PICKED UP A HIGH PINION 9" WITH 70 OUTERS FOR $1400 BRAND NEW WITH AVALANCE HIGH STEER SYSTEM FOR $200. MY DD JEEP IS ABOUT TO GET HUGE!:jeep: :laughing:

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But you're a Toy boy:flipoff2:
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Originally posted by BLUE TOY
PICKED UP A HIGH PINION 9" WITH 70 OUTERS FOR $1400 BRAND NEW WITH AVALANCE HIGH STEER SYSTEM FOR $200. MY DD JEEP IS ABOUT TO GET HUGE!:jeep: :laughing:

You paid how much for that garbage?? I'd think you'd be crying instead of laughing!! Throw those large tires on there, do some hardcore stuff, and see what happens. I'm glad I spent my money on the D60.

Agreed...ask how many people blow up the R&P on that high pinion setup.

Hmmmmm.......

Last week I was out at Vernal Utah for the RCAA event.

Unless it was my imagination I think I saw more then a few Currie 9" running 37 inch tires or larger. Didn't see any of them break either.

Come to think of it, I think I saw Tri County Gear competing in the same event running a D-44 rear and a D30 Front!

Nope, they didn't break anything either.

But thats just my observations of factual reality as it occurred during the competition. Nothing more, nothing less.

Care for pictures?

Frank

I have to agree with Frank. It's more about the driver then it is the parts. Yes 60s are nice but they break to with idiots behind the wheel. Anytime the gas pedal is the answer is when you see breakage no matter what your running. I seen a guy with 38s still running his Dana 35c ansd make it over hard crap without breaking that I seen idiots with 60s break. Just my .02 :D

MIKE

Originally posted by Daless2
Hmmmmm.......

Last week I was out at Vernal Utah for the RCAA event.

Unless it was my imagination I think I saw more then a few Currie 9" running 37 inch tires or larger. Didn't see any of them break either.

Come to think of it, I think I saw Tri County Gear competing in the same event running a D-44 rear and a D30 Front!

Nope, they didn't break anything either.

But thats just my observations of factual reality as it occurred during the competition. Nothing more, nothing less.

Care for pictures?

Frank

I want to see a picture of the axle that Currie uses in the back of their "fireant" tj. I think it's funny that they hype the 9 so much and run a 60 in their competition vehicle.

I think you are missing the point. Spending that much dough on a HP? Your putting a bandaid on a broken arm.

Originally posted by chico


I want to see a picture of the axle that Currie uses in the back of their "fireant" tj. I think it's funny that they hype the 9 so much and run a 60 in their competition vehicle.



ya know, im slightly pissed with currie's customer service but.... if you call them and tell em your running bigger than 36 inch tall tire, they advise you to go 60 in the rear! now there hp nine with 60 knuckles for the front i believe would take some abuse...

Here is a shot of the Tri County Gear D-44 using the Detroit Electric.

http://www.dana60.com/daless2/d40.jpg

I believe I have a shot of the front too. It was a D-30.

The rig had an Atlas 4.3 and a Klune-V. Tires were 37" if my memory serves me correctly.

Rig made it through the entire competition without breaking.

But what do I know. Maybe they where really D-60's in hiding!!

Frank

PS: Would you like to see any more pictures?

I have a few pictures of John Currie's Fire Ant. Here is the best one.

http://www.dana60.com/daless2/b26b.JPG



And here is my favorite of Ted LaBaron's ride. (D-60's)

http://www.dana60.com/daless2/FImg26_600.jpg


Hope you enjoy. These are the last pictures for tonight.

Good night.

Frank

Originally posted by Daless2
Here is a shot of the Tri County Gear D-44 using the Detroit Electric.

http://www.dana60.com/daless2/d40.jpg

I believe I have a shot of the front too. It was a D-30.

The rig had an Atlas 4.3 and a Klune-V. Tires were 37" if my memory serves me correctly.

Rig made it through the entire competition without breaking.

But what do I know. Maybe they where really D-60's in hiding!!

Frank

PS: Would you like to see any more pictures?


Yeah, and look at the spare shafts tied to the axle. Never seen that before. What did he run out of room for them in the cab?

Let's see.......... how heavy are these rigs that've been talked about?? Granted, I run 37's on stock TJ 30 and 44 with aluminum rims, but I'm always wondering when something is gonna go :nuke: ! The original poster said he's gonna go huge. I would consider huge 40" or larger. For that, I'd run 1-ton axles - no less. I'm going to be running 38.5 SX's and stepping up to a 60 and 14-bolt.

Remember that Tri County's rig only has a 4 banger in it. Yeah yeah yeah driver talent and style make huge differences, as do tire size yada yada yada yet many are able to make smaller axles work with smaller engines and lighter vehicles. My only point is that ssing Bunch's vehicle as a yard stick isn't exactly comparing apples to apples, if you're comparing it against V8 rigs.

Originally posted by SCRAMBLR
I seen a guy with 38s still running his Dana 35c ansd make it over hard crap without breaking that I seen idiots with 60s break. Just my .02 :D

MIKE

uhhhhh, 38's -----> 35c = :nuke:

Hi folks, I believe all your points are valid, and one should not compare apples with any other type of fruit.

The TCG rig does indeed have a 4 banger in it, and some very small axles (according to the constant singing and drum beat of "D-60, D-60, D60").

Yet it gets up the rock faces just fine without breaking and by any reasonable persons analysis, is very competitive.

While I do not know these folks at all, other then having watched them competed against the Big V-8's with D-60's, I suspect they did their physics homework!

While there are many factors involved here, the one's we are talking about are torque to weight ratios vs. the vertical forces of gravity.

What is lacking coming out of the 4 banger I assume is being made up for with the Atlas and Klune-V gearing combination, without the need for overkill that would break "Lighter Axles".

This just seems to me to be a great example of Success done the "Bright Way" as apposed to the blind application of mass and power force.

Don't you think?

You've got to admit, it works for them and it is hard to argue with success!

As for the spare axles, while I don't know, I would suspect the vast majority of the teams competing at RCAA events have spare D-60 axles with them too. I know the team I went out to offer my moral support to in Vernal had spare 35 spline D-60 axles on the trailer.

I would imagine, but don't know, that the TCG spare axles were carried as they were so as to enable an on-obstacle repair if it ever was needed.


Frank

Big motors and the drivetrain necessary to run them are just more fun IMO. Don't disagree that they do well with their setup, but I don't plan on swapping in a 4 banger any time soon....

Oh yeah. well I just put together some high clearence 2.5 ton rockwells w/ unimog outer gear reduction ends w/ custom 4 piston pinion brakes and custom Air lockers. Front and Rear steer. :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:







Just kidding.....






I really have a Dana 30 front end w/ 3.08 gears and a Dana 35 c-clip w/ worn out 3.08 gears.:barf:

Originally posted by BLUE TOY
PICKED UP A HIGH PINION 9" WITH 70 OUTERS FOR $1400 BRAND NEW WITH AVALANCE HIGH STEER SYSTEM FOR $200. MY DD JEEP IS ABOUT TO GET HUGE!:jeep: :laughing:

R&P breakage can be very expensive, and as BAJG said Currie doesn't recommend more than 36" diam. on those axle assemblies. So what is your definition of huge?:rolleyes:

Also what do you plan for the rear, what locker is in the front, and what R&P ratio is in that front also?

Originally posted by Daless2
Hi folks, I believe all your points are valid, and one should not compare apples with any other type of fruit.

The TCG rig does indeed have a 4 banger in it, and some very small axles (according to the constant singing and drum beat of "D-60, D-60, D60").

Yet it gets up the rock faces just fine without breaking and by any reasonable persons analysis, is very competitive.

While I do not know these folks at all, other then having watched them competed against the Big V-8's with D-60's, I suspect they did their physics homework!

While there are many factors involved here, the one's we are talking about are torque to weight ratios vs. the vertical forces of gravity.

What is lacking coming out of the 4 banger I assume is being made up for with the Atlas and Klune-V gearing combination, without the need for overkill that would break "Lighter Axles".

This just seems to me to be a great example of Success done the "Bright Way" as apposed to the blind application of mass and power force.

Don't you think?

You've got to admit, it works for them and it is hard to argue with success!

As for the spare axles, while I don't know, I would suspect the vast majority of the teams competing at RCAA events have spare D-60 axles with them too. I know the team I went out to offer my moral support to in Vernal had spare 35 spline D-60 axles on the trailer.

I would imagine, but don't know, that the TCG spare axles were carried as they were so as to enable an on-obstacle repair if it ever was needed.


Frank

Ive talked to Jason Bunch at the competitions i judge for.. Hes a great guy.. probably spent a good 30 minutes talking to him after the last one.. and watching chris durham grenade his 60 front when he got air born. Jason does break.. Everyone does.. He broke the front 30 on the course before mine.. But the reason why it holds up.. its its been trussed, running alloy shafts, ctms, and the hub conversion.... The rear 44 i believe is running alloy shafts also, with the new electric locker.

Plus another reason his rig holds up.. ITS LIGHT.. if you really get a chance to look at it.. I think whats left of the tub is the only body that has weight.. the fender/hood is fiberglass.. and the rear has basically been cut off.. and then tube work done to it.. Im impressed by that rig.. he does everything everyone says dont do.. He runs a 2.5 l 4cyl, when everyone is saying go 6 or 8cyl.. He runs a 30 and 44.. when everyone is saying 60's and you know what.. it works for him... Why change something if it works..

I constantly see jason in the top 10 of the competitions.. Plus.. how much more clearance can you get on a front end with a shaved 30? the only way to get more clearance is running portals..

James

a nine inch can be built to kill any dana 60 or even rockwell put some 2 5/8 inch chrisman shafts in a nine inch and it will kill any avalznch titan or dana 60 thers a reason they are used behind every vehicle used for hard core use if a 9 inch can hold up to 2500 hp in a sand drag car turnin 48 inch tires im sure it can hold up to 44s and your 350 horse 350 and why is everyone runnin 14 bolts with only 38s ,do you ever plan on getin out of the rocks because as much as you will be draggin i dought you will be able to get out a 30 spline full floatin dana 60 or a 35 spline 9 inch can hold up to 39 inch tsls with ease but im sure thers a reason everyone is using them i just must not know it

Originally posted by rokdog03
a nine inch can be built to kill any dana 60 or even rockwell put some 2 5/8 inch chrisman shafts in a nine inch and it will kill any avalznch titan or dana 60 thers a reason they are used behind every vehicle used for hard core use if a 9 inch can hold up to 2500 hp in a sand drag car turnin 48 inch tires im sure it can hold up to 44s and your 350 horse 350 and why is everyone runnin 14 bolts with only 38s ,do you ever plan on getin out of the rocks because as much as you will be draggin i dought you will be able to get out a 30 spline full floatin dana 60 or a 35 spline 9 inch can hold up to 39 inch tsls with ease but im sure thers a reason everyone is using them i just must not know it

What you dont know is that the hi pinion 9 uses a smaller ring gear then the standard and is the weak link. I would run a standard pinion 9" with 35 spline axles over a 60 anyday. Why you ask, I got the opratunity to see 2 pinions side by side the other day, one was a 9" and one was a D60 and both were 5.88 gears. The teeth on the sixty were smaller, granted you get a bigger ring gear with the 60 but you also get probably over 100 pounds of axle shaft snaping dead weight. I would say its pretty close to a toss up for me. Add in the extra clearance of the 9" and I am sold.:flipoff2:

Flame on

Originally posted by Outlaw99TJ


You paid how much for that garbage?? I'd think you'd be crying instead of laughing!! Throw those large tires on there, do some hardcore stuff, and see what happens. I'm glad I spent my money on the D60.

I would think that his setup would be pretty damn close in strength to a 60. I agree that a high pinion nine is not as strong as a 60 rr, but that isn't what the man bought.

Daless I agree that this whole 60 60 60 thing isn't for everybody, but if I had a 4000 pund rig, I think I would be yelling 60 60 60 too. Add a big vehicle a V-8 and 38+ inch tires and watch 44's 9's 30's 35's (don't think I didn't forget that post :flipoff2: )

Personally my 44's have held up well. To each his own :beer:

http://www.dana60.com/daless2/d40.jpg

Anyone else think the short shaft appears to be broken:eek: :eek: Where are the splines?? And why is the end all rough??

Also - note how it appears to reduce in diameter - that is an absolute no-no from an "engineering / physics" standpoint. I aint sayin' it doesn;t work for them - perhaps it does...but I'm suprised that someone so keen on "text book" knowledge didn't notice this or know the rules.

The splines MUSt be placed on a diameter that is greater than the operating diameter of the part. Spline roots must never be allowed to blend into the operating diameter.

At least that's the "physics" answer according to Carroll Smith, Sandy Cone, Mark Williams, Strange, etc.

:flipoff2:

Doesn't that shaft look bent to anyone else?

Back to the original subject, better hope that HP was setup by Currie and not Randy's, at least Currie has their gear double lapped to set up better, and even then, 4.56 or lower sets up with the adjuster being threaded way out on one side. Just not a very good design, lame reverse 8.8 parts, and a cheezy deflector for oiling? I'd rather see a regular 9" housing flipped over, with custom gears, and a pinion drive pump to keep the pinion bearings under pressurized oil.

I spent hours on the phone with Currie and Randy's trying to fix a buddies tore up spendy junk with a new set of cheap ass Randy's US Gear Torq-Line ring pinion. Currie was at least somewhat helpful, once I got anyone named Currie on the line, but Randy's claimed that they put the same shim thickness in every 4.56 pinion and set the backlash to the same thing on every one and they run just fine. WTF is that! Currie at least took the time to ask some if his installers and check some of the units on the shelf, some of theirs were like that too. I checked the runout on the carrier and the ring gear, the ARB was true, the ring was way out, but Randy's said it was in spec and nobody in the world uses lapped gearsets, Currie claims they pay extra to have theirs double lapped. Someones slingin' shit here. By the way, my buddies HP 9" rear is on its 3rd set of bearings, 2nd ring and pinion, and his front has blow so much shit it isn't even funny. He hit a deer at 50mph and the knuckle came right off the housing! A wild ride in a TJ with 37" Boggers on it! I keep telling him to go 60's, maybe he'll listen soon.

By the way, I like the spare shafts mounted on the axle, moves some weight from sprung to unsprung, not much, but it's still a cool spot for spares. Wouldn't fly in my neck of the woods, the spares would get lost in the mud.

Did he say its a HP 9" with 70 outers?? Wouldn't that make it a front axle with ton u-joints? It has an 8.8" ring gear and is reverse cut in the front. I would rather have that then a HP44 which most people run. No its not a D60 but it has mad clearance and is lighter. If people have no problem running 44s on a HP 60 in the front, running 38s on this axle should be no sweat.

Good luck.. I hope you enjoy your axle for the 6 months or so that it works right before it starts to fall apart. I take it you've never seen how they assemble thier junk huh? Used parts and all.

Na Na Na Currie built your Jeep.:rainbow: Your an idiot to brag about this its like bragging about getting laid at a whorehouse. No big thing dude the Jeep may be getting huge:rolleyes: but your getting small and your axle will:nuke: just because you bragged. Back to bigdudes :question: what's in your axle? Locked? R&P?

Sorry for the newb question, but wouldn't a reverse 8.8 be stronger on the front than a standard 9, since the stnadard 9 would be running its gears on the coast side (when used up front)?

Is the 9" that much stronger than the 8.8? or are there major design diferences that make the 8.8 weak?

Originally posted by BillaVista
http://www.dana60.com/daless2/d40.jpg

Anyone else think the short shaft appears to be broken:eek: :eek: Where are the splines?? And why is the end all rough??

Also - note how it appears to reduce in diameter - that is an absolute no-no from an "engineering / physics" standpoint. I aint sayin' it doesn;t work for them - perhaps it does...but I'm suprised that someone so keen on "text book" knowledge didn't notice this or know the rules.

The splines MUSt be placed on a diameter that is greater than the operating diameter of the part. Spline roots must never be allowed to blend into the operating diameter.

At least that's the "physics" answer according to Carroll Smith, Sandy Cone, Mark Williams, Strange, etc.

:flipoff2:

saw this thing at calrocs in moonrocks and the splines are taped off to keep crap off them, thats why it looks "rough" on the end

Originally posted by MOVEASIDE
Na Na Na Currie built your Jeep.:rainbow: Your an idiot to brag about this its like bragging about getting laid at a whorehouse. No big thing dude the Jeep may be getting huge:rolleyes: but your getting small and your axle will:nuke: just because you bragged. Back to bigdudes :question: what's in your axle? Locked? R&P?

Moveaside read his sig he has a toy not a Jeep. Please dont insult us Jeepers with this kids mentality. 33 mtrs now he is going to 35s because its HUGE :laughing: :flipoff2:

saw this thing at calrocs in moonrocks and the splines are taped off to keep crap off them, thats why it looks "rough" on the end

That makes sense.

But tell me, do they not look tapered down - the top one just to the left of the bracket, and the lower one just by the Warn sticker?

billa- it is tapered down. these are essentially dana 44 axles splined to fit a dana 30. Maybe "engineered" wrong but the cool alloy makes up for it.

They are prolly 30 spline blanks cut down to monsterous 27 spliners

Originally posted by XtremeJeep


Moveaside read his sig he has a toy not a Jeep. Please dont insult us Jeepers with this kids mentality. 33 mtrs now he is going to 35s because its HUGE :laughing: :flipoff2:

Read the first post? He mentions "DD JEEP" quite clearly yet you may have lost it 'cause it is all CAPS.


You gonna wheel this DD, Blue Toy?

I would have went to a junkyard and bought a 60. Save some $$$. But I would not have bothered on my DD.

Originally posted by BillaVista
http://www.dana60.com/daless2/d40.jpg

Anyone else think the short shaft appears to be broken:eek: :eek: Where are the splines?? And why is the end all rough??

Also - note how it appears to reduce in diameter - that is an absolute no-no from an "engineering / physics" standpoint. I aint sayin' it doesn;t work for them - perhaps it does...but I'm suprised that someone so keen on "text book" knowledge didn't notice this or know the rules.

The splines MUSt be placed on a diameter that is greater than the operating diameter of the part. Spline roots must never be allowed to blend into the operating diameter.

At least that's the "physics" answer according to Carroll Smith, Sandy Cone, Mark Williams, Strange, etc.

:flipoff2:

could be but i would guess eletrical tape on the splines ... notise the painted end why paint broken parts.

billa- it is tapered down. these are essentially dana 44 axles splined to fit a dana 30.

That's exactly what I figured, because I di the exact same thing.
Initially, I was trying to point out that just because it's wrong "by the book" doesn;t mean it doesn;t work in the real world - it seems to work for these guys:

HOWEVER -

Maybe "engineered" wrong but the cool alloy makes up for it.

In my experience it sure didn't



http://www.rightcoastcrawler.com/billaVista/BrokenShaft/Dcp_4681.jpg


http://www.rightcoastcrawler.com/billaVista/BrokenShaft/Dcp_4675.jpg

Here's where it happened - when it snapped it took out the *monsterous* D30 Detroit too!!


http://www.rightcoastcrawler.com/billaVista/BrokenShaft/Dcp_4652.jpg

You'd get a little farther if you put your tire on the rock, and not your diff :flipoff2: :D

You'd get a little farther if you put your tire on the rock, and not your diff

Bwa ha ha ha ! Good one! Very funny...now hand over the briefcase pal :flipoff2: :D

I'd have done better - but my spotter got the "one bark for right, 2 for left" backwards!!

http://www.rightcoastcrawler.com/billaVista/BrokenShaft/Dcp_4644.jpg

So, Billa, Are you saying that was a super coolio warn hi strength axleshaft you broke there? Maybe the cool alloy doesn't make up for it. But it IS a dana 30.

I'd say a bad line took out your axleshaft. That thing looks like a softserve cone. Next time don't trust the dog use a buddy. Is the dog a big drinker? Hey wasn't this thread about a Currie 9" what happened?