Keep busting the stub shafts. Thinking of upgrading to the 35 spline -1-1/2" instead of the existing 1-1/4".

What do you think would become the weak link after the upgrade.

Who has done this and what have you broken since your upgrade.

Running hosepower and 44" boggers with this set up.

i have no personal experience but i would say that if you are running lockouts, then those will become the new weak link. if you are running drive flanges, then the u joints are the weak link, but only when the wheels are turned. straight ahead, i dunno if there is a weak link :D

With big horsepower and 44" boggers you honestly never should have even considered the 30 spline outers. In essence your D60 front has only been as strong as a D44. I mean, why have a 60 and not run 35 spline axles??? There are no cons, just get new stubs, period.

Yea what he said!
I went to the 35 spline when I upgraded tire size to 42's! I was not worried when I only :D had 38's but I would not even think about anything other than 35 spline with any larger tires. The lockout should go first but I have not had a failure yet!
FYI a 30 spline Dana-44 lockout will fit your 30 spline 60 outers! What does that tell ya? :D If you are running a GM 60 all you have to do is buy 2 Dana 70 stubs and the lockouts. Cheap, like $65 per stub and $210 or so for the lockouts. If it's a Ford 60 like mine you will spend about $1k! GO for it :flipoff2:
:beer:

Originally posted by white knight
Keep busting the stub shafts. Thinking of upgrading to the 35 spline -1-1/2" instead of the existing 1-1/4".

What do you think would become the weak link after the upgrade.

Who has done this and what have you broken since your upgrade.

Running hosepower and 44" boggers with this set up.

If you are running the 35 spline outers with newer "big style" inners which don't taper down then usually the lock out will be the weak link(a fairly weak link at that)..If you have those old taper down style inners then they will break before the joint;but, maynot go before the lockout. The best set-up for myself is to run drive flanges with 35 spline outers combined with the "big style" inners that don't taper down ;but,actually taper up..Then the u-joint is the weak link and breaks are much farther apart.I have busted a few of the u-joints while running 35 spline outers with horsepower and 44 inch tires....not bad for 8 years though.:D

I've just recently installed 35 spline outters and bought some of Jack's CTM joints at the same time. I have the HD shafts that don't tapper down, slugs and run 42s. So fair nothings broke but I'm also wondering what will go frist, with the stock shafts, I'd guess the shaft yoke might go frist(?), I had to cut them slightly to get the clips to fit.



onetonwillysands10

That Willy's pickup is very cool, I have a '65 wagon I'll be starting on soon.

onetonwillysands10,

Cool pic :smokin:

And all this time, I figured you had a rig that was a combo of a Willys and S10 with 1 ton gear.

How wrong was I :eek:

Nice collection

I just bought a chevy d60 dulley front axle
i have not checked the spline count yet of the axles
but hubs do i need to buy to run to make this a single axle
front end and is there any thing else i need to change:)

thanks scott

i forget what d60s had the necked down shafts? be nice if we could compile this and put it in the bible

I'm not sure of all of them I can only say mine (1979 F-250) had necked down shafts. Damned skinny 1.31" 44 sized shit! They have all been replaced! 1.5" 35 spline through out!

NICE!!!:eek: :eek:

flmanyj,

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=560003#post560003

Thanks for the input

Have one spare stub. When that's gone( which probably won't take too long) , I'm upgrading.

Originally posted by Ultim8kaos
If it's a Ford 60 like mine you will spend about $1k! GO for it :flipoff2:
:beer:

$1000 :eek:
I thought all you had to do was get the hubs or slugs and bore out your spindles. Am I :smokin:

Rob,
Yes you are :smokin: . :D You don't have to bore the front spindles to accept the 1.5" stubs. However you do have to buy custom made alloy outers for the Ford.

However you do have to buy custom made alloy outers for the Ford.

You talking about stubs......

You can supposedly lop about an inch off the spicer outers and they'll work. There is another post floating around right now where somebody spoke of this.

Me I'm still 30 spline until they :nuke:

Originally posted by Ultim8kaos
FYI a 30 spline Dana-44 lockout will fit your 30 spline 60 outers! What does that tell ya? :D :flipoff2:


So, is a 30 spline D44 stub a larger diameter than a 19 spline? 'Cause I never mic'd 'em but I could swear the 30 spline D60 stub is a larger diameter throughout -

30 spline D60 stub vs 19 spline D44 stub:
http://www.superford.org/registry/users/33/139/DCP_0419.JPG

BTW, Steve does that stub look familiar? It should!

Originally posted by Ultim8kaos
I'm not sure of all of them I can only say mine (1979 F-250) had necked down shafts. Damned skinny 1.31" 44 sized shit! They have all been replaced! 1.5" 35 spline through out!

good old ford...my 1979 f250 dana 60 had the straight (non necked down)shafts in it...

Yea, that D-60 stub does look very familiar. I never mic'd the splines either but I did put a Dana-44 lockout on that very same stub you got there Keith! :D That's why I sold them to you! :p




Crazyhorse, Your lucky dude, I bought new inners for spares and changed them out when I went 35 spline. Now it's non-necked down throughout! Forgot how skinny those bastards were. I went through it about 5 years ago and never paid any attention! The skinny ones are my spares now.


I think the actual length difference between Dodge/Chevy stub shaft and the Ford stub is .600" I kinda like the alloy stubs but I have to like them cause I paid BIG bucks for them so 'course they are much cooler :flipoff2:

1980, is when the axles got thicker, and the ears got bigger. Remember that this is a change over year, so there are 1980 60s that have tapered axles and ones that have thick axles.

Also the 60 stub is bigger then a 44, not much but it is larger. Also what 44 has 30 spl outers? I've never seen one, just 19, 27, 10.

emsoffroad,
Sorry for the misleading info. Your post got me thinking what 44 lockout I had on the splines of the 60 stub so I had to come home and do a little measuring and counting. The 44 lockout in question was from a REAR axle Warn full float kit for the Dana-44! :emb2: I knew it was a 44 just couldn't remember. :D So for the record I don't think any 44 FRONT had 30 splines and 1.285 ID. 10, 19, and 27 being correct spline counts.

Ford wasn't using the straight axle 60 in '80, used the TTB from '80 thru '85, I am ass-uming you are refering to the other manufacturers?

D60, that 44 stub you have should measure 1.155" @ the splines and 1.060" at the shank.
Ford Dana 60 stub: 1.285@splines and 1.250@shank
Chevy Dana 60 stub: 1.285@splines and 1.245@shank
Measured both these tonight! Chevy was a Spicer spare a buddy carries and the Ford was one of my spares.
Warn Dana 44 rear full float: 1.285@splines with 30 splines!(I know, not really a 44 we were talkin' about)

Chaos,
What alloy are your shafts and where did you get them?

You can supposedly lop about an inch off the spicer outers and they'll work. There is another post floating around right now where somebody spoke of this.


Well to clarify I spoke with a good friend who tried this with Ford outers. He decided against it due to slop in the spindle bearing contact area when using a 35 spline stub. He would not recommend trying this and after going through all the details with him I wouldn't either. i just didn't want to lead anyone down the wrong road with my post, sorry.

Rob,
I don't know what alloy is used on the outer stubs. I bought mine from Dyna-trac. $210 for the lockouts (Warn Premiums) and $795 for the stubs. You can also check with WMS. I think there alloy outers are about $200 less than Dyna-trac.
www.wagonermachine.com/35spline_stub.htm Get their phone# and talk to Casey and tell him Steve sent you. :D

WARN makes a 30 spline stub for a 297 u-joint front axle. I have some in my 9 inch front. I think they are bases on some CJ front ends but not for sure.

Originally posted by Ultim8kaos


Ford wasn't using the straight axle 60 in '80, used the TTB from '80 thru '85, I am ass-uming you are refering to the other manufacturers?


Yes all mfgs swaped to the larger axles the same time. Ford did use the D60 from 80-84, however will you ever see one, maybe. You can find them in special order trucks. Super duty, 450, ect. Normaly outfited with all kinds of junk, sprayer trucks, ect. Also will run into the problem of being 10 lug budd wheel.