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Pirate4x4.Com > Brand Specific Tech > Suzuki > 2" for exo-cage-Is it too big? PDA : 2" for exo-cage-Is it too big? nuttzack 05-09-2002, 01:08 AM I have been waiting to make my cage for a couple of weeks now awaiting the completion of my fenderwells, so that I would know exactly where to place the cage. Well, it seems that I have a problem now. Because the way I designed my fenderwells and because I am keeping the targa bar, I have no place to mount the main pilliar hoop and minimal room to mount anything for the rear part of my cage, that is without weekening the design. So, I have come to conclusion that an exo-cage is looking more suitable and appropriate. My question is this. Who thinks that 2" tube is too large(in other words will it look fuckin rediculous)for an exo? Lets see some pics of everyones exo's,please. poppycock 05-09-2002, 04:35 AM i did mine in 2" .120. after doing mine i'd never want anything else. billj 05-09-2002, 06:23 AM It prolly won´t look bad, but be forewarned that exo-cages can never be made as strong as ino-cages because you cannot triangulate the hoops... In other words, if you´re looking to RELY on your cage to eventually save you from being crushed, I´d advise you to reconsider an ino-cage design... scwafish 05-09-2002, 08:05 AM i did mine in 2" .120. after doing mine i'd never want anything else Alright lets see some pics from the ghetto skunk works....have the locals talked you into running Daytons yet? :flipoff2: yager 05-09-2002, 08:31 AM Originally posted by billj It prolly won´t look bad, but be forewarned that exo-cages can never be made as strong as ino-cages because you cannot triangulate the hoops... Why not? I'm doing an exo with as much triangulation as most basic internal cages ive seen. Maybe i am missing somthing....Please explain.... fwiw: Personally I have a 1/2 cab and have 2 forward down bars (along the seats that tie to the main hoop and under the floor boards. I can see your point IF you didn't make a blanket statement ("never"), as they can tend to mislead people... I see you are a newbie as I am but one thing I have noticed in my long time of lurking, that this board is the place where people make it happen, weather it appears to be possible or not... The only think seperating internal from external is some whimpy sheet metal that prolly in the way ... :flipoff2: l8r y'all -yag poppycock 05-09-2002, 12:14 PM Originally posted by scwafish have the locals talked you into running Daytons yet? :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: dumb 05-09-2002, 12:41 PM I'm doing an exo with as much triangulation as most basic internal cages ive seen. and Personally I have a 1/2 cab You've answered your own question of "Why not?" If you didn't have a 1/2 cab it wouldn't be possible since your spreaders (for the main hoop) would have to run through the body to triangulate properly). So techincally speaking it isn't an "exo" it's a hybrid, i.e. "ino-exo". Nit picky? Yes but I wouldn't want to confuse the newbies with false information. :flipoff2: 2" wouldn't be bad for an exo but it all depends on your design as to whether it looks :rainbow: or not. Dave aka shogunator UZI 9mm 05-09-2002, 02:10 PM Originally posted by dumb "....would have to run through the body to triangulate properly. So techincally speaking it isn't an "exo" it's a hybrid, i.e. "ino-exo". Dave aka shogunator 'struth! i was picturing in my mind one of those body piercing people mixed with a roll cage ala "the Fly" bahahahahahha:laughing: :laughing: fatkid 05-09-2002, 02:19 PM Originally posted by billj It prolly won´t look bad, but be forewarned that exo-cages can never be made as strong as ino-cages because you cannot triangulate the hoops... In other words, if you´re looking to RELY on your cage to eventually save you from being crushed, I´d advise you to reconsider an ino-cage design... Wrong... How many Exo's have you built?:rolleyes: grimbo 05-09-2002, 03:48 PM I made mine from 1.75" I haven't done the triangulation yet but it is plenty strong. You do need some sort of bracing at critical points of the cage. I have braced behind the cab in front of the screen and I'm going to put another across the top of the cab. Then some small triangles at the joins like circle track cars use. The main thing is keeping everything tight so it doesn't look stupid. http://www.suzuki-4wd-club.rockcrawler.com/members/images/progress/gjs-2.jpg http://www.suzuki-4wd-club.rockcrawler.com/members/images/progress/gjs-1.jpg http://www.suzuki-4wd-club.rockcrawler.com/trips/easter_2002/images/image17.jpg billj 05-10-2002, 06:54 AM Originally posted by fatkid Wrong... How many Exo's have you built?:rolleyes: None. But not cuz I don´t know how..:flipoff2: :flipoff2: I maintain what I said. You can NEVER (blanket statement) build a exo-cage to be a strong as an ino because you can´t triagulate the hoops. If you got bars going thru the inside (or what USED to be the inside), then it´s NOT an exo-cage... That doesn´t mean that an exo can´t be strong. Just not as strong as a ino... Flame away, I´m ready!!...:beer: :beer: :flipoff2: nuttzack 05-10-2002, 10:23 AM You can NEVER (blanket statement) build a exo-cage to be a strong as an ino because you can´t triagulate the hoops. If you got bars going thru the inside (or what USED to be the inside), then it´s NOT an exo-cage... I don't understand how it can't be as strong! Anyways, I am sure it will still be overkill for a 2400lb samurai! I don't care about opinions on strength or design, just if anyone thought it would look like shit or retarded cause most people seem to build their exo's out of smaller tube, like 1.5" Poppy let's see some pics of your exo, please? Oh yeah, what did you wind up doing for your steering? mudlite 05-10-2002, 11:29 AM Originally posted by billj None. But not cuz I don´t know how..:flipoff2: :flipoff2: I maintain what I said. You can NEVER (blanket statement) build a exo-cage to be a strong as an ino because you can´t triagulate the hoops. If you got bars going thru the inside (or what USED to be the inside), then it´s NOT an exo-cage... That doesn´t mean that an exo can´t be strong. Just not as strong as a ino... Flame away, I´m ready!!...:beer: :beer: :flipoff2: I agree with Bill here. Unless you are making a rig with no provision for a top and winshield, an innie is stronger than an outie. Outies also tend to get hooked on rocks and trees. But I think it boils down to personal tast. Both would be better than nothing.:flipoff2: Tin Bender 05-10-2002, 01:44 PM Here we go AGAIN......:rolleyes: (sound of knuckles crak'n) There is NO reason an Exo can't be AS strongh, if not stronger than an Int. cage... And like if Mud said, if "you hang up on stuff" YOU"VE design'd it :rainbow: ... A Sammy with an "Exo" is NO wider than most buggys and they have NO problems? What is a buggy if not one big Exo?? Cross brace your B hoop and gusset the corners and sit back and LAUGH at the Int. cage guys when you roll you junk and drive away!!.... billj 05-13-2002, 08:51 AM Originally posted by Tin Bender Here we go AGAIN......:rolleyes: (sound of knuckles crak'n) ............. snip Cross brace your B hoop and gusset the corners and sit back and LAUGH at the Int. cage guys when you roll you junk and drive away!!.... How do you cross brace the B hoop without going thru the inside of the vehicle???:confused: poppycock 05-13-2002, 11:36 AM on the sides, corners, and roof maybe :flipoff2: billj 05-13-2002, 11:52 AM Originally posted by poppycock on the sides, corners, and roof maybe :flipoff2: But that´s my point... If you lay the rig over on its side, the lack of triangulation in the transversal direction will make a roughly rectangular cage profile turn into a parallelogram...:eek: :flipoff2: yager 05-13-2002, 02:02 PM Originally posted by Tin Bender Here we go AGAIN......:rolleyes: (sound of knuckles crak'n) There is NO reason an Exo can't be AS strongh, if not stronger than an Int. cage... Yup... And like if Mud said, if "you hang up on stuff" YOU"VE design'd it :rainbow: ... Yup... A Sammy with an "Exo" is NO wider than most buggys and they have NO problems? What is a buggy if not one big Exo?? Yup... Whats the difference if i cut holes to pass tubes or remove sheetmetal. I think y'all are scear'd of the cuttin tools.... Cross brace your B hoop and gusset the corners and sit back and LAUGH at the Int. cage guys when you roll you junk and drive away!!.... BINGO !!!!!!! If ythe damn sheet metal wasnt thin as tin foil I dont think we'd even be having this conversation. But simple fact is I can see the windshield fram twist if i pull on it so unless you have it unbolt easily or have extras you need to look at exo option.... And as far as 2" vs 1.5" or what ever..... Do what you want... You the one that has to look at it.... Anything is better than nothing... -yag blind date lesson #347 "say no to biggens"

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