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unixxx
12-10-2006, 12:27 PM
If I buy a used Snap-On torque wrench on eBay and it breaks, is it still covered under the Snap-On warranty?

frankenfab
12-10-2006, 12:40 PM
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speedo
12-10-2006, 12:42 PM
Snap-on torque wrenches aren't lifetime warranty they are 1 year. How old is this used torque wrench?

Gus

unixxx
12-10-2006, 01:01 PM
It's just a theoretical question. I need a 250ft*lbs torque wrench and am trying to decide on the brand. All manufacturers pretty much seem to have a 1 year or shorter warranty on their torque wrenches. Thanks for bolding that term in the warranty, I couldn't find it previously.

chris408
12-10-2006, 01:31 PM
Husky says lifetime. I already used the service once, as the ratchet in the head of the wrench went out.

KS Toy
12-10-2006, 07:32 PM
I say it depends on your dealer. The dealer in my area is a real ass hole and will not warranty anything. I just drop off my broken stuff at a shop that has a different dealer and it is replaced every time with out a problem.

NOODLES
12-10-2006, 07:43 PM
If I buy a used Snap-On torque wrench on eBay and it breaks, is it still covered under the Snap-On warranty?
yes. but if it is a click type they will send it in for calibration, unless it is broke then they will replace it. it is usually a transferable warranty thats why they are so expensive, other than the quality (which sometimes that isnt really there either).
btw if you have chrome snap on sockets, and they have marks like they are used with a impact, some snap on sales people will not warranty them. I have warrantied tools on a regular basis, that I never purchased myself, but may have gotten from friends, or second hand.

PTSchram
12-10-2006, 07:46 PM
While investigating whether or not I wanted to buy a Snap-On franchise, I learned quite a bit about the warranty I did not know before.

Snap-On only warrants their stuff is free from defects. If you wear it out or put a cheater on it, it ain't warranted.

But, if your tool man decides to replace it, it might just be on his dime and he might eat the cost of the replacement, hoping you will buy in the future.

The morale of this story? Treat your Snap-On man well and he might just return the favor!

PT

jymmiek
12-10-2006, 07:54 PM
Sorry for the hijack, but, does anybody know what kind of discount they give to students? Thanks.

MMiller
12-10-2006, 08:19 PM
If the ratchet mechanism fails, they will rebuild it, at least all the Snap on Dealers I've dealt with do. I've got 1/2" ratchets with marks on the handles from my pipe, and they will rebuild the mechanism everytime. They don't have too, and they don't do it but a couple times a year, so they don't have a problem.

If you buy from your Snap on man, and give him $20-30 a week or more, you can almost count on customer service like no other. This also depends souly on the attitude of the dealer. I've had excellent dealings with the 6 different Dealers in my 10 years of wrenching at 3 different shops.

When I went to tech school, they had a tool day once a year where everything in the "kit" was 60% off, all makes (Snap On, Mac, Matco, Napa, etc).......and when I was attending school they all offered tools to students at 20% of list price. You had to check on the Mac guy, because he wouldn't figure it in if you did not know the list price.

I bought the "kit" and then went out to the local Snap on man, he bought the top and bottom box from my "kit" at full list, and sold me a much larger tool box for 20% off. I was honest, he knew what was up, and I got a smokin' deal on a new big box that I have still today.

Michael

jymmiek
12-10-2006, 08:29 PM
That's good to know, I am starting automotive school next fall and I think i am going to buy the complete Snap-on set.

MMiller
12-10-2006, 08:59 PM
That's good to know, I am starting automotive school next fall and I think i am going to buy the complete Snap-on set.

FWIW, before I went to tool day, I was already working at a repair shop. I went to every tech and asked them "If you were going to buy a new set of tools today, what kind would it be?" Every tech in the shop said Snap on. Not because they were blind or brand loyal, it was the only tool dealer that showed up every week, and repaired tools, and had new tools on the truck. I live in rural Iowa, and this is a big deal, as the nearest Craftsman store was 20+ miles away, and Mac could not keep a salesman in our area. Now that I have a large majority of Snap on hand tools, I keep buying them because the area rep is good to deal with.

Michael

PTSchram
12-11-2006, 05:26 AM
That's good to know, I am starting automotive school next fall and I think i am going to buy the complete Snap-on set.

Snap-On has a flier just for this purpose. You are assigned a number of points. Each "Kit" has a given number of points. you can buy until you use up your points.
From what I have seen, you can expect up to 60% off list pricing, BUT, list pricing for Snap-On is just like everything else, nobody pays list price and your price probably depends on your relaitonship with your Snap-On man.

I used to be guaranteed to pay $30/week, now, I see my Snap-On man about once a month, but again, he knows I'm gonna pay him every month and I am treated accordingly (in fact, he never hard sells any tools, but he WILL NOT leave me alone to buy a franchise). the pricing and trade-in he is offering me on a new(er) box is infawkingcredible. If I get a job offer today, I'm buyin' a new box-woo hoo!

jymmiek
12-11-2006, 07:26 AM
I am a little confused by this. Are you saying, for example, if you spend $4000 that you get points worth a certain amount of money?

This is the set I was thinking of buying. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=65545&group_ID=2294&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

sha_ba_do_bang
12-11-2006, 08:12 AM
This is the set I was thinking of buying. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item....re&dir=catalog

I don't know what your planning on working on but that set is a US set, i didn't see any metric in there,( unless i'm mistaken)

Pretty much every car made after about 1990 is metric, so you use alot of metric, i have both but i hardly ever use SAE unless its an old somthing. You need metric stuff if your working in a dealership or somthing

Also i wouldn't drop 30 grand on some tools right off the bat, what if you don't like turning wrecnhes for every? You prolly wont' make much more than 30 grand you first year either

I see lots of kids spend 10 grand on a box and then don't have any tools, just buy tools as you need them, first buy all the basics and get a shitty used box for $100. Buy the tools progressively otherwise you'll be broke

And my snapon dealer is awesome, he will just replace about anything, last week i got a new ratchet because the chrome had come off of my old. He has also only had the franchise for like 4 months. But thats why i pay the high price for quality and a no questions ask tool replacement. He even replaces sockets and pliers that are just worn out. Thats why Snap on is the best

jymmiek
12-11-2006, 01:25 PM
That set has both standard and metric. I wouldn't buy an all standard kit especially since my main intrest in is Land Rovers. I already have cheap tool boxes and Craftsman tools, I just don't want to be using those everyday for a job. The main reason I would buy the biggest set to start with is because I can get a better discount from the start. If I waited and bought the tools as I needed them I would end up paying almost twice as much.

As for not wanting to be turning wrenches everyday... I love cars and always have, if I end up changing my mind later then I will still have a nice tool set for the weekends:flipoff2: .

Bolt Thrower
12-11-2006, 01:49 PM
If you're just starting in school, they will continue to give you the discount all throughout school and some dealers will even continue beyond that just to keep you loyal during a job placement. Of course, if he's giving you a great deal on that particular set (somewhere around 14k) then it's not too much of a punch to the wallet. Just be ready, because in a typical auto shop to never use 90% of what you bought; or to find your employer already owning most of them for general shop use.

Edit:
Sorry to continue derailing the thread

unixxx
12-11-2006, 01:59 PM
Thanks for the input guys. I can't afford to buy all Snap-On, but I'll probably replace anything that busts with it. The warranty seems great.

braxton357
12-11-2006, 02:15 PM
Thanks for the input guys. I can't afford to buy all Snap-On, but I'll probably replace anything that busts with it. The warranty seems great.

Not that I'm hating on snap on because they do make good tools...but how is that warranty "great"? Harbor freight and sears offer a much better warranty for far less. Seems like it relies on your tool guy and how much he expects to make off you in the future or how cool he is...

glfredrick
12-11-2006, 06:52 PM
While investigating whether or not I wanted to buy a Snap-On franchise, I learned quite a bit about the warranty I did not know before.

Snap-On only warrants their stuff is free from defects. If you wear it out or put a cheater on it, it ain't warranted.

But, if your tool man decides to replace it, it might just be on his dime and he might eat the cost of the replacement, hoping you will buy in the future.

The morale of this story? Treat your Snap-On man well and he might just return the favor!

PT

'Zactly... When I was a dealer, I warrantied everything, almost no matter what. (I had to make sure it was "broken" - which in some cases was tough to pull off!) I generally went by customer history. The dealers know who takes care of them, and they get taken care of in return! The guys that came on the truck week after week looking only to jew me down didn't get much for their efforts.

The markup on tools isn't at ALL what most guys in the shop think it is. My own tool bill on the truck (at my cost) ran me $100 a week. Most of the time the markup was between 20-30%. Slightly higher on electronics and tool boxes, but hardly ever on hand or air tools. Tool boxes were the only real place to wheel and deal. Electronics were locked into the computer, and you pay what you pay. No way to get the upgrades out of the computer unless you do! Other stuff you had some choice, but it cost you if you discounted, and in the end, it didn't help the customer or the dealer -- for a dealer that can't make enough to cover his costs ends up being gone -- or not able to order in replacement tools.

Torque wrenches are another animal though. The ratchet mechanism is a lifetime deal -- similar kits to the regular ratchet wrenches, no big deal and every dealer ought to take care of that end. The torque part gets sent in, and the dealer gets charged back if it is over a year old -- no way to get out of it, and the cost is generally between $50-100 a pop. Likely no way that any dealer is going to eat that kind of cost more than once -- and then only for a really good customer.

On the other hand, you can send that baby in forever, if need be. They'll just keep on tuning it up. Its unlikely that it will ever need much work though. They are very reliable. In close to 2 years on the truck, I only sent in one... Wish I could have said that about some other things.

glfredrick
12-11-2006, 07:08 PM
Not that I'm hating on snap on because they do make good tools...but how is that warranty "great"? Harbor freight and sears offer a much better warranty for far less. Seems like it relies on your tool guy and how much he expects to make off you in the future or how cool he is...

The main difference in Snap On tools and their warranty is how often you will end up using it. I mostly warrantied ratchet mechanisms and screwdriver blades. The other stuff just keeps on giving and working.

For a great customer (one of those $3-+ a week dudes, and you know who you are!) I'd replace an entire set of sockets just becasue they were worn out. For the slackers out there that cost me $10-$15 a stop, but never bought much, too bad... I had to make the first $10-$15 to cover the cost of stopping at their place before I could start making a profit, and at a whole lot of places, I never did, so there was no money to spend on the customer.

Oh, and everyone wants a fancy Snap On Calendar. Those things cost ME $10 a pop from Snap On. Same with those little pocket screwdrivers -- $250 for a tub full of them... Seems that the customers that wanted that stuff the most paid the least.

PT -- get a box while you can. I sure wish I did while I was on the truck. I got a couple of things, but never got a new box for myself. I'm kicking myself now. I'm back to stuffing everything double in my old box and it sucks.

BTW, boxes MAKE the technician, who works by the book, money. To better book time, you have to be able to work faster than hell. The only way to be able to do that is to have every tool right where you can touch it in a second. If you don't think it makes a difference, then you've never worked in a shop where the best tech makes triple the money of all the other dudes. I used to cash paychecks -- I've seen first hand what the dudes with the biggest boxes make compared to the cheap slackers. The cheaper they were with their tools, the less money they made. Happened all the time in almost every shop I called on (over 200 shops!).

Note that I'm no longer a dealer, so this is FYI stuff. I don't make any money from Snap On anymore, and I don't plan to, but I sure do love their tools and service. I had over 30K worth of stuff from my mechanicing days, and since working the truck, I've bumped that a tad... plus set up both of my kiddos with good stuff as well. Its made me a living, and both of them, also. BTW, they both tried the Crapsman route. That was a joke once they actually started working for real. You spend half your day drilling out stuff that you break off or round off because of the cheap crap tools.

There is a difference that you'll never understand until you put the tools in your hand and pull on them all day long -- day after day. I used to love to challenge customers to a "break test." Just bring your favorite tool out to the truck. We'd chuck something in the vise and have at it. If mine won, I sold them a new tool. If theirs won, I had to fix mine - no big deal. I'd trade in their broken junk and sell a new tool. I NEVER lost...