ok guys i know this isnt hardcore but no one in newbie land apparently knows what to do. Now if you could please think back to when you had a dana 30 in a yj it would be much appreciated. Ive gotten the outer shaft and the shift collar out and supposedly the inner shaft should just slide out.... but it doesnt. Is there something in the differential holding it in place that i need to remove? Or how else would you guys get it out? Thanks and after you answer feel free to flame me all you want as long as i figure out how to get that shaft out.

yep theres a big e clip looking thing in the carrier that holds the inner in

yep theres a big e clip looking thing in the carrier that holds the inner in

Yep, a C clip. But it isn't needed, once you remove it, don't reinstall it, you won't have the problem the next time.

I have never had to remove a c-clip from a YJ, TJ or XJ D30 to get an axle shaft out.

My guess is that there could be some rust/corrosion where the axle shaft splines enter the carrier, or there's some binding going on for whatever reason.

I have removed stubborn/broken D30 shafts by using the following method:

Remove the opposite side inner & outer shafts (in your case, the drivers side)

Duct tape together a few 3/8" or 1/4" socket extensions (a really long screwdriver could work too)

Insert the taped extensions into the axle tube opposite the stuck side, guideing the extension past the carrier crosspin

Be carefull not to damage the seals

Tap on the extensions with a mallet/hammer to dislodge the stuck shaft

****WARNING****

DO NOT have somebody at the opposite end looking into the axle tube to verify when it gets dislodged!!!! Doing so very well could send them on a trip to the hospital when the axle shaft comes flying out.

****WARNING****

DO NOT have somebody at the opposite end looking into the axle tube to verify when it gets dislodged!!!! Doing so very well could send them on a trip to the hospital when the axle shaft comes flying out.

Do I know you? :laughing:

Duct tape together a few 3/8" or 1/4" socket extensions (a really long screwdriver could work too)

Or a broom handle.

If you can slide it back and forth a little (1/32 - 1/16" or more) and it seems to stop dead, then you have the e-clip that some say never existed.

Do people really think that you are going to get broom handle or an extension through the side gear, past the differential pin and be able to knock out a shaft? There is not enough room. If there is something other than an e-clip holding it in, I would suspect a bent housing. This shaft still turns very freely right? Pull the cover.

You should be able to get a screwdriver/prybar behind the engagement teeth on the end of the shaft to pry it out if the e-clip is not what is retaining it.

Good luck.

got the diff cover off and im looking inside... do i need to pull the carrier out? cuz if i do i think im sort of screwed. Dont think i have the mechanical expertise to deal with that. Anyway i see a thin metal ring that might be the clip you guys are talking about... I dont see the ends though... so do i put the jeep in neutral and try to spin the tires so its facing me or what?

there is no way to pull the carrier out without the shafts out so, no, you do not need to, where is the thing you see? if you cant see the end of the shaft, you wouldnt see a c clip, which i highly doubt it has, find the end of the shaft, and tap it out.

a c clip basically is thin as a washer, but c shaped. and is fitted on the very very end of the shaft.

I hate to ruin a good joke, but unless you're all idiots, you know that a front axle is always a full floating axle and will never have a c clip. Please tell me I just ruined something perfectly funny and you aren't all really idiots... :shaking:

If you're talking about the inner shaft on the vacuum disco side, pop the cover open and push on the end of the axle shaft from where it goes into the spider gear. Make sure you've pulled the entire vacuum disco assembly out, including the selector collar. If the shaft has slid backwards into the dif, there is a seal that it may have to come up past, I can't remember where it is for the life of me though... If you need more leverage pull out the cross pin in the gear carrier, pull out the drivers side axle shaft, and and push through with a broom handle.

honestly i dont even see the end of the shaft. its got an arb locker not sure if that changes anything. and no the shaft doesnt spin freely in fact it fights you.

Alright well in that case, PM ScottFJ40 or sceep, they can more than likely help you because the ARB is gonna throw it off a bit. They know their stuff.

I have a shaft in the corner of my garage - looking at it their is not or never was any kind of "clip" holding it in - it just floats. You mentioned the shaft does not rotate freely - try putting the shift collar back in and sliding in the outer shaft and turning the axle, to try to see what is binding ( you may be turning the locker/gear assembly as a unit). I just put seals in my front axle last year, I have OX locker in front, the inner shaft just slid right out. It may be your axle tube is tweaked just a bit.

Ok.......look. A STOCK vac-disco has this E clip everyone has mentioned. My XJ had it and it was an 88. Jeep did that in the vac-disco frt end up until 93 in XJ's and till 95? i think in YJ's. If it has a ARB then i doubt the clip will be there and as far as extensions and broom handles go.....i doubt the ARB will let you slide through, but ive never looked at one to know for sure. Just dont be so goofy and tear your shit apart and id dont take much to remove a differential......just a bit of carefull ness. If all else fails look for an exploded diagram.

Ok.......look. A STOCK vac-disco has this E clip everyone has mentioned. My XJ had it and it was an 88. Jeep did that in the vac-disco frt end up until 93 in XJ's and till 95? i think in YJ's. If it has a ARB then i doubt the clip will be there and as far as extensions and broom handles go.....i doubt the ARB will let you slide through, but ive never looked at one to know for sure. Just dont be so goofy and tear your shit apart and id dont take much to remove a differential......just a bit of carefull ness. If all else fails look for an exploded diagram.

My stock 94YJ disco didn't have this clip...

back when i was running a d30 i must have had one of the super rare ones with the e clip......

http://www.quadratec.com/advisor/jeep_oem_replacement_parts/axle/axleYJ30F.php

Show me any "clip" holding in the inner axle :flipoff2:

Show me any "clip" holding in the inner axle

i have one in my hand.... want me to mail it to you?

:shaking: proofs in the picture, oh well. :shaking:

:shaking: proofs in the picture, oh well. :shaking:

You're putting all your faith in some stupid quadratec exploded diagram?? Manuals are wrong all the time.

I have two inner shafts in my Jeep (one in axle, one spare), both with grooves for a c clip, and I have one c clip laying around. I'd take a pic, but it is not worth the effort to dig out the spare just to prove a point to your thick skull. There are disco 30's with c clips.

whatever turns your crank :flipoff2: - all I know is that I have been completly through my axle several times, along with working on several others - never have seen a "clip" in any of them.

Ok.......look. A STOCK vac-disco has this E clip everyone has mentioned. My XJ had it and it was an 88. Jeep did that in the vac-disco frt end up until 93 in XJ's and till 95? i think in YJ's. If it has a ARB then i doubt the clip will be there and as far as extensions and broom handles go.....i doubt the ARB will let you slide through, but ive never looked at one to know for sure. Just dont be so goofy and tear your shit apart and id dont take much to remove a differential......just a bit of carefull ness. If all else fails look for an exploded diagram.

ummm now .. i have pulled shafts out of a 91 YJ with CAD and it does not have this.

It should have had that clip unles someone has yanked it previous to you owning it. It keeps the inner shaft from moving as the disco engages and disengages. But i do believe that this is a wee bit far from being hardcore tech anyways.:flipoff2:

Vacuum Motor Kit, Disconnect axle (Inclu. 15A) 84-90 ALL 52432 00
Vacuum Motor Kit, Disconnect axle (Inclu. 15A) 91-92 ALL 52432 01

Notice the different part numbers and switch in the vac switch after 90. But i know for a fact my 88 had one. I twisted the splines and my vac switch took a shit so i yanked the long side out of a 90 XJ with the Wagonneer package and went and got both smaller seals from chrysler and theres a bearing in there i had to yank out and i also notice they quit using the bearing in 89. So why dont y'all quit being ass hats.:flipoff2: :shaking:

As said above, it probably has a bent housing. It doesn't take much of a smile to make the shaft bind in there. Does the shaft spin freely? If it does it has the c clip they are talking about. My old housing in my 88 had that clip. My suggestion is to pull the 30 and toss it in a big hole and burry it:flipoff2:

This E-clip was used by the factory to keep the inner axle shaft from falling out while the axle was being assembled.

No, it isn't a C-clip axle.

I have seen some of these E=clips.

If the diff has ever been apart, odds are that person threw it out as it is not needed. That is why you don't see them in schematics/blow ups of the axles. It is not a necessary part for the axle to run.

My 87 YJ had the E clip. I tossed it. I guess I should have kept it. I honestly could not come up with a reason to keep it till now:shaking: My sons 89 YJ did not have one.

X2 on what 88flexj said. Twisted my splines on inner shaft just backing up with 33's and also blew out the spiders......but i dont think that fact of me tryin to pull a tj on 38's burried to the rockers out of a slurry pond helped at all........just a thought:rolleyes:

my 89 yj had the e-clip but my dads 95 didnt. i took it out because the shaft i was putting in did not have a spot for it.

Top shaft is from an 89 YJ, bottom is from a 94 YJ. Notice the place for the useless e-clip on the older shaft.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q128/bgdana/misc/JeepspeedBuild046.jpg

So what the hell is the big deal? All he needs to do is pull his dif cover off and see if thats it. Jesus christ people, why the hell didn't we just tell him to do this to start with? :shaking: If it has an ARB in it, chances are the "e-clip" didn't get reinstalled. Is it so hard to just tear something apart as simple as a dif and try and figure this out? Fuck...

I hate to ruin a good joke, but unless you're all idiots, you know that a front axle is always a full floating axle and will never have a c clip. Please tell me I just ruined something perfectly funny and you aren't all really idiots... :shaking:

If you're talking about the inner shaft on the vacuum disco side, pop the cover open and push on the end of the axle shaft from where it goes into the spider gear. Make sure you've pulled the entire vacuum disco assembly out, including the selector collar. If the shaft has slid backwards into the dif, there is a seal that it may have to come up past, I can't remember where it is for the life of me though... If you need more leverage pull out the cross pin in the gear carrier, pull out the drivers side axle shaft, and and push through with a broom handle.



wow you get bitchy when you prove that you are a idot and not everyone else....:shaking:

:D

Wow, that one was a real stumper.


:laughing:

(sometime after Chrysler bought AMC, the E clip was dropped)

This must be hardcore--it two pages of babble to sort it out:shaking:
There's no way to put an "e", "c", or "d" clip, for that matter, in an ARB. And, as I recall, there's no way to get pass the center cross shaft to knock out the passenger side shaft. Some how, he needs to get something arround the splines on the end of the shaft, snake it out of the end of the housing, and use a slide hammer on it. If all else fails, he may be able to disassemble the carrier while it's still in the housing, allowing access to the inner end of the shaft?? not sure what holds the main cross shaft in, but looking at a picture of my D44 ARB (RD116), it looks like a retainer bolt is accessible while the unit is installed. If so, may be it's possible to remove the cross shaft. This wouls allow access with a long shaft from the driver's side.