "droop spring", not sure why though.

Keep in mind a coil springs job is to transfer mechanical energy into heat. The more metal you use to do this the longer the spring will last without fatigue over harsh terrain. If you were to stretch out a stock coil spring so that it was a long flat piece of round stalk steel it might stretch 6-8 feet. A KORE VR Coil when stretched out would probably reach twice that distance. More Steel= increased durability and longevity. For another example of this look at a Deaver race leaf spring pack. There is a reason why they use so many individual leafs. They can exchange more movement into heat.

[stover]

Another reason I like KORE is because they continually improve the product line. Every time I talk to Kent he has some new technology up his sleeve. For instance; take a look at these new prototype pneumatic bump stops mounted on the front of KORE's Race truck. I shot this photo at Off Road Impact as well. The truck was parked in American Racing/ Weld's booth. This innovative new idea in bump stop technology will probably revolutionize the bump stop market. It involves a doughnut shaped bump stop mounted right to the shock.
Pure Genius in my opinion.

[Beat95YJ]

Kore should have used the RE joint.

Before you state that the Evolution Joint is the best/strongest on the market I would like to see some tensile load data at the least on it. I am fairly certain that a monoball or true heim is stronger. It kind of looks like you are sucking up to a product sponsor to me.

Do you have anymore pics of this "revolutionary" bumpstop. From your pic it does not look "revolutionary" to me. Please explain. It appears to be rubber (not a great bumpstop material) and bumpstops mounted to the shock are nothing new.

[NMHunter]

Correct me if I am wrong about the picture but does that bump stop shorten the wheel travel? Just looking at that picture it looks like it would only have 3 inches travel? Just wondering.

[stover]

Kore should have used the RE joint.

Before you state that the Evolution Joint is the best/strongest on the market I would like to see some tensile load data at the least on it. I am fairly certain that a monoball or true heim is stronger. It kind of looks like you are sucking up to a product sponsor to me.


Do you have anymore pics of theis "revolutionary" bumpstop. Fronm your pic it does not look "revolutionary" to me. Please explain. It appears to be rubber (not a great bumpstop material) and bumpstops mounted to the shock are nothing new.

Unfortunatly no I don't have any better pictures. However I assure you the unit pictured inside the spring was made of steel, not rubber. it features seals and moving parts. Very hard to get a good picture with an SLR Camera with a flash attached to it inside that wheel well. Sorry.

I'm sorry you think I sound like I'm sucking up to a product Sponsor. Obviously that isn't my intention. Evolution did hook me up with killer joints, but they were installed on a vehicle that belonged to Primedia, not me. So I have nothing to gain by promoting a rod end I feel is superior.

I copied this from Evolution's web site: (Regarding tensile load data)
Almost three years ago we sent out first generation evo joint to a lab to have a pull test done on it. Unfortunatly we weren't given any results because the joint stalled out the machine at 98 000 pounds of force. Other rod end sales people and rod end makers have called bullshit on this test. Why? because the shear point of a 3/4 inch grade 8 bolt is far less than that.
This testing was to find out out yield and tensile of our joint.
Yield strength, or the yield point, is defined in engineering and materials science as the stress at which a material begins to plastically deform. Prior to the yield point the material will deform elastically and will return to its original shape when the applied stress is removed. Once the yield point is passed some fraction of the deformation will be permanent and non-reversible. Knowledge of the yield point is vital when designing a component since it generally represents an upper limit to the load that can be applied. It is also important for the control of many materials production techniques such as forging, rolling, or pressing
In structural engineering, yield is the permanent plastic deformation of a structural member under stress. This is a soft failure mode which does not normally cause catastrophic failure unless it accelerates buckling.
Tensile strength measures the force required to pull something such as rope, wire, or a structural beam to the point where it breaks.
Explanation
The tensile strength of a material is the maximum amount of tensile stress that it can be subjected to before failure. The definition of failure can vary according to material type and design methodology. This is an important concept in engineering, especially in the fields of material science, mechanical engineering and structural engineering.
There are three typical definitions of tensile strength:
Yield strength - The stress a material can withstand without permanent deformation. This is not a sharply defined point. Yield strength is the stress which will cause a permanent deformation of 0.2% of the original dimension.
Ultimate strength - The maximum stress a material can withstand.
Breaking strength - The stress coordinate on the stress-strain curve at the point of rupture.
ultimate tensile strength. After a period of necking, the material will rupture and the stored elastic energy is released as noise and heat. The stress on the material at the time of rupture is known as the breaking stress.
The shear point of a 3/4 inch grade 8 bolt is 40 203 lbs
The shear point of a 3/4 inch grade 5 bolt is 33 135 lbs
How did we stall the pull test at 98 000 pounds? Chris simply made a large diameter pin with a ball surface that replaced our normal ball with a hole in it. The pin measured 1 1/2 inches in diameter and it was made out of 4140. It has a shear point of around 160 000 lbs . We've also been told the threads would fail on the shank but this was over come with a hydraulic clamp that pinched the shank with enough force tha it squished 1 1/4 inch chromoly.


When a RE Joint fails the material surrounding the bolt where it is tig-welded to the body of the Joint lets loose. I believe this is caused by the heat of the tig weld. I’ve seen this happen. The Evo. Joints are milled from a solid chunk of billet steel. No welds to worry about.

[stover]

[QUOTE=Beat95YJ;6389714]Kore should have used the RE joint.QUOTE]

They did use RE Joints on all their control arms. That is until I showed the Evo Joint to Kent.

[stover]

Correct me if I am wrong about the picture but does that bump stop shorten the wheel travel? Just looking at that picture it looks like it would only have 3 inches travel? Just wondering.

I believe you're correct.
Ever test out air bumps?
I'd give up 3 inches any day for the benifits of secondary suspension when it comes to going fast in the desert.
Just my opinion.

[Beat95YJ]

Unfortunatly no I don't have any better pictures. However I assure you the unit pictured inside the spring was made of steel, not rubber. it features seals and moving parts. Very hard to get a good picture with an SLR Camera with a flash attached to it inside that wheel well. Sorry.

I'm sorry you think I sound like I'm sucking up to a product Sponsor. Obviously that isn't my intention. Evolution did hook me up with killer joints, but they were installed on a vehicle that belonged to Primedia, not me. So I have nothing to gain by promoting a rod end I feel is superior.


Terribly sorry if I wrongly accused you of ass kissing.

I would like more info on the bumpstop as it becomes available. Please post up.

Btw I like the fact that the KORE tow rig is a GM product, saw it at Laughlin. Ironic.

[stover]

I also like the fact that KORE has strategic alliances with other industry leaders such as Weld Wheels, Fox Shox, & Baja Designs. Has anyone else ever seen high-powered LED technology anywhere else? A KORE Race vehicle was the only rig to evaluate these prototype lights at the Baja 1000 in 2006.

[stover]

Kroeker also helped Weld Racing develop this new Racing Bead-lock wheel.
I know this because Kent gave me the very first prototypes Weld sent him.
Kent understands desert racing and what is required to survive Baja. Others tap his knowledge regularly.

[stover]

My truck;

[stover]

I would like more info on the bumpstop as it becomes available. Please post up.

Btw I like the fact that the KORE tow rig is a GM product, saw it at Laughlin. Ironic.

Will do once I get more info.

I believe the truck at Laughlin was a Kore Sponsored rig owned by one of his distributers;http://worthingtonoffroad.com/
Kent dosn't own a actual tow rig, he actually drives his race truck to and from the shows/races.

[Curious1]

I also like the fact that KORE has strategic alliances with other industry leaders such as Weld Wheels, Fox Shox, & Baja Designs. Has anyone else ever seen high-powered LED technology anywhere else? A KORE Race vehicle was the only rig to evaluate these prototype lights at the Baja 1000 in 2006.

Yes, cause no other off-road team does that! :shaking:

Are you the new KORE advertising rep.? You sure do seem to have quite a bias for someone that writes for a supposedly unbiased form of media.

[Avanteone]

Hate to admit it, but all I noticed in KOREs booth is Kent's wife. She is gorgeous!!

Yeah I wasn't paying attention to much else, either.

And a word of advice, don't touch the heatsinks on those big square LED's. I did so while @ Offroad Impact and still have the burn on my finger ;) hahaha

John

[stover]

Yes, cause no other off-road team does that! :shaking:

Are you the new KORE advertising rep.? You sure do seem to have quite a bias for someone that writes for a supposedly unbiased form of media.

So you mean to tell me Donahoe dosn't run KC lights on their Stock Full Super Duty and provide feedback to KC for future development ideas?:confused:

Or how about Andy McMillen and Vision X Lights?

One of the reasons these companies support race teams is to help improve their product lines.

No, I'm an editor not an ad rep.
The only reason I'm sharing at this information with everyone is because early on in this post a few un-named members seemed to think I favored Kore over Carli simply because I'm friends with Kent. Allow me to clarify this. My intention is not to sound like an advertising rep, but rather defend the position of my decision.
As with anyone in the editorial business, I'm always going to be criticized for my choices. I'm used to it. At least I'll respond when someone corners me about it. Unlike some editors who simply creep around the boards under a false name and observe without posting.

Keep in mind KORE doesn’t run ads in Four Wheeler. They did at one time but found little to no return from them. His clients don't get their information from Magazines. Mostly they use the Internet. The TDR is probably where the majority of KORE's customers come from. I didn't stop liking KORE products because he stopped advertising. The stuff works awesome. Sure it's pricy, but so are Range Rovers. I like them too. I'll never own one, but I can provide others with insight and reasons why I like them. Can't I???? Or am I not entitled to an opinion because of my job?

I don't want to come off as bashing any one else’s product either, that's why in post #31 of this thread I said "Carli’s stuff works awesome off road."

I simply want to share what I know with my PBB family.:beer:

I believe compitition is good for the market place. If Carli didn't exist KORE's products might not have improved so much in the last year.

[Curious1]

So you mean to tell me Donahoe dosn't run KC lights on their Stock Full Super Duty and provide feedback to KC for future development ideas?:confused:

Or how about Andy McMillen and Vision X Lights?

One of the reasons these companies support race teams is to help improve their product lines.


I believe compitition is good for the market place. If Carli didn't exist KORE's products might not have improved so much in the last year.

I was being sarcastic!! It seemed like you were trying to say that KORE formed partnerships with other key companies and that no one else did this. Where in reality this is a VERY COMMON practice.

And should you're last lines say: "I believe competition is good for the market place. If Carli didn't exist KORE might not have products to improved"

Either way, I'm over this!

[bob4x4]

I believe you're correct.
Ever test out air bumps?
I'd give up 3 inches any day for the benifits of secondary suspension when it comes to going fast in the desert.
Just my opinion.

That is very interesting.....Kore gives up travel to add a bumpstop?
The Race system I had installed used oversize poly bumpstops to save the shock from bottoming on itself.That system damaged my frt housing on its first trip out to the dunes.I then went to Carli to have him add hydro bumps to try and salvage The Kore system for my sand play.When that wasn't enough I just had Sage install his kit.I now have a full 10" of travel that I was promised with the Kore but only able to acheive with The Carli kit.That travel is with the hydro bumps:laughing: Why is it better to give up travel on an already short 10 travel suspension? I have my bumps and travel........

Bob

[stover]

That is very interesting.....Kore gives up travel to add a bumpstop?
The Race system I had installed used oversize poly bumpstops to save the shock from bottoming on itself.That system damaged my frt housing on its first trip out to the dunes.I then went to Carli to have him add hydro bumps to try and salvage The Kore system for my sand play.When that wasn't enough I just had Sage install his kit.I now have a full 10" of travel that I was promised with the Kore but only able to acheive with The Carli kit.That travel is with the hydro bumps:laughing: Why is it better to give up travel on an already short 10 travel suspension? I have my bumps and travel........

Bob

I agree with you about not having to give up 3-inches if you don't have to. It would be much better to add external hydro bumps outside the coil springs. But most customers won't pay for the custom fabrication necessary to do that.
Check out what I had done in addition to my KORE suspension. Just like you said.
Not everyone can afford to burn their trucks warranty. Or some people simply want a simpler solution. The KORE prototypes I shot at Off Road Impact are not for you and I. They are for the guy who has a truck payment. Let me remind you these are simply a new concept KORE is testing out. They are not in production yet. They may not ever be. The point is Kent is thinking ahead, attempting to improve things for us Dodge guys. I like that approach because it keeps things moving in the right direction for everyone.

[LORENZ]

I agree bolt on is the way to go. Your bump set up looks like Rock Stars stuff? Have you since limited the front bumps to 2" of travel? Those 6" stroke bumps look like they may be resting on the axel pad at ride hieght.

[mudrebel360]

I believe you're correct.
Ever test out air bumps?
I'd give up 3 inches any day for the benifits of secondary suspension when it comes to going fast in the desert.
Just my opinion.

didn't know stock full could run secondary suspension?

[stover]

Correct, no air bumps for. Stock Full baja racers.

[stover]

I agree bolt on is the way to go. Your bump set up looks like Rock Stars stuff? Have you since limited the front bumps to 2" of travel? Those 6" stroke bumps look like they may be resting on the axel pad at ride hieght.

Yes, Chris at Rock Star did the fab work for me on the bump stops. No, they don't touch at ride height. I'll post pics in two weeks of the way Chris set these up for me. They're super bitchen.

[LORENZ]

Not trying to be nit picky, but I think your coil can exit the bucket at full droop. Easy fix, Safety over competive ribbing.

I'm looking at different ways to make hydro's a bolt on affair. I don't think it can be done up front without some welding.

[LORENZ]

http://www.funco-motorsports.com/Front%20end.jpg

Funco has had something similar on thier rails for 5yrs now, possibly more. The design isn't an "innovative new idea in bump stop technology [that] will probably revolutionize the bump stop market."

I'd like to discuss the design further w/o a pissing match. I'm of the opinion that it's more of a patch, rather than a good idea.

Here's the thing, I've debated posting this because I didn't want to potentially tick off an editor of a magazine that I hope to get some ink in... But, in all fairness, I'd like to see if you'd be fair to flaws, just as you have been to great product. Would you be up for a reasonable discussion?

[stover]

Sure, I would love to discuss this stuff. As soon as I get back from Chile, South America. Stay tunned for a response.

[Baja_Mike]

I just thought I'd share a couple pics of The Carli Suspension race truck that will be making its debut at the Baja 500. We've been working around the clock since the race program comes after our business hours.

http://www.thecarlisuspension.com/uploads/files1/DSC00011.JPG

http://www.thecarlisuspension.com/uploads/files1/DSC00016.JPG

http://www.thecarlisuspension.com/uploads/files1/DSC00013.JPG

[High Rollerz]

Carli's truck is looking good... Judging by the Fab work it looks like a Dodge version of DR's F250!! I'll be looking forward to racing against it!!

[DIRTSports]

I just thought I'd share a couple pics of The Carli Suspension race truck that will be making its debut at the Baja 500. We've been working around the clock since the race program comes after our business hours.

http://www.thecarlisuspension.com/uploads/files1/DSC00011.JPG

http://www.thecarlisuspension.com/uploads/files1/DSC00016.JPG

http://www.thecarlisuspension.com/uploads/files1/DSC00013.JPG

Looking good:smokin:

[WOBBLEWAGON]

Hey Baja Mike that thing looks great I cant wait for Sage's (Carli Suspension) Truck to debut. Hopefully that will show that there is an alternative to KORE's stuff.
I believe it was said earlier that without Carli Suspension KORE wouldn't be coming out with new stuff, but I haven't seen that much new stuff released in the past year. www.thecarlisuspension.com is releasing new cool products all the time and each one is even better than before. I hope to have a full lift on my truck be next 1000.
Are you all going to put those really uncool High Power LED Light on the from like the KORE Truck. When I mean uncool I mean hot and which draws a bunch more power and are unefficient. Compared to HID. Overall watts drawn converted to lumens. HID is far more efficient.
Tell Sage hello from the HID guys up at AE Lights in Oregon. www.aelight.com Let me know if you all want a HID personal Search Light for the rig. I will try to hook something up with my buddy for you all. Imagine a 3 cell mag light puts out 150 lumens with 500 ft. projection. AE Power Light HID puts out 1300 lumens at 3000+ feet of projection.

[LORENZ]

http://www.aelight.com/portable/powerlight_intro.html

Can you quote some prices on the 14w. It looks to be a bit more compact and lasts just as long.

[Baja_Mike]

Hey Baja Mike that thing looks great I cant wait for Sage's (Carli Suspension) Truck to debut. Hopefully that will show that there is an alternative to KORE's stuff.
I believe it was said earlier that without Carli Suspension KORE wouldn't be coming out with new stuff, but I haven't seen that much new stuff released in the past year. www.thecarlisuspension.com is releasing new cool products all the time and each one is even better than before. I hope to have a full lift on my truck be next 1000.
Are you all going to put those really uncool High Power LED Light on the from like the KORE Truck. When I mean uncool I mean hot and which draws a bunch more power and are unefficient. Compared to HID. Overall watts drawn converted to lumens. HID is far more efficient.
Tell Sage hello from the HID guys up at AE Lights in Oregon. www.aelight.com Let me know if you all want a HID personal Search Light for the rig. I will try to hook something up with my buddy for you all. Imagine a 3 cell mag light puts out 150 lumens with 500 ft. projection. AE Power Light HID puts out 1300 lumens at 3000+ feet of projection.

Thanks for the compliments I will definately let Sage know that you said hi and show him this post to let him know about the lights.

[Baja_Mike]

So here are a couple new pics from this weekend.

http://www.thecarlisuspension.com/uploads/files1/DSC00029.JPG

http://www.thecarlisuspension.com/uploads/files1/DSC00031.JPG

[braxton357]

You should start a separate build up thread here in the desert section with more pics. That's going to be one rad truck.

[LORENZ]

"Put your hands up, and slowly back away from the dimple die"

Clean work guys.

[mudrebel360]

whose dimple dies are you all using? looks good

[cmcgaw966]

I want to hear more about KORE from stover...









:flipoff2:

[moabtj]

Hey Baja Mike that thing looks great I cant wait for Sage's (Carli Suspension) Truck to debut. Hopefully that will show that there is an alternative to KORE's stuff.
I believe it was said earlier that without Carli Suspension KORE wouldn't be coming out with new stuff, but I haven't seen that much new stuff released in the past year. www.thecarlisuspension.com is releasing new cool products all the time and each one is even better than before. I hope to have a full lift on my truck be next 1000.
Are you all going to put those really uncool High Power LED Light on the from like the KORE Truck. When I mean uncool I mean hot and which draws a bunch more power and are unefficient. Compared to HID. Overall watts drawn converted to lumens. HID is far more efficient.
Tell Sage hello from the HID guys up at AE Lights in Oregon. www.aelight.com Let me know if you all want a HID personal Search Light for the rig. I will try to hook something up with my buddy for you all. Imagine a 3 cell mag light puts out 150 lumens with 500 ft. projection. AE Power Light HID puts out 1300 lumens at 3000+ feet of projection.

Yeah, But I'm sure it will be a trailer queen to the Ensenada, unlike KORE. He will be driving his truck from California.

[mudrebel360]

we drove ours a little ways toward california to break it in from tennessee lol:flipoff2:

[Baja_Mike]

Yeah, But I'm sure it will be a trailer queen to the Ensenada, unlike KORE. He will be driving his truck from California.

:shaking:

REAL race vehicles are trailered to their respective events. Not because they can't drive to the event but because they want to do everything they can to win the event. Why would you put extra miles on a race vehicle and screw up your chance of winning the race. I guess if you aren't going for the win, that's what you do. When was the last time you saw a Formula 1 car driving itself to a race because it didn't have a trailer to be towed on? In fact when was the last time you saw a trophy truck driving thru the border? Hmmm......let's look at the stock full winners, the Hummers do not drive down to the race. They are trailered.

[bob4x4]

we drove ours a little ways toward california to break it in from tennessee lol:flipoff2:
Maybe a little more trailer time would have improved your finish...............

Bob

[desertbull]

Bob---

I thought I saw your 2nd Gen truck at Carli on Saturday? But a closer look and it was MINE! Headed out to prerun from Sun-Tues, one 200-mile lap per day:D

Seems the boyz over there have created their own line of bumpers:D

Get in line...they're ten deep and counting!

Bob's Truck NOT (http://www.dirtnewz.com/dirtnewzracing/chase1.shtml)

[stover]

http://www.funco-motorsports.com/Front%20end.jpg

Funco has had something similar on thier rails for 5yrs now, possibly more. The design isn't an "innovative new idea in bump stop technology [that] will probably revolutionize the bump stop market."

I'd like to discuss the design further w/o a pissing match. I'm of the opinion that it's more of a patch, rather than a good idea.

Here's the thing, I've debated posting this because I didn't want to potentially tick off an editor of a magazine that I hope to get some ink in... But, in all fairness, I'd like to see if you'd be fair to flaws, just as you have been to great product. Would you be up for a reasonable discussion?

I get where you’re coming from Lorenz, however I don't believe one can compare the rubber bladder type air-bag /shocks Funco uses to the KORE hydraulic bump stops I was referring to. Sure, in concept they mount in a similar fashion, (around the shock shaft) but they don’t even come close to performing the same function. In my opinion the only 3 types of products out there that can be compared to these new prototypes are the following:
A. The cylindrical shaped elastomer member encircling the strut piston rod.
B. Light Racing’s new Patented Compact Jounce Shocks
&
C. Traditional pneumatic bump stops

That said, in my opinion Kore is on to a really good thing. Assuming they actually work

[stover]

I want to hear more about KORE from stover...
:flipoff2:
I'm back.
:D

[stover]

I just thought I'd share a couple pics of The Carli Suspension race truck that will be making its debut at the Baja 500. We've been working around the clock since the race program comes after our business hours.

http://www.thecarlisuspension.com/uploads/files1/DSC00011.JPG

http://www.thecarlisuspension.com/uploads/files1/DSC00016.JPG

http://www.thecarlisuspension.com/uploads/files1/DSC00013.JPG

Oh, I have an idea,
Build a Black Dodge Ram Stock Full race truck, Go down to Mexico, compete in the Baja 1000 race, make the podium, drag a magazine editor along with you, and drive it back to the USA and try to sell suspension systems based on the "Baja Proven" concept.
Because that hasn't been done before.:shaking:

Correct me if I'm wrong here but dosn't the SCORE rules for Stock Full require that the frame remain original or as equiped from the factory?

I wonder if this race truck is going to pass tech inspection?

[stover]

:shaking:

REAL race vehicles are trailered to their respective events. Not because they can't drive to the event but because they want to do everything they can to win the event. Why would you put extra miles on a race vehicle and screw up your chance of winning the race. I guess if you aren't going for the win, that's what you do. When was the last time you saw a Formula 1 car driving itself to a race because it didn't have a trailer to be towed on? In fact when was the last time you saw a trophy truck driving thru the border? Hmmm......let's look at the stock full winners, the Hummers do not drive down to the race. They are trailered.

I get your point but their is something very cool about a street legal race truck. That's what all the big $ trophy truck drivers all have at home: Prerunners, which typically have a licence plates on them.

Last year after the Parker 425 Robby Gordon drove the H3 from Parker, Arizona to southern California. Is that not cool in your opinion?
Correction, he drove it to his home in Parker from the finish line.

[ShaggyDoo]

Correct me if I'm wrong here but dosn't the SCORE rules for Stock Full require that the frame remain original or as equiped from the factory?

From the book:

"Chasis

Original Wheelbase must be maintained. Frames must retain original stock configuration. No lengthening or narrowing of frame is allowed. No removal of material is allowed."

"CR21 FUEL TANKS

Safety Fuel Cells are required.
Fuel Cell Location is optional. Fuel cell may be sunk into bed and Rear Frame Crossmember may be relocated, removed, or replaced in order to sink fuel cell. Only a minimum amount of material may be removed to sink fuel cells."

I'm not too race savvy, but that looks like a legal interpretation of the rules to me.

[Dirty Harry]

I get your point but their is something very cool about a street legal race truck.

The only thing cooler than driving your race truck on the street is actually winning the race.

[Baja_Mike]

Correct me if I'm wrong here but dosn't the SCORE rules for Stock Full require that the frame remain original or as equiped from the factory?

I wonder if this race truck is going to pass tech inspection?

Seems to me that you haven't really read the rules or you failed race truck building 101. Here's a little hint for you. SCORE rule book Stock Full CR 21 go read it and report back to us mere non magazine editors.

[Curious1]

Oh, I have an idea,
Build a Black Dodge Ram Stock Full race truck, Go down to Mexico, compete in the Baja 1000 race, make the podium, drag a magazine editor along with you, and drive it back to the USA and try to sell suspension systems based on the "Baja Proven" concept.
Because that hasn't been done before.:shaking:

Correct me if I'm wrong here but dosn't the SCORE rules for Stock Full require that the frame remain original or as equiped from the factory?

I wonder if this race truck is going to pass tech inspection?

Yeah, cause I'm sure they are only building this truck to take some editor to Mexico and race. They couldn't be doing it for the experience that is Baja, because it does relates to the advancement of there product, the advancement of there business, they are true enthusiasts, or a million of other reasons! :flipoff2:

Stover...You're an idiot. Just walk away before you convince everyone on this board to not buy your magazine.

-Edit- I felt I had to edit this so my gripe with Stover's comment would be clear.

[stover]

Yeah cause I'm sure they aren't doing it for the experience that is Baja or because it does relates to there business or a million of other reasons! :flipoff2:

Stover...You're an idiot. Just walk away before you convince everyone on this board to not buy your magazine.

Nobody on this board buys my book as it is. Four Wheeler is not after the hard core guys. We aim to please the masses.

[stover]

This is where I'm confused,

"Chasis

Original Wheelbase must be maintained. Frames must retain original stock configuration. No lengthening or narrowing of frame is allowed. No removal of material is allowed."

"CR21 FUEL TANKS

Safety Fuel Cells are required.
Fuel Cell Location is optional. Fuel cell may be sunk into bed and Rear Frame Crossmember may be relocated, removed, or replaced in order to sink fuel cell. Only a minimum amount of material may be removed to sink fuel cells."

[stover]

The only thing cooler than driving your race truck on the street is actually winning the race.

I agree, winning is very cool, however the rest of the year it's fun to have a street legal, bad ass rig to drive around in too.

[Baja_Mike]

This is where I'm confused,

"Chasis

Original Wheelbase must be maintained. Frames must retain original stock configuration. No lengthening or narrowing of frame is allowed. No removal of material is allowed."

"CR21 FUEL TANKS

Safety Fuel Cells are required.
Fuel Cell Location is optional. Fuel cell may be sunk into bed and Rear Frame Crossmember may be relocated, removed, or replaced in order to sink fuel cell. Only a minimum amount of material may be removed to sink fuel cells."

I think you need to go look at your daddy Kroeker's truck and you will see that the only crossmember removed is the rear spare tire mount which is where the fuel cell goes. Which you so expertly pointed out in your picture above. I mean fu**!! Get a clue man!!!!! :shaking:

[Beat95YJ]

="Chasis



In my rule book it is spelled "Chassis"


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[ShaggyDoo]

In my rule book it is spelled "Chassis"


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I have one of the rare unedited copies...



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[stover]

I think you need to go look at your daddy Kroeker's truck and you will see that the only crossmember removed is the rear spare tire mount which is where the fuel cell goes. Which you so expertly pointed out in your picture above. I mean fu**!! Get a clue man!!!!! :shaking:
I stand corrected, they didn't remove any crossmembers that would affect the trucks ability to pass SCORE tech. I made a misstake on that one. Sorry to get you all worked up mikey.
For the record I did start my first post on this topic with "correct me if I'm wrong".
Thanks for clearing the silt from my eyes.

[Curious1]

I think you need to go look at your daddy Kroeker's truck and you will see that the only crossmember removed is the rear spare tire mount which is where the fuel cell goes. Which you so expertly pointed out in your picture above. I mean fu**!! Get a clue man!!!!! :shaking:

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I just can't read this without laughing!!
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[DIRTSports]

I get your point but their is something very cool about a street legal race truck. That's what all the big $ trophy truck drivers all have at home: Prerunners, which typically have a licence plates on them.

Last year after the Parker 425 Robby Gordon drove the H3 from Parker, Arizona to southern California. Is that not cool in your opinion?




Robby's H3 is not titled street legal. No real CA plate (fake one) and he didn’t drive all the way back to SoCal, yes he drove it to his pad in Parker after the race, but not home or to the race. This was an urban legend he started that seemed to have worked on a few:D Windshield wipers and brake/taillights doesn’t make everything street legal. I'll let you in on a little secret; it's all tube frame with a fuel cell and no emissions.:D Most preruuners in this state (CA) start with a titled truck and cheat the reg system.

Hence Robby's' tickets a week before last years Dakar:) No real plate/ registration and no green stickers:) And yes his 4seat prerunner has a AZ plate on it....did'nt make a bit of differnece in Glamis:D


http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9239/robbieticketdc7.jpg
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/3057/robbyticketh3mn4.jpg

[WOBBLEWAGON]

I think that Stover needs to calm down and let everyone know that he he is really on Kroeker's payroll. I mean he is fighting hard for this guy. In my mind everyone is entitled to their own opinions but come on let it rest. Just because who ever doesn't have enough money to build a street legal race car doesn't drive it on the street doesn't mean that they don't make great products. Me personally I think that if they can go to Baja and race and promote themselves in any form or fashion is good. That is what keeps the racing alive and fun and people interested. Sure Kroeker is good at shmoozing with the magazine people but that doesn't mean that he builds a good product at a reasonable price. Remember these are all opinions. Don't get all huffy puffy. I am sure you have made more than one mistake in this and these forums. Just remember people, editors are influenced by how they are treated. Make your own opinions, read for fun.

[High Rollerz]

Cut the crap....let's race!!

[stover]

Lets clear up one thing here.
I don't ever get worked up about these posts.
The PBB is a very thin slice of the off road community. However it also happens to be my stomping grounds, since my early high school days in fact. So when I see a thread that I feel I can contribute to, I do.
Look guys, I've been personally attacked here. Has anyone seen me blow my lid and post up a bunch of :flipoff2:'s? No.
I have a lot more to lose than the average poster.
I'm simply keeping this thread up front so people will read it and become educated about the options for Dodge Ram trucks.
I'm not here to argue or play he said she said. I take pictures, listen to conversations and analyze data. Then, if I can contribute I try.
Peace guys.

By the way did anyone see Worthington Race the Baja 250?
here are two I shot.
check out the new 2nd shock he added up front.
He made the podium again, 3rd due to about a 2-hour time loss when his alternator stopped working.

[bob4x4]

check out the new 2nd shock he added up front.
He made the podium again, 3rd due to about a 2-hour time loss when his alternator stopped working.

Shoot,I have been trying to get Mike and Sage to fab me up a front bypass on my street truck but now I guess I won't be the first:laughing:

Congrats to The Worthing team on their finish

Bob

[rusty muffles]

500 will be put up or shut up time boys.save all your sh-- talking till you have actually succeeded.
reading this does make me giggle, stover has more knowledge in his little toe then most of you guys who feel you have to attack him for his opinion.
accept what he says as his opinion, to accuse him for being on the kore payroll just shows your ignorence.
stover just realize these are the same cast of children that post on any kore or carli thread, and they never seem to add anything positive.

and lastly its good to see the desertbull placing a post here and there,
seemed you feel off the face of the earth for a bit. welcome back.

looking forward to the debut of the carli race truck, good luck.
ps whats with giant