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Had a big day today. Bought a motor, its a 302 windsor out of a Bronco, got the NP435, and the wrecker guy also threw in this big arse rear Dana 70 which has 4.56 gears (the same as my d60 front) Got the whole lot for $2000AUS. So this is the gear that im going to run. I will also adapt the transfer part of a LT95 for the transfer case.

So with the 302 windsor, NP435, LT95 and D60/D70 with 42in swampers this is gonna be an absolutely bitchen machine. And hopefully something that wont break. Overall crawl ratio will be around 100:1 so it will be really sweet.

The motor has these huge fuel injection runners that stick up about a foot above the motor. Dont know that I want to try to get the fuel injection running (I havent got the computer but could do the fuel injection if it would be worth while - I dont know) I also got a normal inlet manifold with a normal carb so it will be easier to get it going with this and ditch the fuel injection totally. What do you guys think. Will the carb do the job or will it suck on angles. Maybe put rover SU carbs on it instead??? Any ideas.

Heres a pic of the motor. and the fuel injection crap all over it. I think it would be a big PITA to get this running.

Sam

Gearbox it fairly straight forward. Its a NP435 (thanks 9 volt) that out of a 4wd f truck so its got a good length output shaft sticking out the end (about 8in). Also got a yoke that matches up with the output shaft splines that I can get pressed and welder into the input drive gear of the LT95 transfer if this is the way to go. Ron posted an interesting link where they just cut the output shaft and welded on the new output shaft so this may also be a possible way of doing the conversion. Obviously strength is the issue here. So anyone got any opinions?????

Also got the bell housing, flywheel, clutch, slave etc so it will be aan easy bolt up to the motor.

Heres the gear box. Nice huh. Its got a 6.something first gear.

Sam

certainly looks super beefy. what's the HP of that engine?

Jamie

And now the rear D70. Dont know much about this one but its big and its heavy, its got 4.56 gears and it was free. Carnt ask for much more than that.
Its missing the pinion yoke and I think the pinion bearings are stuffed but its hard to tell with the yoke missing. Pulled the cover and it looks like something has chipped a couple of the outer teeth (only really small chips on the very outer edge) on the crownwheel. The crown wheel looks OK apart from that and the pinion looks fine also. I dont really know whats gone threw it but I will know more when I pull it apart. It may well be totally stuffed but like I said it was free.

Now I think this axle is OLD. I pulled the axle and its got 23spline 1.5in axles (full floaters). And its got a 6stud wheel pattern (thay look to be on the same PCD as the regular D60 8 stud) Anyone know what the story of this is. Is it worth putting under my rig or is it a worthless POS.

If the gears are OK and its possible to put a 35 spline locker into this housing and throw in some new axles then this would be great as I can just upgrade it and I wont be wasting my time mounting it under my rig as is.

Anyone know if this housing is compatible with the 35spline d70????? Or are these housings totally different.

Heres a pic of the axle with its new friend front d60. (Im hearing you Doug!!!!!! the rockwells will be for anouther day)

Sam

And heres a pic of the the funny 6 stud hub. If I do run this axle then I will put new 8stud centres into my bead lock rims at the correct BS for the front d60 (somewhere between 2.5 and 4in back space) and then to run these rims on the rear I will do my sensational fabricated wheel spaces. The spacers will be about 2in thick (the rear WMS-WMS is 4 inches less than the front) and convert from the 6stud pattern to the 8stud.

Too easy.

Sam

Originally posted by Jamie Austin
certainly looks super beefy. what's the HP of that engine?

Jamie

I really dont know. A mate of mine has got a stock 302 windsor in a triumph stag (it weigs about 1400kg (3000lb)) The motor only revs to about 4500rpm and the thing does 0-60mph in about 7.5 seconds. The motor is real grunty so it will go like the blazers in my hybrid and bust the d44s real easy.

Should be a lot of fun.

I would guess it would have about 210hp??????

Sam

Hey sam i dont know if you would be interested but remember i was telling you about that D70 in that truck yard up at Gympie i think it would be more like the width of your D60 and it was 6 stud and Disk brake. I think it was in an early International or Bedford truck. I doubt they would want much for it.

Originally posted by Still a NEWBIE
Hey sam i dont know if you would be interested but remember i was telling you about that D70 in that truck yard up at Gympie i think it would be more like the width of your D60 and it was 6 stud and Disk brake. I think it was in an early International or Bedford truck. I doubt they would want much for it.

Could be. Ill pull this one apart tomorrow and see if the gears are any good first and then go from there. There should be heaps of these things around (d70 with 4.56 gears) I think they were in all the early model f350s and they should also be 8 stud.

But I will see. Got a lot to learn on all this stuff. I just thought WTF and jumped in. Sort of how I bought the 42s come to think of it. :rasta:

Sam

hey sam - this is turning out to be quite the interesting hybrid! Excellent choice of powerplant -

don't ditch your FI on that 5.0 - it is infinitely more tuneable and better running than carbie setup, and for the kind of wheeling you're accustomed to you won't want to be worrying about flooding out on climbs and decents. not to mention, there are more online NG's and BB's with ford small block expertise than you can shake a stick at. you shouldn't have too much of a problem fiding a computer - most everything across the ford line-up is interchangeable. my advice would be to get an RV style cam dropped in and custom burn an EPROM for whatever CPU you manage to find, but I'm gettin ahead of meself aren't i :D

you can get a much lower profile intake off of an old mustang - those truck intakes were something else. but then again, you might as well let that thing peek up through the hood! :grinpimp:

cheers,

isaac

Bitchin' Sam! :smokin:

You never cease to amaze me man. One day it's a front D60...Then the SAME day it's RW's and 14b's...Now this!

You've got it made now my friend. BTW, IMO, you should do your best to get that factory EFI working. You'll love it in the end if you can find the harness and ECU to go with it. If not I would consider ditching the factory stuff and go with an after-market EFI/TBI system like Holly Pro or some of the others. I'm sure there is gobs of info on that motor that you can get so that shouldn't be a problem for you...I betcha' that's a non-emissions EFI Winsor. Meaning you might not have to worry about the hundred or so little computer management issues that you would on say a California emissions equipped V8...But I really dunno'...Can't wait to hear your stories though!

Simply put, for rock crawling, carbs suck. I can count only ONE carb'ed vehicle that I was really impressed with on the trails I (we) like to do...And that was a Unimog. Damn thing ran sideways/partially inverted (past 90deg)...How it does it is a mystery to me...And I want to keep it that way. Sure there are a couple of carbed vehicles running successfully in Las Cruses, but I have yet to see them smoothly climb some of the super vertical ledges they have there.

O'yea, spray out that 70 with a little carb cleaner, weld the hell out of the side gears, fill it with a little 90wt and run the f'in piss out of it! Those coarse splines will be fine….And if you can break that ring (or) pinion with that puny little Winsor, I'll personally come over there with a new gear set (of your choice) and set them up for you too!

Good job man!

-D

Gone over to the dark side!

front 60, rear 70.. quite the set-up. I'll bet you won't break that 70 with your 302. Even if you do, an alloy set of axles for those full-floaters should be easy to get made up.


Sweet set-up!! Sounds like its time for you to find another old series truck and have two set up. That way, you can have something to drive while you're fabbing stuff and waiting for parts!

:smokin: :smokin:

-John

lookin good sam!!! nice choice of motor and trans, but i dunno about the rear end.

with the drivetrain combo you are now suggesting. your rear driveshaft will be A LOT shorter, and im not sure if you will have problems with driveshaft vibration in the rear.

your transmission/transcase assy is going to be longer, plus the (much) longer pinion snout on the D70.

and about the identity of the rear end, if it were in the us i would almost definetly say kaiser. but in AU, i dunno. the 6 bolt hubs and coarse splines seem to hint at that, but the location and maybe the width say otherwise.

in any case, good luck with it, and im sure it will come out killer in the end!!!

Great stuff - just what I wanted to here.

Better off trying to keep the fuel injection cause carbs suck (although the SU setup on my rover work really well and they have never run any differently on angles - up to 90degrees anyway) and I hear with the long runners on the intake produces much better bottom end torque.

With the d70 even though its course spline its big and the right ratio Ill just weld it and throw it in and if it stuffs up then do something then.

And Doug, WTF, puny little windsor, DAMN I knew I should have grabed that bigblock. Wait a sec the 460 in my f truck runs the same gearbox mmmmm might swap that one then Ill break some shiat. :flipoff2:

To put all this is in it will be off the road for a while although I can set up the motor,box and transfer on the ground ans get it running and just pull the lid on the hybrid and thruw that in but the axles and stuff will take a while. I probably will put the d44s under a range rover style side ute that I have aquired (although I gotta bobtail the back) with a set of 35 for an off road drive car. Since I got the 42s its been so different having to trailer it everywhere and it will be good to have something I can drive. The d44 swap to the rangie is a totally bolt on affair so it will be easy to do. And I think the d44s will be much happier with a set of 35s as well although every time I wheel the d44 with the 42s supprise the crap out of me.

Yea 9 volt I dont know how the length will turn out. I want a longer wheel base anyway so I will see how it goes. The bell housing is a lot shorter on the windsor so it might make up for some and the NP 435 is only slightly bigger than the lt95 (the lt95 is a big arse gearbox) but then Im going to use more room adapting the transfer. If it comes down to it I will make the wheelbase longer just to get the rear tailshaft in :D

But its gonna be fun and I just carnt wait to drive this thing with the windsor and 100:1 gearing. Gunna be awsome :vader2:

Sam

nice :smokin: :D :smokin: :D :smokin:

Sam Way To Go!

I think someone mentioned putting these under a new rig.

Definately seems like the way to go. I mean a new engine/tranny/t-case and axles warants a clean sheet. The slap the 42s on it and put somethign smaller back on the D44s. Should not be hard to redo what you have done (at least for you:))

Ron

damn, i was hoping you'd go rockwells and try off-load that dirty old D60!!;) :D

kidding kidding, actually i hate all this stuff, but id go bling bling and stick that injection inlets straight out the bonnet :pimp: and if its not road driving there wont be any legal problems with the 8 rails poking up!! NICE

but the reason i hate all this stuff, is jealousy, just outright jealousy

DAMN

presonally id try for a 14 bolt rear with 35 and FF, BUT for free, why not wheel the crap out of a welded ass who cares D70!!!

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