Bad Buyer Beware

[Lord Orange]

This guy:

Brenster16 said he will buy my 4runner. I delivered this truck for 700.00 Sunday evening. 3 hours, 150 miles later there is a problem.

Everything is listed in post, project car and so on. Pictures of before primer, so all bondo is seen. There is a fuel injector problem, I have the fuel injectors to replace it, so there is hard starts and check engine light on the high end (knock sensor code, which has been replace).

Registration is in the rear since 95. Since then the truck is off the books from DMV. I told him that when I registered my corolla (which hasn't been registered since 82), in that circumstance it was 200% of the regular registration (which turned out to be 90 dollars total).

So when I get there, I start to unload it, a third party comes out (he says it is his grandfather). The grandfather says, "We have been screwed before on the registration." He kept taking the buyer (Brent Morgan) away to tell him that I am here to screw him over. The grandfather wanted me to split cost of price of vehicle from registration. I asked the grandfather, "If I sold this 4runner for 700.00$ and DMV registration was 500.00$ your asking me to sell this truck for 200.00$?" He didn't reply, walked away with Brent, and proceeded to hammer the vehicle even more. I understand trying to get a good deal, but to ask to deliver, and bringing some guy out to hammer a already great deal is rediculous.

The deal didn't feel right, Brent wanted to hear it run, I cranked it over, but the old battery wasn't charged (the truck hadn't been ran in about 3 or 4 weeks). So I just packed it up and left. The grandfather offered gas money, but Brent said, "That he didn't have 100$." I told myself that he had money for buying this truck...hell with it.

In our PM's he said, he didn't have a trailer, but during our discussions, I found out they had one.

I even told them that I would come down another 100$ to help with registration, but that wasn't even good enough. I even put 10$ gas in the 4runner's tank for him also. Oh well.

I asked myself, why would I screw someone over, When I delivered? When I came down on price? When I am giving alot of extra parts? When I have the title?

Lesson learned, don't deliver without someone giving cash first. I will never deliver just on someone's word anymore.

I have this guys numbers I will not post them, you must PM me if you deal with this guy. I will say he lives in Penn Valley, his location on his profile says Grass Valley. This should be a reason not to let your son use the internet.

[brentster16]

dude, you had a couple missunderstandings, I wanted to buy the runner, i had the cash(still do) i dont have a trailer, dont know why he said we do, probably meant we can rent one, and you told me that the engine ran, the battery wasnt dead the motor just wouldnt start, if the battery was dead then it would keep cranking and cranking. also, you never told me that interest in the vehicle was realeased over 2.5 years ago and dmv requires that you go within 10 days. if you work at napa autoparts, you should know what a dead battery is. i was very serious about buying this, i wouldnt have been waiting with the cash, waisted my time with you, etc. youshouldnt have went off of something my gramps said, i was buying the runner, not him. and he wasnt asking to pay only 200 or 500 or what ever you said, i was gonna pay 700, do you understand what 700 is, i wasnt trying to get it cheaper, and if you notice, i was focused on trying to get the thing started so i could see it run and buy it. and it has been run within 3 weeks according to you because you told me it ran at the gas station yesterday, so i dont see why it wouldnt just start at my house.

[krb]

if the battery was dead then it would keep cranking and cranking.

Dude,you have a misunderstanding.A DEAD battery will not crank an engine!DEAD is DEAD.

[ProJunkRacing]

so he did not pay?

[brentster16]

the battery was not dead, it just kept cranking, and no i didnt pay, i wanted to, and he wouldnt even sell the runner to me after arguing with my gramps, he said he would take it to some one who wasnt gonna question him so much about it. i wasnt even the one who decided that i wasnt getting the runner, i still wanted to buy it when he was drivin off. so its not like i made him travel and then hammered the truck then not pay him, i still wanted to get it when he left. lord orange lives up to his name, he is the #1 duche bag, i should post about bad seller beware about him, but im not, it takes a bigger man to walk away and stop the fight, so if you wanna post about me some more lord orange, go ahead, most of us know u are a cocksucker anyways.

[brentster16]

Dude,you have a misunderstanding.A DEAD battery will not crank an engine!DEAD is DEAD.

really...that was my point! dead is dead, it wont keep cranking and his battery in the 4runner just kept cranking, so it wasnt a dead battery. those autoparts store people dont know wtf they are talking about. im pretty sure that i went to school for automotive, last time i checked, wyotech was an automotive school, right? and 49er rop automotive services passed with an A so im pretty sure i can tell a dead battery.

[Lord Orange]

the battery was not dead, it just kept cranking, and no i didnt pay, i wanted to, and he wouldnt even sell the runner to me after arguing with my gramps, he said he would take it to some one who wasnt gonna question him so much about it. i wasnt even the one who decided that i wasnt getting the runner, i still wanted to buy it when he was drivin off. so its not like i made him travel and then hammered the truck then not pay him, i still wanted to get it when he left. lord orange lives up to his name, he is the #1 duche bag, i should post about bad seller beware about him, but im not, it takes a bigger man to walk away and stop the fight, so if you wanna post about me some more lord orange, go ahead, most of us know u are a cocksucker anyways.

Your funny,

Let me quote you, "So if the registration turns up to be alot your gonna reimburse me for the difference?" How is that not hammering? I even offered 100$ off... NOw 600$

lord orange lives up to his name, he is the #1 duche bag, i should post about bad seller beware about him, but im not, it takes a bigger man to walk away and stop the fight

I did walk away, I told you and your parental unit that I am holding my tongue, and I am holding back.

Take a minute step out of this transaction, and think about this. The vehicle was delivered, with extra parts, being sold with all new accesories, for really cheap, problem already diagnosed with vehicle, all the buyer has to do is do it.

Now on the sellers part, agreed the engine wouldn't fire right up, battery was delivered dead, that is the sellers fault. Other than that...what was the problem?

[Lord Orange]

really...that was my point! dead is dead, it wont keep cranking and his battery in the 4runner just kept cranking, so it wasnt a dead battery. those autoparts store people dont know wtf they are talking about. im pretty sure that i went to school for automotive, last time i checked, wyotech was an automotive school, right? and 49er rop automotive services passed with an A so im pretty sure i can tell a dead battery.


really...that was my point! dead is dead, it wont keep cranking and his battery in the 4runner just kept cranking, so it wasnt a dead battery.

Your right, hard starts are because of the 89 injectors in there, instead of the 88.

those autoparts store people dont know wtf they are talking about.

Generalizations, bring it. I am ASE certified, 10 yr tech. So it doesn't bother me. Have you tried to build a fuel curve for stand alone fuel systems management? Anyways I don't have to prove it to you. I answer tech questions here on the board.

im pretty sure that i went to school for automotive, last time i checked, wyotech was an automotive school, right? and 49er rop automotive services passed with an A so im pretty sure i can tell a dead battery.

This is the thing that really didn't make since, you told my friend and I that you really don't work on cars. I have been getting contridictory statements from you. That is why I walked away from you. Your a bad buyer, maybe your just young and haven't learned the ropes. Oh well, at least I will give you the benefit of the doubt, before I refer to name calling.

[BIG PERM]

Other than that...what was the problem?

Seller made reasonable offer via intraweb, buyer accepted....sounds like buyer did not clear purchase with grandfather....grandfather doesn't want work-in-progress on property, utilized opportunity to find any and every little reason why cheif liveswithgrandfather shouldn't purchase said unit....or....cheif liveswithgrandfather owed said individual money, didn't have the cash at the time, so found issue with purchase with said grandfather's help....

Ultimately, seller screwed over for time and gas money.....$700 is a good fawking deal for almost anything these days, so I can't imagine this not being a good deal....

Just a guess :flipoff2:

[Lord Orange]

Seller made reasonable offer via intraweb, buyer accepted....sounds like buyer did not clear purchase with grandfather....grandfather doesn't want work-in-progress on property, utilized opportunity to find any and every little reason why cheif liveswithgrandfather shouldn't purchase said unit....or....cheif liveswithgrandfather owed said individual money, didn't have the cash at the time, so found issue with purchase with said grandfather's help....

Ultimately, seller screwed over for time and gas money.....$700 is a good fawking deal for almost anything these days, so I can't imagine this not being a good deal....

Just a guess :flipoff2:

That is my take on this whole thing. Everything was all go until that grandfather guy came out and repeatively thinking I was screwing Brent. Maybe everyone can learn from this.

[brentster16]

i would be fuckin pissed if i delivered a car and buyer didnt buy, you wouldnt sell the fawkin thing to me when you got all pissed off and agro at my gramps, and thats pretty bad that a 10 yr tech cant diag a dead battery. but anyways, i gotta go to work and dont have time to argue and bicker right now, so ill respond later this eve/night. and i never said the runner was a good deal, i wanted to buy it! still when he was leavin, he wouldnt sell it to me after he was pissed at gramps, and i had and still have the cash, and i did clear it with gramps first.

[Tulsachokehold]

Lord Orange went above and beyond the reponcabilty of a seller. He brought the thing, 150 miles to you? Offered to knock a extra $100 off the price? Was giving extra parts with the vehicle?

Basicaly, he was giving the thing away. I cant blame him for getting pissed off and refusing to sell when he went that far out of his way to get the vehicle to the kid. Hell, i get frustrated when buyer wants me to go to the other side of town to bring something to him/her.

[SeaBass44]

unbelivable!

Lord Orange has always been a stand up guy, delt with him many times. last time a few weeks ago.

I want the runner, sold the trailer but had to loan out the $$$$$:(

give me a call and I'll see what I can do to buy this:)

[86Yota4.70]

Today, 08:20 AM #11
brentster16
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Grass Valley, CA
Posts: 101 i would be fuckin pissed if i delivered a car and buyer didnt buy, you wouldnt sell the fawkin thing to me when you got all pissed off and agro at my gramps, and thats pretty bad that a 10 yr tech cant diag a dead battery. but anyways, i gotta go to work and dont have time to argue and bicker right now, so ill respond later this eve/night. and i never said the runner was a good deal, i wanted to buy it! still when he was leavin, he wouldnt sell it to me after he was pissed at gramps, and i had and still have the cash, and i did clear it with gramps first.

Maybe they should teach techs how to talk at wyotech too....

[brentster16]

Dude,you have a misunderstanding.A DEAD battery will not crank an engine!DEAD is DEAD.
oh, yeah, and that was a typo, i meant a dead batt WOULDNT crank an engine.

[brentster16]

so what, i make mistakes typing. its called a typo. and the runner was a good deal, but, hell with it, im done arguing this fact whoever wants to think what they want to then go for it.

[stretchnutz]

Just my 2 cents, I dont know either of these guys. If I was buying a vehicle that I was told ran and it didnt for whatever reason, I might pass on it. Why instead of knocking off $100 didnt you go buy a battery for $50 and make it run.
As far as the reg., Brentster should have looked into that before agreeing to buy it. Now about the shit talking, if you thought Lord Orange was a jerk or whatever, why buy his rig in the first place. He's been on the board a long time and ive never read anything to belive that. I personally think the least you could have done is shake the mans hand and give him some gas money.

[rednck21]

im pretty sure that i went to school for automotive, last time i checked, wyotech was an automotive school, right?



that doesnt mean crap. i worked with a guy that went there for about a year and he didnt know sh!t. just because you went there, doesnt mean you know how to work on stuff:shaking:

[SeaBass44]

Just my 2 cents, I dont know either of these guys. If I was buying a vehicle that I was told ran and it didnt for whatever reason, I might pass on it. Why instead of knocking off $100 didnt you go buy a battery for $50 and make it run. As far as the reg., Brentster should have looked into that before agreeing to buy it. Now about the shit talking, if you thought Lord Orange was a jerk or whatever, why buy his rig in the first place. He's been on the board a long time and ive never read anything to belive that. I personally think the least you could have done is shake the mans hand and give him some gas money.

because the battery was fine.
has wrong injectors and wouldn't start for him:confused:

[Lord Orange]

Brent

I hope all is well. I want to start off saying that I do not mean to stir the pot, start shit, or talk bad about you, because I have every right to. I will be the bigger/better man here. I want to let you know that the battery is charged and the truck is running now. I am so tempted to post a video of it running and me giving you the DX sign (aka suck it). But I won't.

I have had 2 days to think about what has transpired between you and I. Even though the transaction was more between your grandfather and I. It seemed like I was caught in the middle between your grandfather and you. Please the next time you want to buy something make sure you clear it with your resident parental unit, so next time this won't happen.

I have no problem with your grandfather, matter of fact I repect him (you should always respect your elders, guess I was brought up different than you). After all he does have to put up with you. When he said, "You (Brent) give him 100$ for gas and his(Me) troubles." He went from a jerk who is fucking with my money to an alright guy.

You have given me some motivation, I will go to the bone yard and get the correct pigtails, soldier/heat shrink them on. Instead of just giving the truck away, I could get some more for it.....or I feel like just driving my truck through the 4runner......take it to pick n pull....donating it..... setting it on fire...I am just ranting on here, so I will quit.

I am glad that you have taught me a lesson, and I have hoped that you have learned a lesson. This only cost me 1 1/2 tank of diesel, next time you could get the wrong person and could cost you more. Everyone should know about you, because you made a mistake, and mistakes are ok as long as you don't make the same one twice. I don't think I will be delivering to anyone in the future that is a total stranger.

I hope you get what you want for Christmas, because in my eyes you have been a very bad person.

[Lord Orange]

unbelivable!

Lord Orange has always been a stand up guy, delt with him many times. last time a few weeks ago.

I want the runner, sold the trailer but had to loan out the $$$$$:(

give me a call and I'll see what I can do to buy this:)

Thanks Darren.

I was thinking while I was up there that I could of dropped it off...I was real close. I got to cool off first before I decide what to do with this truck.

[Lord Orange]

Lord Orange went above and beyond the reponcabilty of a seller. He brought the thing, 150 miles to you? Offered to knock a extra $100 off the price? Was giving extra parts with the vehicle?

Basicaly, he was giving the thing away. I cant blame him for getting pissed off and refusing to sell when he went that far out of his way to get the vehicle to the kid. Hell, i get frustrated when buyer wants me to go to the other side of town to bring something to him/her.


Thanks Tulsachokehold....It means alot to me. If you ever on the trail and your broke down, I would loan you my trail spares no questions asked.

[Lord Orange]

Just my 2 cents, I dont know either of these guys. If I was buying a vehicle that I was told ran and it didnt for whatever reason, I might pass on it. Why instead of knocking off $100 didnt you go buy a battery for $50 and make it run.
As far as the reg., Brentster should have looked into that before agreeing to buy it. Now about the shit talking, if you thought Lord Orange was a jerk or whatever, why buy his rig in the first place. He's been on the board a long time and ive never read anything to belive that. I personally think the least you could have done is shake the mans hand and give him some gas money.


Your right on the ball Stretch.....Thanks.

[Lord Orange]

If you have a red star, you can search the toy forum because I posted on the problem with the fuel injectors. That was a awhile ago.

[SeaBass44]

Thanks Darren.

I was thinking while I was up there that I could of dropped it off...I was real close. I got to cool off first before I decide what to do with this truck.


ya I'm strapped for cash anyway.:shaking:

your best bet is to go to DMV with all paperwork, & have them start the regerestion process, they will type it all up with what is owed, & what needs done, IE, smog, maybe turn in old plates, etc & you will have a record of exact $ needed.
that and get the correct injectors in it and an ignoter/coil and you got $1500+ rig with many options to sell or trade!:grinpimp:

[pmurf1]

Unless the thing was a complete rust bucket POS, what do you expect for $700, especially with spare parts? Hell you could part it out for at least that.You're also an ass for not giving up the $ for diesel for a guy who went out of his way to deliver for you. Lord Orange, you're stupid for not taking the $.

[brentster16]

Brent

I hope all is well. I want to start off saying that I do not mean to stir the pot, start shit, or talk bad about you, because I have every right to. I will be the bigger/better man here. I want to let you know that the battery is charged and the truck is running now. I am so tempted to post a video of it running and me giving you the DX sign (aka suck it). But I won't.

I have had 2 days to think about what has transpired between you and I. Even though the transaction was more between your grandfather and I. It seemed like I was caught in the middle between your grandfather and you. Please the next time you want to buy something make sure you clear it with your resident parental unit, so next time this won't happen.

I have no problem with your grandfather, matter of fact I repect him (you should always respect your elders, guess I was brought up different than you). After all he does have to put up with you. When he said, "You (Brent) give him 100$ for gas and his(Me) troubles." He went from a jerk who is fucking with my money to an alright guy.

You have given me some motivation, I will go to the bone yard and get the correct pigtails, soldier/heat shrink them on. Instead of just giving the truck away, I could get some more for it.....or I feel like just driving my truck through the 4runner......take it to pick n pull....donating it..... setting it on fire...I am just ranting on here, so I will quit.

I am glad that you have taught me a lesson, and I have hoped that you have learned a lesson. This only cost me 1 1/2 tank of diesel, next time you could get the wrong person and could cost you more. Everyone should know about you, because you made a mistake, and mistakes are ok as long as you don't make the same one twice. I don't think I will be delivering to anyone in the future that is a total stranger.

I hope you get what you want for Christmas, because in my eyes you have been a very bad person.

and i do respect my elders, just not you as you ARE talkin shit on the board about me, there was very exaderated(not sure on spelling) statements made, and i offered you fifty bucks for gas as you told me thats what it costed and you said "keep your gas money your done and you were gonna take it to fuckin picknpull for fuckin 50 bucks" and i dont want anything for xmas, im gonna get whats given to me which is prolly money to go back to school, and as for going to wyotech and knowing how to work on a car, i do know how to work/diag on cars, wyotech is prolly my SMALLEST automotive experience, i have built toyotas(sas, motor swaps, trans swaps, etc.), a samurai, which i converted to efi, did yota axles, set up my own ring/pinions, i do all the work on all of my cars and have NEVER paid a mechanic to work on my shit, so, i do know some about cars, i do have a lot to learn and so does everyone else in this world. and good for you that your runner runs now, maybe you can sell it for more and the difference could cover your loses on fuel. i would still buy this runner to this date, oh, and by the way, you didnt offer to knock off 100 bucks, you offered to "send me" 100 if the registration was "outrageous"
but whatever, im done on this thread, and dont see how anyone else couldnt be done either.

[brentster16]

Unless the thing was a complete rust bucket POS, what do you expect for $700, especially with spare parts? Hell you could part it out for at least that.You're also an ass for not giving up the $ for diesel for a guy who went out of his way to deliver for you. Lord Orange, you're stupid for not taking the $.

he wouldnt even take the gas money if i offered which i did and he said to keep it, so your a fuckin idiot for calling me an ass and not knowing wtf you are talkin bout mother fucker. and i DIDNT expect more for 700, i was quite happy with the price, and as far as i could tell, the runner wasnt a rust bucket pos, just a bondo bucket which aint that big o deal. and by the way, lord orange, i do apreciate you driving all that way, i would be pissed to if i was in your shoes, but i still wanted to buy the fuckin thing as i watched it dissapear down the road.

[Lord Orange]

Lord Orange, you're stupid for not taking the $.

It is the principle of the matter. Someone says they are going to buy it, then they don't.

[Lord Orange]

he wouldnt even take the gas money if i offered which i did and he said to keep it, so your a fuckin idiot for calling me an ass and not knowing wtf you are talkin bout mother fucker. .


It is called offending someone. I have something you supposedly wanted, then didn't want it, then you wanted it, then your grandfather didn't, then he did, you didn't, you both did, then you didn't, etc..... alittle excessive for someone (me) that doesn't even know you peoples?

Hint: when you offend someone your not going to get what you want.

and i DIDNT expect more for 700,

You wanted more from me because someone else fawked you over..doesn't mean that carries down to me.

i was quite happy with the price,

Just unhappy, with registration? Since when does price registration have to do with a purchase of an used car that hasn't been registered since 95? I mean if you knew it wasn't registered since 95, didn't you know that comes with the territory? Like playing rugby in a minefield and not expecting to step on a landmine.

Asking me to reinburse you for the difference on registration is absurde. Then your grandfather demanding that I tell him what registration would be is retarted. Then you seeing the title that the orginal owner signed and dated, then saying there is another problem is crazy. I don't think you or anyone in your family has stepped into a DMV in a long time. The last time that I paid 700$ in registration was when I bought my 98 Landcruiser.


lord orange, i do apreciate you driving all that way, i would be pissed to if i was in your shoes, but i still wanted to buy the fuckin thing as i watched it dissapear down the road.

Then shake a mans hand, give him gas money, don't take no as an answer (I told you no because you pissed me off), thank him for his time, and tell him to take his piece of shit elsewhere. That would have been an exceptable response. It is called Man UP.

For the record this is the first time I have sold a vehicle with a title and I have never had sooooooo much problems with it.

I even offered to leave the truck there with title while you figured all of it out. Remember...I went out on a very long thin limb. I even offered to just leave the title with you. I just needed this thing gone, I told you that.

[Lord Orange]

i offered you fifty bucks for gas as you told me thats what it costed and you said "keep your gas money your done and you were gonna take it to fuckin picknpull for fuckin 50 bucks"

Is is called an simile, and example. That night after dealing with you I would of dropped it off in a random parking lot with the title on the windshield. That is why I had to leave. You made me so mad, you offended me so bad, I was seeing red. I had to walk away from you.

If I happen to pass you on the trail, I would give you a beer, but don't ask for spare parts from me.

[slapnutz]

Brentster, I dont blame Orange for getting pissed and leaving. You allowed the situation to deteriorate from your end. IMHO, you should, at your own expense go to Orange's area, pay the full price and with a rental trailer bring the runner home - IF he accepts your offer and your willingness to make peace & do the right thing. Also, leave grandpa home.

[Backncardr]

Sounds logical.

[brentster16]

It is called offending someone. I have something you supposedly wanted, then didn't want it, then you wanted it, then your grandfather didn't, then he did, you didn't, you both did, then you didn't, etc..... alittle excessive for someone (me) that doesn't even know you peoples?

Hint: when you offend someone your not going to get what you want.



You wanted more from me because someone else fawked you over..doesn't mean that carries down to me.



Just unhappy, with registration? Since when does price registration have to do with a purchase of an used car that hasn't been registered since 95? I mean if you knew it wasn't registered since 95, didn't you know that comes with the territory? Like playing rugby in a minefield and not expecting to step on a landmine.

Asking me to reinburse you for the difference on registration is absurde. Then your grandfather demanding that I tell him what registration would be is retarted. Then you seeing the title that the orginal owner signed and dated, then saying there is another problem is crazy. I don't think you or anyone in your family has stepped into a DMV in a long time. The last time that I paid 700$ in registration was when I bought my 98 Landcruiser.




Then shake a mans hand, give him gas money, don't take no as an answer (I told you no because you pissed me off), thank him for his time, and tell him to take his piece of shit elsewhere. That would have been an exceptable response. It is called Man UP.

For the record this is the first time I have sold a vehicle with a title and I have never had sooooooo much problems with it.

I even offered to leave the truck there with title while you figured all of it out. Remember...I went out on a very long thin limb. I even offered to just leave the title with you. I just needed this thing gone, I told you that.

wow, where to start, i cant control what my gramps sais, i dont understand him a lot of the time, and dont ask me why he wanted to know exactly the registration amount, i was trying to ask you hella questions about the runner and you didnt even acknowledge the fact, and if i keep typing right now, you will type in response, and it will never end, so if possible, im ending this thread, if you post after this, i will not see the post as i just dont give a fuck, arguing over the internet and telling people our two sides of the story back and forth is homosexual, childish, and most importantly...a waiste of time that could go into my wheeler, fuckin my bitch, or eatin. get a fuckin life orange, you have like 10 responses/quotes every 1 that i have, you need to stay off the computer or quit waistin time at work on the computer and work.
later everyone who has the time to read this elementary school fight, now lets all shake hands and make up children. oh yeah, and if anyone wants to think i am a "bad buyer" then go for it, guaranteed i am actually pretty damn easy goin, and not such a bad buyer.

[brentster16]

oh yeah, and i almost forgot on the last response, i wasnt tryin to get more from ya cuz someone else fucked me over, i was just cautious not to make the same mistake as you said earlier one mistake is ok but the same one twice is not acceptable.

[krb]

Lord Orange,did you disclose the registration issue to the Master Mechanic from Wyotech before transport?

[snoop dogg]

Brent

I hope all is well. I want to start off saying that I do not mean to stir the pot, start shit, or talk bad about you, because I have every right to. I will be the bigger/better man here. I want to let you know that the battery is charged and the truck is running now. I am so tempted to post a video of it running and me giving you the DX sign (aka suck it). But I won't.

I have had 2 days to think about what has transpired between you and I. Even though the transaction was more between your grandfather and I. It seemed like I was caught in the middle between your grandfather and you. Please the next time you want to buy something make sure you clear it with your resident parental unit, so next time this won't happen.

I have no problem with your grandfather, matter of fact I repect him (you should always respect your elders, guess I was brought up different than you). After all he does have to put up with you. When he said, "You (Brent) give him 100$ for gas and his(Me) troubles." He went from a jerk who is fucking with my money to an alright guy.

You have given me some motivation, I will go to the bone yard and get the correct pigtails, soldier/heat shrink them on. Instead of just giving the truck away, I could get some more for it.....or I feel like just driving my truck through the 4runner......take it to pick n pull....donating it..... setting it on fire...I am just ranting on here, so I will quit.

I am glad that you have taught me a lesson, and I have hoped that you have learned a lesson. This only cost me 1 1/2 tank of diesel, next time you could get the wrong person and could cost you more. Everyone should know about you, because you made a mistake, and mistakes are ok as long as you don't make the same one twice. I don't think I will be delivering to anyone in the future that is a total stranger.

I hope you get what you want for Christmas, because in my eyes you have been a very bad person.

breathe in, breath out

okay...while, this was a bad transaction or lack there of

it seems it was a learning lesson for both parties, but enough with the draggin it out and the drama....i don't think he has been a very bad person, maybe irresponsible but nothing more.

[BIG PERM]

Brentster, I dont blame Orange for getting pissed and leaving. You allowed the situation to deteriorate from your end. IMHO, you should, at your own expense go to Orange's area, pay the full price and with a rental trailer bring the runner home - IF he accepts your offer and your willingness to make peace & do the right thing. Also, leave grandpa home.

X3, good idear...

[BRENTWADE]

I think you were done wrong Orange Juice I mean Lord Orange and you should mail him sum of this to wipe his ASS!!!

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6cc24b3127cce8fb27f8d6f9400000015108AYsmLJs1auQ

Sounds like a real teard to me.

[cactuscj]

well just bought the runner off of lord orange this last weekend and i have to report on what an awesome deal i got and am very pleased with the condition of the vehicle and all the extra's that came with it!
THANKS AGAIN MAN. PLEASURE DOING BUISNESS WITH YOU.

[SeaBass44]

well just bought the runner off of lord orange this last weekend and i have to report on what an awesome deal i got and am very pleased with the condition of the vehicle and all the extra's that came with it!
THANKS AGAIN MAN. PLEASURE DOING BUISNESS WITH YOU.



:confused: hey thx for not letting me know you were selling it again lord orange ..........you said you were keeping it, if you sold it you would let me know:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: fag:laughing:

[Lord Orange]

:confused: hey thx for not letting me know you were selling it again lord orange ..........you said you were keeping it, if you sold it you would let me know:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: fag:laughing:


Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. Did you paint your fence yet??? I want pics.:D

[claimjumper]

whew, glad thats over with, I just ran out of popcorn

[SeaBass44]

Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. Did you paint your fence yet??? I want pics.:D


not yet:D

think I will paint my tube bender cart and plasma and welding carts with that purple:smokin:

[Fo-runna]

Lord Orange,

I feel for you. It seems like there's something going around lately. I believe it's called "shittybuyeritus" and it's very contagious. I got the bendover last week by someone who was very sick with this disease. After making an offer over the phone on a vehicle I have for sale, which I accepted, apparently the potential buyer could only come to pick up his purchase in the morning on what was a workday for me. So in obliging this potential buyer I took the morning off to await this fine specimen of humanity's arrival. Needless to say after morning turned into afternoon and my repeated phonecalls went unanswered and unreturned I realized i'd just gotten the shaft.

I didn't mean to hijack your thread but I thought you'd like to know you're not the only one putting up with the B.S..

Rant off.

[biggin]

Ive had a couple of guys buy some axles from me that was a great deal. I met them near the interstate to save them some time aswell. When they get there they start picking them apart infront of me under their breath. They take the diff covers off and inspect everything and then start prying on the side of the carrier with a pry bar and spray some kind of penitrant on the diff. mind you, these had air lockers front and rear and the seals dont react to well to just anything sprayed on them. They seemed like they were trying to act like they knew what they were doing but had no clue. so I asked if i had misrepresented them in the add, and he said no. I said thats great because after you donig all that shit to the axles he would be buying them and I wouldnt garuntee them afterwards.

I think it is very disrespectfull to pick someone elses stuff apart in front of them. If it isnt what you expected tell them so and walk away.

[SeaBass44]

Ive had a couple of guys buy some axles from me that was a great deal. I met them near the interstate to save them some time aswell. When they get there they start picking them apart infront of me under their breath. They take the diff covers off and inspect everything and then start prying on the side of the carrier with a pry bar and spray some kind of penitrant on the diff. mind you, these had air lockers front and rear and the seals dont react to well to just anything sprayed on them. They seemed like they were trying to act like they knew what they were doing but had no clue. so I asked if i had misrepresented them in the add, and he said no. I said thats great because after you donig all that shit to the axles he would be buying them and I wouldnt garuntee them afterwards.

I think it is very disrespectfull to pick someone elses stuff apart in front of them. If it isnt what you expected tell them so and walk away.

sounds like you need to tell these guys upfront, DO NOT SPRAY SHIT IN THE AXLE OR YOU HAVE BOUGHT IT:D

I drove 2 hours 1 way once to buy a centered D44 rear, get there, see it is obviously offset, whip out the tape, yup 6"s to the passanger side, yes 6"s........& the gas tank is on pass side of the toyota p/u I wanted it for:shaking: guys shrugs his shoulders & says " I didn't notice":eek: NO WAY! wanted $100 offered it for $50..........he don't get it, it won't work, it's not what I drove 4 hours round trip for ........I ask for pics now:flipoff2:

[Fo-runna]

sounds like you need to tell these guys upfront, DO NOT SPRAY SHIT IN THE AXLE OR YOU HAVE BOUGHT IT:D

I drove 2 hours 1 way once to buy a centered D44 rear, get there, see it is obviously offset, whip out the tape, yup 6"s to the passanger side, yes 6"s........& the gas tank is on pass side of the toyota p/u I wanted it for:shaking: guys shrugs his shoulders & says " I didn't notice":eek: NO WAY! wanted $100 offered it for $50..........he don't get it, it won't work, it's not what I drove 4 hours round trip for ........I ask for pics now:flipoff2:

That's understandable when the stuff is misrepresented. I disclose everything to the point I've actually convinced people who were dead set on buying something from me that it wasn't a good idea for them to buy what I was selling. I don't want anyone accusing me of "Wenzelling" them. After I tell them all the negative first, then the positive, and then they say they "i'll give you this much" and I say "okay" I assume we've made a deal.

I've noticed an influx of high school kids on this site who have no idea what it costs to participate in this hobby. And, when you try to tell them, you get the finger for your troubles. I'm by no means an OG on this site but I know what it takes to build a quality rig that'll get you to the other end of the trail. It is true what they say, "You get what you pay for."

[Lord Orange]

Stupid buyers.....Oh well.

Just to let everyone know also, I sold it fo 600.00$ The exact price that was from this kid, minus the registration rebate that I offered. :)

[masterbeavis]

FYI, things that go unregistered for more than 6 years typically drop out of the DMV computer, unless there was a transfer that was never completed. NON op stays in forever. This is usefull to know if you buy something that does not have a title.

[moveaside]

This whole thing would have been better if he offered to throw in his dog "Maverick" like the gypsies in the movie "Snatch"
Do you like DAAGS!

Sorry for all your troubles man luck hasn't been on your side lately for wheeling and dealing.
Brandon

[scmountaintech]

Hi, I just joined and I'm glad to see people stand up and give they're two cents for the good guy. Looks like Lord Orange has the better reputation, Hope someone stands up for me if necessary. Any transactions can go bad, looks like a total misunderstanding, a lack of knowledge, and 300 miles out of the way. Good luck selling your Runner. I too am ASE Master Certified, going to school means nothing, passing the tests and getting the experience tells true skill.

[KCMav713]

I just started reading this thread, and can relate to both sides. I am a college student, and a few years back had to deal with a similar situation, except it was my dad. I told the seller I was going to buy a vehicle, depending on what my dad said after an inspection. It was not a finalized deal, and we ended up meeting halfway to check out the vehicle, and possibly complete the transfer. As I am talking to the owner, my dad starts prodding at the frame with a screw driver, to see how solid it is. he ends up knocking through a bondo patch the lenght of a football. The seller claims my dad damaged the vehicle, and now we had to pay for it. I declined, and walked away. You all may say we did the wrong thing by not paying for a vehicle that my dad "damaged", yet you should always inspect everything to make sure everything is straight.

Orange, I am not saying you were trying to sell a lemon, and you did a good thing to walk away.
Brent, you should always check every vehicle over with a fine-tooth comb before completing a transaction.
Biggin- I agree you should respect other things, yet you also need to inspect everything to make sure no one has messed with anything. As far as the spray, that was crossing the line. I do not think they were wrong to do a thorough inspection, just not in a way to damage the item.
I agree we should have a way to post warnings to others and let them know who scammers are.

[Kickin'Chicken]

I just started reading this thread, and can relate to both sides. I am a college student, and a few years back had to deal with a similar situation, except it was my dad. I told the seller I was going to buy a vehicle, depending on what my dad said after an inspection. It was not a finalized deal, and we ended up meeting halfway to check out the vehicle, and possibly complete the transfer. As I am talking to the owner, my dad starts prodding at the frame with a screw driver, to see how solid it is. he ends up knocking through a bondo patch the lenght of a football. The seller claims my dad damaged the vehicle, and now we had to pay for it. I declined, and walked away. You all may say we did the wrong thing by not paying for a vehicle that my dad "damaged", yet you should always inspect everything to make sure everything is straight.

Orange, I am not saying you were trying to sell a lemon, and you did a good thing to walk away.
Brent, you should always check every vehicle over with a fine-tooth comb before completing a transaction.
Biggin- I agree you should respect other things, yet you also need to inspect everything to make sure no one has messed with anything. As far as the spray, that was crossing the line. I do not think they were wrong to do a thorough inspection, just not in a way to damage the item.
I agree we should have a way to post warnings to others and let them know who scammers are.
I don't klnow why Brent has to be such a little shit about this. He was about to buy a $700 truck for fuhck's sake! What did he expect, a 10 year/ 100k mile warranty?