I know. I've searched. I'd like to have another kick at the cat. I've built my own mounting system, run 4 ought cables to the front and back with battery operated equipment style disconnects and anything I put on there will be able to withstand at least 15,000 pounds and be able to draw 1000 amps without smoking the wiring. I'm not interested in going out and buying a 15,000 pound winch that's slower than a snail, but at the same time I don't want to buy an 8000 pound winch and have to horse around with shackles and different length cables, snatchblocks and recovery straps in order to have to pull my beaster out. My truck weighs around 6000 pounds, big motor, big geared diffs and big tires. It must be electric, and it must be reliable, strong and fast. Price is a factor as well....

What works for who? Input please...

12vdc, 4-0, 1000 A...HAHAHA that's funny...

Anyway


8274


Now...
STFU

Thank you.

Buy warn. Dont know what size though. I have a 9500. but I useally have to snatch block it to pull people out. ecpicially in the mud. If you do buy a winch, you will be buying it for everyone else. It seems i never have to use it on my self. but the phone always rings to go get somebody. which means extra money though.

Real winches have driveshafts :)

Ron

If you want a bad ass winch you should buy a Sepson 3.6 ton electric winch. It's got disc brake, mechcanical and thermal overload protection and it's waterproof so it won't let you down. The down side is the price 3 grand :(

8274

8274

Currently running (kind of- explained later) Warn XD9000i winch on a little over 6000 lb truck. (FJ80 Land Cruiser). Couple things. 1) Don't buy the Integrated Solenoid series Warn Winch- not only is working on the electrics a bitch, but disassembly and reassembly is a PITA unless you have fingers the size of a 5 year old.

2) Warn winches are NOT waterproof. Submersion whether continuous (driving down a river) or random (splashing around in some mud) will cause the winch to fail (this would be the explained later part) Currently my XD9000i is pretty much useless, DC motor is shot. Pulled everything apart cleaned the rust off the planetary drive, regreased, cleaned the amature, stator, etc, but no luck, just too messed up and the winch is only 3 years old. Gears themselves look ok, just that DC motor couldn't take it. If there was a way to seal the motor or run a constant pressure system (off of an air pump or something) to keep water out of the motor, it might be a better setup.

3) Buy a bigger winch than what you think you will use. For a 6K truck I'd go with a 12K winch. Stalled the 9000 even in double pull way too many times. Team X-treme is right though, with the winch you will be the pulling bitch of the crowd, so get used to it, or say its broken :)
4) If I were to do things again from the start. a) I'd get a larger capacity winch. b) I'd try to find one that is water proof (although if your doing Moab rather than muddin I wouldn't worry about it) - I was looking at Milemarker, but hydraulic's don't run, or PTO's for that matter, with the engine off. c) I'd get a larger capacity winch-can't stress that enough. If it means saving up a little bit more- do it. You don't want to get caught with a stalled winch in a situation that might involve life endangerment.

Good luck with your decision. The 8274 is an excellent winch, but a little light possibly for the weight of your truck. If your sticking warn get the 12K or better yet the 15K. Ramsey max it out 12K- with that weird worm drive which I haven't torn into yet; or the milemarker 12K. - hope I drilled that capacity thing into your head.

If you take the 4 runs of 4-gauge and tie them together, you'll be close to 1000 amps.. 4 gauge cable is rated for 150 amps... try 1/0...

Hell, my buddy's M8000 came with 2-gauge!

Originally posted by Eskimo
If you take the 4 runs of 4-gauge and tie them together, you'll be close to 1000 amps.. 4 gauge cable is rated for 150 amps... try 1/0...

Hell, my buddy's M8000 came with 2-gauge!

uhmmm i think he said "4-ought" not 4-gauge..

4 gauge = .2031 diam.
0000 gauge = .4688 diam
:flipoff2:

and yeah 8274

4/0 is a designation of cable which signifies the use of welding type cable. Smaller, finer strands of copper are used giving the cable greater flexibility for bending and the like. Your local battery mart should have various examples of the cable types, or if you have a buzz box laying around in the garage compare the cables between that (easy to flex, smaller strands), with that of the typical battery cable. (harder to flex and remains somewhat in postion after flex, with larger stands) 4/0 might contain 150 strands of copper, as opposed to 4 guage which may contain 6-8 strands.

You can get a 8247-50 for $864.29 from PartsAmerica.com. All the winch stuff is listed by Warn part #s The 8274-50 is part # 38631

HTH

Originally posted by Old Scout
You can get a 8247-50 for $864.29 from PartsAmerica.com. ...........

HTH


hehe i scored my 8274 from some drunk kid at a party for $50:flipoff2: :flipoff2: just had to put some new solenoids in it.

Originally posted by sceep



hehe i scored my 8274 from some drunk kid at a party for $50:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Was that before or after you blew him? :D

My next winch will be a Warn HS9500i. Kinda surprised no one else here likes em...

8274

did i say 8274

Well here is something to consider about the HS9500 and the xd series. What will they be worth and how well will they work after 25 years on the front of a 4x4? I KNOW HOW my 8074 works after 25 years on a 4x4. Perfectly. Mine was made in 1976 and it is worth as much now as it cost when it was brand new.

I have a MileMarker on my 76 Scout II. I like it alot.

If Hydraulic is your route then I suggest:

1. Go with the 10+ size.
2. Dual speed for quick line take up.
3. Submerge that thing all day and pull.
4. Hope that your rig does not DIE while submerged!

Oh yeah...for real;

Boost your P/S pump so that you can turn your tires and winch at the same time. Plus you will get your full pull capacity before the pump goes to the pressure bypass valve.

Second is get an external cooler with an auxillary fan for the low pressure side! I did not have one (still don't) and I was pulling this fucking huge log across this river for about an hour or so, idling the whole time and I fried my fluid...burned it to a stinky watery mess. It started to trick the solenoids and caused the winch to switch directions on its own. Plus it made steering a little more difficult.
Had I thought ahead and done those two little inexpensive mod's I would have been able to laugh all day long....

For electrics my friend has one of those 8274's and it does rock....but you would not be able to pull shit around for as long as a duration.

The Warn I've had on my Jeep for 17 years would be light for your use, but it has bigger brothers. You can't beat the dependability and Warns seem to pull actually way past their rating. I've use the 6000 lber I have countless times, and have had to use the snatch block only once (Yes that was in mud). Whatever size you go with, you can't beat the strength and dependablity of a Warn without the integrated solenoid.:cool:

I got a remanufactured Ramsey 8000lb for $350 at Harbor Freight........... it went :nuke: after a few uses. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

Originally posted by Madmarx
Well here is something to consider about the HS9500 and the xd series. What will they be worth and how well will they work after 25 years on the front of a 4x4? I KNOW HOW my 8074 works after 25 years on a 4x4. Perfectly. Mine was made in 1976 and it is worth as much now as it cost when it was brand new.
I would be surprised if the HS9500 does not work well in 25 years. Do you have reason to believe that the newer Warn winches are not as high quality as the older ones?

Originally posted by GhettoRig

I would be surprised if the HS9500 does not work well in 25 years. Do you have reason to believe that the newer Warn winches are not as high quality as the older ones?
Well at the top of this thread, Seth Haines was talking about his XD not working after 3 years. They just don't have the history and reputation that the 8274 does. Part of that is because they have not been in production as long. I am not saying they are not fine products, they are warn and will give great service. I know there must be a reason why almost everybody in this thread has recommended an 8274:rolleyes:

they recommend the lil8274 cause most are jeepers.
an 8274 is a waste of time on a fullsize mudtruck.
Warns are no better then any other brand, in fact I would not use anything but the 'wierd' worm gear style.
why have an external brake when you can have braking by design?

Originally posted by SethHaines
4/0 is a designation of cable which signifies the use of welding type cable. Smaller, finer strands of copper are used giving the cable greater flexibility for bending and the like. Your local battery mart should have various examples of the cable types, or if you have a buzz box laying around in the garage compare the cables between that (easy to flex, smaller strands), with that of the typical battery cable. (harder to flex and remains somewhat in postion after flex, with larger stands) 4/0 might contain 150 strands of copper, as opposed to 4 guage which may contain 6-8 strands.
4/0 and 4 gauge are two completely DIFFERENT sizes of wire...regardless of strand count.:rolleyes:

I've got a 9500 and I like it. 8274's are nice too. About the same as far as line speed in real life. 9500 is lighter and a lot quieter. 8274 has a brake, but no freewheel (at least on the older ones, don't know if the new ones do). Mine is set up in a multimount tray and I can use it front or rear. I've used it in the rear a few times and it's nice to know it's there. I can also use it on my trailer if I want to ever tow a car or something heavy up it. And on my tow rig if I ever pop for one.

8274!!! i love mine and yes they do free spool. not that i use it much. they are so fast that it is easier just to let it out.

I've got 2 winches now and after seeing High 5's in action I had to have an 8274

Just finished rebuilding it last weekend

New: brushes
bearings
bushings
noids
cables

total investment about 260.00
having the best winch ever made: PRICELESS

Originally posted by GhettoRig
My next winch will be a Warn HS9500i. Kinda surprised no one else here likes em...


ohh i gots me a hs9500, its friggin awsome...

I would have to agree that the HS9500i is AWESOME:D

I have mine on a fat pig of a K5 and it has pulled me and several others on a few occasions. Never stalled it and that 125 foot of cable and fast line speed is nice.

Depdog:usa:

i say 8274, mine was bought new in the early 80's and it has worked flawlessly:smokin: I like the 150' of cable they have to.

I just got my new winch a couple of months ago and I havnt been able to use it yet but for my monjey there is nothing better than a worm gear. Sure its not fast but its faster than walking your ass bach to town. I am pretty sure that my 12K pound ramsey worm drive will last a long time. Everyone I talked to said that they last forever. Also had more gearing and a more powerful motor than the warn 15000 #. Go Figure?:confused: :beer:

8274

Yet another vote for 8274:smokin: :smokin:

well if you really wanna know its not the m-8274 but its the predacessor
M-8274-50

NO DOUBT....:p

I hear somewhere that an 8274 might be the way to go but why listen to anyone else :flipoff2:

Originally posted by jeeper111
I just got my new winch a couple of months ago and I havnt been able to use it yet but for my monjey there is nothing better than a worm gear. Sure its not fast but its faster than walking your ass bach to town. I am pretty sure that my 12K pound ramsey worm drive will last a long time. Everyone I talked to said that they last forever. Also had more gearing and a more powerful motor than the warn 15000 #. Go Figure?:confused: :beer:

i say you will hate it. i had a worm gear ramsey for a number of years and i hated it the whole time. they are way too slow. you can not help the winch at all or you will run over the cable. you do not spool the cable back in after a pull. you just wrap it around the grill guard or bumper because if you do it will be all day. did i mention that i hated it???? you will too. trust me. i now have an 8274 and there is no other winch in my opinion. they lat forever just like the worm gear winches and they are fast too.

Originally posted by tj7
well if you really wanna know its not the m-8274 but its the predacessor
M-8274-50

NO DOUBT....:p

I would recommend that you stay away from big words. :D You mean successor. BTW, it's spelled predecessor.

I own an older 8274, and really can't imagine why they increased the speed on the 8274-50. It already powers out faster than you can generally walk up the trail. they are a great winch and will last forever. The only downside is that they block a lot of the radiator.

HAHAAHAHH! sorry i am not a road scholar or should i say bush scholar like you... but we do agree the

m-8274

by far is the best you can buy...and as far as im concerned if im going to buy ramsey's it will be for my cawk not my jeep...:flipoff2:

Originally posted by high5


i say you will hate it. i had a worm gear ramsey for a number of years and i hated it the whole time. they are way too slow. you can not help the winch at all or you will run over the cable. you do not spool the cable back in after a pull. you just wrap it around the grill guard or bumper because if you do it will be all day. did i mention that i hated it???? you will too. trust me. i now have an 8274 and there is no other winch in my opinion. they lat forever just like the worm gear winches and they are fast too.

Ramsey - More power than a Warn, hands down. also reliable But.. slower than Milemarker I bet. YES THEY SUCK SPEED WISE!

Warn - Fast, I would say almost as reliable only exception being the brake maybe lowering the reliable score, does not pull as strong as a Ramsey.

I run a HS9500i, I like it, no complaints about it. Only burnt up the motor once, that was after 60-90 minutes of continuous powering in/out on a Warn winch demonstration hill. (WARN, those fawkers didn't replace my motor. :flipoff: ) But.. thats WAY more winching in one session than anyone does in real life wheeling. I have no regrets about the purchase, though... I *might* get a 8274-50 the next time around for the larger drum, even though it pulls less.

YOu can say what you like about worm geared winches but I have a pretty heavy truck and I dont think that an 8274 would work. Besides you didnt say that it wasnt able to get you out. They are supposed to be a little faster than the older ones with the new 4.8 horse power motor.

Originally posted by jeeper111
I have a pretty heavy truck and I dont think that an 8274 would work

My 8274 first saw duty on a 3/4 ton 44'ed mud truck, then was transfered to my suburban where I have never had to double up the line to prevent stalling. Now its on the front of my rock crawler, where it has on several occasions picked rigs litterally of of the ground. after 15 years and alot of use, it is still going very strong.

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2002/5-02asylum/rv21.jpg

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tj7
[B]HAHAAHAHH! sorry i am not a road scholar or should i say bush scholar like you...

Hey Tj7..........its "Rhoads Scholar " ..better quit while your ahead:flipoff2:

I have both 8274 and x9000... the 8274 is the shiznit!!

yo dude i meant to write it that way ...:flipoff2: get it road -bush...
anyways hey zags you cannot tell anyone who doesnt have a M-8274. they just have to learn for them selves....:nuke:

Well i have to say from experiance of being pulled out of a farm field in Pullman (read clay mud thats the worst there is). I was buried up to the tops of my tires at least and John came around in the Traveler and hooked up the 10,500 Milemarker and started to pull. It started to pull him in. So he unspooled and backed up. He put his front bumper up against a skidder about 75 feet away and started pulling at idle. He started to crush the 56" tall tires or so that that equipment had on. Finally he stoped and my truck started moving. It was slow but man i was amazed. He ended up pulling me out after 20 minuts or so, but here is the kicker. In front of my truck was a wall of this thick goo clay mug the width of my truck and as high as the lower grill. I had to back up and drive around it when i was done and out. That winch never sneezed at all. Its fucking amazing and jaw dropping to watch a Hydro in action.

That said i ordered the video from Milemarker and was blown away by the construction. The video goes into a complete breakdown of the simple 10 parts or so. They did some tests and woa. They had a truck linked to two other trucks in a mud bog and the front truck had a 10,500 and pulled all three trucks out of the mud bog. Try that with a Electric.

They then pulled a Ford super duty with a pallet of bricks and a 12000 pound forklift chained to the back 70 some foot with it. The brakes were all locked up and it just skidded it along the pavement all the way. Warn burned the motor up at 25 feet and the Ramsey tripped the circut breaker 7 feet into the pull.

If ya don't believe me call Milenmarker and get the free video for yourself just for fun and watch it.

The biggest thing is this. Motor needs to be running. I have figured a way around that though. If say you droped into a mud/water hole and swamped the motor, you pop the hood, hook up your portable 3-5 horse Brigs and stratten withn a belt to the power steering pump pully and attach to your simple pin bracket on the fender. Start motor and wolla winch works. Other option is a Chainsaw fitted with a V-pully to power the pump while swamped. This may be a little much for some folks but it was my brainstorm idea of how to get pump working while motor is swamped.

I will buy a 12,500 two speed one for my Traveler. That said my comp rig Project X will have electric since it pulls will the motor is off and while said rig is on roof. Electric will most likley be a Warn HS 9500I

Originally posted by The Fleckster

The biggest thing is this. Motor needs to be running. I have figured a way around that though. If say you droped into a mud/water hole and swamped the motor, you pop the hood, hook up your portable 3-5 horse Brigs and stratten withn a belt to the power steering pump pully and attach to your simple pin bracket on the fender. Start motor and wolla winch works. Other option is a Chainsaw fitted with a V-pully to power the pump while swamped. This may be a little much for some folks but it was my brainstorm idea of how to get pump working while motor is swamped.

I will buy a 12,500 two speed one for my Traveler. That said my comp rig Project X will have electric since it pulls will the motor is off and while said rig is on roof. Electric will most likley be a Warn HS 9500I

And THAT is what makes milemarker a crappy off-road winch. In its own right it is an excellent, powerful winch. Right up there with PTO. But.. that whole engine needs to be running thing.....

Now.. if someone found an electric hydraulic pump that flowed the 3.5gpm@1500psi(?), pulled less current than an electric winch, was not much bigger than a starter motor. I'de be all over it.

now.. milemarker tests against warn. They are mostly all bullshit, you operated an electric winch outside of its duty rating, its going to melt down. Sounds like thats exactly what they did.

Originally posted by jeeper111
YOu can say what you like about worm geared winches but I have a pretty heavy truck and I dont think that an 8274 would work. Besides you didnt say that it wasnt able to get you out. They are supposed to be a little faster than the older ones with the new 4.8 horse power motor.


argue if you will but you'll see. just stick with your worm gear winch. i will not argue that it is a good strong winch. they last a long time but so does the m8274. the reason you will hate it is the speed. trust me. i have been there and done that.

A slow winch does not bother me one bit. I have been using a pro plus for years and I think it was a little too fast for my taste. I like slow powerful winches. Saw a guy almost flip over once from a warn high speed winch. When your on the edge anyway it doesnt help to have a high speed winch. Besides winching isnt a fast process anyway. So it takes me 5 minutes to wind up myy winch all the way instead of 2.5. Who cares. I would rather have the power and the reliability. I know that the 8274 is a great winch and I know it is reliable, but it is a little too small and a little to fast for me. To everyone there own.

8274 RULES!!!

Check this out.

http://www.partsamerica.com/default.asp

$864 for the 8274 (pn 38631) :p

Originally posted by patcal19
8274 RULES!!!

Check this out.

http://www.partsamerica.com/default.asp

$864 for the 8274 (pn 38631) :p

Something can't be right... thats only $160 more than I paid for my 9500i. :eek:

Where the high speed winch comes in to play: competition is probably a real good example. Another is, wheeling around a shitload of true wheeling newbies. 99 times out of 100 my winch cable has been pulled out for someone else doing the same lines I was doing. (I'm not a good driver) If you have to pull lots of cable.. nothing beats a fast return speed. LOL

I run a HS9500 on the front of my FJ40 and have been very satisfied with it over the past 3 years. I also have a M12000 that is going on my FZJ80. Haven't mounted it yet due to just getting the truck set for off-road. Once the rear bumper/carrier arrives I'll install the winch (they will offset each other for weight and not make the truck sit too low in front or rear).

Go with a Warn that is bigger than you think you need.

Just my $0.02

I have 2 Warn 12,000's, one on the Cruiser, which weighs 6000 lbs, and one on my tow truck which weighs 8,000.

I have burned 2 solenoids in the last 2 months, and broke the 3/8 cable on one.

The 12,000 is dead slow, but quite powerful. The solenoids piss me off, but they are fairly cheap to replace.

My biggest complaint with it is speed. It takes forever to wind in or out, but it pulls well. Make sure you have some good batteries to back it up. i have 2 yellow top Optimas for the winch.

first of all I dont go wheeling with people who dont have their own damn winch and second of all I will have two optima red tops for winching duties and when those go out I will probably switch to blue tops. Thanx for the advice.:D

Originally posted by bennett
[QUOTE]Originally posted by tj7
[B]HAHAAHAHH! sorry i am not a road scholar or should i say bush scholar like you...

Hey Tj7..........its "Rhoads Scholar " ..better quit while your ahead:flipoff2:

I have both 8274 and x9000... the 8274 is the shiznit!!

No, it's "Rhoades Scholar" numbnuts.:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

As far as winches, I don't know, I'm reading and learning.

John

hey anylne know if a ABS pump will power a hydro winch??

what specs does a 10500 milemarker need?

this still goin on? geeesh i think the 8274 is a a great winch............. but the 9500hs is pretty friggin sweet, it has faster line speed than the 8274 while under load! i think its the best one goin to this date, not trying to take away from the 8274 but daaamn the 9500hs is awsome