: A feeler for Ford C-weges/D-60 conversion


TBOwi
03-06-2007, 12:42 AM
OK...Heres the deal....Theres only 2 companies that sell the wedges..Jeffs & Duffs....& I think only Cage sells a conversion & its pricey....

My question is if you are converting to a D-60 on a 70s Ford or doing a solid axle swap on a 80s & up Ford & want to use the radius arms/C-conversion, Would you be interested in wedges that are already machined or maybe even cast to fit the D-60???

Think theres enuff demand to tool up & actually do this???

Please email me at the addy below & let me know..

fordwedgies@hotmail.com

Mods if this shouldn't be here please move it...

boggking
03-06-2007, 02:16 AM
If they fit the 60 tube, I'll take two sets.

TBOwi
03-06-2007, 02:55 AM
If they fit the 60 tube, I'll take two sets.

If we do them they will be for the D-60 tube

boggking
03-06-2007, 03:12 AM
If we do them they will be for the D-60 tube

I'm in whenever your ready.:)

Rockit
03-06-2007, 09:19 AM
If they had been available, I would have gone that route.

caryt
03-06-2007, 09:37 AM
Ya if they will work for a EB and 3" tube let me know!

Cary

GWBronco
03-06-2007, 10:21 AM
I would be in for a set.

'97 V8
03-06-2007, 10:31 AM
I definatly see a demand for this wherever i go.

OX
03-06-2007, 11:33 AM
10 years too late for me, but I'd guess you sell 3-4 sets a week and that is before the word gets out. :D

fordnut
03-06-2007, 11:58 AM
ive got a home for 2 sets.

vetteboy79
03-06-2007, 12:21 PM
The ones I got from Jeff's fit the HP60 just fine... :confused:

DRKelly
03-06-2007, 12:32 PM
The ones I got from Duff fit the tubes on my 78/79 HP D60 like a glove. No grinding necessary. Welded them right on.

WHITE RHINO
03-06-2007, 01:13 PM
when i get a 60 i will be interested

sgleshot
03-06-2007, 01:50 PM
if you make some with a track bar mount you would definitly have a market for them.

fordnut
03-06-2007, 02:53 PM
for those that say the wedges fit no problem as is do your radius arm caps fit together like factory or do you have spacers?

DRKelly
03-06-2007, 03:30 PM
for those that say the wedges fit no problem as is do your radius arm caps fit together like factory or do you have spacers?

I made 1/2" thick spacers to put between the caps and arms. When I bought them, the guy at Duff said I might have to grind the wedges to fit my D60, but I didn't.:confused:

plug ugly
03-06-2007, 04:05 PM
what about 80+ 60's? Will you notch them for the spring perch, or how will you make it fit?

TBOwi
03-06-2007, 04:35 PM
The ones I got from Duff fit the tubes on my 78/79 HP D60 like a glove. No grinding necessary. Welded them right on.

If we make these there will be no need for spacers or extra drilling...They will be a direct weld on & you wouldnt have to do any modifying(Speacers)...

TBOwi
03-06-2007, 04:36 PM
what about 80+ 60's? Will you notch them for the spring perch, or how will you make it fit?

Didnt know putting a solid axel under an 80s needed a differant set up...?????

TBOwi
03-06-2007, 04:51 PM
if you make some with a track bar mount you would definitly have a market for them.

Right now the only way to have the trackbar mount would be to cast them...I dont think we would have enuff demand yet to go that route

f250crawler
03-06-2007, 05:04 PM
Didnt know putting a solid axel under an 80s needed a differant set up...?????

He is talking about where the wedge's would go, theres not enough tube between the c and pumkin.

correct me if iam wrong but iam sure thats what he meant.

OX
03-06-2007, 07:56 PM
Didnt know putting a solid axel under an 80s needed a differant set up...?????

Yeah, in 80 the frame got wider right forward of where the coils go on a half ton. Leaf spring trucks had the springs mounted outboard of the frame on the back of the spring and right under the frame on the front. Point is the diff moved over also and so did the cast in spring perch. Many have had to grind off at least some of that perch to get wedges to fit. Even taking that into account, wedges made to fit a 60 will be less overall work.

TBOwi
03-06-2007, 08:17 PM
Yeah, in 80 the frame got wider right forward of where the coils go on a half ton. Leaf spring trucks had the springs mounted outboard of the frame on the back of the spring and right under the frame on the front. Point is the diff moved over also and so did the cast in spring perch. Many have had to grind off at least some of that perch to get wedges to fit. Even taking that into account, wedges made to fit a 60 will be less overall work.

Thanks OX...Guess I need to read the FSB site more...I guess we could notch them then...Ill have to look into it...

On the other hand..I just got an offer from a Bronco distributor to market & sell these for me if I go ahead with this ....

kstatecruiser1
03-06-2007, 08:22 PM
If they are nice and good $$, then I'd sell my Jeff's wedges and probably buy yours. I would also liked them to be notched for the 80+ HP60s.

Thanks!

mj
03-06-2007, 09:02 PM
casting the stock tracbar mount into it means another mold
without it, like the JBG ones, you have one mold and the same part fits 4 spots
if you have a welder to stick these on then you can weld a tracbar mount on

Bustin22r
03-07-2007, 06:56 AM
The ones I got from Jeff's fit the HP60 just fine... :confused:
what he said

plug ugly
03-07-2007, 09:53 AM
I guess we could notch them then...Ill have to look into it...
.

yes, my point was covered by Ox, et al, but the point remains, that getting the wedges in there requires grinding down the spring perch as well as notching the wedge. Since 78/9 axles are getting harder to find by the day, and 80+ are still pretty plentiful, I would think finding a good solution for that would be well recieved by the public. im just not sure how you could notch it, and make an exact fit. perhaps sending a template with how much to grind as well?????????

mj
03-07-2007, 05:30 PM
you cannot make a prenotched wedge as where the notch needs to be is dependant on the angle of the radius arms

TBOwi
03-07-2007, 05:35 PM
you cannot make a prenotched wedge as where the notch needs to be is dependant on the angle of the radius arms

Couldnt you go ny the factory angle?

Mr.N
03-07-2007, 06:12 PM
The ones I got from Jeff's fit the HP60 just fine... :confused:

TBOwi, I understand where your coming from. Best of luck finding a product that will sell.

However I think the amount you sell, it the price is right, will be less than you think. It's too easy to find a Dana 44 and grind them off, and then fit them to a Dana 60.

If you've a way to save money and pass it on it might work...
I don't mean to shot down your idea, but you better do the math...

mj
03-07-2007, 06:43 PM
Couldnt you go ny the factory angle?

how many people are stuffing an 88 d60 under the bronco and keeping the factory hieght?
the degreed c bushings are an option but if you are welding the wedges you may as well place them so your caster is where you want it (or centered to give the greatest number of options to tune) when you install them
fawk these lazy bitches, they can grind for clearance while they have the grinder out cleaning a spot for the weld
if you give them a wedge that fits the tube size perfectly they shouldnt bitch at all

I bought the JBG ones

TBOwi
03-07-2007, 07:30 PM
TBOwi, I understand where your coming from. Best of luck finding a product that will sell.

However I think the amount you sell, it the price is right, will be less than you think. It's too easy to find a Dana 44 and grind them off, and then fit them to a Dana 60.

If you've a way to save money and pass it on it might work...
I don't mean to shot down your idea, but you better do the math...

No I want opinions on this...Thats why I did the thread...

plug ugly
03-07-2007, 10:23 PM
you cannot make a prenotched wedge as where the notch needs to be is dependant on the angle of the radius arms

not necessarily true. You could make them, but you would need to find a way to make a consistent diameter on the cast spring perch when it is ground down. you have to grind down the perch regardless, to get the c bushing on (at least every one I hvae seen or worked on did), so there is no reason you couldnt pre-notch the wedge.

OTH, its not like notching it is hard, and if you can mount a coil sprung 60, you sure should be able to notch the ddam thing yourself.

moreover, IIRC, the 60 tube is only 1/4 or so inches larger in diameter isnt it? which begs the question, why do people need .5 to .75 spacers? I konw my spacer is .75, and I had a HELL of a time geting it on with a new c bushing. Math tells me it should only need .25 spacer or so, so Im just curious if someone could tell me what I am over looking and why mine needed .75 spacer. (this spacer has been working fine for a few years now. I have a little added pinion wrap, but nothing that has been a problem, nor have I had any bolt shearing or the like.)

TBOwi
03-07-2007, 11:20 PM
Hey Plug...Post a link to this thread at FSB...Joe deleated my thread about this...

Bustin22r
03-08-2007, 05:46 AM
delted it or moved it causde I saw at least 4 replies last night before I left to watch south park. It was prolly closer to 8 really but there was at least 4 replies.

stx4wheeler460
03-08-2007, 09:47 AM
i would have bought theses i an a second grinding the wedges sucked ass:mad3:

OX
03-08-2007, 11:34 AM
TBOwi, I understand where your coming from. Best of luck finding a product that will sell.

However I think the amount you sell, it the price is right, will be less than you think. It's too easy to find a Dana 44 and grind them off, and then fit them to a Dana 60.

If you've a way to save money and pass it on it might work...
I don't mean to shot down your idea, but you better do the math...

I'm not cutting up a high pinion or early bronco 44 when I can sell it to the 80+ 1/2 ton, early bronco, and/or jeep crowd for 75-200$. I may even make money not cutting that up (or at least break even)

By the time you buy a 44 for 50$ (minimum), wear down a couple grinding wheels, and make 4 spacers, your close enough to what these cost now and I'll be done way before you. Many spend $1500-2 grand (ARB, gears, yukons, joints, etc...) on a bling bling 44 install and you think their worried about another $90. :flipoff2:

f250crawler
03-08-2007, 01:27 PM
I'm not cutting up a high pinion or early bronco 44 when I can sell it to the 80+ 1/2 ton, early bronco, and/or jeep crowd for 75-200$. I may even make money not cutting that up (or at least break even)

By the time you buy a 44 for 50$ (minimum), wear down a couple grinding wheels, and make 4 spacers, your close enough to what these cost now and I'll be done way before you. Many spend $1500-2 grand (ARB, gears, yukons, joints, etc...) on a bling bling 44 install and you think their worried about another $90. :flipoff2:

i would never spend $1500, or even 500 on a 44.

arent these cast?? it shouldnt cost much to make them.

wetnsloppy4x
03-08-2007, 02:23 PM
When the PO of my D60 converted it for 70's style coil setup, he cut off the cast wedge/track bar mount then had the ID machined out for an interference fit over the D60 tube. It was welded after being pressed on.

I've been "out of the loop" for awhile but is this a viable option financially wise? It would seem to me like the best option for those wanting to keep the track bar but don't have the skills/time to fab a TB mount. Would it be safe to say that MOST people looking to keep their RAs are also looking to keep their original track bar configuration? OX's point about the added cost of aquring D44 housings is what got me wondering if this is really a good option.

OTOH, if everyone starts hacking up HP D44 for their wedges it would probably help those trying to get rid of their 44s get a better asking price. Supply vs. demand...

TBOwi
03-08-2007, 04:59 PM
delted it or moved it causde I saw at least 4 replies last night before I left to watch south park. It was prolly closer to 8 really but there was at least 4 replies.


Really???...I cant find it anywhere...Its not even on my list of started threads...

Bustin22r
03-09-2007, 08:09 AM
Really???...I cant find it anywhere...Its not even on my list of started threads...

I think your right. After I wrote that I went to look and couldnt find it either. I:emb3:

TBOwi
03-09-2007, 03:23 PM
I think your right. After I wrote that I went to look and couldnt find it either. I:emb3:

Im alittle pissd about it...It was his site that got me wanting to make these...Oh well...

mooktank
03-10-2007, 07:47 AM
I wouldn't recommend casting them myself. I've had bad experiences welding cast to steel. To do it right is a pain and the rods are expensive.

Maybe just form them with a press and die from 1/4"? Or hot forge them.

TBOwi
03-11-2007, 01:44 AM
I wouldn't recommend casting them myself. I've had bad experiences welding cast to steel. To do it right is a pain and the rods are expensive.

Maybe just form them with a press and die from 1/4"? Or hot forge them.

Just talkd to the foundry.....There going to give us a great price if we do this....

mj
03-11-2007, 01:47 AM
weldable cast steel right?

'97 V8
03-11-2007, 04:22 AM
How much?

RTM
03-11-2007, 05:53 AM
I don't know where you gus find D44 axles at so cheap but you can't find them around here and the ones you do find are the 78/79 models which do not have the welded on wedges. Plus cutting up a D44 axle that has the welded on wedges seems kind of wrong in that it has a thicker axle tube on that style D44 housing.

I would like to add an idea. Now bear with me as I have never done a D60 before but reading all of the post I can see that the biggest concern is fit and the work it takes to make it fit and then custom fitting for the wanted caster/camber settings.

What if one was to have the wedges made of steel plates that are laser or water cut to the size and shape one needs and then placed in a fixture and welded together? I would guess the over all time to make these would be less than the cast ones plus you would have steel to weld to. now that I think about making the radius end of the wedge may take more work that it's worth but maybe still an idea to think about. Just cast the radiused end and make the rest out of stamped steel?

I may end up with a 78/79 D60 and place it under my 78 bronco. I think I found one near the house we just moved into.

low_range
03-11-2007, 07:32 AM
If we make these there will be no need for spacers or extra drilling...They will be a direct weld on & you wouldnt have to do any modifying (Spacers)...

That would definitely make them sell. Hell, i woulda bought a set for my D60 if they were available when i did the swap.

I would like to add an idea. Now bear with me as I have never done a D60 before but reading all of the post I can see that the biggest concern is fit and the work it takes to make it fit and then custom fitting for the wanted caster/camber settings.

Its really not that bad. Grind the wedges out or make spacers. then bolt it all together but dont make the bolts tight, just snug em a little bit. then stuff a floorjack under the pinion and rotate it up until you have your desired caster angle. Then tack the Cs in place, yank the axle out and weld it up! Camber shouldnt be a huge priority (it should be fine if you set the caster within spec), and wherever your pinion angle ends up is where its gonna be, unless you feel like cutting & turning the knuckles.

babronco66
09-12-2007, 10:09 AM
Are these going to be made? If so I need a set.
bryan

OX
09-12-2007, 03:48 PM
Are these going to be made? If so I need a set.
bryan


JBG sells them specifically for a 60 now............

babronco66
09-12-2007, 04:48 PM
thank you,
bryan

MARF75
09-12-2007, 07:28 PM
JBG sells them specifically for a 60 now............probably the bronco dist. that this dude mentioned that he talked to

mj
09-12-2007, 10:11 PM
link to the d60 specific ones plz?
I just spun circle on broncograveyard website bt cant even find the wedges I ordered :)

hog_face
09-12-2007, 10:52 PM
http://broncograveyard.com/bronco/i-33949_c-bushing_radius_arm_mounts.htm

mj
09-13-2007, 07:45 AM
thanks
that is a different part number then the ones I got, now I am a bit hopeful...

babronco66
09-13-2007, 06:23 PM
I called jbg and they told me the wedges are for a dana 44. I could grind or machine them to fit a dana 60. Don't know just what I was told.
bryan

OX
09-15-2007, 05:08 AM
I called jbg and they told me the wedges are for a dana 44. I could grind or machine them to fit a dana 60. Don't know just what I was told.
bryan

They told you over the phone that the wedges they advertise for a 60 are for a
44? What did they say when you asked them why they advertise them for a 60?

babronco66
09-15-2007, 06:40 AM
I even gave them the part number, so they could look it up. They still said the wedges were for a dana 44. They told me that nobody makes the wedges for a dana 60 (that you don't have to grind or use a spacer). Now I am thinking of buying the Cage arm bracket. It welds to the axle and replaces the wedges.
bryan

mj
09-15-2007, 10:01 AM
the Cage stuff looks stupid to me.
if you are going to spend big BANK on a suspension system I certainly cant suggest keeping the radius arms
why would you be afraid of a little grinding to get the wedges to fit?

I would try speaking to someone else at JBG, like any place with employees, it is a crap shoot to get someone that knows wtf they are talking about

Big91RustyBucket
10-10-2007, 09:11 PM
Duff's wedge's are $85 . I need some to any updates on these ?

Gregg_O
10-11-2007, 02:47 PM
If they are nice and good $$, then I'd sell my Jeff's wedges and probably buy yours. I would also liked them to be notched for the 80+ HP60s.

Thanks!

yes yes yes. This is what i need to make my life easier. If your gonna make them soon ill take two sets, if not im going leafs

JoshTurner
10-11-2007, 04:43 PM
Jeffs Bronco Graveyard now sells them to fit the D-60...

Dusty
10-11-2007, 09:46 PM
I've heard from people who've called JBG about them that they're actually regular old D44 wedges and that you have to grind them for use on the 60. If you actually call them and find out different please let us know.

It would be nice if the guy in this thread would let us all know whatever happened to his project. I'd buy a few sets for the shelf.

Dusty

DRKelly
10-12-2007, 05:54 AM
There seems to be a lot of talk about grinding wedges to fit a D60. As I posted on the first page of this thread, I bought the wedges from Duff, and did NOT have to grind them to fit my 78/79 HP D60. The radius on the inside of the wedges fit the radius of the axle tube perfectly. I did have to fab a set of 1/2" spacers though to fit between the cap and arm. They have worked flawlessly so far.

babronco66
10-12-2007, 06:44 AM
People are grinding the wedges so a spacer will not be needed. I have called jbg and the wedges that are for a dana 60 swap, are for a dana 44. You will have to make a spacer or grind the radius on the wedges. I have called them 4 or 5 times even gave the part number and still get told the same thing. Maybe if everyone starts calling jbg and asking about the wedges, they will change ad. Just my opinion.
bryan

TBOwi
10-13-2007, 05:18 PM
Sorry folks had some personal things that needed taking care of...

We are still working on getting these done...We just have to find what is the most cost affective for you folks & us...So far the price would be over what the D-44 wedges would cost...closer to the $100 price for a set of 4...

Also trying to decide if we want the wedges to have the track bar mount on them or not...Id like to make them both ways but the cost is to much at this point...

This coming week I go & talk to another foundry & see what kind of deal we can get from them...Im also working on getting a website set up...

There seems to be interest in these but not sure if theres enuff...I put this out on 3 different Ford sites but got it on 2...This is the only place I got interest in...Fullsize Bronco.com refused me asking the question or even sending people to this thread...

But we are working on it & Id say within a few months I should have some made to go out for you folks...I may even do a pre order to see if I get enuff orders for a mini run on these...Set up cost & having molds made for the foundry cost....I also wont say order, get your cash & then say oops we have them on backorder...

Ill try to check here more...Best way is to send me an email...

Ranger1
10-23-2007, 06:50 AM
I think there is a bigger market for ones with the intergrated lower track bar mount like stock. How many orders do you need to make it worth your while to make them with the track bar mount ?

I think I can make money selling my D44 and buying a set of these wedges.

Cash in hand ready to send ! Do you want a check, money order or paypal ?

KyleQ
10-23-2007, 09:53 AM
I'm suprised that FSB turned you away. I'm going to be putting a D60 under our 78 Bronco and need the c wedges. I'll keep a close eye on this, probably order from you when we are ready...

TBOwi
10-23-2007, 05:38 PM
Those that sent emails Ill get them answerd tonight...

At this point the plan is to offer them with & without the track mount...

Im trying to move this along as fast as I can but it all takes time...

KyleQ I was also...All I did was ask the same questions I did here....Its Joes site so its all good...

TBOwi
11-04-2007, 03:33 AM
Folks I need a wedge with the track bar on it...IF anyone can get one let me know ASAP!!!...Im holding back till I get one...I have an axle with the one I need on but its a good axle & I dont want to hack it up...Im waiting till Wensday if I dont have one by then Im cutting up the good axle for it..

Email me at fordwedgies@hotmail.com ...Thanks...

84EB
11-04-2007, 07:51 AM
Here are some other options
http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/Flat-bottom-radius-arm-coil-mounts_p_32-1184.html
http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/Coil-Radius-arm-combo-Zero-degree-one-side_p_32-1163.html
http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/Coil-Radius-arm-combo-15-degree-one-side_p_32-1162.html
And some for rocks
http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/Rockwell-flat-bottom-radius-arm-coil-mounts_p_32-1194.html

Big91RustyBucket
11-04-2007, 08:30 AM
Folks I need a wedge with the track bar on it...IF anyone can get one let me know ASAP!!!...Im holding back till I get one...I have an axle with the one I need on but its a good axle & I dont want to hack it up...Im waiting till Wensday if I dont have one by then Im cutting up the good axle for it..

Email me at fordwedgies@hotmail.com ...Thanks...


Well Hurry Up I just won a giveaway for some D60 stuff so I am gonna need some of these soon :)

JoshTurner
11-04-2007, 04:33 PM
Here are some other options
http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/Flat-bottom-radius-arm-coil-mounts_p_32-1184.html
http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/Coil-Radius-arm-combo-Zero-degree-one-side_p_32-1163.html
http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/Coil-Radius-arm-combo-15-degree-one-side_p_32-1162.html
And some for rocks
http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/Rockwell-flat-bottom-radius-arm-coil-mounts_p_32-1194.html


& how does that fit this thread??...:shaking:

84EB
11-04-2007, 09:34 PM
HAHA, I guess it would help if I read the entire thread. I just skimmed over some of it and got the impression it was about not being able to locate wedges for D60s. Sorry guys, just ignore me.:emb2:

Big91RustyBucket
11-05-2007, 07:04 AM
HAHA, I guess it would help if I read the entire thread. I just skimmed over some of it and got the impression it was about not being able to locate wedges for D60s. Sorry guys, just ignore me.:emb2:

Yeah this thread is definately not about that.

TBOwi
11-06-2007, 06:38 PM
1 step closer to making these...I cut up a good D44 I had...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/MUDDOG4X4/Wedges/100_0464.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/MUDDOG4X4/Wedges/100_0467.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/MUDDOG4X4/Wedges/100_0468.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/MUDDOG4X4/Wedges/100_0474.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/MUDDOG4X4/Wedges/100_0471.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/MUDDOG4X4/Wedges/100_0470.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/MUDDOG4X4/Wedges/100_0472.jpg

Dats all for now...

Big91RustyBucket
11-14-2007, 10:23 PM
1 step closer to making these...I cut up a good D44 I had...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/MUDDOG4X4/Wedges/100_0464.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/MUDDOG4X4/Wedges/100_0467.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/MUDDOG4X4/Wedges/100_0468.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/MUDDOG4X4/Wedges/100_0474.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/MUDDOG4X4/Wedges/100_0471.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/MUDDOG4X4/Wedges/100_0470.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v137/MUDDOG4X4/Wedges/100_0472.jpg

Dats all for now...


So those are weld on Wedges? I have the same looking on mine , and thought they were cast. hmmm....

TBOwi
11-21-2007, 11:38 PM
So those are weld on Wedges? I have the same looking on mine , and thought they were cast. hmmm....

Whoops...Just noticed your post...Its easy to tell..On the weld on ones you can see the weld...The other you cant...

FSeriesBronco78
11-22-2007, 07:08 AM
Any update. This is an great idea.

TBOwi
11-22-2007, 04:41 PM
Any update. This is an great idea.

Shooting for around the 1st of the new year...This time of year is hard for the foundry...I went there on Wens & they were closed for a week for hunting...They are a VERY close family so the holidays mean alot to them..

Also Im going from this just being an idea in my head 1 day to actually making this work the next...So Im learning as I go...I want to make it so I can do it as easy as I can so in the end the customer dosent have any probs...

dotcom
11-23-2007, 08:48 AM
You gonna make one for the track bar mount too?

TBOwi
11-23-2007, 03:11 PM
You gonna make one for the track bar mount too?

Yes...They will be offerd with & without the mount on them...

dotcom
11-24-2007, 05:42 AM
Winner. You'll be the only vendor that offers that feature.

Dusty
11-24-2007, 01:54 PM
He'll be the only vendor that offers a D60-ready wedge, period (well, he and whoever he signs up as a dealer...hint hint). The other currently available offerings are D44 wedges you have to grind or use spacers.

Dusty

TBOwi
11-24-2007, 04:33 PM
He'll be the only vendor that offers a D60-ready wedge, period (well, he and whoever he signs up as a dealer...hint hint). The other currently available offerings are D44 wedges you have to grind or use spacers.

Dusty

We havent forgotten you Dusty...HEHEHEHE

greythorn
11-27-2007, 04:45 AM
I will want a set of these also...

Ray

weridedirt
11-28-2007, 10:55 AM
i just picked up my 60 yesterday so i'll be watching for release!!!:D

SC74
11-28-2007, 02:06 PM
I bought a set from James Duff and they fit the 60 perfectly. They are advertised to fit the 44 with grinding required for the 60, but I must have gotten lucky.

JoshTurner
11-28-2007, 04:14 PM
I bought a set from James Duff and they fit the 60 perfectly. They are advertised to fit the 44 with grinding required for the 60, but I must have gotten lucky.

SO you didnt need a spacer or anything???

SC74
12-01-2007, 06:55 PM
No spacers required - the diameter of the 60 axle tube and Duff wedge fit perfectly.

TBOwi
12-01-2007, 11:59 PM
No spacers required - the diameter of the 60 axle tube and Duff wedge fit perfectly.

Dosent sound right

jam0o0
12-02-2007, 11:07 AM
sc74 go try to put the RA's on it now. you will see that you can't get the cap and arm to come together with factory bolt torque.

i have the commonly availabel wedges and they will fit over the 60 tub fine. it's when you try to put the RA's on there that stuff starts not lining up.

JGVABronco78
12-17-2007, 07:11 AM
My experience with the JBG wedges, which I believe are the same wedges from Duffs, are that they fit the 3-1/8" D60 tube like a glove, but they would have been 5/8" too long for the radius arm, cap and bushings if I had welded them on like they came. I had 5/16" machined out of the radius of each one and then welded them on. It was a PITA. Next time I will probably just cut off the excess with a saw and grind the radius out by hand.

The wedges were obviously made for the 3-1/8" 60 as per the radius they used. I think JBG used the "they're for a 44" escape when they found out they weren't any good as sold for the 60 swap they claimed, even though they would still be 1/2" too big for a 44. Now why on earth would someone go to all the trouble to weld these on a 44 when there's a million already out there for dirt cheap? I think the mfr's feared patent infringement to produce an exact replica w/o license is why they're "a little off".

I would not incorporate a track bar mount in the left wedge. It would boost the price beyond what can easily be overcome by just adding a seperate one like I have pictured, or a u-clip and Heims to provide double-shear like many also have. Obviously they must be weldable cast steel, the wedges that is. Forged would be really nice.
http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL526/513809/712472/228640795.jpg

Richard w
12-17-2007, 01:28 PM
Hell of a great Idea

JGVABronco78
12-17-2007, 10:49 PM
More pics.

http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL526/513809/712472/228639992.jpg

http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL526/513809/712472/228640026.jpg

http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL526/513809/712472/237868023.jpg

I have a question also. I can see on the 85 to 91 60's where a combination of grinding the spring perch and the wedge could give you the needed room to get it on there, but how does the additional 2-1/4" outboard pumpkin offset effect the front driveline lateral angle? Its already favored a little outboard to start with isn't it?

TBOwi
12-18-2007, 09:54 PM
I would not incorporate a track bar mount in the left wedge. It would boost the price beyond what can easily be overcome by just adding a seperate one like I have pictured, or a u-clip and Heims to provide double-shear like many also have. Obviously they must be weldable cast steel, the wedges that is. Forged would be really nice.
http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL526/513809/712472/228640795.jpg

The reason for making these is so its easy for the avrage guy to do...Just weld on with little no know extra fab...Thats why I want to offer them with & with out the trac bar mount...

JGVABronco78
12-19-2007, 05:58 AM
Trust me, I wasn't being critical. I'll be the first in line to buy your wedges, especially if it includes the track bar mount. I just didn't see how the need for 2 molds instead of just one, and the extra drilling, reaming and milling(or double spot-facing) of the track bar mount could possibly pan out economically on such a small production run. How many sets are you thinking of doing on the first run?

79muddbug
12-19-2007, 03:13 PM
I have a ques. if all of you are doing this grinding and welding why not get the weld on brackets like cage sells? Or is this a bad idea?:eek:

JoshTurner
12-19-2007, 08:44 PM
I have a ques. if all of you are doing this grinding and welding why not get the weld on brackets like cage sells? Or is this a bad idea?:eek:


What weld on brackets??...& Cage is Spendy...

78Scronco
12-19-2007, 10:51 PM
Great idea. I would take a set as well.

Richard w
12-20-2007, 07:35 AM
I picked up a 1988 d60 for the front of my 1979 F150 has anyone did this install yet?
I know the 79 to 88 d60 are a bit diffrent in tube leinghts.

JoshTurner
12-20-2007, 06:03 PM
I picked up a 1988 d60 for the front of my 1979 F150 has anyone did this install yet?
I know the 79 to 88 d60 are a bit diffrent in tube leinghts.

Start your own thread douch...

79muddbug
12-28-2007, 09:07 AM
hows to wedges comin?? has anyone heard:eek:
and i was talkin bout the brackets you get with the cage rad. arm sas kit

TBOwi
12-29-2007, 01:11 AM
hows to wedges comin?? has anyone heard:eek:
and i was talkin bout the brackets you get with the cage rad. arm sas kit

We are still working on them...Took off for the holidays...We are having a hard time finding a foundry that can make these & one that we trust...

kstatecruiser1
01-19-2008, 08:32 AM
Any updates here?

DcSkater602
01-19-2008, 11:24 AM
personally im not a huge fan of the incorporated trac bar mount... people are just gonna order that and try to lift there truck to the sky and then have a 40inch drop at the frame rail...

i think its just more manufacturing time to try and build a machine trac bar mount in to them... that most rigs might be better off with a mount in a different location... anyone going higher than 6inches will probably need to build the lower mount higher...

worried about a load bearing mount like trac bar being liability issue?? people do dumb shit... the wedges will never mov but someone may be able to snap one of the off

good luck though ill def be up for a set

dc

bronczilla
01-25-2008, 05:29 AM
Looking into doing the swap soon, how long before they are available?

JoshTurner
01-25-2008, 05:55 PM
OK Folks...I just got off the phone with TBO...Hes had some health issues & hasnt been able to walk for a few weeks...He can move around a bit now..

Hes has gotten ahold of a foundry that say they can make these...His goal is to have a meeting with them on Thurs...

Hes itching to get this done as fast as he can... The parts that he is using to have the molds made off of are his own for a Bronco project that he needs to get done also..He cant move ahead on that till he has these made & have spares...

So thats the most recent news...

Ranger1
01-29-2008, 03:06 PM
I hope he is doing better. Your health is nothing to mess around with.

As soon as pricing info is ready i will know how many sets I am going to order.

KyleQ
02-01-2008, 12:10 PM
Looking forward to these - I'm picking up my D60 tommorow morning, may be ordering 2 sets!

Mud_Bogger
02-13-2008, 09:42 PM
personally im not a huge fan of the incorporated trac bar mount...

dc

Since everything is welded on to the D60 anyways, can't you just make a bracket for the track bar, and weld it where ever you need it. I mean, it doesn't HAVE to be in the same location as the D44 right?1/4 to the right,,, 1/4 to the left? As long as the axle is centered!!!

JGVABronco78
02-14-2008, 05:41 AM
Since everything is welded on to the D60 anyways, can't you just make a bracket for the track bar, and weld it where ever you need it. I mean, it doesn't HAVE to be in the same location as the D44 right?1/4 to the right,,, 1/4 to the left? As long as the axle is centered!!!

It doesn't have to be perfect, but the idea is to keep the track bar parallel to the cross-over drag-link to prevent adverse steering when cycling up and down, or what's known as bump steer. Whether or not to include the seperate bracket is one of the main focuses of this thread.

boggking
02-14-2008, 06:17 AM
W5, are these available yet? I made my first set, but I'd much rather buy them.

JGVABronco78
02-14-2008, 06:24 AM
W5, are these available yet? I made my first set, but I'd much rather buy them.

This thread was updated on January 25th, and there hasn't been any updates since. No, they are not ready yet. They are in the very earliest stage of planning at best. If there had been any progress at all since the OP's last post, I'm sure he would have updated himself.

boggking
02-14-2008, 06:30 AM
This thread was updated on January 25th, and there hasn't been any updates since. No, they are not ready yet. They are in the very earliest stage of planning at best. If there had been any progress at all since the OP's last post, I'm sure he would have updated himself.


Thank, I'm not in a big rush anyway.

Captainp4u1
02-21-2008, 10:42 PM
interested with the trac bar mount if this gets going anytime soon

79muddbug
04-11-2008, 04:02 PM
kind of sad to see this get thrown into the get ideas(but never finished)pile!:shaking:

JoshTurner
04-11-2008, 07:00 PM
His health isnt the greatest..It seems to be 1 thing after another for him...HE gets better then gets sick again..He sees the doc next month & should have some answers on that..


On the wedge thing he says hes sorry & feels like hes let people down...As soon as he can get up & moving again he will be working on this...His own project truck is getting put off also because he needs these parts also to finish up & he cant work on it himself....

So thats the latest news...

Dusty
04-11-2008, 08:23 PM
Thanks for the update Josh. Let TBO know we're anxious to see these finished but understand his health is more important. We wish him the best.

Dusty

JoshTurner
04-12-2008, 03:54 AM
Thanks for the update Josh. Let TBO know we're anxious to see these finished but understand his health is more important. We wish him the best.

Dusty

Dusty thanks...Ill pass it on to him..

79muddbug
04-12-2008, 09:12 AM
Thanks for the update Josh. Let TBO know we're anxious to see these finished but understand his health is more important. We wish him the best.

Dusty





X2..........sorryto hear,:)

Ranger1
05-27-2008, 03:35 AM
On the wedge thing he says hes sorry & feels like hes let people down...As soon as he can get up & moving again he will be working on this...His own project truck is getting put off also because he needs these parts also to finish up & he cant work on it himself....

So thats the latest news...

hey thats ok, stuff happends, you get sick you get sick, I hope he gets better soon.

Without getting too personal are we talking something serious ?

Taragon
06-15-2008, 11:40 AM
TBO and Josh......

If you arent a vendor, you arent allowed to sell these here till you get a yellow star. Mass produced items fall under the "vendor" catagory.

Its the rules. Follow them.

JoshTurner
06-15-2008, 12:39 PM
TBO and Josh......

If you arent a vendor, you arent allowed to sell these here till you get a yellow star. Mass produced items fall under the "vendor" catagory.

Its the rules. Follow them.


Hey stick it up your ass & buy a star yourself..:flipoff2:...No where does it say that these are for sale...Hence the title "feeler"

If this wasnt allowed it wouldnt have gone 5 pages...

Big91RustyBucket
06-15-2008, 05:08 PM
TBO and Josh......

If you arent a vendor, you arent allowed to sell these here till you get a yellow star. Mass produced items fall under the "vendor" catagory.

Its the rules. Follow them.

Well seeing he was designing them not selling them he isn't a vendor yet so ...:flipoff2:When he pimps them for sale is when he needs the yellow star.

79muddbug
06-16-2008, 04:43 PM
tbo And Josh......

If You Arent A Vendor, You Arent Allowed To Sell These Here Till You Get A Yellow Star. Mass Produced Items Fall Under The "vendor" Catagory.

Its The Rules. Follow Them.

Thats Like Saying You Need A Red Star To Post,,,taragon(mr. I Know All The Rules)

Captainp4u1
06-18-2008, 02:23 PM
well my 60 is already under the bronco, so I'm out on the trac bar mount.

Ranger1
10-03-2008, 03:07 PM
Any news or are these dead ?

Do you need someone to invest some money ? Cash in hand.

mj
10-03-2008, 07:34 PM
for starters I would like to wish TBO a speedy recovery to his health issues

I have a set of the available wedges, broncograveyard iirc, and was just doing some eyeballing to see how they fit,
seems they are not even a great fit on a d44, they are different size then the stockers

I dont recall what the application was for these wedges but today it seems d60 swapping is the main reason people are buying them to my knowledge so if you guys are able to get it together there will be a market for as long as the old bodies are still surviving

JGVABronco78
10-03-2008, 08:59 PM
for starters I would like to wish TBO a speedy recovery to his health issues

I have a set of the available wedges, broncograveyard iirc, and was just doing some eyeballing to see how they fit,
seems they are not even a great fit on a d44, they are different size then the stockers

I dont recall what the application was for these wedges but today it seems d60 swapping is the main reason people are buying them to my knowledge so if you guys are able to get it together there will be a market for as long as the old bodies are still surviving

The pair is 1/2" too long for a 44; 5/8" too long for a 60. The radius is made to fit the 3-1/8" D60 tube. JBG tried to tell me they were too big for the 60 because they were designed for a 44. They are not. They are advertised to install on a Dana 60, but the only thing they fit that I've heard is for an extended radius arm swap which uses a longer capture point on the bushings. I've never confirmed this first hand, but I believe I got it off there tech BB.

billybob13
05-11-2009, 09:59 PM
Start your own thread douch...
yeah, start your own thread, fag.:mad3:
His health isnt the greatest..It seems to be 1 thing after another for him...HE gets better then gets sick again..He sees the doc next month & should have some answers on that..


On the wedge thing he says hes sorry & feels like hes let people down...As soon as he can get up & moving again he will be working on this...His own project truck is getting put off also because he needs these parts also to finish up & he cant work on it himself....

So thats the latest news...
any word on his health yet? i hope he's ok.

Hey stick it up your ass & buy a star yourself..:flipoff2:...No where does it say that these are for sale...Hence the title "feeler"

If this wasnt allowed it wouldnt have gone 5 pages...
yeah dickhead, stick it up your homosexual ass.:mr-t:
Well seeing he was designing them not selling them he isn't a vendor yet so ...:flipoff2:When he pimps them for sale is when he needs the yellow star.
are these for sale yet? i am interested and want to see how well they came out-

4XFORD
05-11-2009, 10:09 PM
Ya know, it really does no good to chop one head off of a two headed snake. Someone should finish the job.