Hello all,
I wanted to introduce myself.
I finally picked up my first Scout this past Thursday.
Now that I have it, I have a million questions.
This is my first major Project (I've done a 1975 Honda 400 four & a 1978 Vespa Scooter), so I'm trying to learn what's what....

Here is what I know:
1963
Chevy Small-Block V8
Muncie 4 Speed (1965)
Chevy Power Steering
Cadillac Radiator
SOA

Photos below (hopefully).

For more pictures, go to: photos.yahoo.com/mochamike2000

Here's some info:
V8 & SOA conversion was done about 12-14 years ago.
There were some problems with the clutch (installed incorrectly?), so it was put in storage until this week.
The top is rusty, & there are lots of bubbles here & there (see photos), but I only found one spot where it went completely through (right rear, where roof meets the truck).
My father-in-law is a body-man so he said not to worry....


Here are some of my questions:

Both front & rear axles say "27A" rear also has #031377 (3s maybe 8s), rear has a tag with: 47-11 & 4-27 on it.
Will these handle the power from the V8 & Tranny?
What are my gear ratios?

It has drums all the way around.
I know the cons about drums, & may need a new reservoir (rusty) for it anyway. Should I just go for a disc conversion? (See Axle Questions above).

The Transfer case says C18-15-24 & S4.
I'm assuming this is a Dana C18 (I also have a spare that says "Spicer C18".
Is this good or bad?

The clutch is exposed on the underside of the vehicle, shouldn't there be a cover?

If you notice on the photos of the Gearshift, the transfercase levers are snug against the seat, so they can't be pulled back.
What are some of the solutions for this? (Bend the levers? New Levers?)

As I said, the engine is a V8 Chevy smallblock.
I'm not sure if its a 350, 327, or 263.
I can't seem to find the stamp on it. The only stamp I found says:
"K08 31CKB". I can't really see well behind the headers, and there is a large plate on the front of the engine which has the power steering pump & alternator attached to it.

It has a 2 BBL Rochester Carb (I've never heard of them).
Is it any good? (It came with a re-build kit, which says for 1969-72 carbs).
The Manifold has "K11 6263752" Stamped on it.

Questions about the Dashboard/Controls (see pictures).
The pull levers are labeled with letters (is this stock?), please confirm their meaning:
"L" Lights
"V" Vent
"H" Heater
"D" Defog/Defrost

What is the big black knob/lever between the "D" & "V" switch do?

If the small gauges are Amps & Oil, what wen in the empty space (next to ashtray)?

Is there a choke?

Also let me know what you think of the rust spots, and if are any major things I should look for/avoid with this thing....

Thanks Much...
"MochaMike"
(Mike Bellew)
Concord, CA




http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/6fc415b1/bc/Scout+Photos+2002/Front.jpg?bcbeVG9AKwgurJuN
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Mike,

I thought I spied a new Scout in the neighborhood. :D I drive the gold Scout II, around the corner from you, I'm on Shakespeare. You'll have to drop by for a :beer:

Swing by the Binder (http://www.binderbulletin.org) for more Scout specific info. Read through the FAQ's good info there. The rear 27 is :barf: as well as the front. I might be able to help you out in the axle department, I happen to have a complete rear Scout II rear, and a front 44 minus the outers.

The wiring is a big question, most likely it'll need to be redone. What are your plans for wheeling rig or family rig?

Joe

BTW Welcome Newbie :flipoff2:

awwww, looks like someone has made a love connection.

Can you post a closer pic of that engine? Are you sure it is a chevy? Looks almost familiar from the far away pic. Kinda like an IH motor.
Spicer 18 good.
Dana 27 junk.

Does it have the warn overdrive?

Need some closer pics to give any good info.

BTW...from one DAN to another DAN :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Justin Messer
Looks almost familiar from the far away pic. Kinda like an IH motor.


Yeah, if someone bored a hole at the rear and moved the distributor to the back you might be right
:rolleyes:

If those are the stock springs under that thing get something else. They tend to break the front ones easily. It isn't a pretty sight when it happens.

I think the springs are stock...... :confused:
My order of work will be: Engine First & clutch first, then brakes, axles & suspension.

These are all I got of the engine right now... I can take more:

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/6fc415b1/bc/Scout+Photos+2002/__hr_Carb.jpg?bcT1n88Ag.jUqd3Mhttp://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/6fc415b1/bc/Scout+Photos+2002/__hr_Engine+Front.jpg?bcT1n88Adq33n5hIhttp://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/6fc415b1/bc/Scout+Photos+2002/Engine+3.jpg?bcjWgG9A9_laHSmF

Check out my Photos (photos.yahoo.com/mochamike2000/) for more pictures....

How can I tell if it has the Warn Overdrive?:massey:

[QUOTE]Yeah, if someone bored a hole at the rear and moved the distributor to the back you might be right

Yup, Sorry, my stupidity and bad eyesight.


As far as the Warn. You would be able to tell if it has another shifter that is not trans and not t-case. Pretty rare on scouts. Find a lot of them on Willys with a S18 though. If you can find an old one or you can also buy a new one from Advance Adapters, your in business. IMO they are great additions because you can run super low gears but still be highway friendly. I love the S18 t-case because its heay duty and there are so many gearing options to choose from. Some of the low gear sets cannot be used with an overdrive but others can. Rock lobster has a 4.86:1 gearset for the S18. Pretty low if you ask me.

Another question I have is about the heater vents.
If the heater is on the passenger side, I can run a line straight to the passenger vent intake.
How do I run it to the drivers side (see pix)...:eek:

Originally posted by Justin Messer
[QUOTE]Yeah, if someone bored a hole at the rear and moved the distributor to the back you might be right

Yup, Sorry, my stupidity and bad eyesight.


As far as the Warn. You would be able to tell if it has another shifter that is not trans and not t-case. Pretty rare on scouts. Find a lot of them on Willys with a S18 though. ..

My '63 has a factory warn overdrive behind the Dana 18 Tcase. The axles have 4.88's I believe. 4 sticks 1 tranny, 2 transfer case, 1 overdrive.

The P.O. crammed a buick V8 300 into the front and never finshed.

So, Where would it be connected on here?
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/6fc415b1/bc/Scout+Photos+2002/__hr_Misc+Parts+3.jpg?bcTWr88AYirrTSPm:rasta:

Grass-hopper much to learn

:flipoff2: this means funny ha ha, and as a welcome to the Newbies
:flipoff: this means fawk U, not nice :rolleyes:

We all give and get a fair amount of sheet around here, don't take anything personal it's all in fun.


I marked up your pic with where the Warn OD would be, along with aprox location of the stick.

Joe

D:( h!
Newbie Gods Strike Again without Mercy.....

Well then,

:flipoff2: Back at you......

Hey Mike,

The heater is only on one side in the engine compartment. there should be a sheet metal cross over tube thingy inside that heats the drivers floor. The vents have flexible tube that routes o both of them.

I dunno how they put that motor in there without cutting the sheet metal. I had to relocate the firewall over 2 inches.

My advice...ditch the 2 barrel intake and put a 4 barrel Performer intake on with a Q-Jet carb. also, if it will fit, put in an HEI distributor.

I have extra guages now if you are missing some...let me know.

Oh, and next to the ash tray would have been the cable operated choke. then farther down is the heater cable. I think that I still have a Choke cable too.

okay..today's lesson is over.

Welcome Newbie:flipoff2:

Originally posted by mochamike
Another question I have is about the heater vents.
If the heater is on the passenger side, I can run a line straight to the passenger vent intake.
How do I run it to the drivers side (see pix)...:eek:



The driver side vent intake is intended to be the fresh air intake, IIRC. Unless you can be a creative mofo, you can plumb both sides together. But I would imagine that would be alot tube in the eingine bay. Or do what a PO did with my 61, and that was add another heater to the driver side fender well. :D :flipoff2:


Welcome Newbie :flipoff2:

Did you notice if the PO hacked the front frame support forward to accomidate the SBC? I'm thinking about doing the same swap with a 327 / SM 420 combo. :eek:

I would venture to guess you ment to say 262,265,267,283,302,305,307,327,350,400. I'm gonna stake my money on a 283 ( which is really just a 265 bored over ) because of the alt placement and the funny manifold. To check for the numbers look for the casting number above the oil filter on the bell housing flange. I'm pretty sure it's a 283.

I drive right by your house every day on my way to work! Welcome to the board! Looks like you have a good project on your hands :)

:flipoff2:
Actually the block IS a 327, casting # 3858174 off right out of a 66 vette. The heads are # 3872702 from the same engine.
:p

I even have the fancy valve covers to boot...


:rasta:
Cheers,

Whoops, I thought that was directed to me. My bad.
:rolleyes: :vader2: :nuke:

The Frame support was moved back a few inches (you are talking about the support under the tranny right?).....
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It also has a custom engine mount plate, which holds the Engine, Alt, & PS.
This is the passenger side. You can see the plate (behind the hoses) & the bolt with the ground connected.
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/6fc415b1/bc/Scout+Photos+2002/Mounting+Plate+(LFT).jpg?bcEM_J9APGGJHbqQ

Here is the drivers side. You can see it cross over the engine, you can see where the Alt mount attaches, frame attaches just below it, PS is below the Fan.....
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/6fc415b1/bc/Scout+Photos+2002/Engine+Mount+(rt).jpg?bcEM_J9Al0EO.oNm:smokin:

Originally posted by Brawler
I would venture to guess you ment to say 262,265,267,283,302,305,307,327,350,400. I'm gonna stake my money on a 283 ( which is really just a 265 bored over ) because of the alt placement and the funny manifold. To check for the numbers look for the casting number above the oil filter on the bell housing flange. I'm pretty sure it's a 283.

The PO told me it was a 350 (he couldn't remember... it had been 10 years).
He's my wife's cousin.
My Father-In-Law did the SOA in about 1989. He thought (from memory) it was a 350.

The only numbers I found said "K08 31CKB".
They were on top front, behind the mounting plate (see previous post).

I was told by Chris L on the IHC Digest bulletin that:
"The engine code "ckb" is for a 72'350 2bbl carb 165 hp.I don't show the intake manifold number you have in my book.I would assume it is the 72' intake... Gm used Rochester carbs for many years.They are generally good carbs and more than adequate to move your Scout around. "

I looked today (above the oil filter), couldn't find any.
Where would they be in this photo?
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/6fc415b1/bc/Scout+Photos+2002/Oil+Pan.jpg?bcEM_J9AQaSXDJcK

Originally posted by Rubicrawler
I drive right by your house every day on my way to work! Welcome to the board! Looks like you have a good project on your hands :)
I think I would notice a 72 Wild Horse drive by......
Are you sure it's my house?
What color is it?
Stop by & say hello.....:flipoff2:

Originally posted by mochamike

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/6fc415b1/bc/Scout+Photos+2002/Mounting+Plate+(LFT).jpg?bcEM_J9APGGJHbqQ


Nice lower radiator hose. Is that kink necessary to throttle the coolant flow so it will warm up faster? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Rubicrawler
I drive right by your house every day on my way to work! Welcome to the board! Looks like you have a good project on your hands :)

Aw what the hell, you drive through every day and don't stop for a :beer: What is missing with this picture.

Joe

Originally posted by mochamike

I think I would notice a 72 Wild Horse drive by......
Are you sure it's my house?
What color is it?
Stop by & say hello.....:flipoff2:

The drive by is in a green 1999 Expedition :) I work down on Detroit.

Originally posted by jdjanda


Aw what the hell, you drive through every day and don't stop for a :beer: What is missing with this picture.

Joe

Do you really want me dropping by at 7:30am? If so, then a :beer: sounds good to me :D

Are you still comming to the party tomorrow?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jdjanda


Aw what the hell, you drive through every day and don't stop for a :beer: What is missing with this picture.

Joe [/QUOTE

That was meant for Bindernut right?

You going to be around tonight?

I'll stop by for :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: tonight....

Mike:flipoff2: +:beer: =:rasta:

Originally posted by Bindernut


Nice lower radiator hose. Is that kink necessary to throttle the coolant flow so it will warm up faster? :flipoff2:
I was just waiting for a smart ass comment about that.:flipoff2:
It's on my list.
I could tell you everything else on my list, but there would suddenly be a shortage of hard-drive space:barf:

Originally posted by mochamike


The PO told me it was a 350 (he couldn't remember... it had been 10 years).
He's my wife's cousin.
My Father-In-Law did the SOA in about 1989. He thought (from memory) it was a 350.

The only numbers I found said "K08 31CKB".
They were on top front, behind the mounting plate (see previous post).

I was told by Chris L on the IHC Digest bulletin that:
"The engine code "ckb" is for a 72'350 2bbl carb 165 hp.I don't show the intake manifold number you have in my book.I would assume it is the 72' intake... Gm used Rochester carbs for many years.They are generally good carbs and more than adequate to move your Scout around. "

I looked today (above the oil filter), couldn't find any.
Where would they be in this photo?
http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/6fc415b1/bc/Scout+Photos+2002/Oil+Pan.jpg?bcEM_J9AQaSXDJcK





You are looking in the wrong place. Look from the top of the motor. Look on the drivers side where the tranny bolts to the block. The area will be dirty so you will have to clean the grime away. On the right hand side of the dist.

Originally posted by Brawler






You are looking in the wrong place. Look from the top of the motor. Look on the drivers side where the tranny bolts to the block. The area will be dirty so you will have to clean the grime away. On the right hand side of the dist.

:emb4:
Found it... It was hard to read with a Mirror.:D

It says "3970010"...

What does that tell us?

With that casting number you have a .....

3970010 350 2-Bolt or 4-Bolt
3970010....350...69-80...2 or 4 bolt main.

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5654/cblkcast.html

I got this?

Cast #__Mtr_YR_Ma_Model
3970010 302 '69 4 Z-28 Camaro

Could be one of the two of these


3970010 - 327ci 1968-69
3970010 - 350ci 1968-79


If it is a 350 it could be a 2 or 4 bolt main.

If you're lucky it's a 327.