This is a conversion done on a Unimog axil.. does anyone reconize the parts? May be intersted in doing this myself to my mog some day.. collecting info in advance.

The Unimog was a drum brake so everything brake here is a retrofit , rotor, caliper.. etc... maybe even hub


one (http://www.killeraxles.com/assets/images/Axle_Parts_005.home.jpg) two (http://www.killeraxles.com/assets/images/Axle_Parts_015.home.jpg) three (http://www.killeraxles.com/assets/images/Brake_1.home.jpg)

the rotor looks like standard 8 lug with 2.0--2.5" of depth.
(chevy rotor is 2.0" deep, and ford is 2.5") the caliper is
some 4 piston unit........ probably an aftermarket unit....
never seen 4-piston calipers in any stock application..
(domestic)

--Sherpa

The rotors look like Ford rotors. The Chevy rotors have cutouts (windows) on the hat while the Fords are solid (like in your pic). Here are some measurements that I took of the Ford vs Chevy rotors....

F350
12.563" OD, 5.135" ID, 3.210" tall
1.25" thick (1.18 min)
Stud hole: 0.640 dia, 0.335 deep, 1.10"-ish counter bore dia


Chevy K20
12.500" OD, 5.120" ID, 2.780" tall
1.285" thick (1.215 min)
Stud hole: 0.650 dia, 0.405 deep, 1.13" counter bore dia

Here is a (rusted out) Chevy rotor with the windows.

http://www.off-road.com/~estegall/tech/d60hd-disks/d60hd-disks08.jpg

Eric,

is that your d-60HD? those hubs are different than mine.....

how's the brake-thing going?

--Sherpa

Yeah, those hubs are kind of weird. As you can see, I will have to make one hell of a spacer to make the disk brake brackets bolt on. I am not sure if I am going to weld one on or make brackets. I need to find some wheel studs with a smaller hat area so they can fit into the counter bore of the Chevy rotors.

Stock Ford rotors and calipers.

Originally posted by NECKSTER
Stock Ford rotors and calipers.

What years and vehicles you thinking these are from Neckster?
F350?

I don't know about the calipers, but Ford used the same rotors on F250s and F350s (SRW) from 78 on up (I don't know when they stopped, but it is at least through 85)

Those kinda look like Corvette 4 piston calipers. Hard to tell without a side by side.

Eric,
I can probably make you a bracket that will work
I've got disc brake bkts for a 14 bolt
looks to me like if i extended them and offset them one way then another so you could catch the two bolts
i'm guessing 2.5 or 3" inches
if i had a template (card board) and how much the offset was
i believe i could have you something rather quick

Eric, those hubs are WAAAAAAAAY different than mine! mine
look almost exactly like 14 bolt hubs...... and as for that brake
rotor in your pic, you should try to fit-up a ford d-60 front rotor.
lot's more backspace on it........

I have some rotors at the house if you need to borrow one.

and as for the bracket you need, I wouldn't use that brake-
backing flange on there.... just weld a new bracket on the
tube. if you want to make a cardboard template, I can make a
steel pattern and use my plazma and the pattern tracer.

(I'm almost ready to try that out)

--Sherpa

I was considering making a flange and welding it onto the spindle tube and then using some 3/4 ton Chevy caliper brackets and bolting them to the new flange. If that is too much work, I guess I could always just weld the caliper bracket to the spindle tube.
This way I could weld both sides of the bracket.

The Ford rotors have a 0.4" deeper offset so this will help with rim clearance, but I don't know if that really matters. I may just use the Chevy rotors

Any suggestions?

If you guys figure it out
i run a laser machine 8 hrs a day
if you know what i mean

they look like toy calipers to me I just put one on a 91 fourrunner.

Look similar to the calipers on a Ford F700 to me which is a Kelsey Hayes setup.

Originally posted by racinhound
Look similar to the calipers on a Ford F700 to me which is a Kelsey Hayes setup.

Kelsey Hayes set up? What do you mean by this?

What is a ford F700?... a comercial sized vehicle I assume

:confused: what a question:confused:

May be Porsche or Mercedes Sprinter:confused:

Originally posted by Wolfgang
:confused: what a question:confused:

May be Porsche or Mercedes Sprinter:confused:

Though it could be mercedes cause it is a Unimog but I would expect that this domestic retrofit US company would use more readily available parts such as Ford, chevy etc.

I was planning on hitting a few non domestic board just in case though.

:confused: Look at the homepage where you´ve got the pics you´ve posted
I would say it´s a german company, so may be they use Mercedes or Porsche parts or other european stuff :confused:

Originally posted by Wolfgang
:confused: Look at the homepage where you´ve got the pics you´ve posted
I would say it´s a german company, so may be they use Mercedes or Porsche parts or other european stuff :confused:

Sorry. I stand corrected.. Thought they were a US company.

They may be parts from newer mog axils then? hmmmm

Pirate folk.... you think big ford or Chevy stuff can retrofit to a Mog axil?

Maybe I'll make a seperate post on that.

oh.. and Mog officially gets paid for tommorow and shipping process begins.. barring something odd happens?

Wolfgang? Are u near belgum? Would u be interested in inspecting a Mog for me. its a 1964 404 with an OM617A in it.
I'll E-mail ya

Belgium is not to far away. May be i can check it out.
Tell me something more, where exactly in belgium?
Give me also some info about the MOG.

BTW i know a place with about 500 404´s for sale

Im going thru an importer here in the states so Im not sure what dealer has it in Belgum.. I do know it is at a Dealer.

Would be hard to miss... its huge Yellow and maroon? striped radio box.

Im interested in it mainly cause it has a OM617A in it. My question is what it a profesionaly made Diesel kit installed and or. if it was profesionaly installed in the Mog

here is some more info on it..

http://www.carradine.net/sales/404td/

My understanding is the asking price from the dealer prior to export is 9,000 US $

Originally posted by Wolfgang
:confused: Look at the homepage where you´ve got the pics you´ve posted
I would say it´s a german company, so may be they use Mercedes or Porsche parts or other european stuff :confused:

Something stinks.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53814

Originally posted by Wolfgang
Yes we sold our axles to the US !

I think you know it's a German company!
And I'd hope you know what calipers you are using too!
:nuke:

http://www.exaxt.ca. Those look like domestic calipers. And I know another guy using I think Wilwood stuff.

Follow Me If You Can!

Originally posted by FollowMe


Something stinks.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53814



coach George writes
Dont worry... I saw that post several days ago... my memory truely has allways sucked for details but I suspected Wolfgang was the owner of the same company who fubared pretty bad in the post you speak off.

I think you know it's a German company!
And I'd hope you know what calipers you are using too!
:nuke:

After looking closer it dawned on me that Wolfgang was not a German who is now in residing in America but a German company owner in Germany. I also run a business (not in the 4wd world) and I understand he is a man trying to make a living.. he just needs to learn to read the rules better... Ive made that mistake myself. Now if he is trying to mislead me... hahah... sorry, the chump aint got me fooled.

I beleave in second chances.... if he treats me right then he learned good business leason recent and is being above board... and I'll tell the 4wheelers...if he treats me wrong then the off road world will know it via PIRATE 4X4, and Rockcrawler.com


url]http://www.exaxt.ca.[/url] Those look like domestic calipers. And I know another guy using I think Wilwood stuff.

Follow Me If You Can!

Ill check more on Exact Axle's.. I assumed they might use the same parts as Wolfgang here... I chose these brake parts to show pictures of on here only cause the pics were better than those on the Exact Axle site.

Tell me more about Wildwood please

This is what he said "i wanna tell you that the most expencive part is the hub. Its a all new hub made of Chromo4/2 . " So I can see the expense of the brake retrofit being high if they are newly made hubs......

"Its not possible to use a hub from any other car or truck." was what he said too.... Only time will tell if he is right.. ... Pirate type of guys are pretty ingenious when it comes to retrofit/modify/fabricate- etc. so u never know.

He then offered me a fair deal on the Hubs only and I can use my own brakes. Thats a fair business practice thing in my book. I did tell him I am not in the market YET for the retrofit... which is true.... Im just planning ahead so i know how much money to sock away in a bank account.. and in the mean time keep my eyes open for someone selling the right kind of brake calipers.

so.. all in all... Wolfgang is being good to me thus far. Guess he lived and learned.

Originally posted by coachgeo
"Its not possible to use a hub from any other car or truck."


I'd agree with this. At least, it isn't cost effective and I wouldn't call it safe.

I think I know who's doing the Wilwood brake conversion, but he's on the board too, so I'll let him add his $0.02.

--Rob