the sluice was a little wet making lines slippery and a little tougher....this was the second run for the buggy and still had to test the buggy and get usedto it....I went through the box 11 times trying every line the 35 bfgs would grip to (couldn't get MTRs in time), then spotted my 13yr old sister through 3 times

:D

:D

I drove it pretty hard, bounced it, 4 wheel tire spins trying to get grip....rolled it a few times :rolleyes: and still haven't broken anything

13 yr old little sister :crybaby: first time in the buggy

:crybaby:

cool pics man ... did you ever get a chance to see how much it weighed ?

- jack

i just got back from there last night. saw you dump it on the side.
i thought your lil sis did a better job than you... J.K.. your rig makes it look too easy. it was a lotta fun out there except for all the broken rigs and the two full sizes with open diffs holding up
the trail.

heres another

Originally posted by JP4WHLR95
i just got back from there last night. saw you dump it on the side.
i thought your lil sis did a better job than you... J.K.. your rig makes it look too easy. it was a lotta fun out there except for all the broken rigs and the two full sizes with open diffs holding up
the trail.
yea those guys were coming in when I was leaving at the gatekeeper..it was funny I overheard some girls that were with them gasping about how " and this is only the beginning" :eek: .....then after they powered through there for every inch (the speedo must have read 55mph) I crawled through twisting it up to show them some real hampster power :D .....if I had another seat I would have taken the women with me :D

and out of that 11 tries I did have to work pretty hard for three of those runs at the beggining of the box but was never denied...those holes got deep and those little 35's were making it a good challenge....so if you saw any of the other eight runs the buggy walked it...I tried everyline I could think of....my sister even took a line that I saw no one hit.....

here's one of the flops

not weighed yet.....but making it lighter, ripped the fender after rolling off the crack line them 10 foot further rolled it driving up the wall to get in position and ripped off the plexiglass on the side :flipoff2: it will be weighed soon

if you guys really want it weighed PM Snowball telling him to get the key for the scalehouse behind the shop...that would get him off his arrsss :D

even though you run the super birfs, have you considered using two toy rears and having hydro (in the centre, on a pivot) and turning the rig from the centre like end loaders and so forth? to get rid of teh front birfs altogether? :rasta: :smokin:

is this too hard
too much work
or not feasible for some other reason?
(just a question of curiosity) cause it looks thin enough to try it on :eek:

never thought of that and I have no idea where to start got pics?....it's only been finished for two weeks and am just working out the bugs....rear steer will follow...

Great pics! Was the carb still working well?
That's awesome letting your siter drive-bet she digged that.
weldpro

Looks like you had a blast. Wish I'd planned on going there this weekend. Guess I could load the bike and be there around 11PM!
Oh well--I'll hit Hollister tommorrow... Won't be the same thou!

Jason

did you happen to see the full size bronco with bald 31's. by the
time he made it out he couldn't open or close the passenger door.
fool still had a smile on his face. musta been a borrowed vehicle.
we got lucky w/no problems.
did anyone hear about the guy that crushed his hand.
heard he got it caught between the roll bar and the ground.
poor guy wasnt even driving. aint that a bitch...
anybody know him and how bad it was?:(

that was a white ford truck with a flatbed??? he was right in front of me when I did my last run and dug some big holes which game me a hell of a time with the 35's......I didn't hear about the guys hand but I heard about lifeflight coming in, must have been him.....I'm surprised a few others didn't get hurt....there was that dumbass passenger in the flatfender looking sami sticking his leg out and pushing the tire with his foot and resting his leg on the fender thinking he was cool or something :rolleyes: what an idiot.

the carb still did alright I had a few misses and lack of starts but it might have been my fuel filter...had to change it out when it got clogged....I did notice one thing about the angles with the carb....when I rolled it to the right the gas seemed to leak out the side of the engine bay and she wouldn't restart...BUT, when I rolled it to the left I was fully on my side and it was still running capably (kinda funny how I can observe this).....I might make a metal shroud on the right side of the carb and see if it keeps the gas in and helps it run....it definately runs well for a carb..but later if I can wrangle up the cash EFI might be in order...If it were a trail rig I'd be happy with it but I don't want points in a comp to come down to that...

And my sister said she didn't want to but after she told me she's glad I made her do it.

Glad to hear every body had such a great time. I wish I could have made it but I had a graduation to go to.

Great to see families wheelin!

--JoshC

no, the flat bed ford broke his front driveline coming in friday night, then lost his rear cover in the sluice. i headed home while he was still in there. got tired of waiting. the ford bronco was almost back to loon at pinch rock. he must have figured out
at the begining of the trail he needed to turn around. cause i never saw him at little sluice. too bad he didnt figure that out before he crushed the passenger side of his rig.
did you stay to watch the flatbed finish the sluice. if so did he make it or get winched out?

Had a good time this weekend watching the madness. It was nice to just ride shotgun in UGETIT's 4Runner and drink lots of :beer: all weekend. My liver hurts. :D ToyFamily was getting it in the box this weekend. But he definiitely needs some 37s..... :p

First major run of the year, and there were PLENTY of idiots. I had to have a talk with someone in our group who ran over a bush (not a POR member) trying to climb a wall, had to yell at some idiots who were blazing a new bypass through the mud and plowing over trees, Scott had to yell at some idiots who were shooting guns over the lake :rolleyes: and that's all I can remember for now. All in all it was a fun weekend....

That sluice hog with the flat bed took forever...It was a combination of bad driving and more then ever, not so good spotting...I was standing in the box watching those guys and they did not know what they were doing when "stacking rocks":zzz: Those guys smoke something I don't want to...He finally got out with a little bend in his door and a ripped open diff cover...

Originally posted by BJ On Roids
even though you run the super birfs, have you considered using two toy rears and having hydro (in the centre, on a pivot) and turning the rig from the centre like end loaders and so forth? to get rid of teh front birfs altogether? :rasta: :smokin:

is this too hard
too much work
or not feasible for some other reason?
(just a question of curiosity) cause it looks thin enough to try it on :eek:

woudlnt the amount of traction difference of the front or rear make it change how it steered. like, if the middle just twisted to turn, it would hjave to scrape the tires to the side to turn. ya know? and if the fronts had lots of traction, it would swing the rear around, so you couldnt control your turns. right???:confused: :rasta:

Originally posted by Lance
Had a good time this weekend watching the madness. It was nice to just ride shotgun in UGETIT's 4Runner and drink lots of :beer: all weekend. My liver hurts. :D ToyFamily was getting it in the box this weekend. But he definiitely needs some 37s..... :p

First major run of the year, and there were PLENTY of idiots. I had to have a talk with someone in our group who ran over a bush (not a POR member) trying to climb a wall, had to yell at some idiots who were blazing a new bypass through the mud and plowing over trees, Scott had to yell at some idiots who were shooting guns over the lake :rolleyes: and that's all I can remember for now. All in all it was a fun weekend....

indeed , had a great time on teh maden voyage of teh cruiser. got denied in the box (open front) but the propane was killer and smells cool too. good to see familiar faces out there and party it up! when phil(sillyneck) and i left today there were some morons that knocked down the bypass just before walker where teh tree is because some jeep was broke at teh tree, phil and I moterd up and around the dude and phil gave them an ear full for trampling the wrong area. heard teh gun shots too glad u spoke up! and saturday day was a full on party! jiMMy

cool so you did make it! any pics jimmy? i wanna see how the cruiser looked/did:rasta:

Nice pictures Nick, looks like the rear coilovers are working a ton better now. I almsot missed my graduation today, partied a little too hard last night:D I hope your mom wasn't around when Amanda was driving, since she was having a hard enough time with you doing it.

My favorite was on Saturday night with the junkyard wars guy in the box. Who was he trying to kid? It was sick watching Goliath, Welderboy, and that Cruizer in the box getting crazy. Can't wait till the 4th of July.

hey nick, the only real thing that needs work is the carb, i thought it would work better than my stock one that was on my 83 but it seamed to be about the same although i didn't drive it on its side. but the bugs will be found sooner or later.



Cliff

well for now ($$$$$) it'll work

saw you towing into marysville on thursday eve. you were just
passing by the fosters freeze............ me and la famila were on
our way to Chicoville so I could go to the boat drags in red bluff
on saturday.

I saw silly and the big green scout in Chico on park ave on their
way up as well..........

Stopped by and spoke with Mr Mike (Snowball) at the new shop
for awihle on friday.......... neat place....... I hope he's still having
"fun" running a shop, and not just becoming a business man.....

--God I miss Chico...

--Sherpa

toy family.

looking good.



jimmy

you are a freakin clown. all that time and effort building up your rig and you still have a open front?

Originally posted by camo

jimmy

you are a freakin clown. all that time and effort building up your rig and you still have a open front?

At least he <i>has</i> a front end! :flipoff2:

I spotted that big blue bronco thru gatekeeper, I felt sorry for him. I didnt go in but hung out at the 90 and heckled. I had fun and saw a ton of people and carnage.
the toy w/ 2" of spline on his front shaft :rolleyes: and mike when his steering wheel fell off hahahaha!! it was good to see everyone that I ran into. sorry i didnt catch up phil, just missed you by an hr or so...still kicking myself.

Originally posted by kidwired
I spotted that big blue bronco thru gatekeeper, I felt sorry for him. I didnt go in but hung out at the 90 and heckled. I had fun and saw a ton of people and carnage.
the toy w/ 2" of spline on his front shaft :rolleyes: and mike when his steering wheel fell off hahahaha!! it was good to see everyone that I ran into. sorry i didnt catch up phil, just missed you by an hr or so...still kicking myself.

huh? you were there? damn why didn't you come in? I was there until 2 or 3 on sunday.

that buggy is to light for the wet rocks

How much snow was up there? I wanna go all the way through next week.

Ian-

not much sno on the actual trail at all. youll be fine next week for sure, jiMMy

Ok it is now 12:30 Monday night and I just got back from the con about 2.5 hours ago! Left the back side of spider this afternoon at 1ish! Saw a few idiots on the trail, the only snag? Papa smurf(Keith) sheared off two of his studs that hold on the hysteer arm of his 44! So mr. Mcgyvers how due you fix that on the trail? well needless to say, he drove my trailer queen home, and I trailer his show and shine rig home!! That thing did not look right behind my tow rig! But we are all home and it was a killer weekend all around. Good to see everyone again.

Originally posted by imuz me
Ok it is now 12:30 Monday night and I just got back from the con about 2.5 hours ago! Left the back side of spider this afternoon at 1ish! Saw a few idiots on the trail, the only snag? Papa smurf(Keith) sheared off two of his studs that hold on the hysteer arm of his 44! So mr. Mcgyvers how due you fix that on the trail? well needless to say, he drove my trailer queen home, and I trailer his show and shine rig home!! That thing did not look right behind my tow rig! But we are all home and it was a killer weekend all around. Good to see everyone again.
bahahahahw :D

Originally posted by imuz me
Ok it is now 12:30 Monday night and I just got back from the con about 2.5 hours ago! Left the back side of spider this afternoon at 1ish! Saw a few idiots on the trail, the only snag? Papa smurf(Keith) sheared off two of his studs that hold on the hysteer arm of his 44! So mr. Mcgyvers how due you fix that on the trail? well needless to say, he drove my trailer queen home, and I trailer his show and shine rig home!! That thing did not look right behind my tow rig! But we are all home and it was a killer weekend all around. Good to see everyone again.

Sounds like Papa smurf almost has a full on beater now... takes it in the box and breaks it then broke it on the trail, sounds like it's going down hill :flipoff2:

There were way too many yahoos up there tearing up the trail this weekend!!! This was just before walker hill.....this will be tore up when this dries out....Saw this guy trying to make it out of the pit on my way through...

And this guy blew up his front end, or his tcase.....5grand on the tach and tires smokin!

our wheeling was way better....:flipoff2:
http://www.sierrarockcrawlers.com/data/srcforumuploads/DOCU0123.JPG

that pic was just one of many sweet lines...
trail of death no one could make it even 30 feet....

Originally posted by RudeZuk
And this guy blew up his front end, or his tcase.....5grand on the tach and tires smokin!

More like 6 grand! :D It was the stub that broke. Bummer thing was, it did not break until I was getting winched off the hang up.

Man Keith, I can't believe I missed you taking that pritty thing through the box, I was waiting all day for it.

And my sister said she didn't want to but after she told me she's glad I made her do it.

That's the sort of sentence you -don't- want taken out of context! Unless you're from Alabama or something...

Originally posted by Snowball
our wheeling was way better....:flipoff2:
http://www.sierrarockcrawlers.com/data/srcforumuploads/DOCU0123.JPG

that pic was just one of many sweet lines...
trail of death no one could make it even 30 feet....

Gee, and to think that my good "freind" Ant even was going.
and does he invite me??? nooooooooo...... that focker! he can
use a conduit bender for his work next time! I was even in
the "area" and could have gone......... wonders never cease.

--Sherpa

Originally posted by TeraTJ aka Drunk Guy
Man Keith, I can't believe I missed you taking that pritty thing through the box, I was waiting all day for it.

Sorry you missed it. You could have brought me some JD. It would not have been long after that:eek:

Sweet looking rigs guys. Wish I lived out there to test out my rig on those trails when it's finally done.

Dean

Originally posted by SHERPA RIG


Gee, and to think that my good "freind" Ant even was going.
and does he invite me??? nooooooooo...... that focker! he can
use a conduit bender for his work next time! I was even in
the "area" and could have gone......... wonders never cease.

--Sherpa


Damn taht sucks. You got your rig ready yet? I hear it was a good time too.

Dimitri

Originally posted by Danger Ranger


Sounds like Papa smurf almost has a full on beater now... takes it in the box and breaks it then broke it on the trail, sounds like it's going down hill :flipoff2:

All thanks to you finding my keys in the console, Asswipe!:flipoff2:

Originally posted by SLO_Crawlers
My favorite was on Saturday night with the junkyard wars guy in the box. Who was he trying to kid? It was sick watching Goliath, Welderboy, and that Cruizer in the box getting crazy. Can't wait till the 4th of July.


Yeah right:rolleyes:
Between that junkyard contraption that made it as far as the 1st ledge, Johnny Rotten, breaking down just after the ledge, Welder boy jumping in and struggeling in both directions, the carbuerated CJ that spent an hour finding a way to get stuck in every possible position, without making it halfway up the 1st ledge, it took about 3 hours to get 0 rigs through the box.
I think I finaly got in the box at 12:30, but Rotten was still in the fawkin way, blocking the wall line, and the center line and there was no good line over the top of him either. Hahaha It was a blast though, and Dave did steal the show with that insane climb up the wall.
I think I finaly went through the box at about 1:15 after lining up with 4 rigs in front of me at 9:00.:eek:

Originally posted by 85 rocrnr
that buggy is to light for the wet rocks

It's too light for this ...it's to skinny for that....it's to tall...It'll never work.....blablabla.....that's what people were saying just before I ran trail 7 at CalRocs and we walked it....rolled it...rolled it back over...(we need to make it heavier huh) and posted the fastest time only to be beat by 3 sec ( by a 44" tired rear steer rig)

And for you to say that, you must have missed the 8 runs the buggy walked, or the three of a 13yr old driving!! What do you exect from 35" BFGs (ice skates) in 44 inch holes. The 37's are coming, but for running 35's with no sidewall tread I think many will agree it did very well...better than some with 40+ tires:flipoff2:

Originally posted by ToyFamily


It's too light for this ...it's to skinny for that....it's to tall...It'll never work.....blablabla.....that's what people were saying just before I ran trail 7 at CalRocs and we walked it....rolled it...rolled it back over...(we need to make it heavier huh) and posted the fastest time only to be beat by 3 sec ( by a 44" tired rear steer rig)

And for you to say that, you must have missed the 8 runs the buggy walked, or the three of a 13yr old driving!! What do you exect from 35" BFGs (ice skates) in 44 inch holes. The 37's are coming, but for running 35's with no sidewall tread I think many will agree it did very well...better than some with 40+ tires:flipoff2:

very well said....I can't believe how many retards say sh!t!!! It's so fucking lame that I just have to say this.

Opinions are like assholes....and if you ain't built a buggy yourself then you not only are an ASSHOLE for having an opinion but you are a also a retard for having no clue how capable this buggy is. get your rocrunner out there and get it then pretend you know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by ToyFamily


It's too light for this ...it's to skinny for that....it's to tall...It'll never work.....blablabla.....that's what people were saying just before I ran trail 7 at CalRocs and we walked it....rolled it...rolled it back over...(we need to make it heavier huh) and posted the fastest time only to be beat by 3 sec ( by a 44" tired rear steer rig)

And for you to say that, you must have missed the 8 runs the buggy walked, or the three of a 13yr old driving!! What do you exect from 35" BFGs (ice skates) in 44 inch holes. The 37's are coming, but for running 35's with no sidewall tread I think many will agree it did very well...better than some with 40+ tires:flipoff2:

Hey Nic,

When I talked to you at the Gatekeeper and mentioned that you should sacrifice a little ground clearance and lower it a little, I hadn't realized that you had already done so. I didn't watch you too much in the box...It was like a Calrocs reunion and It was a little boring. Anyway, I made the comment because I have seen a lot of competition rigs now and it seems that you can sacrafice ground clearance and make it over obsticles with momentum and a spotter instead. So, I don't know if I was grouped into your "It's too tall" people but I was just trying to offer some advice. Sounds like you are already on it and are still working out the bugs...awesome rig BTW.

- Joel (The Judge from #7 at Calrocs;) )

oh cmawn scout dude! you know your just an a-hole :flipoff2:
btw i never could find where you guys camped lol

I cant wait to whoop on you with the sami...like a bent and twisted shoot out mono E mono baby!!!
we have a run in 2 weeks nicky...be there!!!

;) :trooper: ;)

mike

Mike wassup? I'm getting some guys to go to Fordyce on june 22nd. Be fun to have you along!

matt-

Originally posted by Scout Dude


Hey Nic,

When I talked to you at the Gatekeeper and mentioned that you should sacrifice a little ground clearance and lower it a little, I hadn't realized that you had already done so. I didn't watch you too much in the box...It was like a Calrocs reunion and It was a little boring. Anyway, I made the comment because I have seen a lot of competition rigs now and it seems that you can sacrafice ground clearance and make it over obsticles with momentum and a spotter instead. So, I don't know if I was grouped into your "It's too tall" people but I was just trying to offer some advice. Sounds like you are already on it and are still working out the bugs...awesome rig BTW.

- Joel (The Judge from #7 at Calrocs;) )


I'm not talking about you, I appriciate your thought (you asked me If I wanted it) but there were a few people in the crowd I knew at CalRocs specifically on 7 and heard a few people say the comments stated above before my run.........and then when we walked it those guys were staring atthe ground looking stupid.:fliipoff2:.....I also heard comments about it on the video I watched........I'm not getting butt hurt about it, but when most people are only bolting shit on there rigs THEN standing on the side (wheather at a Comp or at the Sluice) they have no say until they at least try it themselves....and No matter how shitty it may or may not have worked 1. Its a prototype rig, evolution is part of it and 2. YOUR STANDING ON THE SIDE AND I'M IN IT :flipoff2:

TOYFAMILY; sorry but I just gotta know. how do you get that big head in that rig?!

Originally posted by JIM3030
TOYFAMILY; sorry but I just gotta know. how do you get that big head in that rig?!

Ditto

I saw basically hang ups and roll overs.......:rasta: :rasta:

Well maybe that's cause I was in the box so much, testing shit out trying to get used to the rig....so you will se hang ups and roll overs when I put myself on the chopping block so many times. Lets see you bolt on some 35's and do better....One roll (crack line) no one else tried it....can't wait to see your asses in the box on the 4th doing better.......oh and the Big head fits perfect :flipoff2: ...... there is no arogance, just alot of hard work.....and proud of it.....

hehe....git it nick! BAD ASS! :rasta:

its too tall, :rasta:

Originally posted by The Jerk
its too tall, :rasta:

Yeah, but it's locked in the front so he can actually drive it instead of hitting your ARB switch and mouthing the psst psst sound:flipoff2:

j/k JiMMy, I know you were just giving him a hard time. The comment earlier about being too lite irritated me too. I was going to say something , specifically about the tires, but it's not my rig. I too have a lot of time into building it and Nick and I both know where improvements need to be made. I was expecting criticism, there are a few things about it that are pretty new on the scene, criticism is expected. For the second trip out, it seems like it performed pretty damn well to me.

Originally posted by ToyFamily
Well maybe that's cause I was in the box so much, testing shit out trying to get used to the rig....so you will se hang ups and roll overs when I put myself on the chopping block so many times. Lets see you bolt on some 35's and do better....One roll (crack line) no one else tried it....can't wait to see your asses in the box on the 4th doing better.......oh and the Big head fits perfect :flipoff2: ...... there is no arogance, just alot of hard work.....and proud of it.....

Not trying be a Jerk here (aka JiMMy)....
I would call on the side a roll also. No one else tried the crack, because that is the best spot to roll. Putting yourself on "The Chopping Block", does not mean you have a bitchen ride. Your rig is nice, but not a crack line machine by any stretch.

Hmmmm. I saw Craig run the Gerbel with 35's, and he ran the same line you did in about, oh, 1/10 the time. Gooooo Sillyfab.

So, if you were getting used to the rig, then you should be good at getting hung up and rolling over:rasta:

I'm not getting butt hurt about it, but when most people are only bolting shit on there rigs THEN standing on the side (wheather at a Comp or at the Sluice) they have no say until they at least try it themselves....

Right on Brotha'!! My last response to that kind of criticism was "your right, but it works better than anything you have ever built!" Some ass hole was commenting on how my 4 link should have been built, and he had never even gone past a shackle reversal on any of his rigs.

the light weight thing has been a topic of conversation in the snowmobile world for a few years and I have been involved with it ever since it was started. I still maintan that there is no situation that a rig can be too light for, unless its is towing heavy loads. Since competition rigs do not tow trailers, I beleive that the lighter the truck is, the better. There is only one constant in 4x4's and that is gravity.

Lighter is better!

Flame on. :D

Geeze guys dont be so fuckin sensitive.
I agree Nick that you have built a very nice rig, and I totaly respect how quickly it came around, and the fact that you are testin g it so hard and improving your skills.....but that is something that you chose to do,. and you enjoy doing it. Other people do have the right to have opinions, and the fact that they state them when you line up to do a run is not such a maliciouse act that you have to lash out and defend every comment.
Let your actions be your statement.
Those who know enough about the finer science of what ou have built, know and respect what you have done so far.
It does seem a little arrogant that, you consider yourself beyond the average humans comprehension, or opinions, of your current accomplishments after only a couple of trips in a new rig.

Come Awn Nick, I am talking huge smack here. Where the hell are you? Are you scared? I do like your buggy though, I need something for my kids in the sandbox at home.

Hey nick you ran that thing how many times? and what all has broke, with how many rolls? yeah I guess it must be to light :rolleyes: I think its cool that your goin against the grain a little with your rig, keep at it, you'll learn the rig and itll come together in the end!! Anyway I thought it was about having fun?! and that think looks like a lot of fun to me!! :beer:

I don't think of myself as above anyone else or what have you ....all I said is what I DID do, not what the thing is capable of and never backing it up.....I'm not trying to be arogant but (and might be a little sensitive on jumping comments) but it's funny how much people say it won't work and it does....
hey papa smurf I'm right here :flipoff2:......ok, Craig went once up and once down the box ......then broke...hmmmm.....and did you even get into the box??...oh ...wait you broke...and never got in...I'm still not broken after all the "hang ups and Flops".....yours is a sweet rig but maybe it should stick to show and shine...:D....sorry I called it a roll I'll wait til I plant it on the 17x22" roof to call it one then... I stand corrected....

Not being arogant just slinging back in fun :flipoff2:

good fucking day to all :flipoff2:

Toy Fam, I am the guy w/ the rear steer Toy that will be a single seater fuel injected in (2) wks. Don't take their Sh__ too seriously. They are envious and wish they had the ability to build one like ours. Furthermore, when I am on the Rubithon, they will only be able to watch our lines or walk them on 2 feet. Good Luck and "E" mail me I have some ???? for you Run Dog

This is what it looked like on Wednesday, I went in on Tuesday in the storm and had to break the trail!!!!:D
Originally posted by COMPLAINE
How much snow was up there? I wanna go all the way through next week.

Ian-

Originally posted by ToyFamily
I don't think of myself as above anyone else or what have you ....all I said is what I DID do, not what the thing is capable of and never backing it up.....I'm not trying to be arogant but (and might be a little sensitive on jumping comments) but it's funny how much people say it won't work and it does....
hey papa smurf I'm right here :flipoff2:......ok, Craig went once up and once down the box ......then broke...hmmmm.....and did you even get into the box??...oh ...wait you broke...and never got in...I'm still not broken after all the "hang ups and Flops".....yours is a sweet rig but maybe it should stick to show and shine...:D....sorry I called it a roll I'll wait til I plant it on the 17x22" roof to call it one then... I stand corrected....

Not being arogant just slinging back in fun :flipoff2:

good fucking day to all :flipoff2:

I like it....
by the way, you can break any parts if you dont get some traction:flipoff2: