I know theres probably a thread on here somewhere about them but i couldnt find it so im posting this. What is the opinion on these things? Do they realy work or do they cause more problems the there worth? What kind of problems to the actually cause, if any? I dont know if it matters or not but they would be going under the rear of my SASd S10. I have 6 inch lift 54'' springs with a dana 60FF hanging from them. So do you think they would work for me or should i just stay away?

Bad. They open up inconsistantly. Just use normal shackles and you'll be better off.

Chris

Not to be a dick but can you explain what u mean when you say "inconsistantly"

Try searching for "revolver" shackles, since that's what they're called.

From what I've seen on the trail....the revolver shackles are great when you're showing off on the RTI ramp, but guys who have them don't like them because when they get into downhill off camber situations they have a tendency to open unexpectedly. They go from solid stable to rocking up on 3 or even 2 wheels as a result. I've never heard complaints like that about a 3/4 eliptical setup if you're looking of cheap and easy droop, probably because they have controlled downtravel. They do suffer from axle wrap though....trade offs, trade offs

I have them front and rear on mt CJ (previous owner installed) and so far they seem to be ok. I have not had any problems with them yet but when I redo the suspension they will probably not be used.

Not to be a dick but can you explain what u mean when you say "inconsistantly"

Like was said earlier... They are great for showing off on a RTI, but when your on rocks with different surfaces and such they have a tendency to open unexpectedly. They are not smooth from what I've seen, they go from closed to open pretty quick unless your on a very consistent grade (aka RTI ramp).

Hope that helps.

Chris

I've seen video of them in action, and did not like they way they worked. It looked like there was no control of the axle when the shackles opened. Besides, if the spring is not pushing down on the axle, it isn't really doing anything anyway.

Well, I've had mine on for over 5 years. I ran the Rubicon with no lockers and ifs with them, couldn't make it without them. Now I'm built but still not sas yet. Next year when sas'd , they will stay on, but I would never want them on the front. The so-called unloading on steep downhills is easily fixed by using a single limiting-strap in the middle. Set the length so it stops just before the shackles open, side to side flex won't be anyless.
I've also been to Moab and ran Golden Spike with no locker, they made the difference.
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6203/dscf0434nz6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Well, I've had mine on for over 5 years. I ran the Rubicon with no lockers and ifs with them, couldn't make it without them. Now I'm built but still not sas yet. Next year when sas'd , they will stay on, but I would never want them on the front. The so-called unloading on steep downhills is easily fixed by using a single limiting-strap in the middle. Set the length so it stops just before the shackles open, side to side flex won't be anyless.
I've also been to Moab and ran Golden Spike with no locker, they made the difference.
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6203/dscf0434nz6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Xteror1, what are you try to show us in this picture? I don't see any Revolvers...just a spring under axle:confused:

Choped4door, stay away from the Revolvers. They cause the suspension to unload. The additional suspension travel does not provide any useable traction…just wheel hop. Save your money for bigger tires or more :beer:, both will help you get over the rocks easier then Revolvers.

center limiting strap.

What about a setup like this?
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u111/spadger83/xaxle.jpg

on the rear tho

That looks similar to a 3/4 elliptical setup only with a solid link. Either one would provide controlled down travel I would think because the springs would have to flex in order for that link to move. I'm not sure. Either way I'd want to make it lockable for street use.

i vote 3/4 since its not just a sudden drop but its got rate but you should use something softer than your stock leave pack

In theory the geometry of the revolver is good for flex. But I know several people who have bent and damaged them. My buddy ran 64" chevy springs with just the two longest leafs, a half of a leaf on each side(with the eyelet side where the shackle would bolt to) and attached it to the frame so when you flex, the mounting point for the shakle will come away from the frame. Then he ran a stock set or stamped Chevy shackles mated to a set or Downey shackles. So as your axle droops away from the frame the dual shackle will open then when it is open the Half leaf(buggy spring) will fall away from the frame. It flexed really well, but very long shocks were used to help slow down the process to provide some stability when going down hill.

3/4 elliptical AND double shackles? That's a whole lot of down travel. Does it have any up travel to match? With that much side to side play I'd start to worry about the axle walking. Did he run a panhard bar with it?