I guess I am a bad seller. [Archive] - Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board

tigger119634

01-01-2007, 11:05 PM

Here was my ad.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=536115

I started of by saying that I did not know anything about this thing. I got it on trade when I sold my jeep. The guy was $400 short and I said sure. I needed to get rid of the jeep so whatever. I have sold alot of stuff on here and if I maid a mistake I have always corrected. But this is a different story. I ended up selling the T-Maxx for $200 shipped, just to get rid of it. I do not have anything to start it witk let alone I dont know anything about gas RC cars. Everyone that emailed me I told them the same story. I disclosed everything that I knew that was wrong with it. Missing servo and servo savers. And would state again that I dont know anything about gas RC cars. He is stating that the motor is bad. I pulled the pull cord and it pulled out fine and recoiled with ease.

I have been doing some research on this thing and have concluded that I gave the guy almost $700 worth of stuff. (I attatched pics of everything that I sent, judge for your self)

Now he wants me to split the difference of a new motor with him. He said they start at around $250 from what I have found. That would be him getting $700 worth of stuff for $50.

Am I wrong, should I be labeled a bad seller? For something that I clearly stated I know notthing about. That is like saying sold as is. Every horror story that I read on hear is about someone that paid for something and was lied to or never paid for the item.

So I will let you guys be the judge. I beleive that everyone on here has at least been fair in this forum. I am not going to disclose who bought it yet but will if need be.

THANKS STEVE

LynchMob

01-01-2007, 11:23 PM

shit...tell him you'll by it back and auction it off on ebay for twice that.

I have a buddy into the RCs and that's a hell of a deal for $200 shipped.

tigger119634

01-01-2007, 11:28 PM

shit...tell him you'll by it back and auction it off on ebay for twice that.

I have a buddy into the RCs and that's a hell of a deal for $200 shipped.

That is what I thought. I am just starting to get into electirc crawlers so I new the small things, and now that I have done some reserch realize that I could have sold it for more even if I had known the motor was bad, which I didnt.

I feel that he could very well just sell it on EBAY himself and make the profit. Hell will cost more in time and money to ship it back, it was a heavy ass box when it was all packaged up.

mxr148

01-02-2007, 12:32 AM

A used item is a used item. I bet he knows he got a smokin deal and is just trying to screw you. I'd tell him to suck it!

tacoma73

01-02-2007, 02:58 AM

yep, fuck him. He can pound sand.

NothernAZxj

01-02-2007, 09:15 AM

A used item is a used item. I bet he knows he got a smokin deal and is just trying to screw you. I'd tell him to suck it!

yep the guy is a fawkin moron if he thinks he can weasel you outa a motor. He must figure stupid selling it for that ceap to begin with

Tim Florian

01-02-2007, 09:36 AM

The deal with selling stuff on Pirate that has worked for me to date, is that if both parties don't agree that the sale was o.k. You need to undo the deal. He gets his money back and you get the merchandise back. That is the only way I see you can settle this fairly.

NothernAZxj

01-02-2007, 09:54 AM

tigger119634

01-02-2007, 10:18 AM

Look I am not here to screw anyone. I would have disclosed the motor if I had known. Hell like was said earlyer if there is anything wrong with it. I tried to get ahold of the guy that gave it to me but he was moving out of state and I had his cell number and now it is disconected. So I cant ask him if there was anything wrong with it. I guess it is part my fault for not asking him the specs when I got it from him. The only specs that I got where the ones that I listed.

As for the only way this would be fair is by buying it back. If I buy it back it is not like I cant return it to the guy that I got it from. How is that fair? For me atleast. It is like buying a used car. They disclose everything that they now and sell as is, no warrenty. They dont take it back the next day when you have an electrical fire in it. Which has happened to me, so I know. I am not saying that I wont buy it back but I would like it to play out on PIRATE COURT a little while longer to get a little more feed back.

THANKS STEVE

orangefj45

01-02-2007, 11:06 AM

well, sounds like this is one of those unfortunate situations where you're stuck as the middle man.

fwiw, i have bought stuff from steve and he's always been honest and fair about what he sold to me. i have never been dis-appointed. bar none.

if i were you i would not consider myself a bad seller. if you have the $s to buy it back from him (have him pay the freight back and do not give him the $s until you have the truck in hand), then do so and try to sell it on here or on craigslist making sure that the buyer is aware of the bad engine situation. $200 is still a screaming deal.
if you don't have the $s right now, then tell him to find a comperable engine (that's right, comparable as in good used not new) on ebay and maybe offer to split the difference with him.

it's a tough situation. you did not disclose that the engine was bad cause you did'nt know. the buyer bought a used rig with NO WARRANTY. to tell you the truth, you could tell him to eat a bowl of dicks. it's really up to you.

what is wrong with the engine anyways? most of these engines can be rebuilt and the parts are normally easily available. ask me how i know........... maybe it's cause i workd at a hobby shop for many years?!:flipoff2:

79F250

01-02-2007, 03:34 PM

if you get it back from him. put me in line to buy it. At $200 that is a smoking deal.

Tim Florian

01-02-2007, 03:56 PM

It is like buying a used car. They disclose everything that they now and sell as is, no warrenty. They dont take it back the next day when you have an electrical fire in it. Which has happened to me, so I know. I am not saying that I wont buy it back but I would like it to play out on PIRATE COURT a little while longer to get a little more feed back.

THANKS STEVE

Well if I bought a used car and had it shipped to me, and it didn't run when it got here. The excuse of "I didn't know" sure as hell wouldn't fly. I'm not trying to bust you balls or to deem you a "bad seller" but look at it from the other side of the coin. If you were him would you want your money back?

On one hand if he didn't ask if it ran then he's an idiot. But the way the car looks in the pics I would expect the ad to say specifically that "Motor doesn't run" if there was a problem. By you not knowing if it ran or not you opened your self up to potential problems.

tigger119634

01-02-2007, 04:34 PM

[QUOTE=On one hand if he didn't ask if it ran then he's an idiot. But the way the car looks in the pics I would expect the ad to say specifically that "Motor doesn't run" if there was a problem. By you not knowing if it ran or not you opened your self up to potential problems.[/QUOTE]

He did ask if it ran and I said that I did not know due to the fact that I did not have the stuff to make it run. And please dont take this the wrong way but if I was to buy a car from some one in say florida and have it shipped to me and the guy says that he did not know anything about the car and had no way to start it. Say no keys, like I said that I had nothing to start it with, gas, glo plug starter thing (whatever it is called) plus whatever else it takes to start it. And I said thats cool I will give you $200 shipped instead of the $225+shipping and it arrived and it didnt work, I would not be mad due to the fact he had no clue. Its not his fault or mine, life happens. Would be different if he knew. As I did not. I guess I will say that it is my fault due to the fact that I always look at the goodside of people. I never blame another for something I chose to due.

You are the only one on here that says that I am wrong, and I am already marking myself as a BADSELLER. I dont really feel obligated to return the guys money, but like I said earlier I will leave it up to the PIRATE COURT.

tigger119634

01-02-2007, 04:44 PM

I hope that by putting a poll on this wont offend the mods But I think that it would be the most fair thing to due. Be judged by a court of my peirs. The poll will close on Friday. If you vote please post why you voted the way you did. There is already seven different people who have posted up. Will start counting the votes from now.

THANKS Steve

orangefj45

01-02-2007, 05:03 PM

fuck the poll and whatever goes along with it. if the guy's unhappy with it, the let the dude who replied on this thread buy it off him for the $200 and everybody can walk away from the situation without any hard feelings.

case closed!:flipoff2:

440-fide Ramcharger

01-02-2007, 05:20 PM

Tell him to pound sand. Screaming deal with no motor at all. :shaking:

martyman

01-02-2007, 05:24 PM

tell him to send it back for refund or shut up, welcome to online shopping!

martyman

01-02-2007, 05:25 PM

and i agree, that was a smokin deal!

tigger119634

01-02-2007, 05:35 PM

I am going to say it again, I am not here to rip someone off. Everyone who has bought from me knows that I am very fair. That is why I put the poll up. I feel that alot of people have been taken advantage of on the bad sellers section so I am giving everyone a chance to my decision for me through the poll. I am not saying it will be my final out come on this but it atleast makes everyone a part of it. On this section alot of people have been torn down to nothing. People just start jumping to conclusions with out hereing the story. That is why I posted myself up. I am not afraid of being labeled. Hell better people have done it.

tonka22

01-02-2007, 05:38 PM

shit buy it back and ill pay you the 225= shipping you where asking

NothernAZxj

01-02-2007, 05:42 PM

yep buy it back and sell it for 300.00 or more on ebay

AddictedOffroad

01-02-2007, 05:44 PM

Had a similar situation with a winch that I took in trade that I knew nothing about. I traded it for a built Toy 3rd member. The guy later pm'd me and told me that the motor or solenoids were bad. So, I sent the 3rd back to him and he sent the winch back to me. Turns out it was just a loose connection on the motor, so it would cut out under load. But, I made sure to make it right by giving him back what he gave me in a timely manner.

So, I would say give him his $200 back, and get your merchandise back. If he doesn't want to, then tell him to stick it.

burtv

01-02-2007, 05:45 PM

Its really up to you. You gave the person full disclosure. He bought it knowing that. If he wanted to be sure then he should have tried to start and run the motor before purchasing. You gave no warranty. The law says "Caveat Emptor", Buyer Beware. It is the resposibility of the buyer to satisfy themselves of the item before commitiing and purchasing an item, end of story.
If your ethics leaves you feeling bad, which you shouldn't, then you can give refund to him his money and recieve the car and ancillary items in return. But by no means should you even feel in the slighest that you have any obligation to share in the replacement of the motor. If you do that then shame on you!!!

Just to twist things a bit, how can you be 100% sure the motor that he wants you to help replace is even the same moter that was originally in the car when you sold it to him. Is the motor in that RC car the only one of that type ever made or extremely rare? lol Just twisting things a bit.

KWTMECH

01-02-2007, 06:19 PM

I wouldn't do a thing, sounds like you did nothing wrong to me. And according to the other responses to this thread he still got a smok'n deal with what you show in the pics.

deadandcompany

01-02-2007, 09:34 PM

yep, fuck him. He can pound sand.

Easily said, not being the one on my end:flipoff2:

Im not trying to weasle anyone, just felt the facts were left out.

Anyone who thinks its a smokin deal, Im happy to sell it to you for $200 shipped.

440-fide Ramcharger

01-02-2007, 10:37 PM

Easily said, not being the one on my end:flipoff2:

Im not trying to weasle anyone, just felt the facts were left out.

Anyone who thinks its a smokin deal, Im happy to sell it to you for $200 shipped.

I do not think you will have trouble selling it, but I guess it depends on the true condition. The same rules apply. Too lean Too long, Too bad. Ran incorrectly he *could* ruin a motor in a short time.

I have one already in the garage but I know the motor is bad. :flipoff2:
I have a lot more than $200 in it.

tigger119634

01-02-2007, 10:47 PM

Easily said, not being the one on my end:flipoff2:

Im not trying to weasle anyone, just felt the facts were left out.

Anyone who thinks its a smokin deal, Im happy to sell it to you for $200 shipped.

I was hoping that you saw this. Everyone this is the guy I guess I screwed. All I can say is that I am sorry. There seems like there are alot of people willing to buy it. Why not sell it and make a profit. From what I have seen on EBAY right now there are ones being sold without a motor in not as good of condition and not with all of the extras for more then $200.

Roxywheels

01-02-2007, 11:16 PM

Easily said, not being the one on my end:flipoff2:

Im not trying to weasle anyone, just felt the facts were left out.

Anyone who thinks its a smokin deal, Im happy to sell it to you for $200 shipped.

Then sell it and everything that was included in your original purchase to someone here that is saying they will buy it...then everyone is happy. :roxy:

packnrat

01-02-2007, 11:41 PM

the tires and rims go for about $100.00 a set.

and getting a almost complete Tmax with a number of sets of tires, well he is money ahead of the curve. and motors can be had from the factory for less then what was stated.

deadandcompany

01-02-2007, 11:46 PM

I was hoping that you saw this. Everyone this is the guy I guess I screwed.

The guy you guess you screwed?? Where do you come off. I purchased a RC truck from you which you claimed in your words "only needs a couple servo savers to run" And you're making me look like I'm pulling a scam. I did ask if it ran, and you gave no reply. Shame on me for buying it.

And you ask "why don't you sell it and make a profit"? PRETTY HONEST WORDS COMMING FROM A GUY THAT DIDN'T KNOW THE MOTOR WAS MISSING THE PISTON:rolleyes:

You wanna make things right? Give me my money back and you can sell the truck to someone else with a bad motor. Which NO ONE here, reguardless what was posted, is gonna buy it!!

bike guy

01-02-2007, 11:58 PM

fuck that split the diference BS. first off, how has it been established that the motor is no good? there's not much to em in the first place so how much can go wrong? if im not mistaken they are kind of like a 2 stroke and ususally if they turn over and have compression then all thats left is fuel and ignition. you were honest in your disclosure of the facts and definitely do not owe this guy a damn dime for a new motor.

to be MORE than fair you can have him take it to an authorized dealer to have them diagnose what the problem is and take it from there. in my mind that would be the best approach given the value to price ratio that you have given this guy. it could turn out that he is overlooking something very simple which should not be causing you this kind of grief especially since he is getting such an awesome deal.

it would be different if you sold this thing for 10% less than retail and advertised it as "runs great".

good luck!

tigger119634

01-03-2007, 12:03 AM

The guy you guess you screwed?? Where do you come off. I purchased a RC truck from you which you claimed in your words "only needs a couple servo savers to run" And you're making me look like I'm pulling a scam. I did ask if it ran, and you gave no reply. Shame on me for buying it.

And you ask "why don't you sell it and make a profit"? PRETTY HONEST WORDS COMMING FROM A GUY THAT DIDN'T KNOW THE MOTOR WAS MISSING THE PISTON:rolleyes:

You wanna make things right? Give me my money back and you can sell the truck to someone else with a bad motor. Which NO ONE here, reguardless what was posted, is gonna buy it!!

I think I have been very fair in this hole ordeal. You say that its missing a piston. I guess I should have taken the thing apart to check everything and not been able to put the damn thing back to gether cause LIKE I STATED I DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GAS CARS! There is a whole list of people who have posted up here that they are willing to buy it. Start PMING. You can call me a liar all you want but you will not find a single person on this board that has delt with me, or should I say sold or bought from that I did not treat fair. I am to the point of just washing my hands of it. I have not been rude or even unfair. I posted my self in the bad sellers section for you. I was debating on giving you your money back and just selling it on EBAY. I did not even bring up your name so that YOU WERE NOT BOTHERED. And I am the jerk.

OK EVERYONE I AM A JERK AND A BAD SELLER NOW.

You could have been a little nicer and waited till the poll had ended and I would have done what the PIRATE COURT HAD SAID DO. But now I belive you have answered the the poll for me. Sorry all sales are final.

deadandcompany

01-03-2007, 12:07 AM

to be MORE than fair you can have him take it to an authorized dealer to have them diagnose what the problem is and take it from there. !

I don't know sh!t about RC cars. When I received the truck I dropped it off at The Hobby Shop in Park Lane Mall here in Reno. Its still there, Tommy the kid that works there already fixed the on/off switch on the car, replaced and correctly installed the fuel lines, installed new servos for the brake and throttle, replaced the missing crystals for the controller, installed a glow plug to try and start it and they resorted to pulling the head off the motor when it wouldn't start.

He did mention, that I could replace the motor for the same quality one currently installed in the truck for around $180. Which was the price I asked you to split.

bike guy

01-03-2007, 12:10 AM

the pictures you posted made it plenty clear that there is not even a head on the motor. you also made it more than clear that you dont know jack about the damn things. you were not misleading and you are not a walmart.

deadandcompany

01-03-2007, 12:10 AM

but you will not find a single person on this board that has delt with me, or should I say sold or bought from that I did not treat fair.

Sorry all sales are final.

There is one now, enough said!

deadandcompany

01-03-2007, 12:13 AM

the pictures you posted made it plenty clear that there is not even a head on the motor. .

Sure there is.

tigger119634

01-03-2007, 12:13 AM

There is one now, enough said!

I was being fair and you flew off the handle. SORRY

tigger119634

01-03-2007, 12:14 AM

I know that this is going to be a stupid ??? but on that car what part is the head?

deadandcompany

01-03-2007, 12:19 AM

I know that this is going to be a stupid ??? but on that car what part is the head?

I believe it to be this.

http://resurrectedcrawlers.com/maxxx.jpg

tigger119634

01-03-2007, 12:21 AM

I have been doing some reading and they say that is a heat sink.

tigger119634

01-03-2007, 12:24 AM

I also read that they can be rebuilt. Please dont take this wrong but if it is missing the piston cant you get one and put it in and not cost $180?

bike guy

01-03-2007, 01:03 AM

i don't personally know either of you, but tigger, you've been more than fair at the $200 price tag alone and deadandcompany you should go buy a $20 piston and head and whatever else it needs, and fix it yourself or sell it for what you bought it for and quit making a mountain out of a mole hill. you bought a used RC car that was advertised as not running. tigger even emailed you pics so it was not sight unseen that the piston and head were not present.

by the way, are you sure there is no piston, cause from the photos it only looks like the head is missing? if thats the case then you are an even bigger crybaby. why dont you take a picture of down the hole and post it so we can all see what the deal really is?

im going to bed.

bike guy

01-03-2007, 01:18 AM

I don't know sh!t about RC cars.

if you dont know shit about RC cars then you shouldnt buy project RC cars that dont run. its irresponsible to point the finger at a guy who sold you a project not running device and act like he was out to screw you.:shaking:

im really going to bed now.

440-fide Ramcharger

01-03-2007, 05:36 AM

I don't know sh!t about RC cars. When I received the truck I dropped it off at The Hobby Shop in Park Lane Mall here in Reno. Its still there, Tommy the kid that works there already fixed the on/off switch on the car, replaced and correctly installed the fuel lines, installed new servos for the brake and throttle, replaced the missing crystals for the controller, installed a glow plug to try and start it and they resorted to pulling the head off the motor when it wouldn't start.

He did mention, that I could replace the motor for the same quality one currently installed in the truck for around $180. Which was the price I asked you to split.

Bwahahahaha, Took it straight to your T-Maxx mechanic...... ROTFLOL

Maybe you got a little over your head in the mechanical department....

A man has to know his limitations.

How old are you? is this your only car..... When you get to the real ones, they are even harder to work on. Good Luck.

orangefj45

01-03-2007, 07:57 AM

if the dude at the hobby shop told you that you'd have to spend $180 to replace the engine and did'nt give you the option to fix what you have then i'd take my business eleswhere!
parts for these engines are readily available and do not cost much. they might not be in stock at your local hobby shop but a decent shop should be able to order them for you. so within a few days you should be able to have the needed parts on hand. i would get a new rod (they do stretch after a while) along with a new piston and get that baby fired up. these engines are about the simplest engines out there. getting them running does'nt take much.

ecrist

01-03-2007, 08:53 AM

You are NOT a bad seller...based on what you said here, you sold it as is. The guy got a smoking deal at $200.00.

NothernAZxj

01-03-2007, 09:17 AM

tigger119634

01-03-2007, 10:35 AM

you are an idiot.....and a moron, the diffs and the tires are worth more than 200.00, the tranny is worth another 60.00

ship it back to him, he will refund your money and any 20 of us who actually have a clue about RC will buy it up in a minute.... and if you dont now shit about rc you need to start with electric.....

Look this is where I stand right now. I have been laid off now for over a month. Have a wife that dose not work and 2 kids that are under 2. I get a check every friday and that is why I posted the poll to run until friday, cause what ever was decided I was going to go through with it. Even if I had to buy it back. Even though I dont really have the money. Because that is the type of seller I am. I try to make it right. But after the episode last nite I am through. SORRY. Label me what you all will, but I dont like being accused of liying. So I am not buying it back. He can resell. People have shown interest in it so if you want itPM him.

I will say this tho. I have a UPS account. If someone was to buy it from him, I will pay the shipping.

Just to get this over with. This is turning into a soap. :)

Thanks Steve

tj40ounce

01-03-2007, 11:39 AM

traxman25

01-03-2007, 12:02 PM

DOOD you got a smoking deal and you know it! Quit crying about it, fix the car, or sell it yourself for a profit, and go about your own life. You bought a great package form someone who didn't know what he had and could have gotten more, and knew it needed work, that is OBVIOUS from the pictures. Even at another $250 in, you still can't hardly touch a 2.5, 3.3 or .21 motored running Tmaxx, with radio, let alone all those spare parts and tires!

PROJECTJUNKIE

01-03-2007, 12:37 PM

Voted "pound sand"

You were straight up with him, and told him everything you knew, and sounds like you would have torn it down and inspected if he had asked you to.

You sold it "as is" at a blow out price.

The buyer seems to know as little, or less than you about RC cars, it's his own damn fault if he gets in over his head. Although, from what it looks like, even after paying a mechanic to get this running, with a new motor, he will still have gotten a killer deal on the truck.

I'd buy from you.

steveh

01-03-2007, 02:21 PM

Pound sand

That is all :flipoff2:

Ragged_ol_86

01-03-2007, 11:46 PM

Piss up a rope motherfucker. You got a damn good deal and you know it. You can have a good used motor from 20-100 bux. Shit you could buy a wrecked T-Maxx For that and get extras and a good motor. Stop your whining put a motor on it and be merry.

tigger119634

01-04-2007, 12:29 AM

Look everyone, PLEASE lets not piss on him. We all make mistakes. I made the mistake of selling something that I did not know anything about and someone got screwed. I did not know it did not work, neither did he. He made the mistake of buying it not nowing if it worked. We all look to score that smoken deal and ride of into the sunset. He managed to buy it and got sunk. I now where he is coming from, I have been there. We all have, one time or another.

I did state eairlier that I did not want this to end up this way. People passing judgement. The buyer and I came to an agreement and I just want to thank the people who posted up. Even to the ones who passed judgement.

Please remember its easy to say when you are not in there shoes but some day those shoes might be yours.