I went to a range and shot an XD40 today. I have never owned a handgun and havn't shot one in over 2 years. Originally I was planning on trying out a Glock23 but the added safety on the backstrap of the XD led me that route.

As mentioned in another thread, yes the mags are a sob to load the last few rounds. In line with what slowerthanu has mentioned , the top of the magazine seemed rather light ie vulnerable to damage. Granted I'm a handgun/magazine expert:laughing:

Two handed @ 7 yards with slow and steady and double taps it shot well. I was pushing it at 15 yards but only had one flyer. I only put 50 rounds through the gun but it was fun. Didn't want to throw any more money away to shoot the Glock23 for comparison.

The premature slide lock article posted by Aces'n'8s http://www.xd-hs2000.com/longsliderelease.html bugs me a litle bit though.

I'm looking for a hiking, fishing etc preferably .40cal that I'll probably never need but want to have available just the same.

feedback?

havn't you read the other eleventy billion xd threads?

How does a backstrap safety help anything?

Just get the Glock, it has less known issues and a FAR better track record.

How does a backstrap safety help anything?

Just get the Glock, it has less known issues and a FAR better track record.

Yeah right...Glock has had/is having its problems as well.

Glock slam firing and breaking on the ground (http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/upgrade-faq.html#ad)

Glock Goes BOOM.... (http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/setback.html)

Exploding Glock press release (http://www.policeone.com/police/products/firearms/press-releases/83133/)

Video of Glock Exploding (http://www.youtube.com/p.swf?video_id=Vceh44UK-8I&eurl=http%3A//www.thegunzone.com/glock/gindex2.html&iurl=http%3A//sjc-static7.sjc.youtube.com/vi/Vceh44UK-8I/2.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskJNE0sjI6FXyrKdRMkRZeM4)

Glock Slide Fracture/Failure (http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/g19_topless.html)

Before anyone here judges one's preference of sidearm, one must be aware that even such a highly regarded pistol as the Glock can have its problems.


The grip safety adds one more element to help prevent an accidental discharge. In essence, the trigger AND the grip safety must be depressed simultaneously to fire.

Hey Micro, you might want to check with Springfield, but I believe I've heard that the slide lock problem has been remedied. If you do wind up purchasing an older XD40, it isn't that difficult to file down the protrusion (no detailed dissassembly necessary).


I say go fire the Glock and get a feel for its grip. Then, make your decision.




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I have owned and sold 3 glocks....

I still have my XD.

The glocks worked great, and were more accurate then my XD was, but I hated the sights, and the grip angle. I will pick up another one just for collection purposes though.

havn't you read the other eleventy billion xd threads?


eleventy billion:eek:

lmao too bad Lance hasn't set up a newbie gun forum yet....I'd be there I'll head back to the range next week and try out a Glock just for shits n grins.

Seems a few more rounds and some additional research is in order. Thanks for the responses.

well maybe not but it sure seems ever other thread as been about the XD, it's pretty much the new glock. I'm sure it's a great gun but it's getting tons of hype to go with it.

Hey aces, you should qualify your statement. Glocks have an excellent safety record but are vulnerable to crappy reloads, bore obstructions (your bottom pic), ammo with the bullet seated too deep, etc-- just like every other pistol. They are the most reliable and durable pistol you can buy.

The XD is also a great pistol and you will not go wrong with one, particulary a newer one.

I like my XD grip angle better than Glock :shrug:
But I would own a glock as well :laughing:

Hey aces, you should qualify your statement. Glocks have an excellent safety record but are vulnerable to crappy reloads, bore obstructions (your bottom pic), ammo with the bullet seated too deep, etc-- just like every other pistol. They are the most reliable and durable pistol you can buy.

The XD is also a great pistol and you will not go wrong with one, particulary a newer one.

The picture of the ruptured barrel was from a Glock that HAD NO OBSTRUCTION.

In the link "Glock Goes Boom," there were "reports" of bore obstruction but according to the article there were NO SUPPORTING DETAILS as that barrel blew out right at the chamber and continued downward. Supposedly, the bullet was seated too deep. *edit* it was ACCURATELY attributed to the loading/unloading of the round 45 times within a 30 day period *edit*

As far as durability is concerned, a firearm is only as durable as its components and the precision utilized to manufacture those components. Yet, some Glocks were found out to be not too durable after all...Glock "Upgrade" Parts (http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/upgrade-faq.html)

I would like to know how many Glocks have been sold.....and how many XDs/HSs have been sold. Then, break down the rates of each pistols according to malfunctions and catastrophic failures. Once you find a base rate for each brand, then I could interpret the merits of a Glock over an XD or vice versa.

I have nothing against Glocks. I would buy one if their grip angle was comfortable TO ME. However, I bought an XD instead. I just get tired of hearing everybody bash the XD because:


They "stole" Glocks design....so Kimber, Wilson, Para, etc. etc. etc. "stole" Brownings design too?"
They cause people to think twice before purchasing a Glock
OMG, you mean I can get a polymer pistol besides a Glock?
The Glock is far superior and incable of failure...I mean hell, if Tommy Lee Jones said, "Get yourself a Glock!" Then, I need one.
Glock has better name recognition than Spring. XD, so get a Glock
Just about everybody has one...so you should have one too...



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You just lost all credibility by quoting the gun zone. That guy blows so much out of proportion that it's not even funny.

As for the "glock goes boom" link, overseating a bullet is a common sense issue. Something like that will blow up any other .40 that I can think of, deep seating a projectile causes scary high pressure and is not a failure of the desing, but a failure in training.

You are a moron if you think that the feed ramp is the issue, the 'tards that thought it was OK to chamber the same round 45 times in 30 days are the issue.

You just lost all credibility by quoting the gun zone. That guy blows so much out of proportion that it's not even funny.

As for the "glock goes boom" link, overseating a bullet is a common sense issue. Something like that will blow up any other .40 that I can think of, deep seating a projectile causes scary high pressure and is not a failure of the desing, but a failure in training.

You are a moron if you think that the feed ramp is the issue, the 'tards that thought it was OK to chamber the same round 45 times in 30 days are the issue.


So I need your approval? :p

I was offering information concerning some problems with the Glock. The Gun Zone just so happened to have most of the official documents (reports/press releases/Gov't tests/etc.) in house and I found it easier to post that than searching for every single issue separately.

Here's a non GZ report, Glock .40 failure in NY (http://greent.com/40Page/general/kb.htm)

I could have posted other Forum's threads about Glocks and what others have stated about their problems with them, but I'm not quite clear about the rules posted links to other forums.

You're correct about the overseating and the Glock...check the edit.

Your continued support of Glock in every thread related to sidearms is well documented and Glock should have your check mailed out to you shortly, but some people do purchase other pistols....:flipoff2:

Non gun zone? It's still that retard Dean Speir from GZ.

Those old Federal casings are a well known problem that jacked up other .40 cal pistols as well. A friend of mine had his Glock 22 "KB'd" with one of those rounds, he picked the extractor up off the ground, loaded different ammo into the same magazine that got blown onto the ground, reinstalled his extractor, and finished shooting his class.

Keep trying.

Keep drinking the koolaid, Aces. More Glocks for me :flipoff2:

Let me know when you hear of a Glock in 357 Sig or 9mm kabooming.

Non gun zone? It's still that retard Dean Speir from GZ.

Those old Federal casings are a well known problem that jacked up other .40 cal pistols as well. A friend of mine had his Glock 22 "KB'd" with one of those rounds, he picked the extractor up off the ground, loaded different ammo into the same magazine that got blown onto the ground, reinstalled his extractor, and finished shooting his class.

Keep trying.

So what, in your mind, makes him a retard?

Also, where's the clearinghouse of information illustrating the insuperiority of the XD to the Glock?

Rather, here are some that discuss the XD.

XD torture test (http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdoors.com/SPstory11.html)

Review of an XD-9 (http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/review/XD-9_Tactical.htm)

All I was trying to point out was this... While they are few, Glocks are not incapable of failure.

For instance, here's Glock's "voluntary product upgrade'' but don't you dare call it a recall.:laughing: Frame Rail Fracture (http://www.gssfonline.com/hot_topics/framerails.htm)

Whenever I hear the rampant Get a Glock© mantra, and the incessant belittling of an XD, I feel compelled to at least illustrate that there are alternatives to the Glock.

So if I ever do decide to purchase a Glock, there won't be any left for me at that time? :laughing: :laughing:

The frame rail issue was a limited number of handguns, not calling it a recall is dumb but whatever.

My Glock doesn't lock it's own slide back halfway through a mag, has a decent trigger reset, low bore axis, a finish that doesn't run screaming away from the pistol after about 2 hours of carry, and was never considered "substandard" prior to a rebadging.

Keep drinking the koolaid, Aces. More Glocks for me :flipoff2:

:laughing:


There's more Kool Aide consumption taking place within the Glock community than there was at Jonestown....

:D

BTW, here's something that went wrong with a Glock, but I can't translate Deutsch.

:laughing:


There's more Kool Aide consumption taking place within the Glock community than there was at Jonestown....

:D .


That may be but if my Glock ever lets me down it will be sold or traded damn quick. Same as any gun.

Other guns are known to kaboom as well...any gun will with shitty reloads. Glock has a better track record than the XD so far...

Although if you have shitty trigger control you might want to spring for the XD...

speaking of gun that are durable where that Sig that they fired 250,000 rounds through?

250k on a SIG without frame crack issues? That's pretty darn impressive.

250k on a SIG without frame crack issues? That's pretty darn impressive.

frame cracking huh? Were did you pull that from?

250k on a SIG without frame crack issues? That's pretty darn impressive.

Do you have a link?

I've heard of Sig putting 250K on some test mules...but then I also heard that Sig put 3M as in 3 MILLION rounds on their 229DAKs for the DOJ/Homeland Security/Coast Guard evaluation.

But I can't find an "official" report.

Those 3 million rounds were fired through 690 different handguns for that test. ;)

I read that as well but couldn't find any info on it either. I did find several ref. to the 250K tests but that it but again I read it in one fo the gun mags awhile back.

Seems the frame cracking issue was on a very small batch of guns right when they swiss company sold over to the german company. Issue has long past.

Sig does have this one their page....

http://www.sigarms.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=8&productid=119

The P229R DAK™ is the standard pistol of the Dept. of Homeland Security and the U.S. Coast Guard who selected the P229 after a 3 million round grueling torture test.

Would be interesting to read the results of the test.

Found the article -

http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_SIG,,00.html

"The selection process in awarding SIGARMS its contracts was grueling. DHS chose SIGARMS pistols after an extensive testing and evaluation process, which included pistols manufactured by several companies. The Coast Guard's decision to award a contract to SIGARMS was made on the recommendation of these tests. In the end, 690 handguns were tested and 2.9 million rounds of ammunition were expended; and the P229 was the big winner."

Do you have a link?

I've heard of Sig putting 250K on some test mules...but then I also heard that Sig put 3M as in 3 MILLION rounds on their 229DAKs for the DOJ/Homeland Security/Coast Guard evaluation.

But I can't find an "official" report.

250k on an aluminum framed pistol without swapping recoil springs is begging for some frame damage(hi powers for example). I've come across some issues with it, it's a ton of cycles for a spring that's for sure.

Properly maintained, it shouldn't ever be an issue, I was assuming that they didn't swap anything at all.

And that 2.9 million round test is less than 4,000 per pistol.

The Sig with 250k, they didn't swap any springs, cleaned it once iirc. Really wish I could find the article.

Reslly if your design is correct and the maching is top nothc you should ahve not problems with the frames. Hi powes probably get damaged cause their tolerances, machine cuts, ect are not as good. Sig did have one problem again way back in the day with slides cracking. Found out one of the cuts wasn't getting the proper radius, fix it and the problem disappeared.

so yeah this thread got hijacked pretty quickly.

Anecdotal evidence at best here, but no worse than the vile spewing forth from Dean Spier's mouth. At a recent course, Tactical Response's Fighting Pistol, a student was using an XD9, at least for the 1st day. During that time, he found that the firearm was not up to the par of the other pistols, mostly GLOCKs, used by others in that class.

His comments:
My XD9 was a POS.

I had never had any problems with it, but I rarely shot it more than 100rds per outing, and always cleaned it afterwards.

It's a great pistol if you like clearing type 2 and 3 malfunctions after putting a couple of hundred rounds through it. The most common malfunction was stove piping, but just to keep things interesting it would throw in a type 3 from time to time. I witnessed Glocks with the same daily round count as my XD that were running like a swiss watch. As a matter of fact, I never saw any Glock malfunction.

The only redeeming quality of the XD is it can survive being thrown across the range. Thats is damn near the only option it would leave you to defend yourself with it after half a day of class.

I got up Saturday a.m., un-fucked myself, and went and traded the POSXD for a new Glock 17. After seeing the performance comparison between the two pistols in class, getting rid of the XD for a Glock was a no-brainer.

Now, the description of the class is as follows:

Fighting Pistol
The root word to "gunfight" isn't "gun".
It is "FIGHT"!
This is the course everyone is talking about! It is the most comprehensive 2-day handgun class in the world! This course is literally a life saver. Our Fighting Pistol course prepares you to prevail in a real world violent confrontation and many students have gone on and done just that! This intensive course covers an incredible amount of material in just two days and we have been told that it covers more than any 5 day course at the "big schools".
Topics include the role and attributes of the handgun, legal aspects of deadly force, anatomical stopping power, mental conditioning for combat, movement and communication. Live fire drills include both one- and two-handed shooting, shooting on the move, use of cover and concealment, tactical-emergency-and speed loading, using both eye level and retention techniques, at a variety of ranges and from a variety of tactical body positions. This course is about 40% lecture on mindset, tactics, skill, and legal issues but don’t worry because you will still be shooting a minimum of 750 rounds while you are on the range!
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Course Equipment List:
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- Bring a lunch to the range both days
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- Strongside belt holster
- Eye and ear protection (muffs recommended)
- Sturdy gun belt
- Minimum of three magazines
- Magazine pouch
- Raingear (We shoot rain or shine)
- Hat and sunblock
- Knee and elbow pads (optional)
- Drinking water (Camelback strongly recommended)
- Bug Spray
- Pen and paper
http://www.tacticalresponse.com/courses/fightingpistol.php

sorry Glock lovers, I am throwing in my vote for the XD. I have over 2000 rounds through my XD40 with no problems. I just read about the slide lock issue last week and I checked mine over the weekend and it is fine, I guess they fixed the problem on the latter models. for reference I bought mine last sept. When I was in the market for my first handgun I had a buddy that was going to give me a really good deal on a glock but as hard as I tried I could not get used to the grip shape and angle. I also like the trigger action of the XD much better. I have shot the glock several times seince I got my XD and I like the glock even less now.