CJ5?? I ran several searches and came across lots of info on putting waggy springs into CJ7s and YJs, but what about CJ5s? Anyone know how spring lengths compare? I of course would have to take into account steering geometry and clearance with the gas tank. Anything else? I was thinking waggy 7 leaf fronts at all 4 corners... That should move front out 2" and rear out 2".

I'm looking for a fairly easy way to get some extra wheelbase. Help me out here, or point me in a direction I can go look. Thanks.

same as a CJ7 :rolleyes:

Ok, so anyone got pics of this done to a CJ5 or 7? I'm going to continue to search, but it never hurts to ask.

So if it's the same as a CJ7, how do CJ7 and YJ stock springs compare? Length? I know the width is different, I also believe YJ springs are a little longer, but how much? Thanks.

The Waggy springs are 22.5"-24.5" for a total of 47".

I might be off by a little but I'm pretty sure the YJ springs are 22.5"-22.5" for a total of 45". The CJ springs are just a little shorter than the YJ springs ( ~22"-22" total 44"). Check my CJ and YJ stats, I might be off a little.

Originally posted by CJ-Jeeper
same as a CJ7 :rolleyes:

Will this work? Putting CJ7 rear springs on the front of a CJ7? I have been looking at waggy springs for the front, currently I have 4" trailmaster springs, and I thought of retaining the rear trailmaster spring [interestingly enough it measures the same length and arch as the stock rear, probably stiffer], and putting the stock rear 6-pack spring on the front. Has anyone done this? I am going to do a SOA SR.

Thanks

Originally posted by websurfshop


Will this work? Putting CJ7 rear springs on the front of a CJ7? I have been looking at waggy springs for the front, currently I have 4" trailmaster springs, and I thought of retaining the rear trailmaster spring [interestingly enough it measures the same length and arch as the stock rear, probably stiffer], and putting the stock rear 6-pack spring on the front. Has anyone done this? I am going to do a SOA SR.

Thanks

The rear spring should work fine in the front. They're all the same length.

Anyone know where I can find specs on waggy front 7 leaf springs and on CJ5 springs? I've been searching endlessly and I can't find anything specific as to the difference between the two.

Just looking for clarification. I think:
- YJ Springs are 2.5" wide, and CJ springs are 2"
- Waggy springs are same width as YJ springs?
- CJ springs are 45" long, waggy springs are 47" or 46" long?
- Waggy springs have a 2" offset on the front springs.

So really all I have to do to outfit waggy springs on my CJ5 is get shackle hangers and shackles for a YJ, and mount the waggy springs with the long offset mounted on the solid shackle end (I'm currently setup without a SR). Some one PLEASE correct me if I am wrong.

Next question: I'm running Scout Dana 44s F/R, with the little to no caster that a scout axles has, will using offset waggy springs cause any problems? What potential steering problems will I have?

Lastly: Is there anything else I am overlooking? You guys are the experts here... help me out. I'm trying to extend my wheelbase to make it more stable with 36" tires in a SOA setup.

First i'll clarify I'm talking about '76 & newr CJ5's. All older CJ's had narrow 1.75" springs front & rear.

FSJ (Waggoneer), YJ & rear CJ 5 & 7 springs are 2.5" wide.
Front CJ 5 & 7 are 2" wide.

CJ front & rear are 45" long (centered pin)

YJ front & rear are a little longer than CJ (~0.5")

FSJ front are 47" long (22.5 + 24.5). Note that the center would be @ 23.5", thus the pin is offset 1". The long side is 2" longer than your CJ's, so it movees the axle 2" w/ the long side on the solid mount. The shackle hangers need to be moved & swap to a 2.5" one on the front.
The offset on the Waggy springs should tilt the axle back slightly, increasing the camber. The change would probably be insignificant with a stock spring, more with a lift spring because of the arch.
Of course if you have a shackle reversal it's all backwards.

Hope this clears everything up.

Wayne

For the Waggy spring to be used in the rear of a CJ set-up, does the shackle mount have to be moved, or can one of those boomerang shackles be used instead?

The spring is longer, so yes the shackle needs to be moved.
A boomerang shackle does not change the angle It just makes more clearance if the shackle would otherwise hit something like the bumper.
Actually, if you use flat springs, you might be OK witout moving the hanger since the spring would only pull it forward in droop or compression.
A longer shackle would help the angle some too.

Originally posted by CJ-Jeeper

The offset on the Waggy springs should tilt the axle back slightly, increasing the camber. The change would probably be insignificant with a stock spring, more with a lift spring because of the arch.
Of course if you have a shackle reversal it's all backwards.

Hope this clears everything up.

Wayne

Ok, I don't have a shackle reversal, but when I do this and go SOA, I was thinking I would reverse the shackles... I'm having trouble grasping what you mean by it's all backwards?

On the front end if the shackle is at the rear, and long offset is mounted to the shackle does this induce axle wrap? Is it better to leave it as a standard shackle setup?

Also in your second post you referenced using a flat spring? Flat meaning stock, or flat meaning physically flat (no-arch when loaded)?

Thanks for all your help.

If you do a shackle reverersal the solid mount is in the front. Now if you put the long end on the solid mount you are moving the axle back instead of forward. That's what i mean by backwards.

On an arched spring @ any piont along the spring a tangent line will be @ a different angle, thus tilting the axle. If your spring pads are'nt welded on top yet, you can just put them 2 the angle that gives you the castor/pinion angle you want. Or you could use steel shims that bolt to the spring pack, like the ones Rubicon Express sells.

If you are having so much trouble understaning this stuff, you're not ready to do it yourself.