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T-Bolt
04-06-2007, 10:19 AM
I have a Lincoln 175 HD and it works fine when welding on top or straight on but if I have to get under something it seems like the weld will not penetrate and it pools at the end of the gun then falls to the floor shooting molten steel all over me. I can get a tack...tack...tack to work but not always. What normally causes this problem? I usually set my gas pressure at 15-20 if that matters. Sorry if my welding lingo is not spot on...
Thanks
usmc_birthday
04-06-2007, 10:36 AM
I have been told to turn the wire speed down when welding the bottom side of something.
Ford_KTM
04-06-2007, 11:26 AM
First, your gas is wet pretty high...I ussually run around 5-7 without problems....
Secondly overhead welds are very tough and simply require lots of practice.... Its not the welder.... its very difficult to lay down a nice bead on the underneath side of something... like USMC said, turn everything down.... secondly you need to just suck it up and keep filling in weld were it drips out... you will eventually finish the weld if donw right.... If it needs to be structural, you need to do one of two things, take it off and weld it on a flat table, or secondly practice enough to were you get good nough to lay down a good penetrated bead... the tack tack tack method really won't provide enough penetration
I usually crank my wire speed and heat up and move alot faster when welding overhead..
Not sure how that will work for you all but thats what works for me.
This is on a Miller 210
T-Bolt
04-06-2007, 12:51 PM
Hotter and more wire speed only leads to more burns all over my body.
sn0border88
04-06-2007, 03:19 PM
I had the same problem, turned the wire and heat down and moved back and fourth between the pieces and moved faster overall and I managed to get something accomplished.
Gusagus
04-06-2007, 04:44 PM
the problem is gravity.
fix is turn down the heat some move a little fast, and/or use a larger weave pattern.
CrustyJeep
04-06-2007, 05:06 PM
Hotter and more wire speed only leads to more burns all over my body.Get some damn leather!
Aces'n'8s
04-06-2007, 05:32 PM
Hotter and more wire speed only leads to more burns all over my body.
You have both an avatar and a profile line that states and I quote,
Harden the fuck up...
and you are worried about some hot weld spatter gravitating towards you?
Grow some hair on your balls....
or like another has stated wear some leather. :shaking:
45acp
04-06-2007, 05:38 PM
If you are doing everything right on top you should have to change nothing when you go upside down. I run the same speed/heat on some 3/16" laying on the table as i do overhead. You are doing something wrong if the weld is falling out on you.
As for the sparks, i weld upside down with fluxcore in shorts with only one glove and a fawking 15 year old Van Halen t-shirt with the sleeves cut out. Grow some balls.
KRMNALMIND
04-06-2007, 09:36 PM
your puddle needs to keep moving. you should not be letting it build up so much that it is dripping. How well are you able to see your weld while welding? meaning is your hood adjustable or what number lens. if you cant see it it will be hard to weld. years ago when i was getting certified on pipe welding i started having a problem in the middle of the class and didn't understand why. then the instructor lent me his hood and it was a new world. you should be able to see the puddle really good. it shouldn't be so dark that by the time you are seeing that nice orange glow.you should see it setup and flow this will help ypou control the speed at which you need tobe moving your patterns.wire speed and amperage should be consistent. if anything movinga little faster. hope that helps some.
Craig
T-Bolt
04-06-2007, 09:49 PM
You have both an avatar and a profile line that states and I quote,
Harden the fuck up...
and you are worried about some hot weld spatter gravitating towards you?
Grow some hair on your balls....
or like another has stated wear some leather. :shaking:
I never said it bothered me did I, I never came crying like...oh gee the burns are hurting my tender vagina oh dear what will I do....I am trying to explain how the it will not penetrate the steel. I have huge harry burned balls and I couldn't be happier so eat a bowl of 'em mmmmmkay?
Jeepermat
04-06-2007, 10:27 PM
Also use very little wire stickout when welding over head, and move quickly
Aces'n'8s
04-06-2007, 10:30 PM
I never said it bothered me did I, I never came crying like...oh gee the burns are hurting my tender vagina oh dear what will I do....I am trying to explain how the it will not penetrate the steel. I have huge harry burned balls and I couldn't be happier so eat a bowl of 'em mmmmmkay?
So what's the problem then? If buring yourself isn't causing you to cry, then why do you care if molten slag and steel occassionally burn you? That's right, you're trying to weld correctly.
As for your lack of penetration,
go read a welding manual....
or take the advice of some of the posters in this thread....
oh yeah...Harden the fuck up....mmmmmmmmmkay?
:flipoff2:
randii
04-06-2007, 11:50 PM
The welder is fine -- change out the weldor! :flipoff2:
KRMNALMIND
04-07-2007, 11:26 AM
I thought of something else i would add. It sounds like you are trying to single pass it. You should probably go to a 3 pass root, fill and cover pass. this would allow you to go with lower heat and run faster or at least 2 pass with a solid root then a fill cover pass. Remember it's better to take your time and get a solid weld than rush it and have it fail.
Craig
T-Bolt
04-07-2007, 05:16 PM
Oh sweet, thanks for the good advice. I was hoping to make a point describing how the weld will not penetrate and how it falls to the floor but instead I am going to move to the south and have sex with my dirty grand father who I put in my avatar and then post on pirate 4x4 on how small my penis is and how well my sister works my dirty southern cock. So thanks for the good advice and the rest can eat a big bowl of my hardened, burned, hairy cock..
Thanks and fuck off unhardened fag southern homo shit eaters! Oh and here is your gay green smiley finger so you think I am kidding...hahaha eat a cock douche bag fuck sitck!!!
:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Aces'n'8s
04-07-2007, 08:05 PM
Oh sweet, thanks for the good advice. I was hoping to make a point describing how the weld will not penetrate and how it falls to the floor but instead I am going to move to the south and have sex with my dirty grand father who I put in my avatar and then post on pirate 4x4 on how small my penis is and how well my sister works my dirty southern cock. So thanks for the good advice and the rest can eat a big bowl of my hardened, burned, hairy cock..
Thanks and fuck off unhardened fag southern homo shit eaters! Oh and here is your gay green smiley finger so you think I am kidding...hahaha eat a cock douche bag fuck sitck!!!
:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
If that's all you got then you deserve to reside out in the Midwest with all the sleeveless mouthbreathers. :shaking:
Likewise, with all your whining....it sounds to me like you're the one who requires some male enhancement. Your continued repetition of "bowl of balls"..."bowl of cock" leads me to believe you have some subconscious fascination with them. Perhaps, it is you, who have indulged in said bowls of cock and balls once too often. :laughing:
If you are literate, then I suggest you read some manuals specifically discussing overhead welding. If not, then hey...you'll fulfill my expectation of a Midwesterner.
DSMTJ
04-07-2007, 09:55 PM
Aces'n'8s - Bolt isin't the only one who thinks you should eat a bowl of cock. The guy posts on here w/ a legitimate question and you jump all over him like the grandpa that you anally raped in your avatar. You fully meet my expectations of an inbred southerner, that has had more sex with his sister than he has with his mamma. If you're not into bowl of cock, try a bowl of asshole.
randii
04-08-2007, 12:53 AM
So thanks for the good advice and the rest can eat a big bowl of my hardened, burned, hairy cock...
With how thin your skin apparently is, I'm doubting you could fill a bowl. :rolleyes:
ronnyg801
04-08-2007, 01:15 AM
I have found that when I am welding overhead that I have to turn up the heat and wire speed a bit. I have not done any overhead on anything "thick" though. The thickest has been 18ga. I know that this is not close to some examples above but it was all that was required on our welding test(I-CAR).
When we were taught to do the vertical welds we would tilt the gun 20* to the side and about 20* or so down, moving down the coupons. This worked FOR ME. When we were taught to do the overhead we kept the gun as close to perpendicular as possible(move your body to the side to see and avoid some of the spatter). This also worked FOR ME. Also staying pretty close to the work piece.
Aces'n'8s
04-08-2007, 05:27 PM
Aces'n'8s - Bolt isin't the only one who thinks you should eat a bowl of cock. The guy posts on here w/ a legitimate question and you jump all over him like the grandpa that you anally raped in your avatar. You fully meet my expectations of an inbred southerner, that has had more sex with his sister than he has with his mamma. If you're not into bowl of cock, try a bowl of asshole.
STFU corn boy. This is Pirate. :flipoff2:
If you can't stand the irony in someone who has both an avatar and profile line quoting "Harden the fuck up" and they're complaining about some weld burns...then by God...you belong right beside ole T-bolt.
What is it with you Midwesterners and balls, cock, and now asshole fixations?
Once again, you have proven yourself to be an idiot and I thank you for the challenge it took you to form the above ^ sentiments. I only hope that it didn't rob you of all your brain power...because someone has got to harvest the corn.
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