Yes I did a search, most of the pics are just a red x now.
I have a idea of what I want to do then I saw how Glen did his on his old Jeep, which makes me re think what I want to do. most of my thought is how am I going to re attach my winch mounts since they are in the spot where the out boar hangers will be.

I took a basic warn winch mount and cut the side tabs off and welded them back on at a 90. http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/781568-P5220075.jpg http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/781570-P5220076.jpg the rear is pretty easy

CJ, shoot me an email if you want me to email you outboarded spring pics...I think I have a few of the red X ones on my hard drive.
Just dont want to send em to ya if you dont have enough "pipe' on your end.
randi@cj7.com
MJ

This one still has good pics.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44210&highlight=spring

Originally posted by Mr.N
This one still has good pics.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44210&highlight=spring
Saw it and did not like it.

Which one didnt you like?

For the winch mount I am going to cut my side plates use one back hole and put a bolt in there and weld the rest on. I want my winch removeable so I am going to leave a slot for the carrige bolts.

Steve

here are mine

one almost finished, and one in teh mockup stage.
they are bolted with grade 8 half inch bolts, and upon final alighnment check they will be welded also.


http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/782345-hang1.jpg

http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/782347-hang2.jpg

Might be overkill, but this is 3x5 rectangle tubing tucked back in the frame, with 2.5 OD through that holding the hangers.

http://www.colorado4x4.org/uploads/frontend1.jpg

Here is the rear pirch of the front spring

Here is the front integrated onto the bumper

As for the winch, that could be integrated to the top of this quite easily, the bumper is 1/4" thick tube, before the encaps are welded on ya could reach in and spot weld nuts on either side for your winch brackets to bolt into!!! Just an Idea!!!

I like the bumper idea it leaves the frame holes that the winch bolts to alone so no mods necessary there. So far I like the ones that slag burn did the best.

Here is a drawling of my brackets

Here is the Rear

Here are some pics

http://ledjer.junkyarddawgs.org/images/Hanger4s.jpg
http://ledjer.junkyarddawgs.org/images/hanger1s.jpg
http://ledjer.junkyarddawgs.org/images/hanger2s.jpg
http://ledjer.junkyarddawgs.org/images/hanger3s.jpg
http://ledjer.junkyarddawgs.org/images/hanger4s.jpg
http://ledjer.junkyarddawgs.org/images/hanger5s.jpg
http://ledjer.junkyarddawgs.org/images/hanger6s.jpg

Here's what I did for hangers. You can kind of make out my winch mount also.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/fronthanger2.jpg

http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/rearhanger2.jpg

this is a picture of a friend of mines... it aint pretty, but it ain't going anywhere either...

http://users2.ev1.net/~gpeters89/PC270059.JPG

What about shackle reversal and out board springs, any pictures or comments:question: :question: :question: :question:

Hey
Could you send that info to me as well
Intend to put an international D44 front on my cj
thanks Omer
omerk@netplus.co.il

Found this in another thread another nice job.http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=586296

http://www.patooyee.com/bigbuildup/DSC00581.JPG

http://www.patooyee.com/bigbuildup/DSC00582.JPG

More at my web site.

J. J.

More at my web site.

J. J. [/B]

Your link is old but it worked

Jerry, I have your drawings on my site from way back when - I forgot where I got them. You can link to them -

http://www.dana60.com/images/BRACKET1.jpg

http://www.dana60.com/images/BRACKET2.jpg

If you have updated ones with your name on them, I'll host them, instead.

Bryan

Originally posted by CJ


Your link is old but it worked

Thanks for pointing that out to me! I'll fix it.

J. J.

what material are you guys using for this? .25" plate?


edit: and nevermind, I just saw that in those design layouts.

shakle reversal also.

front:

rear.

since you're completely outside of the frame, has anyone hung the springs at a height above the bottom of the frame? :confused:

I'm just wondering if that wouldn't get you a couple of inches lower such that you keep a lower COG, but the same flex. Then you just cut your body some more. :D

Or is this going to put the springs rubbing on the side of the frame?

Originally posted by gipper
since you're completely outside of the frame, has anyone hung the springs at a height above the bottom of the frame? :confused:

I'm just wondering if that wouldn't get you a couple of inches lower such that you keep a lower COG, but the same flex. Then you just cut your body some more. :D

Or is this going to put the springs rubbing on the side of the frame?

my COG is silly low already. Its not worth the clearance loss in my case.

on a build dependant basis i think that raiseing them above or equal to the botom of the frame wouldnt be such a bad idea to keep in mind.

Originally posted by gipper
since you're completely outside of the frame, has anyone hung the springs at a height above the bottom of the frame? :confused:

I'm just wondering if that wouldn't get you a couple of inches lower such that you keep a lower COG, but the same flex. Then you just cut your body some more. :D

Or is this going to put the springs rubbing on the side of the frame?

I did rise the hanger too lower the CG but not to where the spring was above the bottom of the frame. The spring bolt goes through a sleeved hole in the plate reinforced frame.

Here is the front, I added a 3"x3" rec tube as a crossmember to the front of the frame rails to extend the wheel base a few more inches, then slightly cantlevered (sp?) the spring hangers under the crossmember.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3d808b3127cce8a7743bec34d0000001610 http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3d808b3127cce8a7740cb83a10000001610 http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b3d808b3127cce8a774147c3b50000001610

I did move to smaller(shorter)shackles but that gives an idea:D

Looks like somebody's got Avalanche's kit :rolleyes: .

Here's my setup. 3.5 x 3.5 0.25. leaves 0.25 on each side for the bushing and 2.5 for the YJ spring pack. Rear mount is 2 x 2 0.25 receiver tube with 0.25 plate on the dog house

Sorry for the pose. It's the only one I have of the front. Obviously I am still in the buildup stages. Here's the rear mount.

Hey Sceep

I see that your reversal is about 4inchs or more out of dimension from stock... how is your caster corrected for? Are you using degrees shims on the pumpkin pad or did you machine the pad to correct for the increased neg caster?

Here is couple of pics of how I mounted the the front with shackle reversal. There are a couple of more at the geocities link below.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1876528 http://www.angelfire.com/journal/ROCKCRAWLER/grantspics/grant402.jpg

Originally posted by CJ5inFourWheelDrive
Looks like somebody's got Avalanche's kit :rolleyes: .

Actually Poison Spyder's kit

but easy to install and sturdy:D

hey guys those are some really good Ideas on outboarding I am currently in the process of swapping some dana 44s in my 84 cj7 and this post helps alot with the ideas

Originally posted by CJ5inFourWheelDrive
Looks like somebody's got Avalanche's kit :rolleyes: .

this coming from someone who's asking about what 33" boggers will look like on thier rig? what a :clown:

Originally posted by CJ5inFourWheelDrive
Looks like somebody's got Avalanche's kit :rolleyes: .

A great comment coming from the guy whose questions border on the Newbie forum requirements. What exactly do you have against the Poison Spyder (not Avalanche anymore) kit?

Edit: Guess I should have read the whole thread first. Fullsize and I were thinking the same thing.

Originally posted by CSP


A great comment coming from the guy whose questions border on the Newbie forum requirements. What exactly do you have against the Poison Spyder (not Avalanche anymore) kit?

Edit: Guess I should have read the whole thread first. Fullsize and I were thinking the same thing.
;)



those are some good lookin setups, but WTF is with you guys not reversing the shackle at the same time? is it just me or is it cool to be borderline out of control on the highway and bend the shit outta springs on the trail? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by FULLSIZE

;)



those are some good lookin setups, but WTF is with you guys not reversing the shackle at the same time? is it just me or is it cool to be borderline out of control on the highway and bend the shit outta springs on the trail? :flipoff2:


I can't speak for anyone else, but mine will never see the highway, :D :flipoff2:

Originally posted by ItsaCJ6
Hey Sceep

I see that your reversal is about 4inchs or more out of dimension from stock... how is your caster corrected for? Are you using degrees shims on the pumpkin pad or did you machine the pad to correct for the increased neg caster?

pads and knuckles have been turned to make it good ;) :D

http://lamar.colostate.edu/~bgwheels/rigs/ryan/shacklemount1.jpg

That is the rear of my front spring, the front is a MORE shackle reversal bracket that has been spaced out properly. My springs are Alcan 2.5 that are lengthened behind the centerpin 6 inches. My shackle is 3 inches from hole to hole.

with the weight on the Jeep, my pinion angle is negative 6
(thats -6 degrees).....

Just telling you this because I spent all that time making that stuff, then my choice is either to drop the front a couple inches
(no fawkin way) or re build the rear to come up from the bottom of the frame (possible)... OR.... I could use this as an excuse to say bye bye to the leafs... Im not down with running 2 shims (chevy front 60 with the bolts on the inside) up front that are at least 1/2 thick on the thick side. Just wanted to add my .02 so someone can thick about this with their design..

Ryan

hows sliding over the rocks with your shackles on the front end of the spring on your rear springs ?

Hey now! I have nothing against Avalanche (liked the old name better)/ Poison Spyder Customs. They make awesome trick ass chit which I would be proud to own. I'll probably pick up some of their high steer arms soon as I can get to a PNP and snag some flattops. Yea yea I know I feel disquested about asking some of these on the boarder newb questions but I ran out of money for doing the 14/60 and 38's combo this year so....:flipoff2: So now I'm just going to gernade my stock junk. Life sucks when your in college.
Edit: And as far as asking about those 33 boggers, I was going to swap my current axles to an MB for a capable almost stock daily driver.

Originally posted by sceep


pads and knuckles have been turned to make it good ;) :D

Thanks Sceep...

Originally posted by INFAMOUSBUTCHER
hows sliding over the rocks with your shackles on the front end of the spring on your rear springs ?

:confused:

shackles fore and aft are both at the rear of the springs.

oh my mistake, i just glanced at the pic you posted that said rear so i thought it was the rear axle

how often is the rear axle out boarded. and whats the distance between spring centers normally if so?

Originally posted by joefear7
how often is the rear axle out boarded. and whats the distance between spring centers normally if so?

I've never seen a rear axle outboarded. Theres no reason to. The front is usually outboarded because of an axle swap that necesitates the outboarding because of the location of the differential.

You can see in this pic, that if the spring had been left @ the stock location it would have been right on top of the diff.

Originally posted by sceep
Theres no reason to.

Ditto, besides, having the spring perches closer together on the rear seems to allow it to flex substantially more. More leverage against the spring I guess?

Sceep - you done with all that steering crap on yer rig? If so pm me and I'll send you an address for shipping;)

I outboarded my rear springs and mounted alomst flush with bottom of frame rail (left enough to get a bolt through). I used 1/4" wall rect tube cut in half welded to the side of the frame and reinforced. I am using durango springs in the rear which flex awesome, so if there is a minimal loss of flex, that is no concern of mine. This is never a concern when outboarding the fronts.... I tried to limit the ammount of rock catchers... the 14 bolt grabs enough of those.

Originally posted by msvance
I outboarded my rear springs and mounted alomst flush with bottom of frame rail (left enough to get a bolt through). I used 1/4" wall rect tube cut in half welded to the side of the frame and reinforced. I am using durango springs in the rear which flex awesome, so if there is a minimal loss of flex, that is no concern of mine. This is never a concern when outboarding the fronts.... I tried to limit the ammount of rock catchers... the 14 bolt grabs enough of those.

this is good thinking plus it makes it more stable on sidehills.

personally i like them under the frame though as it seems stronger, more lift with a flatter spring and i can get away with more spring rate that will resist wrap better. :usa: