Alright, I've got my flame retardant suit on so...... I recently installed a dana 44 axle out of a wagoneer to correct some front end issues on my scout II , but stuck all the IH stuff back on the axle from the outer c's out to use my wheels, hubs .etc.. What I'm dealing with now is when I accellerate forward, the tires tip in at the bottom, reverse, tip in at the top. Axle is not moving, so, does the jeep axle not like my scout outers? I did not measure the ball joints, but the appeared to be the same as the ones in the jeep knuckles and seemed to fit just fine, but that seems to be the only place it could be moving from. Any thoughts.

dude that sounds scary..

Now how do you know it isn't just axle wrap?

How much are they "tipping" in. Sounds like ball joints to me. Jack up the front and check them out with your tires on.

Waggy C's and Scout C's are the same. You can swap the knuckles with no problems. Did you install your knuckles in the correct order? Torque bottom nut, torque the top sleeve, torque the top nut? Failure to to this can result in a balljoint not being seated properly in the taper.

Beyond that, I would check for loose stuff.

Waggy C's and Scout C's are the same. You can swap the knuckles with no problems. Did you install your knuckles in the correct order? Torque bottom nut, torque the top sleeve, torque the top nut? Failure to to this can result in a balljoint not being seated properly in the taper.

Beyond that, I would check for loose stuff.

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Be sure you assembled your stuff in the correct order and with the proper pre-load and then final torque...

Also You didn't mention if you turned the C's for caster correction or not...

OK, I'll plead my ignorance. I did not use a torque wrench assembling the axle, but it has not been driven on the street (nor will it be), This "tipping" is pretty noticable just doing driving test on my street. there is a "spot" between accellerating forward (tipped in, bottom) and accelerating in reverse (tipped in,top), where everything looks normal (duh). So it very well might be the assembly procedure (or lack of). Can one of you give me those torque settings (as the repair manual I own for the jeep does not have them) so i can set it properly? I know,another lazya$$ on the forum, but it really would help.Thanks.

I'd vote for loose wheel bearings and improperly setup ball joints - and a total disregard for your own saftey and those on the road around you.

I dont think its wheelbearings, as i have already rechecked them. balljoints sound more likely, but as was stated, this is not a street scout, I trailer it. The street in front of my garage (dead end)is only used so I can get an accurate look at things on a level ground. Safety is important to me as well.

Your missing the ribbing.


Jack the front of the truck up. Grab the top and bottom of the wheel/tire and see if you can get ANY movement. If you do, then get a friend to help you, have them do the same thing while you look and see WHAT is moving link it shouldn't.

Short of a major mechanical (i.e. suspension) problem, the only things I can think of are just as was mentioned, ball-joints or wheel bearings. Unless your steering is totally messed up.

Some thing's moving that shouldn't. And the only way to find it is going to be start tearing into it and looking.

I am too lazy to go check my books. A quick search this thread with numbers that look familiar:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131150

I'm was thinking real simple, lug nuts.

Whats up with front end issues? You seem to still have them.

And thanks for the lazy, Now I'm going to torque down my ball joints. But I'm still on blocks in the front:(

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Alright, I've got my flame retardant suit on so...... I recently installed a dana 44 axle out of a wagoneer to correct some front end issues on my scout II , but stuck all the IH stuff back on the axle from the outer c's out to use my wheels, hubs .etc.. What I'm dealing with now is when I accellerate forward, the tires tip in at the bottom, reverse, tip in at the top. Axle is not moving, so, does the jeep axle not like my scout outers? I did not measure the ball joints, but the appeared to be the same as the ones in the jeep knuckles and seemed to fit just fine, but that seems to be the only place it could be moving from. Any thoughts.


Sounds like ball joints to me also. One other thing. How did you make up for the 1" differences in spring spacing and width between the Waggy axle (32" wide, 2.5" springs) and the Scout II setup (31" wide, 2" springs)? Did you ignore it and crank down the u-bolts? Your problem could lie there if you did something sketchy.

One other area to look at is your spring bushings and shackles. You could certainly get some slop there. Also, what 'front end issues' did you 'correct' by installing the Wag axle? The only real diference between your SII housing and the Wag unit is increased caster (and the above mentioned spring measurements). If it's not a 'street rig' then the caster angle change wouldn't be worth the swap.

I'd vote for loose wheel bearings and improperly setup ball joints - and a total disregard for your own saftey and those on the road around you.
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Thanks for the info.No the waggy axle was not worth the time for the net results. But it did help out some so..... I added perchs in the correct scout area (soa) so the waggy axle is not binding there. I'll go back through the ball joint assembly and see if that doesn't correct matters. Thanks.

I'm wondering if the toe is off (and with possibly a jacked up caster angle combine with lower air preasure in the tires) and is making the tires crub and looks like they are tippin.

Otherwise what your describing can only be ball joints or wheel bearings.