Im in need of being able to drop the mog down to about its brake drum for shipping, etc.

Thinking of using either some cheap junkyard rims OR junkyard spare donut tire. Wont "drive" on them just roll. Idea is to get rim or donut that can fit around (or outside!) of the brake drum. I would weld in a plate to cover the existing bolt holes then drill new ones to Mog spec. and hack out the center with a torch to fit around the hub.

Another way to do it, but won't be usable in some situations, is to get a rim, make it mountable like above, but then cut the rim flat on one side so the mog sits on this flat spot just above the brake drum. Would have to put mog in shipping postion then remove tires and bolts these in place. One situation this won't work is shipping overseas in a cargo container cause then you can't roll it into the container. Would work fine for hauling it on my new flatbed truck. (IH 4900 w/20ft flatbed and dt466)

Open to your suggestions, such as what to vehicle to get rims or donut tires off of etc.

Coach I was just going to get some junk 20" tires from one of the local tire stores. I would think you can mount any 20 on a mog rim as long as it is wide enough. I ended up getting some Unimog to chevy 8 bolt adapters and am using H2 rims with crappy tires as rollers.

Land Rover, during the fifties export boom, used to use wooden wheels for moving them around in ports.

How about large diameter pipe, large enough to fit over the drum, with flat plate welded in one end, drilled to mog pattern. That way it can still be rolled around, but be as close as possible to the ground.
Effectively making your own antique farm tractor style steel rims. You could even bond solid rubber to them, or fasten on big steel lugs for bogging duties!

swag

Wooden....How about ... pipe,.. Youze guy'z are killin me heya!! cumen up with theze crazy ideaz. buht tya know.... diz might even wurk.. now where dooz ya find big pipe lite dis??

I already have 20" low profile junk tires. They will help a little but only by about 3"

I have had these for a while and planned on making bead locks out of them but who knows if I will ever get around to that. They are 18" 421 wheels and they might work for what you are thinking. I was thinking of listing them soon. If everyone thinks they are junk, you could get them cheap. O.D. is 20" and if you turned down the lip they would be 18" and have some good flat area to run on. Just a thought?
Tyson

... They are 18" 421 wheels ...Tyson Now whar in the hell iz I suppose to get Mog 421 wheels? :grinpimp: There's only 3 mogs in all of FL and none of them are 421's. :confused: I had to pay nearly 200 buks just to get one more Mog 404 rim and I still need two more (trailer tires and spare):barf:

if it's just for transport then just get some discs laser cut at your local engineering firm. They'll be plenty strong enough.

This method is used quite frequently to get high vehicles into shipping containers- a friend of mine did this when shipping a comp. vehicle from the UK to Australia.

I had to prepare a 3 1/2 ton LandRover 101 Ambulance to fit inside a shipping container for transport from OZ to Sth America a little while back. The 101
16'' wheels incidently have the same bolt pattern as 404 Mogs but are very scarce in OZ, so rather than take the tyres off the rims, with the possibility of damaging them when driving up into the container, I got 4 much more common LandRover 5 stud rims, and using the 101 brake drum as a drill jig drilled the six stud pattern into them and torched the centre out with a gas axe. A couple of holes ovelapped with the old 5 stud pattern but it didn't matter for the intended purpose and I was even able to drive the truck on these bare rims for around 100 yards around the shipping docks without flattening the bead flanges.
Bill.

I'd also thought about the mog 18" rims, but thought they might be a bit hard to find.
Don't need large diameter pipe I s'pose. Just the flat discs as mentioned before, but wrap their circumference with a 2" wide flat strap of .250

Those 18"s Tyson. Are they 9" wide? Dunno why I'm asking......I could do with a set of smaller rims and tyres for tractor pulling. 40-odd hp and 12.50R20's just don't cut it!

swag

The rims are 18 x 5.5 , Coach, go to the local frame dragging shop and pick up some 18" low profile rubber and who knows? Maybe you will start a trend:grinpimp:

The rims ... go to the local frame dragging shop and pick up some 18" low profile rubber and who knows? Maybe you will start a trend:grinpimp:There you go.. then I can take a picture riding on them and get a better chance of getting my rig into

PIMP MY RIDE!:grinpimp: :smokin: :grinpimp:

18" rubber wont help w/out 18" rims though.

Take the tires off and lower it down into a set of these.
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_860918_860918
Then wheel it where it needs to go. Or you could build a dolly under the rig to roll it around.

Coach, as I understand the situation, you just want to make this rather high vehicle more transportable on your new flatbed.

So why not drive it up on the bed, take the wheels off and lower it down onto jackstands or equivalent at the axles and chain it down to the bed? Its not going anywhere. And, when you get to your destination, put the wheels back on and find a truck dock with a ramp or pay some rollback guy to get it off.

If memory serves correct, a guy I know in VA used dually rims on his 406 to get it into his garage. Just flip them so that the offset pushes the tire away from the drum, and drill yourself a new bolt pattern. I don't remember if he used 16" or 19.5" rims. Either can be had with a relatively low profile tire.

If memory serves correct, a guy I know in VA used dually rims on his 406 to get it into his garage. Just flip them so that the offset pushes the tire away from the drum, ....Now thats a great idea!

NCmog I thought about those. Was concerned about weight on the drums and about the wheels not being big enough to go over objects like say the first lip of a shiping cargo container. Just hate to buy something then have to buy something else again later.

What's the outer diameter of the brake back plates?..... 16"?
My dually's tires are 30" tall, so that'd still leave about 6" of clearance under the brakes.
Disadvantage.....How wide's a 404 axle? With dually rims, would it be too wide to fit in a container?

swag

All this talk about it has got me thinking I might look at making some steel rims for this years tractor pulling attempts.....
Plus I'd be able to use them to get the 'mog in my garage. Currently I fold the roof (of the 'mog) and crunch myself down in the seat. Although backing out once I nearly forgot.......!

swag

...My dually's tires are 30" tall, so that'd still leave about 6" of clearance under the brakes. Disadvantage.....How wide's a 404 axle? With dually rims, would it be too wide to fit in a container?swag hmm. good question on the width. Anyone got a guess how much width this would add?

what size are your dually rims 16.5?. If I go with rims I will probably NOT use a tire at all. If I do it would be a low profile tire. Eventually though Im sue I would do something like weld in some pieces across the inside of the rim and then screw a tire tread carcus onto it just to protect the surface Im rolling it on.

Mines a Chev'. 16" rims. They're 10" overall width, the rim itself is 16x6.

So I guess it'd add 20" to your 404's WMS width. 69" isn't it?
So 7'5".
ISO containers are 7'8" internal...........1.5" either side...loads of room to play with!


swag

.. Although backing out once I nearly forgot.......!swagooh... cranium carnage is typical not a good thing. Those craniums are hard not telling what it would do to the top of your garage door.

Mines particularly hard. Last year one of the guys at work kinda accidentally drilled a 3/8" hole in the top of my head during a practical joke. I still managed to stand and throw fit with an IR air drill sticking out of my hard hat.

swag