ok, i had the missing links for a while and they worked out great for me, i have the complete cj7 spring springs(front cjs in front and rears in rear....) and i just blew off the missing link support on the front(the thing that holds the bump stop for the missing links to rest on) and just woundering what you guys think i should do, keep the links or relocate the stock shackle mount foward to use regular shackles???
thanks.....
and i don't want to go S/R.......... i will be extending the frame out with a bumper/winch mount........
l8r

keepem, hell if i changed everything because it broke one time, id never get to wheel, id always be changin something. really, if you liked the added flex and can deal with the off camber actions, then why change? but then if you dont like their performance, lose'm.

i could keep em, but the cj7 front springs are pretty flexy and i don't think i need that much flex around here.....

As long as your staying standard config Milke Keep em hell I liked mine so much I even used them after S/R only problem now is the driveshaft need's alot of spline so I'm ditchen them for the moment.

yeah, but the problems i'm having with them is hard to belive, and around here i don't think i need missing links, the cj springs are probility soft enough........
l8r

Give up on 'em and ship 'em to me.

i love mine

No more links on mine. :)

I unloaded my links on a buddy, so you can't have them. :flipoff2:

I put them on a buddies rig, and wheeled it around a bit. I forgot about all of the :rasta: side to side junk, and how they like to open on steep climbs.

I will not miss them. I'm now running an even longer flatter spring, and expect it to be tighter side to side, and flex about the same. I need to finish off the project to see.

Doing a frame extension and moving the spring mount forward is pretty easy, and since you don't need the extra flex where you are, I'd say, go for it!

I should point out that my approach to building a rig is a little different then many. Mine is not a trailer queen (more of a garage queen these days) it sees all types of wheeling except mud. (We don't have any.) I have driven it 700 miles, wheeled it for a week, and driven it home (twice). That is not unusual for me. Heck, I'm going 400 miles this weekend to fill a passenger seat for a trail run. My 2 main goals for my rig are sand dunes and Moab. building for those two pretty much takes care of the rest.

Anyhow, I hope that adds a little spice to the collection.

-Wayne

thanks, i think i am going to get rid of them, for 3 main reasons, 1.) don't realy need that much flex here
2.) I'm having more problems with them than any other thing i ever did to it.......
3.) i don't think there going to like the missing links when i go to get it inspected.....
thanks guys....
:beer:

I'm glad you are getting rid of them. These things are dangerous.
They cause rigs to flip. And as far as the flex is concerned, its a myth. The missing link gives you axle droop. Dont confuse this with flex.

Originally posted by MudKick
I'm glad you are getting rid of them. These things are dangerous.
They cause rigs to flip. And as far as the flex is concerned, its a myth. The missing link gives you axle droop. Dont confuse this with flex.


listen to the newbie go..........:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:
axle drop is a form of flex as far as i'm concerned........ but thanks anyway.........newbie:flipoff2:

Originally posted by MudKick
And as far as the flex is concerned, its a myth. The missing link gives you axle droop. Dont confuse this with flex.

:) Sweet :)
Finally a ray of light thru all the smoke and mirrors... :D
It's nice to see that some people are catching on.

OK, I may not be a big fan of the missing link, but I would not call them unsafe, nor would I say they roll vehicles. If you are going to make statements like that, please back them up a bit better.

-Wayne

Originally posted by mud-magnet



listen to the newbie go..........:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:
axle drop is a form of flex as far as i'm concerned........ but thanks anyway.........newbie:flipoff2:
Mud magnet, why don’t you pull that thing on your neck outta your thing between your lower cheeks that smells pretty bad and do some homework after you clean your eyes from the brownish substance, that resembles mud but ain’t so next time I will refrain from referring to you as a something else-magnet.
You are so ill-bred and ignorantly narrow focused that just seeing a word newbie under someone’s name causes you to turn yourself inside out.
See, the problem is that sometimes its hard to see from the lower intestine, without swimming in your own “juice”. If everyone had your attitude we would still be in a single cell stage.
Do your homework and check a little difference between drop and droop, buddy.

Sink, go limp, wilt, fade, flop, droop, not drop.:barf:


(Homer voice): "axle drop is a form of flex... that's funny"

Originally posted by rotozuk
OK, I may not be a big fan of the missing link, but I would not call them unsafe, nor would I say they roll vehicles. If you are going to make statements like that, please back them up a bit better.

-Wayne

They are unsafe and they do roll vehicles.
1. Try going 50 miles/Hr and stomp on your brakes. What happens to your missing links? They transfer all the weight of the vehicle to the front spring's front, pick up leverage and twist the front of your front springs downward. Now, try to negotiate an emergency turn. You will spin out. And yes, possibly roll, compliments of the missing link.

2. You are on the trail in an off camber situation, you are almost "flexed out", but you think you're OK because all 4 wheels are on the ground, you come off that rock that was leaning you to the right, and your left wheel falls down into another, opposite off camber situation. What happens"? You roll as the missing link only looked to have kept your axles loaded when you were on that rock, but in reality they were just hanging freely, just like hanging in the air. So when you came down from the obstacle the other side did not get loaded as soon as your wheel touch down, instead, it kept picking up momentum as your missing link was doing its flip flopping, multiplying the rolling momentum in the process.
That is the difference between the flex and droop.

:laughing:............ OMF, thats the best newbie yet........... sorry newbie, just fawking around, didn't mean to make ya "POP".............:flipoff2: :laughing:

Originally posted by MudKick


They are unsafe and they do roll vehicles.
1. Try going 50 miles/Hr and stomp on your brakes. What happens to your missing links? They transfer all the weight of the vehicle to the front spring's front, pick up leverage and twist the front of your front springs downward. Now, try to negotiate an emergency turn. You will spin out. And yes, possibly roll, compliments of the missing link.

2. You are on the trail in an off camber situation, you are almost "flexed out", but you think you're OK because all 4 wheels are on the ground, you come off that rock that was leaning you to the right, and your left wheel falls down into another, opposite off camber situation. What happens"? You roll as the missing link only looked to have kept your axles loaded when you were on that rock, but in reality they were just hanging freely, just like hanging in the air. So when you came down from the obstacle the other side did not get loaded as soon as your wheel touch down, instead, it kept picking up momentum as your missing link was doing its flip flopping, multiplying the rolling momentum in the process.
That is the difference between the flex and droop.

sounds like ya know your missing link shit.......... but thats not why i'm getting rid of em, just cause i have problems with the rests, them folding the wrong way, and not opening sometimes when i need them, i think i'd get a better result with regular shackles........

Well, I drove my rig when it had missing links at over 100 mph on the highway, and I think anyone that has filled my passenger seat will tell you that I am not a calm driver. Even with missing links, I was throwing it into turns on mountain roads, passing passenger cars. (But I had to be careful as an error meant all kinds of body roll, and crossing into the other lane.)

I admit that I do not care for the missing links, but I do not feel they are a cause of rolls.

I never managed to open my links on the road except under heavy accleration when I managed to reverse a link on the back axle. Keep in mind that I have an engine swap in mine.

In your #2 example, if you didn't not have a flexy suspension, do you think you would have gotten to the same point? I think your links allowed to to get into bigger trouble, thus thr roll. I'd also gues that you shocks were to soft. Since as you pointed out, the link alows basically axle float, you need heavy shocking to help control the transitions.

In your first example, I guess my brakes never worked that well.. ?

You do bring up good points about the links. They do come at a price in vehicle handling, and all users should be aware of these issues, and adapt your driving to match.

-Wayne


Originally posted by MudKick


They are unsafe and they do roll vehicles.
1. Try going 50 miles/Hr and stomp on your brakes. What happens to your missing links? They transfer all the weight of the vehicle to the front spring's front, pick up leverage and twist the front of your front springs downward. Now, try to negotiate an emergency turn. You will spin out. And yes, possibly roll, compliments of the missing link.

2. You are on the trail in an off camber situation, you are almost "flexed out", but you think you're OK because all 4 wheels are on the ground, you come off that rock that was leaning you to the right, and your left wheel falls down into another, opposite off camber situation. What happens"? You roll as the missing link only looked to have kept your axles loaded when you were on that rock, but in reality they were just hanging freely, just like hanging in the air. So when you came down from the obstacle the other side did not get loaded as soon as your wheel touch down, instead, it kept picking up momentum as your missing link was doing its flip flopping, multiplying the rolling momentum in the process.
That is the difference between the flex and droop.

First off, Sorry Mud-magnet for losing it a bit, I get a bit oversensitive about all that Newbie she-et. :flipoff2: me. ...there..

And rotozuk, the missing link by itself will not flip your vehicle. Off course, as with any modification, the missing link requires driver's attention, and adjustment in their driving style to compensate.
I guess what I am saying is that missing link, from all the popular mods I know of is the most useles one on the trail. It only performs well in one environment only: on the ramp, as it gives the illusion of flex and therefore a good score, but on the trail it is very difficult to get a good traction (maybe even mpossible) from the dangling wheel. So for all it's worth, why go with a mod that has so many shortcommings (and I will stress safety, as not everyone is a perfect driver) to gain an illusion of something that is not even really functional which by the rules of this very board I understand is :rainbow:.
Anyways, :beer:

PS, what are you running for an engine rotozuk (the name suggests mazda rotary) to get up to 100 M/Hr???:eek:

Originally posted by MudKick
So for all it's worth, why go with a mod that has so many shortcommings (and I will stress safety, as not everyone is a perfect driver) to gain an illusion of something that is not even really functional which by the rules of this very board I understand is :rainbow:.
Anyways, :beer:

PS, what are you running for an engine rotozuk (the name suggests mazda rotary) to get up to 100 M/Hr???:eek:

On the Missing Links subject, lets just say that they are not the first choice for either one of us. :emb: You have issues with them, and I have another set of issues with them.

On the engine swap, I did 100 mph with my old engine swap , a VW 1.8 gas engine. The new swap is still in progress, and it is a Mazda 13B rotary. This project has taken on a life all its own. I just hope to have it running by SOR as I'd really like to the the Con this year. You can hit the WWW button below for a write up on the project.

-Wayne

Originally posted by MudKick
First off, Sorry Mud-magnet for losing it a bit, I get a bit oversensitive about all that Newbie she-et. :flipoff2: me. ...there..
.........

not a problem M-K........ i don't want no shit with anyone on this board, i just like hanging out here when i'm not wheeling........... and besides its a Canadian thing, eh?........:D
l8r

Originally posted by MudKick


They are unsafe and they do roll vehicles.
1. Try going 50 miles/Hr and stomp on your brakes. What happens to your missing links? They transfer all the weight of the vehicle to the front spring's front, pick up leverage and twist the front of your front springs downward. Now, try to negotiate an emergency turn. You will spin out. And yes, possibly roll, compliments of the missing link.

2. You are on the trail in an off camber situation, you are almost "flexed out", but you think you're OK because all 4 wheels are on the ground, you come off that rock that was leaning you to the right, and your left wheel falls down into another, opposite off camber situation. What happens"? You roll as the missing link only looked to have kept your axles loaded when you were on that rock, but in reality they were just hanging freely, just like hanging in the air. So when you came down from the obstacle the other side did not get loaded as soon as your wheel touch down, instead, it kept picking up momentum as your missing link was doing its flip flopping, multiplying the rolling momentum in the process.
That is the difference between the flex and droop.

I think anyone who is running Missing Links or 3/4 eliptic or revolvers on the road should or are pining them. Or they are on trail only rigs.

Now lets take your 2nd statement and use the weight of a set of 38's as your momentum..............Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I 'd rather have them closer to the ground.

3rd, shoot your spotter.:D

why not just pin them rather than ditch them? seems like this would turn them into a normal shackle....

well that was the choice, eather ditch em, or make new missing links and pin em............ ya see when i put the cj7 springs all around i need to lengthen the missing links cause of the length differance between the rear springs and now cj7's.............. so i think i'd be a lot easier to mount them regular instead of missing links...........

magnet,

If your gonna ditch 'em let me know.

yup, i'm ditchen em................ there home made though.......... made for the rear springs up front.......
-mike

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