just screwen around on the net and came across this

thought you might be interisted

http://community.webshots.com/photo/35122432/35122672gdZAvA

dana 60

That pic does it no justice. you should have shown the knuckles. There huge. The u-joints are big also. my buddy bought one. It has A 502 big block in it with A alison tranny. With that kind of power it has to be stout. and it is. Thay look to me to be twice the size as a d60.

I don't care how beefy they are. It's just more shiat to break. What the hell was GM thinking?

What the hell are you thinking?!?!? When it comes it towing rear steer kicks ass. The next new truck I get will have it for sure.

Ken H.


Originally posted by Jakesteramalamajama
I don't care how beefy they are. It's just more shiat to break. What the hell was GM thinking?

Originally posted by four_by_ken
What the hell are you thinking?!?!? When it comes it towing rear steer kicks ass. The next new truck I get will have it for sure.

Ken H.




No... What the hell are YOU thinking? Rear steer (and all the attendant linkage, garbage, etc.) adds weight, complexity and merely reaffirms GM's (and the auto industry in general's) commitment to turning any vehicle that could possibly be used off road (or converted for use thereon) into a feature-bloated pavement-pounding highway cruiser.

:flipoff2: Newbie!

Jake

If you have a chance, on weekend mornings, sometmies they show a 1.2 hour long infomercial on them. it's interesting, if nothing else.

My dad just bought a new Denali with the rear steer. I'll snap some pics of it and the knuckles today while I'm out in the garage. It's pretty cool. The truck has a turning radius better than a Saturn. I dont know what other trucks that theyre putting the rear steer on, but I know that my dad doesn't plan on taking his $40k truck off-roading any time soon and neither does anyone else who buys one of those things. As for Beef, it's at least as beefy as a d60 front end, if not more so. So if you're worried about the axle holding up off-road, it will do at least as good as a d60 rear steer. I know one thing though . . . these axles are going to be like gold to us off-roaders when they start hitting the junk yards. :D

J. J.

Originally posted by Oxjockey
If you have a chance, on weekend mornings, sometmies they show a 1.2 hour long infomercial on them. it's interesting, if nothing else.

I've seen it. It really is a slick piece of engineering, I'm not denying that... It just pisses me off that every time GM (or Ford, or whomever) comes out with some schmancy new piece of rolling pseudo-trucklike luxo-mobile that's burdened with every concievable feature under the sun and been designed to never leave the highway, the Automotive press oohs and aahs and kisses their ass for it.
Case in point--motor trend's "truck" of the year: The Chevy Avalance. A vehicle that would leave a swath of plastic side-body cladding a mile wide were it to attempt to negociate any trail I'VE ever seen.

They turn the Hummer into a mall-crawling soccer mom assault vehicle, Motor Trend says what a great serious off-road machine it is, and the average suburban-dewelling sheep of this country believe every word of it.

Grrrrrrrrrrr. :mad:

Jake

I agree with you there. While I was taking these pics today I noticed how small many of the major components on my dad's Denali are. His A-arms in the front are about 1/3 the size and strength of my mom's 2000 Land Cruiser. They are about 1/4 the size of an F-150. Talk about shitty! And his truck is a suppossed 3/4 ton! Let's not even get into the strength compared to my Superduty's solid front!

Anyway, at least they didn't skimp on the rear axle. Here are the pics:

http://www.patooyee.com/miscpics/denali1.jpg

http://www.patooyee.com/miscpics/denali2.jpg

http://www.patooyee.com/miscpics/denali3.jpg

http://www.patooyee.com/miscpics/denali4.jpg

http://www.patooyee.com/miscpics/denali5.jpg

J. J.

looks cool.. i know it would be effective for street driving.. but for anything hardcore in swapping.. i dont think it will be that strong.. It looks like it doesnt use ujoint.. possibly a cvshaft?? i dunno.. its hard to tell from the pics... also.. think about whats going to happen to the Rack and Pinion when something hits it.. i know its got one hell of a skid plate on it.. but knowing gm and skid plates its probably plastic :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Cool idea, but keep it to the street

Use the housing, fab the rest. Cool axle.

why is electric steering ok for the street but hydrolic steering is not

Originally posted by flmanyj
why is electric steering ok for the street but hydrolic steering is not

COMPUTER CONTROLLED.. AND RETURN TO CENTER

Originally posted by ImKuNfusED
looks cool.. i know it would be effective for street driving.. but for anything hardcore in swapping.. i dont think it will be that strong.. It looks like it doesnt use ujoint.. possibly a cvshaft?? i dunno.. its hard to tell from the pics... also.. think about whats going to happen to the Rack and Pinion when something hits it.. i know its got one hell of a skid plate on it.. but knowing gm and skid plates its probably plastic :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Cool idea, but keep it to the street

Uh, I'm not sure what it uses, but if it is CV it is actually stronger than a u-joint since it divides the torque between 2 u-joints and puts less angularity on both. And that skid is 3/16, thicker than most of our skids. So from that angle, you're wrong.

J. J.

Originally posted by patooyee


Uh, I'm not sure what it uses, but if it is CV it is actually stronger than a u-joint since it divides the torque between 2 u-joints and puts less angularity on both. And that skid is 3/16, thicker than most of our skids. So from that angle, you're wrong.

J. J.

Tell me this.. who would want a cv shaft, over a 1 1/2 35 spline d60 shaft with the ujoint???

As i said.. keep it to the street

Even if it uses the 30 spline shafts.. its still stronger

Originally posted by ImKuNfusED
Tell me this.. who would want a cv shaft, over a 1 1/2 35 spline d60 shaft with the ujoint???

Given the right size and design CV shaft - I would take it over a Dana 60 U joint ANY DAY.

Normal CV's don't use U-joints.

Originally posted by patooyee


Uh, I'm not sure what it uses, but if it is CV it is actually stronger than a u-joint since it divides the torque between 2 u-joints and puts less angularity on both. And that skid is 3/16, thicker than most of our skids. So from that angle, you're wrong.

J. J.

What you are describing is one of the biggest mis-named things I see :p

You are thinking of what is called a driveshaft "CV" - which is NOT a CV at all.

A CV is a "constand velocity" joint - and by definition the double U joint (What I have always seen called a "double cardan" joint) is NOT a constand velocity joint...

A CV joint is what you see in the front shafts of IFS Toyota trucks, or front wheel drive cars...

Originally posted by Jakesteramalamajama


I've seen it. It really is a slick piece of engineering, I'm not denying that... It just pisses me off that every time GM (or Ford, or whomever) comes out with some schmancy new piece of rolling pseudo-trucklike luxo-mobile that's burdened with every concievable feature under the sun and been designed to never leave the highway, the Automotive press oohs and aahs and kisses their ass for it.
Case in point--motor trend's "truck" of the year: The Chevy Avalance. A vehicle that would leave a swath of plastic side-body cladding a mile wide were it to attempt to negociate any trail I'VE ever seen.

They turn the Hummer into a mall-crawling soccer mom assault vehicle, Motor Trend says what a great serious off-road machine it is, and the average suburban-dewelling sheep of this country believe every word of it.

Grrrrrrrrrrr. :mad:

Jake


HA! WHOA! Slow down there Mr. Grumpy!

I don't think 99% of the population gives a rats ass what kind of trails their 2003 vehicle can negotiate! I know my Dad dosent and he will take that truck on plenty of dirt hunting land roads once hunting season rolls around.

Your logic would be similar to a homo critisizing the new honda's for not having enough male sex appeal to attract a mate. He might say that Motortrend drules over the new Honda Civic but really, who can get laid in a Honda Civic? Every car and truck should have enough sex appeal to get a gay man some dong or it SUCKS! GRRRRHHHHH!!!

And he would be wrong seeing as there are not many gay homos out there that would value a quality such as gay sex appeal as much as him and his small group.

Same logic, think about it :D

Originally posted by ImKuNfusED


Tell me this.. who would want a cv shaft, over a 1 1/2 35 spline d60 shaft with the ujoint???

As i said.. keep it to the street

Even if it uses the 30 spline shafts.. its still stronger

Very few in the off-road world. But the question wasn't "Who wants it?" The question was "What is stronger," which I guess we really don't know until we find out some more about the CV in there, if it is indeed a CV. I highly doubt that it is a conventional CV like you would find in the front of an IFS but I could be wrong.

J. J.

Originally posted by TyTy

Same logic, think about it :D

:smokin: Uh . . . I don't really follow, but what the hell! It's still funny!

J. J.

Originally posted by patooyee
we really don't know until we find out some more about the CV in there, if it is indeed a CV. I highly doubt that it is a conventional CV like you would find in the front of an IFS but I could be wrong.J. J.


By looking at this pic you posted:

http://www.patooyee.com/miscpics/denali5.jpg


That IS from the way it looks a "CV" joint - just like is in the front of an IFS truck - same DESIGN, but bigger.

Originally posted by DRM
That IS from the way it looks a "CV" joint - just like is in the front of an IFS truck - same DESIGN, but bigger.

I agree. So I guess the question is, how much stronger/weaker is it than a regular old u-joint?

It's got to be pretty damned strong considering the safety margin that companies build to. I mean, they used the d60 u-joint in the front of a less powerful engine. Being that this is the rear of a more powerful engine, I'de imagine it's AT LEAST as strong.

Of course, this train of logica could be flawed since the safety margin of the a-arms in the front is SHITTY!

J. J.

newer dosn't mean better to me. I wish they would build new trucks in dead simple basic design. no fancy pull out cupholders, no plastick covers, no anything for looks, just dead simple function.
yeah I know I'm dreaming most people wouldn't even look at it.