It is a go. Thursday, July 11, 2002 .

Several of us have been tossing ideas around on the FOTR email list. I thought more input would help.

The greenies have used protest rally's to their benefit, so it was suggested that we could do the same thing to protest against land closures. I suggested that we pick a date this Summer, and converge on Senator Boxer's offices throught the state and hand over the signatures from the online petition to oppose more Wilderness Areas (http://www.petitiononline.com/boxer/petition.html). Boxer has offices in Washington, D.C., San Francisco, Sacramento, Los Angeles, San Diego, Fresno and San Bernadino. Since there are multiple locations, we should be able to get more people to participate without driving a bunch of hours. This could also help us gain more newspaper & TV coverage from multiple markets.

How many of you would give up a few hours to make it happen? Would it have to be on a weekend, or could it be on a weekday? Would any of you be willing to head up the effort for an area outside of Sacramento?

Thanks for the input.

Crowdog

I'm in.:flipoff2:

Me too.

How many of you would give up a few hours to make it happen? Would it have to be on a weekend, or could it be on a weekday? Would any of you be willing to head up the effort for an area outside of Sacramento?
Sacramento is handled, so I'm willing drive -- and it can be a weekday. I work so that I can 'wheel. With all the closure going on, skipping work to protect my primary priority, wheeling, makes a helluvalot of sense.

Randii

Sacramento Here I come.... as long as there is more than 5 of us:flipoff2:

Keep me updated Crow
mailto:Cornice@gbis.com

I might be able to do san diego. As far as dates I can it will depend on what kind of job I get. Not sure if I would be able to organize it though. Might be able to www.sdorc.com involved as well.

Matt

Depending on when it iz, and some personal stuff I am into, I would ber up for San Diego. Lets roll, dude

:D :D :usa: :usa:

Let us know when the dates are, im willing to go for Sac also!

The online petition ends on July 1, 2002, so maybe we could set something up for mid-July (thanks PSD :flipoff2:) .

Crowdog

I'll be there! I'll help in anyway I can if you need it Crowdog.

But it's funny you mention this, I have been thinking the same thing. Just not sure how to come out of the closet with it LOL. It could be very effective if we were to get the media coverage. But I would think that we NEED people like Crowdog, randii and yellowsub who can fawkin lay the smack down in a intelligent manner when the media shows up.

I've had another idea along the same lines, could be a little more controversal though. I'm sure you've all heard of the greenie anti motorized vehicle group called 'critical mass'? Their approach pisses people off, but it's effective. They'll pick the worst time possible to ride their bizzillion bikes down a major street or highway like the golden gate bridge at 5pm on a friday. :eek:

what ya think? street legal wheelers following all the trailer trash on their trailers? :flipoff2:

Fawkin bring it.....I'm down;)

Originally posted by Crowdog
The online petition ends on July 1, 2002, so maybe we could set something up for mid-june.

Crowdog


:scratchinghead:




:usa:

I'm in for as many as I can get to...


should we set them up all on the same day and same time (synchronized hand ins) or something...like for publicity....or just start south to north (or north to south) and deliver them in a set order over the couse of 2 days or something so whoever wants to can make a "journey" out of it can follow the "train" or something....just thinking outloud....


can we also turn in a letter asking for her resignation, I'll personally hand it to her :D



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Originally posted by Yellowsub1962


:scratchinghead:



When you set up an online petition, it needs a start & end date. I pulled July 1st out of the air.

Jon

Originally posted by Yellowsub1962
I'm in for as many as I can get to...


should we set them up all on the same day and same time (synchronized hand ins) or something...like for publicity....or just start south to north (or north to south) and deliver them in a set order over the couse of 2 days or something so whoever wants to can make a "journey" out of it can follow the "train" or something....just thinking outloud....


can we also turn in a letter asking for her resignation, I'll personally hand it to her :D



I had originally figured it would all occur on the same day at the same time. But the train idea might work.

Peter, why don't you start the resignation petition. I'll be the second one to sign it.

Jon

Lets do it:mad3:

I'm in. Jon, if you have a mailing list, put me on it. rockjeep@pacbell.net

Originally posted by Crowdog


When you set up an online petition, it needs a start & end date. I pulled July 1st out of the air.

Jon

Jon, I think Subby is confused because your petition ends in JULY, and you want to organize the event in JUNE. :p

p.s. - count me in for Sac-town!

Originally posted by Lance


Jon, I think Subby is confused because your petition ends in JULY, and you want to organize the event in JUNE. :p

p.s. - count me in for Sac-town!

I guess I'm not that smart after all.....

Mid July would make much more sense. I'll edit the post above.

Jon

Count me in for Sacramento and a couple of other's that I know that do not do pc's . Just an Idea to throw out there what about the State Capital? and then to the office's

Originally posted by twn44s
Count me in for Sacramento and a couple of other's that I know that do not do pc's . Just an Idea to throw out there what about the State Capital? and then to the office's

Good call. Circle the capitol a few times, then end up at Boxer's office. I like it.

Jon

Count me in for Fresno! Get a date set up so I can get the day off. I will get as many people together as possible.

I'm currently unemployed. I should be able to make the Sacto one assuming there isn't anything that I can't get out of going on.

Thanks Lance, thats what I was confused about....

I'll try to work on a resignation request by next week.... I'll need to put more thought into it, because right now I'm thinking along the lines of "You stupid socialist cunt get the fawk out of california and don't come back......" -- I'll have to modify that a bit I think ;)


god damn I'm gonna have one hell of a hang over in the morning :( :D

:usa:

lets set a date, rock hugger and twn44s are the ones that brought me into the wheeling world and so they will have me along there side to the end, thanks you guys

Cliff

We've been talking about alot of things. One thing we came up with is information. Instead of a bunch of dood's just standing around their rigs, we need maps showing how much land is actually going to be stolen. Talks on tread lightly. Statistics that are real instead of the ones the greens fabricate. Picutre books of cleanups and trail maintenance etc etc. Public involvement is key. Anything intellegent we can get in the media would be crucial.

Anyone wanting to put together a photo album, or make a map showing the areas in CA that are being stolen, now would be a good time to get awn that. I'm going to work on statistics. Thanks!

Here is a web page I've throw together to get this thing rolling. Please provide feedback.

Protest Rally (http://www.crowley-offroad.com/protest_rally.htm)

im there :smokin:

We need to quickly decide on weekday or weekend.

There has been some discussion that it would be more newsworthy if it is done on a weekday. If it is on a weekday, it is important that we have a good turnout, and that everyone brings the kids.

Please reply with which you can do.

Here's mine:
Weekday - Yes
Weekend - Yes

Jon

Either way, either day, I'll be there. Keeping trails open matters way more than anything else on my schedule, regardless of whether it is a convenient week-day.

Randii

Either way I will be there. Weekday or weekend works for me.

About 14 million acres in California, roughly 14 percent of its total land base, is already designated wilderness, off-limits to motorized vehicles, bicycles, horse-back riding, grazing, logging, mining, oil drilling and other forms of commercial development.

Boxer wants to add another 2.5 million acres to that!
:eek:

I'll be more than happy to to make a high speed run to Sac if you think the presence of "out-of state" people will help. After all, Boxer doesn't give a shit about us 'cause we don't vote for her. I'm sure I can get at least part of the the Georgetown side of the family to show up.

I know that some of the folks would have trouble getting out of work, etc. but a weekday protest would be a hell of a lot more effective in terms of media and public exposure.

Crowdog, with your permission, I'll put a link to the Protest Rally website on my site.

Originally posted by Rockcrusher
Crowdog, with your permission, I'll put a link to the Protest Rally website on my site.

That's what it is there for.

Looks like a good week will be July 8th thru the 13th, weekday or weekend it does not matter
When the day gets picked I will make up some Flyers to hand out.

Weekdays are better for me...

I grew up in Tuolumne Co most of my life! I signed your petition ...I wish I could do more but I live a distance away from Cali. now.

TJ Chick

Originally posted by GPN Family
I grew up in Tuolumne Co most of my life! I signed your petition ...I wish I could do more but I live a distance away from Cali. now.

TJ Chick

TJ Chick:

You can do more from anywhere in the country!

Send a letter to your Senators and Representative in Congress and tell them to oppose Senator Boxer's Wilderness Bill. This may affect California, any wilderness area designations go through US Congress.

You can also write the Tuolumne Co supervisors and tell them to oppose any new wilderness areas in their county.

Thanks,

Crowdog

BTT


Weekends and weekdays work for me. I can get time off work, because like Randii said - I work for money to use my truck, and if there's no place to use my truck, I have no reason to work, so a day off isn't a big deal....





:usa:

I am down. Weekends are better but, I could make anyday work.

:D:D:D

TOP!

Thursday, July 11 looks to be the winner. Mark your calendar's.

Jon

At each main location where a protest rally will occur, the following positions need to be filled:

Press/Media Leader - Make contacts with the media. Send out press release(s), etc. to get them hooked on covering the event. Coordinate with the media during the day of the event so they know who amongst us to interview. If we are successful at multiple locations, we need local leaders to coordinate press releases across the state.

Liaison Leader - Make contact with anyone we're going to meet (Doolittle, Boxer's office, State Capitol, Highway Patrol) and find out if we need any permits to gather, parade, etc. Also coordinate with any organizations/people that will be speaking at the event.

Facilities Leader - Scout out the proposed route and meeting area and coordinate any issues with regards to gathering on private property (parking lots, etc.). Also coordinate communications and scouting on the day of the event.

Participation Leader - We need to get the word out to clubs & shops (motorcycle, 4x4, etc.). Coordinate flyer with press/media leader.

This list is a "work in progress". I am sure that many other needs will arise. Please don't hesitate to make suggestions.

If you are interested in helping, please send me an email.

Jon

When the day gets picked I will make up some Flyers to hand out

If someone makes flyers and puts them here, I will print MANY and distribute and post them around here(shingle to pollock). What do we need to send to local papers ie the democrat and the bee to get more coverage???

Originally posted by Aggro


If someone makes flyers and puts them here, I will print MANY and distribute and post them around here(shingle to pollock). What do we need to send to local papers ie the democrat and the bee to get more coverage???

Aggro:

I will get some flyers going in the next week. Thanks for offering to distribute.

Del & I have been working on a press release (http://www.crowley-offroad.com/public_land_for_public_use_rally_press_release.htm ) that we can use to alert the media about the event. It is still under construction at this time, but take a look and provide feedback.

The other way to get the word out is via editorials. Send something in to oppose Boxer's plan, and mention the rally & petition. It's free....

Jon

I just made a quicky flyer in word, how can I post it here? crow, I will email it to you as I will be off work for a week starting tomorrow. I will send it home too. But I'd like it looked at before I print it and it gets distributed!!

Public Land for Public Use Protest Rally
Thursday, July 11, 2002

Do YOU enjoy recreating in the outdoors? If so please attend.

About 14 million acres in California, roughly 14 percent of its total land base, is already designated wilderness, off-limits to motorized vehicles, bicycles, horse-back riding, grazing, logging, mining, oil drilling and other forms of commercial development. Senator Barbra Boxer wants to add another 2.5 million acres to that! We're going to speak up and be heard.
Main event will be held in Sacramento, CA

Our Message
* Oppose Senator Boxer's Wilderness Bill *
* Reform the Endangered Species Act *
Support responsible multiple-use on public lands
Support BlueRibbon Coalition's Backcountry concept
Support Congressman Doolittle's 'Wilderness Study Area Release Act' (HR 4589)
We will depart for the Sacramento Capitol at 12:00 Noon sharp and proceed to circle the Capitol in a very slow manner. After circling the Capitol, we will drive to Senator Boxer's office to hand over the petition to oppose more Wilderness Area designations.
Wilderness Area designation excludes mechanical access, so this means if you rely on bicycles, horses, 4wd, or ANY mechanized means of travel, THIS AFFECTS YOU.
Please bring your family, Please sign the online petition here: http://www.petitiononline.com/boxer/petition.html and please go here for questions: http://www.crowley-offroad.com/protest_rally.htm

It loses alot in the transformation from word to here!! Flyers can be handed out and left at any outdoor activity store or gathering area. ie: bicycle shops, tack and feed stores, dirt bike retailers, sporting goods stores etc........

Originally posted by Aggro
Public Land for Public Use Protest Rally
Thursday, July 11, 2002

Do YOU enjoy recreating in the outdoors? If so please attend.

About 14 million acres in California, roughly 14 percent of its total land base, is already designated wilderness, off-limits to motorized vehicles, bicycles, horse-back riding, grazing, logging, mining, oil drilling and other forms of commercial development. Senator Barbra Boxer wants to add another 2.5 million acres to that! We're going to speak up and be heard.
Main event will be held in Sacramento, CA

Our Message
* Oppose Senator Boxer's Wilderness Bill *
* Reform the Endangered Species Act *
Support responsible multiple-use on public lands
Support BlueRibbon Coalition's Backcountry concept
Support Congressman Doolittle's 'Wilderness Study Area Release Act' (HR 4589)
We will depart for the Sacramento Capitol at 12:00 Noon sharp and proceed to circle the Capitol in a very slow manner. After circling the Capitol, we will drive to Senator Boxer's office to hand over the petition to oppose more Wilderness Area designations.
Wilderness Area designation excludes mechanical access, so this means if you rely on bicycles, horses, 4wd, or ANY mechanized means of travel, THIS AFFECTS YOU.
Please bring your family, Please sign the online petition here: http://www.petitiononline.com/boxer/petition.html and please go here for questions: http://www.crowley-offroad.com/protest_rally.htm

It loses alot in the transformation from word to here!! Flyers can be handed out and left at any outdoor activity store or gathering area. ie: bicycle shops, tack and feed stores, dirt bike retailers, sporting goods stores etc........

Looks good. Ship it.

Originally posted by Crowdog


Looks good. Ship it.

You cool with the emailed version...no copyright infringement?!

Originally posted by Aggro


You cool with the emailed version...no copyright infringement?!

Copyright. Who me? Someday I'll be tagged for all of the info I have on my site without permission......

If it helps our cause, us it, and beg for forgiveness later.:D

Jon

Damm Aggro your quick thanks for makeing up a flyer.

Jon I sent you an email so I can get a copy to print some and hand out

Originally posted by twn44s
Damm Aggro your quick thanks for makeing up a flyer.

Jon I sent you an email so I can get a copy to print some and hand out

Rusty,

You can use Aggro's for now. We can get fancy later. I'll go ahead an send it to you.

Jon

send one my way too....I'll tey to get a few in the local shops...


Who wants to help me out with the LA area???


:usa:

Originally posted by Yellowsub1962
send one my way too....I'll tey to get a few in the local shops...


Who wants to help me out with the LA area???


:usa:

Well there you are! Ive been waiting for your call all day, you should check out the Land Use area once and a while:flipoff2:

Im fired up bro and been doing some homework for the L.A. riot,,,um im mean protest:p Call me in the a.m. and lets coordinate. I will be your humble servant :D

Originally posted by Yellowsub1962
send one my way too....I'll try to get a few in the local shops...

Who wants to help me out with the LA area???



Peter,

It's on the way. Might want to wait a bit until we can get the LA protest nailed down a bit. Then modify the flyer for your area with meeting times, location, etc.

Jon

Count me in for sac. Ive thought this would be a good idea for a while now, so im glad you got it started.

count me in.

DRew

At each main location where a protest rally will occur, the following positions need to be filled. Right now, we REALLY need help at each location to scout out the area and propose meeting location and route (Facilities Leader).

Facilities Leader - Scout out the proposed route and meeting area and coordinate any issues with regards to gathering on private property (parking lots, etc.). Also coordinate communications and scouting on the day of the event.

Liaison Leader - Make contact with anyone we're going to meet (Doolittle, Boxer's office, State Capitol, Highway Patrol) and find out if we need any permits to gather, parade, etc. Also coordinate with any organizations/people that will be speaking at the event.

Participation Leader - We need to get the word out to clubs & shops (motorcycle, 4x4, etc.). Coordinate flyer with press/media leader.

Press/Media Leader - Make contacts with the media. Send out press release(s), etc. to get them hooked on covering the event. Coordinate with the media during the day of the event so they know who amongst us to interview. If we are successful at multiple locations, we need local leaders to coordinate press releases across the state.

This list is a "work in progress". I am sure that many other needs will arise. Please don't hesitate to make suggestions.

If you are interested in helping, please go to the Protest Rally forum (http://www.crowley-offroad.com/Snitz/default.asp?CAT_ID=3) and sign up.

Here is a list of Boxer's offices:
Washington Office:
Phone: (202) 224-3553
Fax: (415) 956-6701
112 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510-0505

Sacramento
Phone: (916) 448-2787
Fax: (916) 448-2563
Address:
501 I St., Ste. 7-600
Sacramento, CA 95814

San Francisco
Phone: (415) 403-0100
Fax: (415) 956-6701
Address:
1700 Montgomery St., #240
San Francisco, CA 94111

Los Angeles
Phone: (213) 894-5000
Fax: (213) 894-5012
Address:
312 N. Spring St., #1748
Los Angeles, CA 90012

San Diego
Phone: (619) 239-3884
Fax: (619) 239-5719
Address:
600 B St., Ste. 2240
San Diego, CA 92101

Fresno
Phone: (559) 497-5109
Fax: (559) 497-5111
Address:
1130 O St., Ste. 2450
Fresno, CA 93721

San Bernardino
Phone: (909) 888-8525
Fax: (909) 888-8613
Address:
201 N. E St., #210
San Bernardino, CA 92401

Please jump in and help out!

Originally posted by Ramstein


Well there you are! Ive been waiting for your call all day, you should check out the Land Use area once and a while:flipoff2:


When did we get a land use section?? ;)


some of us can't surf at work fawker....that and I was at a meeting in Irwindale for watershed BS....


but anyway -




Kevin and I are taking the joint lead on the LA rally... Kevin's done some footwork and we've got a couple of suggestions so far for places and such.... BUT WE WILL NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET.... It's put up or shut up time folks....all the links to Crowdogs site are in this thread and the L/U section. We will be doing most of the coordinating on that board, with updates in the LU section on this board...more info to come....

check out crowdog's board he dedicated to this rally
http://www.crowley-offroad.com/Snitz/default.asp?CAT_ID=3
Keep up the good work Jon!!


:usa:

Need some help for the Sacramento Public Land Protest Rally (http://www.crowley-offroad.com/protest_rally.htm):

Senator Boxer's office is
501 I St., Ste. 7-600
Sacramento, CA 95814

We need to determine a meeting location, and route for the event. Can someone volunteer to do some scouting of the area and make a proposal? We need a large parking lot near the Capitol to gather at 11AM on a Thursday.

Please check in if you are interested in helping out for the Sacramento Rally (http://www.crowley-offroad.com/Snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=670)

Thanks,

Jon

TOP


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Who's to going berdo I'm down with that.I would also like a copy of the flier I'll run some off.Let me know.e-mail me.(boyaoffrd@adelphia.com):usa: :usa:

Originally posted by cruisercrazy
Who's to going berdo I'm down with that.I would also like a copy of the flier I'll run some off.Let me know.e-mail me.(boyaoffrd@adelphia.com):usa: :usa:

Here's your San Bernadino connection:
http://www.crowley-offroad.com/Snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=669

Your email didn't work. You can download a flyer on the main Protest Rally page. URL is in my sig.

Jon

I'm down for the Sacto Rally, May even attempt to be the "CO" ordinator ...

TTT


:usa:

Please plan on attending this - its during your lunch break!

:usa: