Ok. I have some questions. I am going to possibly pick up that scout I was talking about earlier. The guy said it is a 65 with the "Slant" 4 and a stick. He said that it was just a little longer than his jeep so I am thinking it is an 800 or something? He also told me that it was geared lower because of the 4 cyl?? I dunno what that means?? Also I am courious what kind of axles it has and what kind of T-case is in it?? and what the possible ratio's were??

Thanks guys and let the :mad3: :nuke: begin!

-Jon:question:

If it’s a 65 then its got



18 xfer 2:46
t-90 trans 3:33:barf: or t-98/18 close 4:1:D
Axles are most likely Dana 27:barf: with 4:27 gears



pretty much all junk.

Get ready to do some swappin if you wanna run it hard and if the body is rusted …don’t bother with it


(Disclaimer) Don’t quote me on the ratios but they are close if not correct


Oh yeah.. if it does have the short shaft 4 speed that is really hard to find:D

the body is actually in pretty good shape:eek: but is it an 800?? I really have no idea. so it came stock with 4.27 gears?? good god! what would be a good swap and can a 345 be swapped in easy??

-Jon:question:

A fellow named “scout dude” will tell you all about the 4cyl frame:cool:

65 should have the fold down windshield:smokin: :smokin: :smokin:

Yeah i think it did if i remember right! umm so what is the wb i assume it will be around 100".


-Jon:question:

fold down windsheild = Scout 80 (almost all the time).

'65 I belive is still Scout 80. 100" wheel base

Rear axle *may* be a D44, with 2-piece shafts :barf:

4-cylinders are good, most likly a 152. You can build the bigger 196 for it and direct swap in. IH V-8's require front crossmember modification, no imposible, but not bolt in.

Other V-8's also fit but I'm partial to IH motors :D :smokin:


Axles can be swaped, as can drive train... as nessesary.

I'd say get it, and wheel it, upgrade as things bust. Scout II D44's look good, only about 1-2" wider. PS is dificult, but not imposible, search and you will see some info on it as well as other 80/800 modes.



FYI, the 80 and 800's are esentualy the same vehicle. There are differances, and you will find them out. But basicaly they are the same.

Just because its a 65 doesnt mean it has the spicer 18 or a D27 rear.
They made these things in almost every config.
If your rear differential is offset to the pass. side then you have a spicer 18 with most likely a 3 spd. t-90
If the t-case and diff are not offset its a d20
feel free to correct me but I have never heard of or seen a spicer 18 with a center rear diff.
axles could be d44 or d27 rears with d27 or d30 fronts I believe. Either way the only thing you would to keep want is a d44 rear.
Especially if its hooked to a spicer 18.
You will find out alot by trans also. I'm not saying it did not happen but I have only seen spicer 18's with 3spd trans. t case coud be twin stick and be either a d20 or s18
all the s18 I have seen were twin stick
again, the moment I say they didnt build it one way someone will post calling me a jackass cause theyve got one in their driveway.

but as a general rule...
your in business if it has the larger 4cyl 196
you make these into a high compression tourque monster pretty easy
As usual this place has complete info on everything I have said and more
binder bulletin (http://www.binderbulletin.org)

Thanks guys you are helping a lot. I have noticed that their are not a lot of off the shelf lift options. just 4" leaf packs. I am looking at maybe a coil over but I am on a small budget any suggestions on that??

-Jon:question:

Originally posted by cornfedred
A fellow named “scout dude” will tell you all about the 4cyl frame:cool:


Never heard of him:smokin:


65= Scout 80..fold down windshield (Please keep in mind that I am IH stupid and I am incorrect quite often!)

Coil overs on an 80...your going to have frame issues unless you use full width axles...there isn't a whole lot of room in there..probably can be done, but make sure that you think it out before you start buying parts. Another lift option is to use the early cj5 lift kits...they used 1.75" width springs

About fitting a v-8 in the 4 cyl spot..see the www link below...ask questions here PLEASE DON'T PM ME FOR ANSWERS...I get too many PM just dealing with Calrocs.... Just ask here and I or anyone else can assit you with fitting a v-8 in there.


Justin: They did offer the centered rear and offset t-case.

Bronc: If you do have an 18...save the gears and put them into a 20.

As for axle swaps...use a waggoneer front axle and swap ford outers on it to get it to 5 lug....it's just a bit wider than a Scout II, Cheaper brake set up, better hubs (Internal), and stronger stub shafts.

For the rear, don't waste your time with a 44 unless you plan on sticking with >35's and have a light foot. Build a SF 60 and call it good.

I have a set of 37x13x15R boggers that I would like to use, but I am having a hard time finding lifts. Am I going to have fab all of it?? I just threw coils out there for a suggestion I would rather use leafs but I dunno what I am going to have to do to clear 37's I have a sawzall and I know how to use it but how much is going to be needed??

-Jon:question:

My suggestion would be to swap out the entire springs to a set of lifted YJ ones or wagoneer ones if you feel like stretching the WB. I use Wagoneer ones on the front and I currently run 36's cuz I'm too poor to buy 38's:( ...btw...if you have a Scout, get used to the sawzall!

Also, if you run a narrow front axle, your tires will rub on the springs when turning. My 36's hit on the 2.5" wide waggoneer ones with my old 62" wms D44. My new front axle is 64"...hopefully I won't have as much trouble.

are the yj springs bolt on?? and if i run a soa and a shackle kit will the 37's fit. and add in the obvios sawzall mods. i know i am being a total newbie. I searched and i didnt find what i was looking for so I am asking. sorry all.

-Jon:question:

the YJ springs are not a bolt on...you need to cut the mounts off...this would be a good time to do a Shackle reversal if you want one...

I think that you should probably use 3.5-4" lifted YJ springs and some Sawzall work to clear 37's...this is without a body lift though...I don't use a body lift.

Originally posted by bronc_crwlr
are the yj springs bolt on??

Welcome to Binder ownership, nothing bolts on. You own a real vehicle that requires you to fab each and every part.

BTW, the drivers side wheel studs are left hand thread. You can buy me a :beer: for saving you a large headache.

yeah i refuse to use body lifts. what brand of springs should i look into. I have skyjackers on my ford. What all needs to be modified to fit the springs??

-Jon:question:

Do a spring over with 4 inch lift springs and a little fender triming and you will be able to fit them, use S11 or wag axles and you'll be fine.

that seems to be the current plan along with a reversal kit. my big question is the motor will it hold up or am i in for a long v8 swap??

-Jon:question:

Does the motor run? If so, how good? Those are good torque motors. But same gas MPG as V8.

LOL yeah i kinda figured. it will be a trail only and yes it runs pretty well. i drove it a little and iit seemed fine.

-Jon:question:

what gears usually came in the ssII axles?? and what kind of things can be done the the 4 cyl to boost the power and can the projection kit be used with it??

-Jon:question:

Anything from 2.72 to 4.09, but I'd wager fully 75% of them were 3.54 or 3.73, with 3.54 the most dominant by far.

For the 196: port the exhaust side of the head, mostly by opening the sides up a bit and cutting away at the roof, particularly if you have air injection bosses cast into the middle of the ports. The area behind the valves, below the valveseats, has some sharp corners that can be radiused very easily, and polished. Get a freeflowing exhaust system. Port match the manifolds, but don't remove any material or polish the intake side, it's already too big IMO. Take at least .040 off the head while you've got it apart to do the porting, that little bit really wakes it up but isn't enough to start pinging real bad.

I don't know about the projection, but the intake is designed to run a single barrel carburetor, such as the Holley 1904 (read: a 2bbl won't bolt on to the manifold without some machine work).

The stock cam kicks major ass for rock crawling, but will still breath adequately at higher rpm if you open the head up. Remember, this engine is literally half of a 392 v-8, and as such has fairly large valves, etc.. already. The bore is 4.125", stroke is 3.656".

You could always figure out a way to turbocharge it. :D

You can give the engine hell, it's pretty damn hard to kill one of these, though I've some stories of trying.... It'll run without oil and without water, too, without seizing. It will run with a blown head gasket, it will run with a broken connecting rod, etc... BTDT. The only thing it won't do is run past a gas station.

Originally posted by bronc_crwlr
what gears usually came in the ssII axles?? and what kind of things can be done the the 4 cyl to boost the power and can the projection kit be used with it??

-Jon:question:

P.S.

I've done the whole "put an IH v-8 in a 4 cyl scout 80/800" thing, so I too can answer questions if you decide to go that route right away. Just post em on the IH forum though, no PM's (or not many at least) because it might as well be general information, and I'm more likely to respond on here.

Sean

I am pretty sure the motor is a 152. so i dont know if that changes anything. how hard is the 192 to swap in?? I have herd that snoopy is runnin stock springs and seems to do pretty well. Otherrs have told me to run lifted yj springs, but what brand should I look into?? Also I believe that the gas tank has some rust holes in it. I was going to run a fuel cell any way. so any suggestions on a fuel cell would greatly help. I did a search on fuel cells and didnt come up with much.

thanks again,

-Jon:question:

Originally posted by bronc_crwlr
I am pretty sure the motor is a 152. so i dont know if that changes anything. how hard is the 192 to swap in?? I have herd that snoopy is runnin stock springs and seems to do pretty well. Otherrs have told me to run lifted yj springs, but what brand should I look into?? Also I believe that the gas tank has some rust holes in it. I was going to run a fuel cell any way. so any suggestions on a fuel cell would greatly help. I did a search on fuel cells and didnt come up with much.

thanks again,

-Jon:question:

If it is a 152 and it runs good...then leave it...(only cuz it's for trails only- otherwise you'd be a road hazzard) Just gear it a little lower to compensate.

Snoopy had to cut a little more than most to run stock springs..do it if you like, Me..I like it to look a little bit like a Scout.

Fuel Cell: check out Summit Racing. They had them for a decent price.

A 196 from an 800 is a bolt in swap, and a very discernable torque & power difference at that. Worth the effort if you can find a good running one in your neck of the woods. I've got one in my shed in Mt. Shasta that runs tits, it's the shiat, but I'm not sure I want to let it go yet.

Fuel cells: Hasn't there been a thread for the last two or three weeks here in the IH forum on polymer fuel tank replacements for 80/800's? I haven't been following it but you might check it out for additional info besides the Summitt thing Scout Dude mentioned.

The stock springs, if not too flat already, will actually do better than you'd expect. We eventually were breaking springs too often so have totally different stuff now, but there's nothing wrong with the stockers if they are in decent shape. You might consider adding some flat leaves into the packs to strengthen them, preferably a 2nd leaf that supports the main leaf over its entire length. Don't worry about making it too stiff, because if you actually go out and use it, the springs will soften up plenty and sag again in no time at all. They do need ample support though if you expect them to live through the extreme deformations they'll see in a soa setup, after 30 years of abuse already.

Just wheel the thing until it breaks, then worry about it. :D

:beer:

yeah i checkes that thread out and I even posted on it but i was the last so I didnt get any info i needed out of it. I know where to find them I am just wondering with a 4 cyl and a trail only a 15 should be plenty. I am really trying to find pics if the insallation. I have seen some already installed but they were just pick of the cell mounted. how much will a soa give me??

-Jon:question:

Originally posted by bronc_crwlr
yeah i checkes that thread out and I even posted on it but i was the last so I didnt get any info i needed out of it. I know where to find them I am just wondering with a 4 cyl and a trail only a 15 should be plenty. I am really trying to find pics if the insallation. I have seen some already installed but they were just pick of the cell mounted. how much will a soa give me??

-Jon:question:

Fuel Cell: I didn't end up buying it afterall so I can't help you there...However, I was just going to put it in the bed and have the sump drop below the floor.

SOA with stock springs...here's an Idea:

SOA, with add-a-leafs and 32" tires

And here it is with about 2" additional shackle lift and 36's...(Keep in mind..I DID NOT WHEEL IT LIKE THIS:eek: ) I swapped axles, springs, etc shortly afterwards and then cut the fenders out.

thats looks pretty sweet. what all goes into a soa?? just moving the perches?? I did a search on the BB and i didnt find the info i was looking for. my fab skills are limited so i am considering buying my RS. who should i look for??

-Jon:question:

Originally posted by bronc_crwlr
thats looks pretty sweet. what all goes into a soa?? just moving the perches?? I did a search on the BB and i didnt find the info i was looking for. my fab skills are limited so i am considering buying my RS. who should i look for??

-Jon:question:

Uhh..You own a Scout...better buy a welder and get some fab skills...cuz you won't get far without them. I don't know if anyone makes a kit for Scouts...ask Snoopy (D & C extreme) Sounds like you need to either get out there and make this your learning project or drop it off at a shop and tell them what you want done.

a buddy of mine has a welder and i have made some things for my bronco. he also has a tube bender so i have all the tools i just need the practice. I have been messing around with some things but nothing worth anything just trying to get used to it and seeing how it all works.

-Jon:question:

Originally posted by Bindernut
A 196 from an 800 is a bolt in swap, and a very discernable torque & power difference at that. Worth the effort if you can find a good running one in your neck of the woods. I've got one in my shed in Mt. Shasta that runs tits, it's the shiat, but I'm not sure I want to let it go yet.

Fuel cells: Hasn't there been a thread for the last two or three weeks here in the IH forum on polymer fuel tank replacements for 80/800's? I haven't been following it but you might check it out for additional info besides the Summitt thing Scout Dude mentioned.

The stock springs, if not too flat already, will actually do better than you'd expect. We eventually were breaking springs too often so have totally different stuff now, but there's nothing wrong with the stockers if they are in decent shape. You might consider adding some flat leaves into the packs to strengthen them, preferably a 2nd leaf that supports the main leaf over its entire length. Don't worry about making it too stiff, because if you actually go out and use it, the springs will soften up plenty and sag again in no time at all. They do need ample support though if you expect them to live through the extreme deformations they'll see in a soa setup, after 30 years of abuse already.

Just wheel the thing until it breaks, then worry about it. :D

:beer:

I'm thinking about throwing my AAL's back in (Sorry Tom ;) ) but I'll decide that after Memorial Day Weekend.

Here's the 800A with extended shackles, add-a-leaves, and 1" body lift, on 31" mudders:

...and here it is with same everything as above, including 196, but soa and 33x12.50's:

what about running a ford 9" and a front 44 both off a 79 bronco?? Is running full size axles good or bad??

-Jon:question:

Wrong side diff...but 460 Scout put an entire F150 into his Scout II...Motor,tranny, t-case, axles, coils, etc

ahhh didn't take that into consideration. thats what i get for thinking:rolleyes: .

-Jon:question:

By the way, I meant to ask you Bronco crawler, doesn't that Scout have dual saddle tanks? They're 10 gallons apiece y'know.

My brother is in the midst of installing a SII gas tank in the back of his 800A, between the framerails, in addition to the two stock saddle tanks, for 39 gallon capacity. I'll try to get some pictures from him as soon as he finishes that up.

Sean

i cant remember what it had on it all i know is that they are shot and there isnt much left of them. i am going to look at agan tomarrow so i check that out.

-Jon:question:

ok heres the deal. It is a 66' 800. it has the 196. under the hood there was a plate mounted to it that said the HP was 96.4 and it gave some other numbers that i couldnt determine. it has a 3 speed with a twin stick t-case.

-Jon:question:

If it has a 196 then somebody swapped it, because the 196 was usually rated at 110 hp on the tag on the firewall.

How did you determine it was a 196 and not a 152? They quit using the 152 not long after that though...

well i thought i read somewhere thats what their hp was. however i just looked on someones site and saw that the 152 have 86.9 hp and the 196 has 110. I am not sure. but the tag said something about the hp.

-Jon:question: