The only thing I know about it is that its an 8274 modified to be hydraulic assisted when the amps get at a certain level. Its on a heavily modified competition GWagon which the guy has 8 of...all the same. And they say money can't buy happiness...
http://www.darksiderz.co.uk/randd/winch/front.jpg
http://www.darksiderz.co.uk/randd/winch/side.jpg
http://www.darksiderz.co.uk/randd/winch/side1.jpg

Dayuuuuuuum! Talk about breaking the bank :nuke:

How is it even possible that a winch that size could cost $25,000? :confused:

And that looks fugly in there, too. Looks like somebody threw it though a shuttered closet door :D

get ouuuuuuut of here, man. 25k ma ass:rasta: :rasta:

Id give em tree fitty for it :flipoff2:

Free.99, my favorite price!

I bet it's more like 25,000 Germany Deutsche Marks ! That would be ~10-12K US dollars:D :D

There's also some other mods to it. The owner was very sketchy on giving out details but I did notice also that the spool is sectioned off so that on short pulls it pulls from the middle of the spool and then on the long pulls it switches to the line on the outer edges of the spool.

There is also an ampmeter that kicks in the hydraulic assist when the winch starts drawing a certain amount of amps. I'm sure there is some other trick stuff about it but I wasn't able to study it for long. As soon as they seen me taking pics, they clammed up.

I talked to a couple other peeps about it and they said all in all, design, modifications, fitment, was 17000 GBP which converts to approx $25k.

I'm not really interested in how much it cost...I just wanna know how it could be done for a lot less.

for 25 large, it better gimme a BJ and cook me breakfast!

For $25K it had better get out, slosh through knee deep mud and hook itself to a tree.

What the hell! There is no way that cost 25K to do. There was a 8274 converted to hydraulic a few years ago in fourwheeler...a sierra trek tech article.

The cable drum is also wider. There is a bronco on the web somewhere that I remember seeing this done too.

All in all its a very cool winch, but not worth 25K!!!!!!! I wonder what he runs it off of....PTO Pump or what?

later :jeep:

are winches that poorly engineered that they need 25k to modify so they work? What the hell is wrong with a normal electric, hydraulic, or PTO winch? I could maybe see spending 500 to make the ultimate winch, but any more than that is absurd.

-Steve

btw, there is NO WAY that thing cost 25k. You're telling me the parts and labor that went into that winch cost the same amount as building an Xterra?? wait, maybe that's a bad example
:rolleyes: :laughing::flipoff2:

-Steve

Sign me up, for 2. I have a sniper from Avalanche and I figure if I buy two that will put me over the hump for having the greatest machine ever. Cost does equal value right?

could buy a pto, electric and hydro for that much and mount all 3 up front

Originally posted by yjtj
could buy a pto, electric and hydro for that much and mount all 3 up front
Hell you could buy two 404 Mogs with Werner 40k PTO winches already mounted to them for $25k.

Here you go....

Buy an 8274 from warn, then get a commercial parts catalog and buy the hydraulic motor that you can get on there hydraulic comercial winch. The motors on those winch frames whould be roughly the same? Bolt that hydraulic motor on the 8274. I think that might work?

Then run the winch off a PTO hydraulic pump, with a snowplow style 12V override pump for when the motor won't run upside down. And a generator in the back on some kind of big swivel anti-roll cage to power the 12V pump .... I still haven't spent anywhere near 25K :D

later :jeep:

I would rather put $20K into building a good rig, then you don't need to rely on a $25K winch and put the $5000 into my pocket.


I have run some really harry trails, and have never needed more power than my 9000 Warn pulls for trail use. I can only think of one time I wanted more power and that was when I was trying to winch out a loaded 5 ton truck that had slid off the road and into a ditch. The old Warn just did not have the power to pull that one out.

25k is not totally out there if they had to do teh following:

1) have a custom hydraulic motor made

2) have a custom hydraulic pump made to supply the motor

(I am sure, some serious gpm rates are required to make it work well.)

Personally... I would just go with a milemarker (the new 2 speed type) while still slower than a 9500i or 8274 its close to the other electric winches. Find a hyrdaulic pump that runs off 12V that pulls less amps than an electric winch. Get the best of both worlds that way, probably for a lot less.

Well, and you have to think about gearing... big difference between electric motor and hydraulic motor gearing.

What I do not understand is why the guy is so hush-hush about the winch? It does not make sense to me other than he knowns he got thrown over a barrel and does not want to talk about it.

Does he have ties to Warn...there is that big sticker...? Maybe they are going to release an electro-hydrolic and dont want to let the cat out of the bag.

I think cats look swell in plastic bags too though. :skull:

Fawk that

maybe he's just not telling anyone anything about the winch cuz he's embarrassed that he acted like a dumbass and spend $25 grand on a 8274

after reading all your posts guys, i can only repeat what an old an wise guy i know said:-


Originally posted by the frog
get ouuuuuuut of here, man. 25k ma ass:rasta: :rasta:

:bounc: :bounce::bounce:

I call B.S.!


Just look at the bumper and tell me that guy would spend 25k on a winch. I think he ment $2,500. (but i have been know to be wrong from time to time)

I know maxidrive makes something similar.

I believe the figure quoted was 90ft/minute at 6000lbs of pull!

To get the full set up it was a few grand. PTO driven pump, custom high speed hydraulic motor etc.

From what I heard they were actually stripping out the gears in the 8274!

No "normal" hydraulic motor you can buy from warn or ramsey or whatever will give you that kind of speed and power. Personally I like PTO driven winches which can get close to that level of performance.

The reason that you see stuff like this is that in Europe (and in non rock crawl US) is a winch that can drag you more than a little ways and at a decent clip is a an asset, especially if you are competing in events like the transylvania trophey or the rainforest challenge etc. I don't do anything close to that and I can't make an electric winch last a year.

Ron

Originally posted by evilfij
I know maxidrive makes something similar.

I believe the figure quoted was 90ft/minute at 6000lbs of pull!

To get the full set up it was a few grand. PTO driven pump, custom high speed hydraulic motor etc.

From what I heard they were actually stripping out the gears in the 8274!

No "normal" hydraulic motor you can buy from warn or ramsey or whatever will give you that kind of speed and power. Personally I like PTO driven winches which can get close to that level of performance.

The reason that you see stuff like this is that in Europe (and in non rock crawl US) is a winch that can drag you more than a little ways and at a decent clip is a an asset, especially if you are competing in events like the transylvania trophey or the rainforest challenge etc. I don't do anything close to that and I can't make an electric winch last a year.

Ron

yeah... but show me a winch that can do that WITHOUT the engine running. half the time I ever get stuck.. the engine is dead and not startable in the position its in. (like water) If there was a solution better than warns electric winches, I'de be there.

Thats why you run a diesel with almost no electrics. :)

Also the guy behind you or infront of you that you are wheeling with is who you depend on to get you out when your engine dies.

To be honest though, when my engine is dead I normally don't think about using my winch.

Ron