Im getting ready to mount up some 39.5 boggers and heard about tossing in 3 to 9 golf balls to balance out the tires at highway speeds. Have any of you out there tried this and if so how well does it work?

4 golf balls in each of my 36" TSLs tamed them enough for 75-80mph on the highway. Something happens around 68-70, where the tires get bouncy, but it smooths out over 70.

<<4 golf balls in each of my 36" TSLs tamed them enough for 75-80mph on the highway. Something happens around 68-70, where the tires get bouncy, but it smooths out over 70.>>

I've never heard of this! lol do you put them between the tire and rim I suppose? Does this allow you not to use weights?

PM Sillydick - he posted a thread about his a while back.

Originally posted by attachcurrie
I've never heard of this! lol do you put them between the tire and rim I suppose? Does this allow you not to use weights?

Just pop the outside bead, and drop the balls inside the tire; they roll around inside the tire.
I have no other balance weights on my tires. Got sick of losing balance after every trail ride. No worries now.

any on ever thought of using a sand bag?>


a lil quiter. nd cheaper .. i dont know never did dont it but just a thought?

Originally posted by oopsdidmyjeeproostya
any on ever thought of using a sand bag?>


a lil quiter. nd cheaper .. i dont know never did dont it but just a thought?
God damn man learn to type! :flipoff2:

question .....ive heard of the equal stuff, which apparently is the same concept, but the standard amount doesnt seem to be enough for swampers. anyone used like two bags of this stuff inside the tires as opposed to golf balls. id just like something a bit quiter than golf balls. assuming you can hear them.
~John

Originally posted by Bones

God damn man learn to type! :flipoff2:

fuck u my laptop ha s been thru hell and dont always.. type correct..:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

I have 6 golf balls in each of my front 39.5 TSL's Gonna put some in the rear too.

You can barely hear them at very slow speeds. At speed the centrificul force keeps them at the out side of the tire.

Originally posted by JohnBuuu
question .....ive heard of the equal stuff, which apparently is the same concept, but the standard amount doesnt seem to be enough for swampers. anyone used like two bags of this stuff inside the tires as opposed to golf balls. id just like something a bit quiter than golf balls. assuming you can hear them.
~John

I have about 10 oz in my 38's with beadlocks, working good so far, but need to put some more miles on them
http://www.wt4wheeling.com/tech/images/beadlock/mount7.jpg

I've been wondering- do I need to find out how much my tires are out of balance on the balancer before putting in the right number of balls? I've got a set of tires on the way and I'm not sure if I should just toss in 5 balls per tire while they're being mounted or have them mount them, put them on the balancing machine to find out how many oz's then break the bead and put the balls in. These will be 165 lb tire/wheel assemblies (131 lb tire, 34 lb wheel).

how does it work????????????

How long have you had them in? Is there any marks on the inside of the tire or rim? I would like to try this how many do you think for 38.5 11.50 boggers. I've had 6 set of swampers and they all bounced a little. I love to try new things.:)

You cheap fawkers :flipoff2: . My "balanced" 36" SX's ride like radials. wheel weights are for wheel, golf ball are for golfers.

36 sxs are so round they don't need weights :D I had a set before.

I run 6 golf balls in each 38 and it works up to 60mph but then gets bouncy. It's my sh!tty rims not my tires.

Clifton's right, for some reason Swamper decided to actually make the 36" SX's round, and the 38" ones shaped like eggs.

I run 6 per tire in my 38" SX's and it helped immensely. They're still god awful street tires, especially with the 40 mph death wobble. I used to be able to top out at 58 before they started to hop so bad I had to slow down. Now I can cruise 68-70 before it starts getting scary.

As for longevity, I just recently put a 12+ plug gash in one of the sidewalls. I took it to a little mexican tire shop and the guy put a patch on the inside of it. One of the 6 golf balls had disentegrated over the 6 months or so I've been running them. The shell was separated, and the rubber banding was all over. He said he'd seen it before on big truck tires. There was no inner carcass damage to the tire, so I put 5 back in.

I read awhile back there was a problem with using golf balls. Seem they tend to heat up at highway speed. Then when you stop that heat is transfered to the inside of the tire tread where the balls come to rest. They said it can damage the bond of the tread and core. Haven't seen it happen, just something I read in a tech article. Equil can be a problem also. It tend to clog valve stem cores. I used to run it in my 18 wheeler but it was too big a hassle. Any moisture and it's shot. Now I just run Balance Masters and they work great. There like CentraMatics but use mercury instead of ball bearings.

Keith

Originally posted by Keith Haw
I read awhile back there was a problem with using golf balls. Seem they tend to heat up at highway speed. Then when you stop that heat is transfered to the inside of the tire tread where the balls come to rest. They said it can damage the bond of the tread and core. Haven't seen it happen, just something I read in a tech article. Equil can be a problem also. It tend to clog valve stem cores. I used to run it in my 18 wheeler but it was too big a hassle. Any moisture and it's shot. Now I just run Balance Masters and they work great. There like CentraMatics but use mercury instead of ball bearings.

Keith
where can i see the balance masters?
~John

Use mouse balls, steel core with a hard rubber coating. I found a supplier at www.mouseballz.com.

Glad my 36" SX's ride just fine enough down the road unbalanced. I was going to do the golfball thing, but I don't think it is real necessary yet.

I got them at a truckstop. Talked to a field rep at the Las Vegas truck show a few years ago. Here's there web site. Balance Masters. (http://www.balancemasters.com/)
They work great on my 18 wheeler. I average 200k miles on a set of steer tires with them. Before I was lucky to get 150K.

Keith

I run 2 bags of equal in each of my 35" Boggers. Works fine. Never had a water problem and I've had them on for almost 3 years. I even use CO2 to air up ( a little wetter than canned air ). Only thing I don't really like is that it tries to come out the valve when airing down, not too bad, just a bit.

I'm switching to some 37" MTR's and I'm thinking about putting some buck shot ( or t shot, a little smaller ) in them. Anyone use that? Seems it would work good.

Originally posted by Keith Haw
I got them at a truckstop. Talked to a field rep at the Las Vegas truck show a few years ago. Here's there web site. Balance Masters. (http://www.balancemasters.com/)
They work great on my 18 wheeler. I average 200k miles on a set of steer tires with them. Before I was lucky to get 150K.

Keith

I wonder if those will work on an 8 lug 15" rim? Looks like a neat product.

Hey RAPTOR where did you purchase EQUAL at,
anyone know a place online that we can order from:question::question: :question:

I sure hope those "balance master" doo-hickeys are $200 a SET and not EACH.

I got the equal @, believe it or not, 4WPW. It was like $7 a bag.

It can also be found at most truck stops.

Originally posted by Keith Haw
I read awhile back there was a problem with using golf balls. Seem they tend to heat up at highway speed. Then when you stop that heat is transfered to the inside of the tire tread where the balls come to rest. They said it can damage the bond of the tread and core..

Keith

I am not sure just how true this is. I have 4 galf balls in my 35" MTR. when I stop I can hear the golfballs fall and hit the rim. So I am speculating that they stay relativly still.

what about using golf balls on a hummer rim with the rubber run flat. Would this cause any problems or would it just make them quieter?

FYI
When you run equal you need to get new valve stems with the water filter and they also have a filter to keep it from coming out.
IMI (the maker of equal) sells these as well
(read the instructions huh :D )

MArk Check your PM box:p

Yeah, I know there are stems to use w/the equal. I didn't bother and really don't see it as an issue. I may have lost enough to salt a burger out of the factory valve stem. Every once in a while the valve will stick open a bit but I just push it in a couple times and it quits.

Here is a link to IMI's website for anyone interested

http://www.imiproducts.com/

I asked about the special valve stems when I tried Equal a couple years ago, and was told they didn't have any for my wheels. Instead they sold me extensions that screwed onto my stems after removing the cores. They were ungodly slow to air down, and stuck out way too far, so I ditched them. I'm gonna try either the golf balls or the bbs one of theses days.

Pete

Originally posted by pcorssmit
I asked about the special valve stems when I tried Equal a couple years ago, and was told they didn't have any for my wheels. Instead they sold me extensions that screwed onto my stems after removing the cores. They were ungodly slow to air down, and stuck out way too far, so I ditched them. I'm gonna try either the golf balls or the bbs one of theses days.

Pete
Yikes that must of been some medevil stuff.
Yeah the new ones look just like a regular valve core, with a small filter built in it. no differance can be seen from out side the wheel

Originally posted by Monkeyboy
MArk Check your PM box:p

Hard to reply when your Box is Full! :p

I drive with two bags of cocaine per tire in my Jeep, and I need to stay away from K9.....

:D :D :D :D :D :D

Originally posted by SVARAS
I drive with two bags of cocaine per tire in my Jeep, and I need to stay away from K9.....

:D :D :D :D :D :D

Yeah, but how many ounces per tire :jester:

I would think bbs or buck shot would tear apart the rim, As they bounce it would dent and damage the rim.

Golf balls the same way.

Originally posted by WheelingPiazza
I would think bbs or buck shot would tear apart the rim, As they bounce it would dent and damage the rim.

Golf balls the same way.

Maybe....shot is pretty soft lead, it deforms real easily, I can't really see it doing any harm to a steel rim. BB's on the other hand are much harder and I can't remember for sure but it seems I've seen them rust after the copper coating wears off. Can't imagine a golf ball doing any real damage to a rim.

ok, i dont get it. how does putting golf balls or any other relatively heavy round things, mouse balls, bb's etc balance a tire? If the tire is egg shaped, wouldnt the golf balls tend to collect in the ends of the egg, making the problem worse? How do the golf balls "know" where to go to counter balance and out of round or unbalanced tire?

Originally posted by RockHammered
ok, i dont get it. how does putting golf balls or any other relatively heavy round things, mouse balls, bb's etc balance a tire? If the tire is egg shaped, wouldnt the golf balls tend to collect in the ends of the egg, making the problem worse? How do the golf balls "know" where to go to counter balance and out of round or unbalanced tire?

You're logic is backwards. The balls fill the void and make the tire go smooth. Have you ever had a load of laundry that was lopsided to one side? It reacts similar to an out of balance wheel. So to correct, you move stuff around or add to the "void" area and voila, the problem disappears. You don't really need to know why, it just does (that's physics).

Bob

Originally posted by TJBob


You don't really need to know why, it just does (that's physics).

Bob

true enough. if I thought about everything i dont understand, i would never get anything done.

hmmm, so how do the electrons flowing through my cpu know to be a 1 or a 0???:rasta:

Well i think im going to try the golf balls, but did we ever decide how many works the best? I know rockslut said he uses six so i guess that will be my starting point. I like the idea of the equal too but dont want to have to deal with the possible valve stem issues. The balance masters product seems cool too but a lot more expensive than some golf balls.:D :D

i've heard that an alternative to EQUAL is to just use hydrated lime. it is pretty much the same thing. i've put it in my 44's but haven't got my rig to the point that i can drive it on the road to see how well it worked. EQUAL is very expensive when compared to a hube bag of lime that can be had at any lawn store.
as for the special stems i would imagine that the filters filter out the moistier from the air going in right? i could see that every thing has to be very dry so that the lime (or equal) does not clump.

I think I would avoid lime in my tires....And I would also avoid using a torch to trim magnesium:rolleyes:

I think I would avoid lime in my tires....And I would also avoid using a torch to trim magnesium

No shit! Damn...people have some pretty funny ideas. Can you imagine airing down some of these....poof - a nice face full of aerosolized lime and lead dust! Sweeeet!

So far, having great success with BB's. If yer woried about BB's tearing up your wheels or tires you need to get some other than balsa wood wheels, and some tires made from something other than tissue paper:flipoff2:

Seriously..my TSL's laugh at 750 bbs each. And it works:smokin:

Christ...if the trail doesn;t do infinately more dmage to your wheels and tires than anything you put in them, you;re not really wheeling, and should just go back to balanced radials at the mall:flipoff2:

Friend of mine reports great success with 24 fl ozs of enviro friendly anti-freeze in each swamper :eek: :eek:

Yup, after reading your article I threw 16oz of BBs in each of my 38's. Now I could get up to 70 before the vibes start, before I could barely drive 35. The only time you hear them is when you come to a stop or if your going under 5mph. I don't hear them hit the rim at all.

Originally posted by SAVAGE1
Yup, after reading your article I threw 16oz of BBs in each of my 38's. The only time you hear them is when you come to a stop or if your going under 5mph.

So every time you start crawling on a trail, your rig sounds like a maraca? 'Chicka-chicka-chicka' Here comes savage :D:D

Originally posted by BillaVista


Seriously..my TSL's laugh at 750 bbs each. And it works:smokin:


Bill you mean you actually counted out 750 BB's as 1 BB, 2 BB's, 3 BB's... And then did it again 3 more times :question: :eek: :laugh:

Bob,

Yes, I AM insane!!!

Kinda.

What I actually did was:

measuerd out like about 8oz of regular wheel weights (It wasn;t hard, I had about 40 oz per tire !!)

put them in a ziplock, and stapled it to a stick. Hung stick from middle, by wire, with empty ziplock stapled to other end...creating a VERY redneck balance scale.

Tipped BB's in the bag till it was about level.

Brought bag in house (much warmer), and actually counted out each freeakin BB:eek:

Had stroke of genius (counting 750 bb's is tedius!), lined up every small container in house, and started pouring BB's in them till I found one that would just hold them all (turned out to be a cheesy shot glass from Insbruck, Austria..)

Answered wife's question of " What the fawk are you up to NOW! you wierdo"

Anyway - I just put a shot glass full in each of the other tires :-)

And if you think that's loony - I actually stopped to take pictures and put them in my article!

:rasta:

Well I am still totaly confused how these help in the forst place but ignoring that...

Billavista, why would you expect the same weight be needed using BB's as the wheel weights? The BB's be further out from the center than the weights were- requiring less weight right??

the theory behind internally balancing tires is that they are dynamicaly balanced despite what you would think the golf balls equal antifreeze or whatever you put in them does not stay at the same spot when you are at high speed the centrifical force of the rotating weight causes an out of round tire to basically bulge out in the low spots and run round i personally run 1 quart of {dex cool} gm antifreze in each of my 38's and can hit about 70 before the jeep starts shaking antifreeze wont damage the rims because it isnt a solid object it wont rust because of the corosion inhibitors it wont freeze doesnt make dust or clog valve stems like equal and you cant hear it in the tires like golf balls or bb's and best of all you can balance all of your tires for about $5-7 the only down side is you smell antifreeze when airing down and if you cut a sidewall it is a mess to clean up that is if you are responsibe for the enviroment and dont give the tree huggers anything to bitch about

Originally posted by Keith Haw
I got them at a truckstop. Talked to a field rep at the Las Vegas truck show a few years ago. Here's there web site. Balance Masters. (http://www.balancemasters.com/)
They work great on my 18 wheeler. I average 200k miles on a set of steer tires with them. Before I was lucky to get 150K.

Keith

looked at there web page, they are not made for our trucks.

Originally posted by RockHammered
ok, i dont get it. how does putting golf balls or any other relatively heavy round things, mouse balls, bb's etc balance a tire? If the tire is egg shaped, wouldnt the golf balls tend to collect in the ends of the egg, making the problem worse? How do the golf balls "know" where to go to counter balance and out of round or unbalanced tire? How Balance Masters Works
Balance Masters works on the basic principles of physics.

Vibrational Resonance is the up and down vibration pattern created by a rotating tire and wheel that is out of balance, forcing the fluid which is free-moving within the ring to positions along the ring, which exactly offset any light and heavy spots, thereby eliminating the vibration and creating equilibrium within the rotating mass. Once properly positioned, Centrifugal Force holds the fluid in that position unless a different vibrational resonance pattern develops from tire wear or from stones, mud or ice sticking to the tire or wheel, which instantly forces the fluid to its new equilibrium positions.

In short, Balance Masters precisely, continually, instantly and dynamically self-adjusts to tire and wheel imbalance because nature MUST have equilibrium, and natural forces will act on the counter-balancing fluid to eliminate vibrational resonance and disequilibrium.

However, when sudden braking or slowing occurs, the fluids continue to spin for several revolutions until they slow down to the wheel speed. Therefore, the fluid moving at high speed and weighing nearly 28 ounces per wheel whip around the ring at ten to fifteen revolutions per second. This weight, when pulled by gravity over the top of the wheel, "falls" over the front side of the wheel where the force is created which "pulls" the wheel down onto the pavement-JUST WHEN YOU NEED IT TO-on sudden braking over hard bumps or across sheets of water to create a road-hugging controlability and anti-sway, anti-drift and anti-trailer hop and bounce effect that amazes so many of our customers, especially the flammable and chemical haulers who religiously put balance masters on their trailer axles.

Balance Masters utilizes the natural forces created by 20,000 plus pounds of truck rolling down the highway to reduce vibration and create better handling in a very simple yet effective way. The physics were understood and put to work as early as 1908 by German scientists. American engineers perfected the idea in the late 1930's and early 1940's when they needed to find a way to perfectly, precisely and continuously balance a new-fangled invention...the jet turbine engine.

The Balance Master is a tested and proven device which works on long understood and basic engineering principles.

The major components of the balance masters are the ring and the fluid (mercury), both an integral part of what makes the balancer work. Both work in cooperation and are precisely proportioned in order for the physics to function properly.

thanks seabass:p you new all that from heart? right???


i think that i will take all of the weights off my swampers and try the antifreeze??? i will buy the seirra brand that the animals can drink and not die:beer: unlike everyone else


Cliff

Originally posted by e cliff
thanks seabass:p you new all that from heart? right???


i think that i will take all of the weights off my swampers and try the antifreeze??? i will buy the seirra brand that the animals can drink and not die:beer: unlike everyone else


Cliff

It was right there on the page "Balance Masters" the link was left, but as usual people[RockHammered] won't look it up themselves:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Look for a full PRODUCT REVIEW on IMI's Equal coming up in a few weeks! I'll have the complete lowdown.I have talked to there engineer on the phone, he is sending me out all I need for my 16/35 boggers and full support.

http://www.centramatic.com/

300 series or 400 series

mount behind the wheel and automatically balences 'em

http://www.rockcrawler.com/techreports/centramatic/

heres RockCrawler.com's review

Originally posted by ComputerCowboy
http://www.centramatic.com/

300 series or 400 series

mount behind the wheel and automatically balences 'em

http://www.rockcrawler.com/techreports/centramatic/

heres RockCrawler.com's review

not out yet says "coming soon" so no info or $$, I wrote them, we will see what they say.

Originally posted by cbassett
4 golf balls in each of my 36" TSLs tamed them enough for 75-80mph on the highway. Something happens around 68-70, where the tires get bouncy, but it smooths out over 70.

Just added 1 more ball to each tire, no more bouncy until well faster than I care to go in my Jeep.

Originally posted by SeaBass44


not out yet says "coming soon" so no info or $$, I wrote them, we will see what they say.

Well huh that sucks. I've seen them on TJ's and a couple Crown Vic's I have theit brocure I picked up at a truck stop some where around here.

Billavista, why would you expect the same weight be needed using BB's as the wheel weights? The BB's be further out from the center than the weights were- requiring less weight right??

You are right on. the 8 oz's I started with per tire is nowhere near the amount of regular wheel weights required...the tire balancer claimed something like 20oz EACH SIDE on the worst one.

i came up with 8 ozs by asking the folks who make EQUAL what they thought I would need for a tire my size (in Equal, not in BB's :p - turns out I wish I'd taken their recommendation and added 50%.

I only used traditional wheel weights to "measure out" the bb's since they were the only thing I had handy of known weight.

Clear as mud now?;)

Originally posted by SeaBass44


not out yet says "coming soon" so no info or $$, I wrote them, we will see what they say.

Go for it, i was able to get some from them
I really like it, I started out with 10oz a tire, last night I dropped in another 6 oz, Now i just need to drive someone where to heat up the SX's first (38's with beadlocks)

Originally posted by SeaBass44
The major components of the balance masters are the ring and the fluid (mercury) Mercury like in the element mercury? :eek:
Shouldn't that poisonous stuff be out of all products by now?! :confused:

Has anyone had anyone ever tried a Harbor Freight tire balancer? I saw one over the weekend, it was $39. It's an old style bubble balancer, I'm sure they work but I don't know how well.

They have them on ebay too.

Originally posted by Gozuki
I think I would avoid lime in my tires....And I would also avoid using a torch to trim magnesium:rolleyes:

Ya big wuss! Next you'll be telling us it isn't a good idea to trim nose hair with power drill or clean out ear wax with a .357!

(I don't know what the hell the deal is with all the personal grooming references on my part... ;-)

I don't know what the hell the deal is with all the personal grooming references on my part

Me niether...but maybe your screen name gives a clue :flipoff2:

Funny fawker tho...:D

BUBLLE BALANCERS work fine if you have the pateince to balance it perfectly by the bubble.

Spin blanacers are set up to try and find a happy medium of where the tire requires weights.

Rotating weights are better and require a smaller amount of weight. because they are going to the exact area of need. for weighht.


hows that for 5 Full Sail Ale's?

Thats wierd how does it work?

Originally posted by cooljosh
Thats wierd how does it work?
comprehend what u read, I told U how it works:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

That's it I am going for it.

I have the Swampers removed right now and teh Mall Poser 35" Wild Countrys on it so I can stand to drive it around.

The Swamps will get filled with 7 1/2 birdshot this week. I will post on how it works.

centramatic will be sending me a set as soon as they get the tooling done to make them, look for a complete Product Review on them! Equal sent me a box of there Product and the correct aplacator to install it into the tires, I will have a complete Review up soon, so don't forget to check the Product Review's on the homepage! I have a U-Bolt flip kit Review up now of A.O.R>'s U-Bolts, they rok!

Put 6 balls in each of my 38.5x16.5 tsl's. Cant say that it rides like a car but it smoothed out my death wobble a little bit. I did what i would expect 15 minutes worth of work would. To every body else i say give it a try. As for noise these tires are so loud you cant hear anything else.

I still haven't read a physics based post why it works - chill :beer: SEABASS- not even on Centramatics page only that it does by the weights mystically going to where they need to be.

It seems the majority of posts are saying it worked... to varrying degrees....anyone out there saying they tried it and it didn't help? Golfball Placebo maybe??

Originally posted by hybrid
I still haven't read a physics based post why it works - chill :beer: SEABASS- not even on Centramatics page only that it does by the weights mystically going to where they need to be.

It seems the majority of posts are saying it worked... to varrying degrees....anyone out there saying they tried it and it didn't help? Golfball Placebo maybe??

ill tempers bass don't chill? try "ask jeeves.com" or "how stuff works" might find the tech answer there, or I could tell u the easy answer, "it just does":flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

OK hybrid here it goes. basicly its a counter balance. as the tire spins a heavy side will begin to form (egg) or deform the tire. as this happens the centrifcal force of the faster spinning (weighted side) creates a slower region in the tire (non weighted side) the tire, tries to rotate around the section with the slower speed. This can't happens since the tire is fixed in the center. The egg shape forms in the tire. the weights will move to the slower speed area and even out the weight imbalance ( this is because all things seek a level ground against gravity). The tires gravity is controlled by centrifical force, centrifical force always has two axis's however its axsis will be radial in all aspects. with a perfect spin you have all X,Y radial axis points the same. with a deformed spin you will have dominate and non dominate axis.

This is exaserbated in balancing larger tires because the heavy are in the tire may be out of center. Or in more than one location.

Clear as Mud
But I hope that helps. It's the best I can remember from Phisics.

Wait I didn't take Phisics, Just "junk yard" 101.

any weighted movable or flowing objects inside the tires will work to accomplish this. Golf Balls. Lead weights, Water, left over hot dogs, Cow chips, whatever.

Originally posted by ItsaCJ6
But I hope that helps. It's the best I can remember from Phisics.

Wait I didn't take Phisics, Just "junk yard" 101.



Or spelling either :D

You guys are so damn funny!! I'm Laughing my ass off and even the dog came in to see what's up!!:D Iwould use the bbs or golf balls instead of the antifreeze. It would be hell trying to find a radiator shop to fix your tire if you poke a hole in one!on the other hand:laughing: I hope nobody shoots their spotters eye out with a bb, or kills themselves should a golfball manage to squeeze past the valve stem:trooper: By the way how would a person tell if any of this made noise unless you jumped out of the truck at just the right time while stopping:confused: Just curious!!;) It's so nice to be in such twisted company!

I put 6 golf balls in each of my 38.5x14.50-16.5 SX's on my hummer rims when I initially mounted them and had a continuous death wobble problem. I then took out the golf balls and the probelem all but dissapeared, with no form of balancing, now tomorrow I'm going to get them balanced by a shop, and hopefully trhe probelem will be gone.

Originally posted by ItsaCJ6
OK hybrid here it goes. basicly its a counter balance. as the tire spins a heavy side will begin to form (egg) or deform the tire. as this happens the centrifcal force of the faster spinning (weighted side) creates a slower region in the tire (non weighted side) the tire, tries to rotate around the section with the slower speed. This can't happens since the tire is fixed in the center. The egg shape forms in the tire. the weights will move to the slower speed area and even out the weight imbalance ( this is because all things seek a level ground against gravity). The tires gravity is controlled by centrifical force, centrifical force always has two axis's however its axsis will be radial in all aspects. with a perfect spin you have all X,Y radial axis points the same. with a deformed spin you will have dominate and non dominate axis.

This is exaserbated in balancing larger tires because the heavy are in the tire may be out of center. Or in more than one location.

Clear as Mud
But I hope that helps. It's the best I can remember from Phisics.

Wait I didn't take Phisics, Just "junk yard" 101.

any weighted movable or flowing objects inside the tires will work to accomplish this. Golf Balls. Lead weights, Water, left over hot dogs, Cow chips, whatever. [/B]

Spelling aside, another amusing thing about this post is that there is no such thing as "centrifical force." :flipoff2:
That is a common misconception though...

There is "centifugal" and "centripetal," but no "centrifical." :p

centrifugal force
n.
The apparent force, equal and opposite to the centripetal force, drawing a rotating body away from the center of rotation, caused by the inertia of the body.

centripetal force
n.
The component of force acting on a body in curvilinear motion that is directed toward the center of curvature or axis of rotation. Centripetal force is necessary for an object to move with circular motion.

So you mean centrifugal force. I noticed SeaBass got it right though. ;)


I've been meaning to try some AF or BB's in my tires, but haven't gotten around to it yet... :emb4:

Originally posted by ErikB

. I noticed SeaBass got it right though. ;)




Yup the power of COPY/PASTE:p :p :p :p :p :p :p

I've seen BBs in 250-count boxes. Maybe he used 3 of them per tire. Just maybe.

Thanks EriKB
At least I spoke up and tried to help someone out here, you however waited till reply 79 to interject your cut paste. Not to mention waited till it was nice and safe to step out on the battle feild and back stab the poor speller. It's very easy to say(hey you dip shit you fawked up). Isn't it?

What I wrote was correct, even if I didn't type it purrrrfectlllyyy Darling.

Ok sanity check:egg shape....
So what you are saying is the ring on centramatic is also changing to this egg shape?

Originally posted by ItsaCJ6
Thanks EriKB
At least I spoke up and tried to help someone out here, you however waited till reply 79 to interject your cut paste. Not to mention waited till it was nice and safe to step out on the battle feild and back stab the poor speller. It's very easy to say(hey you dip shit you fawked up). Isn't it?

What I wrote was correct, even if I didn't type it purrrrfectlllyyy Darling.

You get "back stab" out of me saying you made a mistake that I felt was "common" and "amusing" !?!?

Come awn-Remember this? (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37733&highlight=bitching) :rolleyes:

FWIW, I used to use the same word (centrifical), until I took high school physics and learned what I cut & pasted... which is why I found it amusing. :p
Feel better? :flipoff2:

I would really like to give you guys a report on how the balls have worked out for me but trail ready has not sent me my wheels yet:mad3: I ordered them nine weeks ago. They claim its a supplyer problem. I dont care what the problem is i just want to go wheelin. If i dont make the rubicon by the 4th of July ill be pissed. :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:
Anyway enough for my rant. I will get a full report to all of you as soon as i get my wheels. Thanks again to all of you for you insight.