I have a 79 wagoneer D44 thats going under the front of my yj... Its six lug... I need to convert it to 5 x 4.5 to match my rear 8.8 and current wheels. I'm told i can do this with a certain chevy spindle, certain ford bearing, and certain ford knuckle... can someone give me more info on this. i've searched google for some time and come up with the same 3 hits that aren't very clear...

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w62/jmackie411/CIMG0625.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w62/jmackie411/CIMG0624.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w62/jmackie411/CIMG0622.jpg

I found this on ebay.... what else do i need?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=130014031772&rd=1

by the way...

do i have a high pinion or low pinion Dana 44

and is it reverse or standard rotation gears

by the way...

do i have a high pinion or low pinion Dana 44

and is it reverse or standard rotation gears

its a Low Pinion 44 thats standard Rotation.

by the way...

do i have a high pinion or low pinion Dana 44

and is it reverse or standard rotation gears

Wagonner D44 comes with low pinion. Low Pinion always runs on standard rotation. If you want high pinion which runs on reverse rotation (which is much stronger and more torquey than Cherokee D44), get 1978- 1980's Ford F150 /F250 D44 which has those things.

It's next to impossible to get to 5x4.5" with a D44. You'd need dodge unit bearings from certain years, finding them is extremely hard. You can't just get an adapter to go from 5x5.5" to 5x4.5", the hub is too big to fit the adapter. Your best bet is to change your front to 5x5.5" using chevy spindles and calipers and Ford rotors, then get an adapter for your 8.8 or upgrade to Superior's Super8.8 kit which has the option of 5x5.5". Then you'll just have to get new rims. That's the route I went and couldn't be happier.

(which is much stronger and more torquey than Cherokee D44)

Did you eat paint chips as a kid? Reverse cut is not MUCH stronger but marginally stronger. I have never seen an axle that is more "torquey" than another. Please do explain.


Back on topic. You are not going to get 5 x 4.5 on that axle. 5 x5.5 is as good as it gets.

maybe i ate the paint chips this morning, but i thought waggys are pside drop and a YJ is dside drop. looks like you're in for some more work than just lug patterns.

if i'm wrong, please flame on by all means possible.

maybe i ate the paint chips this morning, but i thought waggys are pside drop and a YJ is dside drop. looks like you're in for some more work than just lug patterns.

if i'm wrong, please flame on by all means possible.

waggy axles come in both drivers and passenger side drop. 80+ is driverside, 79- is passenger.

Check this link out.

http://www.jeepgod.net/d44625.html

Also you will have to convert the 8.8 to 5 on 5.5 there is no way to get the front with an adapter to 5 on 4.5 I used the super 88 kit to match the rear to the front. The front axle is a waggy dana 44 with chevy outers on it.

I have a 79 wagoneer D44 thats going under the front of my yj... Its six lug... I need to convert it to 5 x 4.5 to match my rear 8.8 and current wheels. I'm told i can do this with a certain chevy spindle, certain ford bearing, and certain ford knuckle... can someone give me more info on this. i've searched google for some time and come up with the same 3 hits that aren't very clear...



the swap your refering to is for 5x5.5, not 5x4.5. Just buy a lug adapter for the rear to 6x5.5. cheaper then swaping the front to 5 lug and doing adapters in the rear.

maybe i ate the paint chips this morning, but i thought waggys are pside drop and a YJ is dside drop. looks like you're in for some more work than just lug patterns.

if i'm wrong, please flame on by all means possible.

the axle pictured is upside down on the jack stands....:laughing:

and like the man said... different years different drop..

the swap your refering to is for 5x5.5, not 5x4.5. Just buy a lug adapter for the rear to 6x5.5. cheaper then swaping the front to 5 lug and doing adapters in the rear.

I think this is the way to go... If I've gotta buy wheels then why not six lug and run 6 x 5.5 adapters on the 8.8.. The six lug wheels look cooler and they've gotta be stronger right.. This would also solve the issue thats not really an issue but a looks thing.. the 8.8 is 59.5" wms-wms and the waggy 44 is 60.75 wms-wms... so say a .75 adapter acting as a spacer will make it pretty f'in close to equal width...

ok new question... what do i need to swap in manual hubs..?

just spoke with wheel adpaters in ca. and they said no way on the 5 x 4.5 - 6 x 5.5.....
says it would have to be a two piece adapter and those suck and he won't build-um... huh

so its looking like 5x5.5 conversion and axles in the rear.....

ok new question... what do i need to swap in manual hubs..?

Just convert to Chevy outers and run manual hubs. So you will need Chevy small bearing spindles, Chevy Stub shafts, Ford rotors, Chevy brakes, and manaual lock outs.

[QUOTE=jmackie411;6536387]the axle pictured is upside down on the jack stands....:laughing:

Not sure what you are looking at, but the axle is right side up! If you look close it is set up for a TJ.

doesn't warn make a conversion kit that includes the hubs and lockouts?

i'm not the front axle guru...obviously...but couldn't he just use his 30 outers on the 44? this way he would have minimal parts to buy and keep his bolt pattern. yeah, he's have a weak point with the outers, but his pumpkin would still hold up and i'd rather have to replace an outer than a R&P.

just a thought from the same guy that ate the lead paint off the walls this AM.

Not sure what you are looking at, but the axle is right side up! If you look close it is set up for a TJ.

Ummm, NO. You're wrong. It's set up for a Wagoneer, what it came off of, and it's upside down. There's no TJ brackets on it at all. That is a stock low pinion, driver-drop waggy axle.

You won't need Chevy stub shafts to do the lug conversion, waggy stubs are the same length.

doesn't warn make a conversion kit that includes the hubs and lockouts?

i'm not the front axle guru...obviously...but couldn't he just use his 30 outers on the 44? this way he would have minimal parts to buy and keep his bolt pattern. yeah, he's have a weak point with the outers, but his pumpkin would still hold up and i'd rather have to replace an outer than a R&P.

just a thought from the same guy that ate the lead paint off the walls this AM.


Warn's kit is for a YJ D30, and the knuckles aren't interchangeable.

[QUOTE=jmackie411;6536387]the axle pictured is upside down on the jack stands....:laughing:

Not sure what you are looking at, but the axle is right side up! If you look close it is set up for a TJ.

SORRY... but its straight out of a wagoneer and its upside down on the stands.... SUA pads pointing to the sky....... look at the shock mounts.. just how would that work if the axle is sitting right side up?

You won't need Chevy stub shafts to do the lug conversion, waggy stubs are the same length.

thank you

[QUOTE=Jeepman14wheel;6536766]

SORRY... but its straight out of a wagoneer and its upside down on the stands.... SUA pads pointing to the sky....... look at the shock mounts.. just how would that work if the axle is sitting right side up?

Which pic are you talking about?

[QUOTE=jmackie411;6537259]

Which pic are you talking about?

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w62/jmackie411/TOCLEARITUP.jpg

My computer at my work would not show the pic. So thanks for such a degrading explanation of the axle in the pic above. I now see what you are talking about, sorry for my stupidity of not seeing the pic you were talking about. I see my error and I will correct said error promplty by reading all of MR. N's articles on Dana axles. :flipoff2:

Oh yeah by the way, I thought you were talking about the pics that I posted.

damn don't take it so personal... its just some good ol' pirate flaming...

I know that why i'm here. It makes me laugh all f'in day....

damn don't take it so personal... its just some good ol' pirate flaming...

I know that why i'm here. It makes me laugh all f'in day....

I know you had the flaming gun on, I was just scolding myself for not understanding what pic we where both looking at!

ya , it was the ms paint flame version...... its new :bounce:

ya , it was the ms paint flame version...... its new :bounce:

Dam, I am going to have to get that one! This all started becuase of my stupid work computer not displaying the beginning photos. Well may be I should be working and not fawking off on pirates!

thats why i go to work...

this is an easy swap to go from waggy bolt pattern to ford bolt pattern

all you need are 78 ford discs and some bearings

Inner bearing
Cup
LM603011
Cone
LM603049

Outer Bearing
Cup
Lm501310
Cone
LM501349

these are the part numbers directly from the NAPA web site


this is what I have done on my YJ with d44 out of a waggy from 6 bolt to f bolt

hope this helps
possumjeep

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Originally Posted by jmackie411
ok new question... what do i need to swap in manual hubs..?

Just convert to Chevy outers and run manual hubs. So you will need Chevy small bearing spindles, Chevy Stub shafts, Ford rotors, Chevy brakes, and manaual lock outs.


I think that is incorrect actually. I believe you can remove the solid lockout in the Waggy hub and just replace it with a Warn hub for a manual lockout coversion. The reason I say that is when I bought Warn Premiums for my Waggy front, they slid right in...and this was before I did the 5 x 5.5" swap. Also, as far as Chevy brakes, the Waggy caliper is the same number as a Chevy caliper so they are the same. So if you decide to do the 5 x 5.5" swap, you can use your existing caliper, stub, and brake pads. Swap on a Ford hub and rotor assembly, Dana 706528x spindles (which come with the seal), inner and outter bearings, and manual lockouts and be done with the front. One more thing about the swap. You couldnt put a 5 x 4.5" rim on a Waggy front even if you had a lug adapter. The center in the rim will not fit over the Waggy hub.

http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=46140

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmackie411
ok new question... what do i need to swap in manual hubs..?

Just convert to Chevy outers and run manual hubs. So you will need Chevy small bearing spindles, Chevy Stub shafts, Ford rotors, Chevy brakes, and manaual lock outs.


I think that is incorrect actually. I believe you can remove the solid lockout in the Waggy hub and just replace it with a Warn hub for a manual lockout coversion. The reason I say that is when I bought Warn Premiums for my Waggy front, they slid right in...and this was before I did the 5 x 5.5" swap. Also, as far as Chevy brakes, the Waggy caliper is the same number as a Chevy caliper so they are the same. So if you decide to do the 5 x 5.5" swap, you can use your existing caliper, stub, and brake pads. Swap on a Ford hub and rotor assembly, Dana 706528x spindles (which come with the seal), inner and outter bearings, and manual lockouts and be done with the front. One more thing about the swap. You couldnt put a 5 x 4.5" rim on a Waggy front even if you had a lug adapter. The center in the rim will not fit over the Waggy hub.

I'm about to do the same and I believe this is correct. Also, the hub and rotor you need is the 76-86 F150 or ones from a Bronco.