Broncosix bad seller!!!

[waynehartwig]

I recently purchase a rear FF D60 from Brian that he claimed to be from a 78-79 Scottsdale PU and ready to run. That thread is here (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6568401).

When it arrived, it was not ready to run. The pinion seal had been leaking for some time and the pinion was very loose. There were missing wheel studs. There were only 3 mismatched bolts in the diff cover. There were divots in the housing from cutting brackets off and what was left of a truss that was welded to the tubes and pumpkin as well as link and spring pads. Now, after looking at pics of his CJ, I bet this axle was in it prior to the 14 bolt he has now. It looks to have the same truss and 4 link setup.

At that time, I was like oh well... I'm putting 5.13's, ARB, 35 spline axles and Cadi calipers - I made that decision between the time it shipped and arrived, originally my only complaint about this axle was 30 spline, as I was going to run a Detroit and 4.88's. I guess I just have more work in cleaning up than I had anticipated.

So I ordered up the parts, the parts arrived and I started stripping the axle. First thing I noticed was the wheel bearings I recieved would not work in the hubs of this thing. No prob, Randy's must have sent me the wrong ones, so I emailed my salesman with the Timken part numbers (could not find a seal number).

Then I set off to bore the spindles. That's when I realized I was fucked. First I noticed the outer area of the hubs neck down, they aren't straight like a GM would be. The OD of the spindle is 1.75" - HUH!?!?! I go over and measure another D60 I have sitting here, and it's 2"!!! Ok, I think, WTF!?!?!

Then I get an email back from Randy's stating that the only two D60's that they can find that use those bearings are 53-69 F250 or 56-64 Studebaker PU!! After knowing that, it made sense on the axle lengths - as that was what was in a 69 F250!!! But only 16 spline...Making sense on spindle size now, too....

In the past, I was kind of curious about the wierd axle lengths it had (33.75") and the last year they put a D60 in the rear of a GM (not van) was in 72 (according to my Dana BOM book).

So anyway, I got fucked!! I did not receive a ready to run axle, and it definately was not out of a 78-79 Scottsdale!! I want my $950 back and the $315 I paid for shipping. After finally talking to Brian today (been emailing, pming and no response from him or his friend, Jim Clark (Jim Clark Enterprises) that sent me the axle and the one that took my money).

EDIT: I will be satisfied if you send me a (good, unmolested) empty FF D60 housing and hubs to replace this one.

EDIT: If I don't receive my money back soon, I will contact my credit card company and let them deal with this. My wife is also a federal law enforcement officer, so I'll talk it over with her and see what our options are. Since this is an intrastate transfer, it is a federal issue, not local.

Here are quotes of the information proving what I am stating:

I have a Dana 60 rear axle with 4:88 gears, Detroit Locker, and Disc Brake conversion. Axle is complete and ready to run. It is full width and 30 spline axles. Can ship forward air, $100-150 you pay shipping. Asking $1000.00 Located in Indianapolis, IN
Call 317 385-3277 or 317 753-8889
Thanks

It is leaf spring. And it is 8 lug, Chevy front calipers and the bracket is welded to the housing. As far as the set up goes you can make it anything you want.

[I am not agreeing to ship to your door. The only way I will ship this is Forward Air. You will have to pick up at one of the two Forward Air terminal that I mentioned. I dont know which one is closest to your location. I do not know what the axle came out of. I took it out of a Scottsdale truck 78 or 79. I will have to measure the wheel mounting surface and get back with you. I should get to the shop today sometime.
The $1050.00 get the axle crated and shipped to the nearest Forward Air terminal of your choice.
This axle was pulled from a running and driving truck, in which I sold the engine, trans, t-case and front dana 60.

Let me know,

Brian

OK, we have a deal at $950 and you are responsible for the shipping. I will get a crate built and get it ready to drop at Estes. My buddy can take credit cards at his shop. I did not know how you would like to pay for the axle? If you want to pay via credit card just call Jim Clark at 317 753-8889 he builds transmissions and ships them all over the world. Let me know.
Thanks,

My cell is 317 385-3277 Brian

[ih4x4]

if you are planning on disputing the credit card you may want to get started in that as you have a limited amount of time to dispute the charges 30-45 days,also you will be stuck with the return shipping when you dispute the charge,

[jdrocks]

so the next logical thing to have happen here is for broncosix to post that he bought it from kyle greek and was told it was a gm d60 rear. but i give him credit for a skillfully crafted statement "I do not know what the axle came out of. I took it out of a Scottsdale truck 78 or 79." now that his whole deal fell apart, we can recognise the deceit in that statement. so another scammer unveiled-time to pay up.

[Jeepermat]

You paid $950 for a D60 rear? Holy shit!

[payton]

if need be ill swing by and give him a message for ya if need be.

payton

[crownhilldigger]

if need be ill swing by and give him a message for ya if need be.

payton

He's a little closer than Kyle.

[waynehartwig]

You paid $950 for a D60 rear? Holy shit!

Yes, but in all fairness, it was supposed to be ready to run with a Detroit, 4.88's, GM disc conversion, etc. One could easily spend $950 to build a wrecking yard axle with just those items.

I've also looked around here, and I can't find a D60 for sale for less than $400, making this a pretty good deal for me. In fact, I just bought a replacement (for this) from Utah because of that fact.

[waynehartwig]

if you are planning on disputing the credit card you may want to get started in that as you have a limited amount of time to dispute the charges 30-45 days,also you will be stuck with the return shipping when you dispute the charge,

True.. But then I'd only be out about $600 instead of $1,200+....

[waynehartwig]

if need be ill swing by and give him a message for ya if need be.

payton

Sure, tell him :flipoff2: and of course to pay up ;)

[payton]

He's a little closer than Kyle.

ready to go for a ride?

Sure, tell him :flipoff2: and of course to pay up ;)



do i get a finders fee? haha :flipoff2:

[waynehartwig]

ready to go for a ride?





do i get a finders fee? haha :flipoff2:

You get my $1200+ back, and I'll give you $200! :D

[waynehartwig]

Got to thinking...

I'd be satisfied if he was to send me a useable housing. Of course it has to be FF, with hubs and carrier bearing caps, but it could be empty otherwise (no axles, gears, diff, cover)...

[odin544]

yeah you could spend 950 building a junkyard axle. but at least you would know what you had in the end. 950 was way too much in my opinion. but back to the issue. where is this fucker at?

[waynehartwig]

yeah you could spend 950 building a junkyard axle. but at least you would know what you had in the end. 950 was way too much in my opinion. but back to the issue. where is this fucker at?

Not really, as I said in a post just before, the cheapest I could find was about $400 locally. Because of that, I just bought another D60 in Utah that is being shipped up as we speak. This one is from a friend and only cost me an Optima battery (and shipping), so $300?

Here is what he had to say about his location....
sorry, i am in indy, in. i will have to measure wms.

[odin544]

where is mead? im in SE washington. i know the junkyard here has several 60 rears for 100-150 each. anyways i hope you get your money back.

[waynehartwig]

where is mead? im in SE washington. i know the junkyard here has several 60 rears for 100-150 each. anyways i hope you get your money back.

Between Spokane and Canada (WAY north/east WA), but not the point.

He fucked me, he knows it, and I never got a kiss, reach around or anything. ...The least he could have done was not mix sand with the KY!

[DMGunn]

Good luck with this. Hope you have an easier time than we are with Kyle Greek, who is a thief, BTW.

Sand in the KY.............ouch.

I agree that $400 is WAY too much for a rear 60. You should have looked harder. I've had a thread here since July '06 selling axles....unmolested rear 60s for $125.

[waynehartwig]

Good luck with this. Hope you have an easier time than we are with Kyle Greek, who is a thief, BTW.

Sand in the KY.............ouch.

I agree that $400 is WAY too much for a rear 60. You should have looked harder. I've had a thread here since July '06 selling axles....unmolested rear 60s for $125.

Had I known... :(

[Hanr3]

Regardless what he paid for the axle, he was ripped off.

[waynehartwig]

Regardless what he paid for the axle, he was ripped off.

Exactly my point and thought...

[JRATOFFROAD "TheRat"]

I hate fuck sticks like this guy. I ship axles all over and had one guy pay me and then take his money back (paypal) and not respond to any emails or phone calls so I had it shipped back and had to pay shipping twice (which was double cause I didnt get a discount commin back) very bad people out there. If you need another 60 after this let me know I have about 10 for $125 Thanks Jason Ratcliff

[waynehartwig]

I hate fuck sticks like this guy. I ship axles all over and had one guy pay me and then take his money back (paypal) and not respond to any emails or phone calls so I had it shipped back and had to pay shipping twice (which was double cause I didnt get a discount commin back) very bad people out there. If you need another 60 after this let me know I have about 10 for $125 Thanks Jason Ratcliff

I agree.. People like this make it difficult to trust anyone.

I think I'm good on the rear 60 now... A friend in Utah sent me one for the cost of a Optima Red.

[waynehartwig]

Keepin' on top!

[waynehartwig]

This is obviously not going anywhere, so I'm going to file a fraud alert and open a case with my credit card company.

[waynehartwig]

Apparently this Jim Clark Enterprises is quite the piece of work... I found this over here (http://www.ifsja.org/forums/vb/showthread.php?t=67020).

I found out about Jr Jeep Parts at www.jeep-classifieds.net, and he had a few transmissions for sale. So I researched him. Over all, he turned out OK. A few complained that he was slow in getting a transmission to them, but it wasn't many, and ultimately they received what they paid for. Not me.

So if anyone is in or near Greenwood, Indiana maybe you can help. The owner is Jim Clark, and the business is Jim Clark Enterprises in Greenwood. He has also sold transmissions on eBay, as well as Jeep Classifieds.

I paid for a New Venture 4500 through three PayPal payments, and I have the PayPal transaction numbers. I have corresponded with him through telephone and email, and he usually answered the phone and said he would be getting me the transmission till he quit answering the phone when I called in October of 2006. He had agreed to hold thre transmission for me after I paid for it until I was ready to receive it. I began working on tearing down the 401 last July, so since I had a place to store it, I notified him that I was ready to receive it. I gave him an address to ship the transmission. He has only occasionally answered the phone since then. Paypal won't do anything because of the time duration from the last transaction (must be less than 45 days), and their advice was to contact local law enforcement.

Just for grins I just tried to call him, and he answered the phone!!! So his number is still good. While I was looking up the PayPal transaction numbers he hung up the phone! Not sure what to do at this point other than go to the police.

Kenneth Smith

[waynehartwig]

Keeping it up high :D

[yeep74]

I just sent 2 ford 60s to the scrapper last weak. Whudya mean they ALL want 400 for a rear 60?:flipoff2:

In all fairness it was supposed to be an already built axle.

Good luck with it
B

[waynehartwig]

I just sent 2 ford 60s to the scrapper last weak. Whudya mean they ALL want 400 for a rear 60?:flipoff2:

In all fairness it was supposed to be an already built axle.

Good luck with it
B

I didn't say ALL...

"the cheapest I could find was about $400 locally" Is what I said, even if it is out of order, damn dyslexia!!

I know where there lots of them for $100-125 each in Utah... In fact, I have one of them here now. Granted, I did have to pay $140 in shipping, though... But I am in much better shape this way....

What I'll probably do is find another good housing and stick all of the detroit and etc. in it and try to sell it off to recoupe some of my loss... The internals and brakes he sent are in good shape. My only bitch is the housing. Had I known it was an earlier 16 spline housing, I wouldn't have touched this!

[waynehartwig]

Oh, and I'm still waiting on Broncisix to send me pics of the 78-79 Scottsdale PU that he said this came out of.... Did I mention that in the opening post? That was part of our conversation before I started this thread.....


Hey Matts, can we ban him too (until he pays me)?:smokin:

[waynehartwig]

Broncosix and Jim Clark Enterprises are thiefs :flipoff2:


Anyone know Brian's last name or even address?

[odin544]

this seems to be going nowhere fast. why is it some members get help when ripped off yet others dont??? If i had anything I could help you with i would.

[trkklr77]

will there is a couple of red flags you should have caught on to be for you ever thought about it

1 hes from indiana
2 chevys never used a d60 rear after 72


his post says it was a 30 spl so that on you for being upset that it had 30 spl not 35
are you sure its even a d60 and not a 14b?, 67 is a wms on a 14bff

hope you get somthing out of it, are you going to send his axle back?

[payton]

will there is a couple of red flags you should have caught on to be for you ever thought about it

1 hes from indiana


WHAT THE FUCK THAT SUPPOSE TO MEAN? YOU TRYING TO SAY EVERYONE FROM INDIANA IS A FUCKING POS THIEF?

IF SO FUCK YOU JACKASS!:mad3:


IVE SOLD SHIT ON HERE AND TRADED PARTS FROM TIME TO TIME AND NEVER ONCE RIPPED ANYONE OFF OR EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

[waynehartwig]

will there is a couple of red flags you should have caught on to be for you ever thought about it

1 hes from indiana
2 chevys never used a d60 rear after 72


his post says it was a 30 spl so that on you for being upset that it had 30 spl not 35
are you sure its even a d60 and not a 14b?, 67 is a wms on a 14bff

hope you get somthing out of it, are you going to send his axle back?

Bottom line, he sold me something that I did not purchase. You shooting the messenger or what? :flipoff2:

[tonka22]

post all the info you have

[Hanr3]

this seems to be going nowhere fast. why is it some members get help when ripped off yet others dont??? If i had anything I could help you with i would.

I was thinking the same thing.

So, how do we elevate this to the next level?

[waynehartwig]

post all the info you have

Unfortunately I already have :(

[Jeepermat]

That sucks donkey dick.
I have a ff D60 with hubs and shafts you can have if you still want one.

[trkklr77]

WHAT THE FUCK THAT SUPPOSE TO MEAN? YOU TRYING TO SAY EVERYONE FROM INDIANA IS A FUCKING POS THIEF?

IF SO FUCK YOU JACKASS!:mad3:


IVE SOLD SHIT ON HERE AND TRADED PARTS FROM TIME TO TIME AND NEVER ONCE RIPPED ANYONE OFF OR EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT IT.


no, not everyone from indiana is a fucking pos thief, i havent met anyone in indiana that wasnt a lazy, tweaking, stupid pos. i havent met you in person but your lining up to fit right in.

sorry you live a in a state full of useless, retarded, mouthbreathers, that drags down the national averrage of IQ and drives up the welfare %. if america went back to 49 states and we wiped out indiana the country wouldnt miss a beat and we would be better off.


im glad youve sold and traded parts with out issue, i have too, woopty fawking doo. amazingly enough its not hard to do legidimate buisness transactions from any where and not have to think about how to rip people off, but if some one got ripped off by a person in indiana it doesnt surprise me at all, most people out there are to stupid to know what theyre selling.

so take your state pride and shove it up your butthurt butt.:flipoff2:

[Toy Story]

Broncosix and Jim Clark Enterprises are thiefs :flipoff2:


Anyone know Brian's last name or even address?


His name is Brian Crabtree.

E-mail is crabtreepb@lilly.com

Still working on narrowing down the address.


Jim Clark is known as "jrjeepparts" on Pirate and a few other boards. His email is jrjeepparts@msn.com

[jeepfamily]

I love all the extra shit in these threads ..........by the way GO PACERS!!!!!!:flipoff2:

[waynehartwig]

no, not everyone from indiana is a fucking pos thief, i havent met anyone in indiana that wasnt a lazy, tweaking, stupid pos. i havent met you in person but your lining up to fit right in.

sorry you live a in a state full of useless, retarded, mouthbreathers, that drags down the national averrage of IQ and drives up the welfare %. if america went back to 49 states and we wiped out indiana the country wouldnt miss a beat and we would be better off.


im glad youve sold and traded parts with out issue, i have too, woopty fawking doo. amazingly enough its not hard to do legidimate buisness transactions from any where and not have to think about how to rip people off, but if some one got ripped off by a person in indiana it doesnt surprise me at all, most people out there are to stupid to know what theyre selling.

so take your state pride and shove it up your butthurt butt.:flipoff2:

How does this help me? It doesn't, so take your comments to PM's or start your own "Indy sucks" thread.

[waynehartwig]

His name is Brian Crabtree.

E-mail is crabtreepb@lilly.com

Still working on narrowing down the address.


Jim Clark is known as "jrjeepparts" on Pirate and a few other boards. His email is jrjeepparts@msn.com

Thank you!!! I knew the JRJeepparts, part. He won't answer my emails at all... And I know he checks it, becuase we used that address to correspond prior to me even receiving the axle.

Brian Crabtree and Jim Clark Enterprises are theifs!!

[waynehartwig]

That sucks donkey dick.
I have a ff D60 with hubs and shafts you can have if you still want one.

That might be useful to put this axle back together in a good state and sell/use it later. Thank you!

[odin544]

i assume you have contacted matt about this right?

[jrjeepparts]

first off i dont use pirate very much so i dont check my email everyday.i only use this email address with pirate and a few other websites.if you email me i will respond to your questions.
i have a business that rebuild manual transmissions for jeeps and other 4x4 trucks.i have shipped transmissions to germany,puerto rico,mexico,australia and most of the states.i have a 100 % positive feedback on my ebay account.so dont bad mouth me or my business.
yes i recieved money from you via credit card for the purchase of a dana 60 rear end.this dana 60 axle was removed from a 1979 chevt 4x4 truck.i know this to be fact because it was removed from the truck at my business location.brian and i purchased the truck for the 454 engine that was in the truck.the guy we bought it from was going to replace the dana 60 axes in the truck front and rear for a set of rockwells.
he had removed the front dana 60 and traded it for a set of rockwells,he found out it was too much for him and his son to build.we purchased the truck without the front axle.
we took the truck to my shop and removed the engine,trans and transfer case.we also removed this dana 60 axle from this 1979 chevy 4x4 truck.
we have no idea what the rearend come out of origionally but it was in this truck.the rearend did have a disc brake conversion mounted on it.it had a detroit locker with i think was 4:88 gears.it also had 30 spline axles in it.
i dont know what brian told you but i do know what i have just stated is the truth about this dana 60 axle.
i dont check this website very much,but today a friend of mine told me some asshole was bad mouthing me on this website.so i just wanted to put my 2 cents worth in on this matter.brian has nothing to do with my business,he is a friend of mine.i said something to him when you emailed me and i thought he was working with you.i dont see him everyday so i dont know what he has done about your complaint.i know that i have not lied to you or anyone else on the matter of this dana 60 rearend.
if you email me i will answer your email.i am sorry that you are not happy with the dana 60 but i dont know what you expect me to do.
now as far as bad mouthing people from indiana you can stick your head up your ass as far as that is concerned.
i am proud to be from indiana .i am an army veteran from the vietnam war time and very proud of my state and country.
the matter here is you are mad about an axle you recieved so dont make it an issue on who is the better person.
i deal with people around the world but i dont say that all people from washington state are assholes.i know some nice people in washington state.
i think enough has been said here.email me and i will talk to you.you other assholes who want to judge people before you know all the facts can kiss my ass.
sincerly,
jim clark:flipoff2:

[tonka22]

first off i dont use pirate very much so i dont check my email everyday.i only use this email address with pirate and a few other websites.if you email me i will respond to your questions.
i have a business that rebuild manual transmissions for jeeps and other 4x4 trucks.i have shipped transmissions to germany,puerto rico,mexico,australia and most of the states.i have a 100 % positive feedback on my ebay account.so dont bad mouth me or my business.
yes i recieved money from you via credit card for the purchase of a dana 60 rear end.this dana 60 axle was removed from a 1979 chevt 4x4 truck.i know this to be fact because it was removed from the truck at my business location.brian and i purchased the truck for the 454 engine that was in the truck.the guy we bought it from was going to replace the dana 60 axes in the truck front and rear for a set of rockwells.
he had removed the front dana 60 and traded it for a set of rockwells,he found out it was too much for him and his son to build.we purchased the truck without the front axle.
we took the truck to my shop and removed the engine,trans and transfer case.we also removed this dana 60 axle from this 1979 chevy 4x4 truck.
we have no idea what the rearend come out of origionally but it was in this truck.the rearend did have a disc brake conversion mounted on it.it had a detroit locker with i think was 4:88 gears.it also had 30 spline axles in it.
i dont know what brian told you but i do know what i have just stated is the truth about this dana 60 axle.
i dont check this website very much,but today a friend of mine told me some asshole was bad mouthing me on this website.so i just wanted to put my 2 cents worth in on this matter.brian has nothing to do with my business,he is a friend of mine.i said something to him when you emailed me and i thought he was working with you.i dont see him everyday so i dont know what he has done about your complaint.i know that i have not lied to you or anyone else on the matter of this dana 60 rearend.
if you email me i will answer your email.i am sorry that you are not happy with the dana 60 but i dont know what you expect me to do.
now as far as bad mouthing people from indiana you can stick your head up your ass as far as that is concerned.
i am proud to be from indiana .i am an army veteran from the vietnam war time and very proud of my state and country.
the matter here is you are mad about an axle you recieved so dont make it an issue on who is the better person.
i deal with people around the world but i dont say that all people from washington state are assholes.i know some nice people in washington state.
i think enough has been said here.email me and i will talk to you.you other assholes who want to judge people before you know all the facts can kiss my ass.
sincerly,
jim clark:flipoff2:

what about the tranny you owe?

[jrjeepparts]

this man says he paid me for a transmission over 2 years ago via paypal.first of all i dont use paypal and second thing is i have never agreed to hold a transmission for anyone more than 30 days.i may not be fast at shipping because i am a one man shop.but i ship everything i have been paid for and i warranty everything that i sell.i have 100% positive feedback on ebay.i have been in business for over 30 years.i ship transmissions around the world and i have never had any complaints.

sincerly,
jim clark

[IX DuSt XI]

I live 12 miles from Greenwood Indiana ... want I should stop in and say HI?? It really wouldn't be a problem ... Me and some boys can role up and get what is owed to you!!!! Oh yeah ... we're not all POS thieves!!!

[dunebuggyjohn]

Ordering your Tranny from Indy ... $600
Shipping from Indiana ... $300
Lawyer Fees for the lawsuit ... $2000

Knowing you got hooked by a hoosier .... Priceless.

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

[jrjeepparts]

I live 12 miles from Greenwood Indiana ... want I should stop in and say HI?? It really wouldn't be a problem ... Me and some boys can role up and get what is owed to you!!!! Oh yeah ... we're not all POS thieves!!!

come on by if you want to get your ass kicked.everyone except the man with the complaint has answered my reply.why does not reply and all you smart ass fuckers can mind your own business.

[waynehartwig]

first off i dont use pirate very much so i dont check my email everyday.i only use this email address with pirate and a few other websites.if you email me i will respond to your questions.
i have a business that rebuild manual transmissions for jeeps and other 4x4 trucks.i have shipped transmissions to germany,puerto rico,mexico,australia and most of the states.i have a 100 % positive feedback on my ebay account.so dont bad mouth me or my business.
yes i recieved money from you via credit card for the purchase of a dana 60 rear end.this dana 60 axle was removed from a 1979 chevt 4x4 truck.i know this to be fact because it was removed from the truck at my business location.brian and i purchased the truck for the 454 engine that was in the truck.the guy we bought it from was going to replace the dana 60 axes in the truck front and rear for a set of rockwells.
he had removed the front dana 60 and traded it for a set of rockwells,he found out it was too much for him and his son to build.we purchased the truck without the front axle.
we took the truck to my shop and removed the engine,trans and transfer case.we also removed this dana 60 axle from this 1979 chevy 4x4 truck.
we have no idea what the rearend come out of origionally but it was in this truck.the rearend did have a disc brake conversion mounted on it.it had a detroit locker with i think was 4:88 gears.it also had 30 spline axles in it.
i dont know what brian told you but i do know what i have just stated is the truth about this dana 60 axle.
i dont check this website very much,but today a friend of mine told me some asshole was bad mouthing me on this website.so i just wanted to put my 2 cents worth in on this matter.brian has nothing to do with my business,he is a friend of mine.i said something to him when you emailed me and i thought he was working with you.i dont see him everyday so i dont know what he has done about your complaint.i know that i have not lied to you or anyone else on the matter of this dana 60 rearend.
if you email me i will answer your email.i am sorry that you are not happy with the dana 60 but i dont know what you expect me to do.
now as far as bad mouthing people from indiana you can stick your head up your ass as far as that is concerned.
i am proud to be from indiana .i am an army veteran from the vietnam war time and very proud of my state and country.
the matter here is you are mad about an axle you recieved so dont make it an issue on who is the better person.
i deal with people around the world but i dont say that all people from washington state are assholes.i know some nice people in washington state.
i think enough has been said here.email me and i will talk to you.you other assholes who want to judge people before you know all the facts can kiss my ass.
sincerly,
jim clark:flipoff2:

Back off, I didn't say anything about people in Indiana, that was someone else. My beef is with you and Brian - two people don't make an entire state bad.

I paid you via Paypal, you shipped the axle and when I sent you an email/voicemail, you NEVER responded. I was able to get a hold of Brian, and he basically told me more or less I was fucked and not getting nothing from him. Brian did say he was going to send proof of the pickup, which I have not seen.

Bottom line, this axle was sold as a 'ready to run' axle, and it was no where close to 'ready to run'. It was received as a good rebuild, nothing more. I did not pay $950+shipping for a rebuildable axle......

Oh, and I'm not the asshole, you are - I just called you two out so that others will beware of you guys....

[waynehartwig]

first off i dont use pirate very much so i dont check my email everyday.i only use this email address with pirate and a few other websites.if you email me i will respond to your questions.
i have a business that rebuild manual transmissions for jeeps and other 4x4 trucks.i have shipped transmissions to germany,puerto rico,mexico,australia and most of the states.i have a 100 % positive feedback on my ebay account.so dont bad mouth me or my business.
yes i recieved money from you via credit card for the purchase of a dana 60 rear end.this dana 60 axle was removed from a 1979 chevt 4x4 truck.i know this to be fact because it was removed from the truck at my business location.brian and i purchased the truck for the 454 engine that was in the truck.the guy we bought it from was going to replace the dana 60 axes in the truck front and rear for a set of rockwells.
he had removed the front dana 60 and traded it for a set of rockwells,he found out it was too much for him and his son to build.we purchased the truck without the front axle.
we took the truck to my shop and removed the engine,trans and transfer case.we also removed this dana 60 axle from this 1979 chevy 4x4 truck.
we have no idea what the rearend come out of origionally but it was in this truck.the rearend did have a disc brake conversion mounted on it.it had a detroit locker with i think was 4:88 gears.it also had 30 spline axles in it.
i dont know what brian told you but i do know what i have just stated is the truth about this dana 60 axle.:

Oh, and you and Brian should get together and talk so that your stories will match.... This is completely different than what Brian told me over the phone..... In his 'story', HE sold the front axle AFTER buying the truck.

[Broncosix]

This is amazing. I will admit that I do not check this board very much, but a buddy of mine said that there was a big thread on pirate about me and Jim so I thought I would read it and respond.
1. First of all, I sold a rear Dana 60 rear end. It had disc brakes, a Detroit Locker, 4:88 gears, and 30 spline axles. That is a fact that no one on this board can dispute. Jim received money and this axle was shipped and received by the purchaser.
2. I stated in the messages and on the phone that I did not know what this rear end came out of, that I personally took it out of a 1979 half-ton scottsdale. I also told him that the same half ton scottsdale truck had a front dana 60 in it and a big block 454 engine that we had sold. (how many half ton trucks come with dana 60's and big blocks???) You dont know?? Well I do, NONE!!! So when I told you that I took it out of this 79 truck, I was telling you the truth. I also was telling you the truth when I told you that I did not know what the axle was originally out of. I dont know how to tell that. I also gave you the WMS measurements that you asked me for.
3. Yes the diff cover was removed to drain all the fluid, per the shipping requirements. If there were bolts missing on the diff cover, I will send you all new bolts.
4. As for the pinion seal leaking, I will send you a new pinion seal also.
5. As for slop in the pinion, I will send you a master rebuild kit to address that also.
6. As for missing wheel studs, let me know what size the knurl is and I will send you all new wheel studs.

From what I have read here those are the only issues that I feel that I am responsible for.
I dont know how you feel that you got fucked, when you asked for a Dana 60 rear end with a detroit locker and 4:88 gears and 30 spline axles, with disc brakes and that is exactaly what I sold you.
I will check this thread and will be more than happy to send you the above mentioned items that I feel that I am responsible for. Just send me the address that you want the parts sent to.
I really think that you are just mad at yourself for not asking more questions, maybe asking for some PICTURES, maybe doing a little more research on how many different Dana 60 axles are out there, and just maybe you are a little mad at yourself for paying that much for the axle. Those are all things you need to deal with, I did not make you purchase the axle! I answered every question that you asked me truthfully and I have answered your phone call everytime that you have called. Just like I will still answer it today! I will not refund your money. I will however take care of what you stated was wrong with the axle mechanically that I have listed above. I am sorry that this axle was not cosmetically up to your standards, or painted with a rattle can to make a 100 dollar rearend look like a 800 dollar one.
As for all you other people that put their two cents in, thanks for your comments. I guess you cant read, I sent him exactaly what he paid for. I never read where he accused me of not sending him the product that he paid for?? He is complaining that the pinion seal is leaking, that the pinion is loose, that the wheel studs are not all there, and that the diff bolts are missing. I have addressed all those issues, and that is all I can do.
Broncosix
I see that you have listed my quotes, why dont you list your quotes for everyone to see??? Why dont you let everyone see just what questions you asked me???

[PUjeeper]

I recently purchase a rear FF D60 from Brian that he claimed to be from a 78-79 Scottsdale PU and ready to run. That thread is here (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6568401).

When it arrived, it was not ready to run. The pinion seal had been leaking for some time and the pinion was very loose. There were missing wheel studs. There were only 3 mismatched bolts in the diff cover. There were divots in the housing from cutting brackets off and what was left of a truss that was welded to the tubes and pumpkin as well as link and spring pads. Now, after looking at pics of his CJ, I bet this axle was in it prior to the 14 bolt he has now. It looks to have the same truss and 4 link setup.

At that time, I was like oh well... I'm putting 5.13's, ARB, 35 spline axles and Cadi calipers - I made that decision between the time it shipped and arrived, originally my only complaint about this axle was 30 spline, as I was going to run a Detroit and 4.88's. I guess I just have more work in cleaning up than I had anticipated.

So I ordered up the parts, the parts arrived and I started stripping the axle. First thing I noticed was the wheel bearings I recieved would not work in the hubs of this thing. No prob, Randy's must have sent me the wrong ones, so I emailed my salesman with the Timken part numbers (could not find a seal number).

Then I set off to bore the spindles. That's when I realized I was fucked. First I noticed the outer area of the hubs neck down, they aren't straight like a GM would be. The OD of the spindle is 1.75" - HUH!?!?! I go over and measure another D60 I have sitting here, and it's 2"!!! Ok, I think, WTF!?!?!

Then I get an email back from Randy's stating that the only two D60's that they can find that use those bearings are 53-69 F250 or 56-64 Studebaker PU!! After knowing that, it made sense on the axle lengths - as that was what was in a 69 F250!!! But only 16 spline...Making sense on spindle size now, too....

In the past, I was kind of curious about the wierd axle lengths it had (33.75") and the last year they put a D60 in the rear of a GM (not van) was in 72 (according to my Dana BOM book).

So anyway, I got fucked!! I did not receive a ready to run axle, and it definately was not out of a 78-79 Scottsdale!! I want my $950 back and the $315 I paid for shipping. After finally talking to Brian today (been emailing, pming and no response from him or his friend, Jim Clark (Jim Clark Enterprises) that sent me the axle and the one that took my money).

EDIT: I will be satisfied if you send me a (good, unmolested) empty FF D60 housing and hubs to replace this one.

EDIT: If I don't receive my money back soon, I will contact my credit card company and let them deal with this. My wife is also a federal law enforcement officer, so I'll talk it over with her and see what our options are. Since this is an intrastate transfer, it is a federal issue, not local.

Here are quotes of the information proving what I am stating:


From what I see here, from what I saw in the for sale post by broncosix, and from what I saw myself when I was considering buying the axle you got what you paid for. If you wanted a Currie, Dynatrac, Solid, or other brand new axle you should have paid for one of those. This was a USED axle out of a mud truck, that's what you paid for, that's what you got.

[waynehartwig]

This is amazing. I will admit that I do not check this board very much, but a buddy of mine said that there was a big thread on pirate about me and Jim so I thought I would read it and respond.
1. First of all, I sold a rear Dana 60 rear end. It had disc brakes, a Detroit Locker, 4:88 gears, and 30 spline axles. That is a fact that no one on this board can dispute. Jim received money and this axle was shipped and received by the purchaser.
2. I stated in the messages and on the phone that I did not know what this rear end came out of, that I personally took it out of a 1979 half-ton scottsdale. I also told him that the same half ton scottsdale truck had a front dana 60 in it and a big block 454 engine that we had sold. (how many half ton trucks come with dana 60's and big blocks???) You dont know?? Well I do, NONE!!! So when I told you that I took it out of this 79 truck, I was telling you the truth. I also was telling you the truth when I told you that I did not know what the axle was originally out of. I dont know how to tell that. I also gave you the WMS measurements that you asked me for.
3. Yes the diff cover was removed to drain all the fluid, per the shipping requirements. If there were bolts missing on the diff cover, I will send you all new bolts.
4. As for the pinion seal leaking, I will send you a new pinion seal also.
5. As for slop in the pinion, I will send you a master rebuild kit to address that also.
6. As for missing wheel studs, let me know what size the knurl is and I will send you all new wheel studs.

From what I have read here those are the only issues that I feel that I am responsible for.
I dont know how you feel that you got fucked, when you asked for a Dana 60 rear end with a detroit locker and 4:88 gears and 30 spline axles, with disc brakes and that is exactaly what I sold you.
I will check this thread and will be more than happy to send you the above mentioned items that I feel that I am responsible for. Just send me the address that you want the parts sent to.
I really think that you are just mad at yourself for not asking more questions, maybe asking for some PICTURES, maybe doing a little more research on how many different Dana 60 axles are out there, and just maybe you are a little mad at yourself for paying that much for the axle. Those are all things you need to deal with, I did not make you purchase the axle! I answered every question that you asked me truthfully and I have answered your phone call everytime that you have called. Just like I will still answer it today! I will not refund your money. I will however take care of what you stated was wrong with the axle mechanically that I have listed above. I am sorry that this axle was not cosmetically up to your standards, or painted with a rattle can to make a 100 dollar rearend look like a 800 dollar one.
As for all you other people that put their two cents in, thanks for your comments. I guess you cant read, I sent him exactaly what he paid for. I never read where he accused me of not sending him the product that he paid for?? He is complaining that the pinion seal is leaking, that the pinion is loose, that the wheel studs are not all there, and that the diff bolts are missing. I have addressed all those issues, and that is all I can do.
Broncosix
I see that you have listed my quotes, why dont you list your quotes for everyone to see??? Why dont you let everyone see just what questions you asked me???

That is fine, and would be very welcomed considering you said you woudl do nothing before I posted this thread. So let's see how serious you are! Oh, and you already have my address, you shipped me the axle no? But I'll give it to you again...

Wayne Hartwig
4605 E Bixel CT
Mead, WA 99021

The wheel studs are Dorman part number 610300.

And for the record, no, I'm not mad at myself for spending $950 on a ready to run axle. I'm pissed that I didn't receive what I paid for - which is a ready to run axle!!! All I received was a pile of shit that needs to be rebuilt and cleaned up.

Originally, when I asked what mounts it had, you said leafe spring. You failed to mention (selective memory I guess) that it had link mounts on the axle but someone made a poor attempt at cutting off the truss.

It's people like you that make people second guess sellers on the internet. Ditching questions, or dancing around the answers is deceitful. You knew what you had and you did not sell it as such. Had you been more honest on the peice of shit you were selling, I would not have bought it.

But anyway.... You have my address. Let's see if you make this right.

[waynehartwig]

From what I see here, from what I saw in the for sale post by broncosix, and from what I saw myself when I was considering buying the axle you got what you paid for. If you wanted a Currie, Dynatrac, Solid, or other brand new axle you should have paid for one of those. This was a USED axle out of a mud truck, that's what you paid for, that's what you got.

How insightful, thank you for pointing that out! :flipoff2:

[dahoyle]

I am sorry that this axle was not cosmetically up to your standards, or painted with a rattle can to make a 100 dollar rearend look like a 800 dollar one.




Well, If nothing else, Broncosix admits that it was a total ripoff.
Nothing technically illegal about it, just completely underhanded and low.
The fact of the matter is that he did nothing illegal, but there is absolutely no question of where his ethics lie. He's not quite a thief and a liar, just a scam artist.

As for you being a Vet, Broncosix, Why don't you keep that little fact to yourself so you don't tarnish the rest of us Vets reputations.

[dahoyle]

this man says he paid me for a transmission over 2 years ago via paypal.first of all i dont use paypal

OK, There's this statement.

[dahoyle]

I paid you via Paypal, you shipped the axle and when I sent you an email/voicemail, you NEVER responded.


I just get confused so f'n easy. Do you, or do you not take PayPal,

Someone needs to get their story straight, so us dumb folks don't get all flustered.

[jrjeepparts]

the man paid with a credit card for the dana 60 axle.i could give you the transaction number but they would be disclosing his information.
so why dont you nosey mother fuckers mind your own business.too many people make decisions and open their mouth about something or someone that they know nothing about.this business is between brian and the man that bought the dana 60 axle.broncosix shipped the man just what he paid for.they agreed on a price.i ran the credit card transtraction through my business.i took the axle to the shipping company that he wanted to use.he recieved just what he paid for.yes it was missing some studs for the wheels and the rear cover.i know that broncosix has offered to send him these items or pay for them.
there are just to many assholes on this website that wants to bad mouth someone that they have never done business with or even emailed.kust because a person has a complaint does not always mean that the person he is complaining is a bad person.so before a lot of you people on pirate put your 2 cents worth on this forum make sure you have all the facts not fiction. and i still dont take paypal and that's a fact.

[odin544]

yeah all you nosey fuckers on here shouldnt point out this poor mans lies and scams! bunch of assholes.:laughing::flipoff2:

[doc70sub]

So "ready-to-run" means missing parts?

Did you ask for pictures before dropping the money on the axle?

[waynehartwig]

So "ready-to-run" means missing parts?

Did you ask for pictures before dropping the money on the axle?

No, I didn't see any pictures prior to the fact. When they say they have an axle that is ready to run, I believed them. We've all seen what a D60 looks like.... The only thing the picture would have shown would be the remaining bracketry on the axle anyway.

[waynehartwig]

Just send me the address that you want the parts sent to.

Still waiting on these parts... Going on 3 weeks now... Not that I really expected you to come through... :shaking: :flipoff2:

[waynehartwig]

Keeping this mess at the top.... :flipoff2:

[Vortec_Cruiser]

Still waiting on these parts... Going on 3 weeks now... Not that I really expected you to come through... :shaking: :flipoff2:

I guess this just confirms what you've already said about these two guys! :shaking:

[waynehartwig]

I guess this just confirms what you've already said about these two guys! :shaking:

:mad3:

[1967K10]

:mad3::mad3::mad3: I'm still waiting to hear back from Jrjeepparts about a tranny I bought that had wrong parts.He gave me his address but won't tell me what parts I need and I'm not sending the wrong ones back unless I'm certain I will get the right one back. Someone close needs to pay them a visit. I'm tired of this BS on thier part :mad3::mad3:.

[waynehartwig]

Yeah, and I'm (were) the assholes here.. I don't think so. They are just pissed that I was the first to call them out on an open forum, to which a lot of people in the areas they do business frequent. F them. :flipoff2:

[waynehartwig]

Just keeping this f'ed up shit on top! :flipoff2:

[redbullTJ]

As for the pinion seal leaking, I will send you a new pinion seal also. As for slop in the pinion, I will send you a master rebuild kit to address that also. As for missing wheel studs, let me know what size the knurl is and I will send you all new wheel studs. SNIP....

Well, did the parts get sent out Broncosix??

[waynehartwig]

Well, did the parts get sent out Broncosix??

He's making some effort.. I have received a Genuine Gear master install kit and 10 wheel studs. I have yet to see the other 6 studs (8 lug axle, 2 sides, my math says 16 not 10?) and the diff cover bolts. The MIK I received about 2 weeks ago. The wheel studs just came Friday, a few days ago.

I don't know who Paul Crabtree is (Brian Crabtree is Broncosix), but he is the one that paid for the wheel studs. The company that he used, bless their heart, included his name, address, phone number AND complete credit card information including the expiration date on the invoice!!! As if it could get worse, they KNEW this was a drop ship order, and still included it on the invoice. I don't know about you, but that would REALLY piss me off and I would be looking into legal action if they did that shit to me. It's a company by the name of Foreign Car Parts, INC in Rolling Meadows, IL. ..I'd be real weiry of doing business with them, if any of you are...

[tennis203]

5/17/07 you said yes. i'd take the parts. have you received them yet wayne or did he send them via turtle shipping company?

[waynehartwig]

5/17/07 you said yes. i'd take the parts. have you received them yet wayne or did he send them via turtle shipping company?

As stated in my last post, which you and I probably posted at the same time, I have received some of the items but not all.

[1967K10]

At least you guys are getting somewhere.

[waynehartwig]

At least you guys are getting somewhere.

I guess it's gettig there. AT this rate it might be resolved this time next year.

[Broncosix]

I recently purchase a rear FF D60 from Brian that he claimed to be from a 78-79 Scottsdale PU and ready to run. That thread is here.

When it arrived, it was not ready to run. The pinion seal had been leaking for some time and the pinion was very loose. There were missing wheel studs.

Wayne,
I have sent you everything that I have felt responsible for. The leaking pinion seal was replaced with a "Master Install Kit" way above and beyond addressing a "leaking pinion seal" I also sent you 10 brand new not used wheel studs to address 5 missing wheel studs. Double what was missing.
I am not going to send you 4 diff cover bolts which would cost more to ship to you than is worth my time. If you cant go to the local Tractor supply and purchase 4 bolts which might total $1.00 then you have bigger problems that the 4 mismatched diff cover bolts my friend! And as a business ower Wayne, you surely have enough sense to not even think about disclosing one single item of my personal information that was sent to you in error by the vendor of the wheel studs. Now, if you are through crying in your beer and looking for pitty from a buch of people who have absolutely nothing better to do than chime in. I have went above and beyond my responsibilities to you as a seller on this issue. Git rid of this Shit now! There is nothing left for you to waste peoples time on.
FO:flipoff2:

[1967K10]

Bronkosix: How about you get Jim to straighten things out while we're on topic. He owes me some info if nothing else and 1-2hr of labor for fixing his mistake on a $1600 nv4500 that I bought and he needs to settle things with the other guy who never got his tranny.

Speaking of good business ethics I have been around here longer than either of ya and I make things right with the buyer.Both Wayne and I have Vendor Stars,we have to keep things right to maintain a good business. That is how you get repeat customers. Satisfaction keeps stuff like this off here.

[Broncosix]

I will talk with Jim and ask him to check this board and call you. I am not tied to his transactions in regards to the transmissions whatsoever. If you need any information please feel free to pm me and i will answer any questions that you have. I know that he does not get on here very often.
The only thing that I dont agree with on this thread is that I was called a bad seller. How is that when i sold someone exactaly what I advertised, I shipped it on time, I even sent him replacement parts which cost me money out of my pocket. See the thing is, that Wayne's opinion of a ready to run axle may be totally diffrent than that of Bob who is putting it in a trail truck which he may only have 500 bucks in. Regardless of what type of vehicle the axle is going in, it still was a dana 60, it still had the correct gears, locker, disc brakes, etc. So how am I a bad seller? I did not lie, cheat him, or steal from him. I simply sold him what he ask for. But most of all, I did not force him to buy my axle!

[waynehartwig]

I recently purchase a rear FF D60 from Brian that he claimed to be from a 78-79 Scottsdale PU and ready to run. That thread is here.

When it arrived, it was not ready to run. The pinion seal had been leaking for some time and the pinion was very loose. There were missing wheel studs.

Wayne,
I have sent you everything that I have felt responsible for. The leaking pinion seal was replaced with a "Master Install Kit" way above and beyond addressing a "leaking pinion seal" I also sent you 10 brand new not used wheel studs to address 5 missing wheel studs. Double what was missing.
I am not going to send you 4 diff cover bolts which would cost more to ship to you than is worth my time. If you cant go to the local Tractor supply and purchase 4 bolts which might total $1.00 then you have bigger problems that the 4 mismatched diff cover bolts my friend! And as a business ower Wayne, you surely have enough sense to not even think about disclosing one single item of my personal information that was sent to you in error by the vendor of the wheel studs. Now, if you are through crying in your beer and looking for pitty from a buch of people who have absolutely nothing better to do than chime in. I have went above and beyond my responsibilities to you as a seller on this issue. Git rid of this Shit now! There is nothing left for you to waste peoples time on.
FO:flipoff2:

First off, if you are looking to make this right, you are still way off.

I never asked for a master install kit, so you fucked yourself right there. You should have only sent a pinion kit. :shaking:

I never said I only needed 5 wheel studs, so by sending only 10 when it requires 16, you fucked yourself again. There were only 4 studs left, and they were only there because they had nuts holding them on. They were so loose they fell out of the hub during shipping as well.

The diff cover only had 3 bolts in it. Go back and read my original post.

The "$1" that I would spend buying new bolts is not the issue here. The issue here is that you sold a ready to run axle, and in no way could I put this in another rig and run it the way it was delivered. Bottom line you are nickle and diming yourself to try to get out of this as cheaply as you possibly can without making it right. In fact, I have tons of used ones laying around from other D60 builds.

The thread stays and I will be sure to log on and keep it alive every few weeks - probably indefinately. Just so that other people know what kind of person you are.

I recently bought another D60 rear from someone on here that was completely stripped. On the pallet was a box that contained all of the little parts - bearings, hubs, nuts, diff cover, bolts, etc. He even told me that he had parts scattered all over the place since tearing it apart a year or so prior, and even moved since. But the funny thing is he went out of his way to completely gather all of the parts and ship them with the axle. Here it is 4 months later, and you can't even ship $1 worth of bolts. :flipoff2:

And as far as your CC info, don't worry.. I won't do anything with it. I am above that. I'm not the one with ethics issues, it's you. I was merely calling out the company on it. To my knowledge it's illegal to print the full CC# on any receipt, let alone your full name, phone number and expiration date.

Oh, and this is not a pitty party, my friend. This is a thread to let people that might potentially come into contact with you and Jim Clark know what kind of people they are dealing with before entering into any dealings with you two.

[waynehartwig]

Just an update here...

I just opened the box that supposedely contained the master install kit, and that was not what was in the box. I found a Genuine Gear 25-2034 in there. This box contains: diff cover gasket, ring gear bolts, carrier shims, D60 front axle seals, and gear marking compound.

There is nothing in that box that will fix a leaky and loose pinion seal.:shaking:

[Broncosix]

Wow, you truely are a bonified idiot! Are you really that stupid? You just told everyone that you received a Genuine Gear installation kit # 25-2034 from me and it was no good to you to fix a leaky pinion seal. Here is the description right off of the four wheel parts website, which by the way is where the kit came from that your dumbass claims wont help you fix your leaking pinion seal.

Minor Installation Kit
Part Number: G/G25-2034
Dana 60 Ring And Pinion Minor Installation Kit; Pinion Seal; Cover Gasket; Ring Gear Bolts; Complete Shim Kit; Gear Marking Compound Free Shipping on Drivetrain for a Limited Time
$33.99
Qty:

Do you need for me to take a picture of a pinion seal so that you will be able to identify it in the kit? And just for your information the pinion seal is the same for a front Dana 60 and a rear Dana 60 Einstein!! This kit does not include a crush sleeve and bearings. You can pull those out of your ass, because i dont think you would know the difference. Go cry somewhere else!
:flipoff2:

[waynehartwig]

I just took a picture of the two seals that were included in the kit, dipshit. I also took a picture of a pinion seal and crush sleave I had laying around, so you know what they look like as well. You will find the pinion seal in the middle, and the crush sleave above it.

Just to break it down to you, pinion seals do not have a flange on the seal! Axle seals do so that when you slide the axle in, it doesn't destroy the seal.


Now who's the dumbass...? :shaking: :flipoff2:

[Broncosix]

Call 4Wheel Parts and bother them! I am done with you! What did you do with the pinion seal that came in the kit? Did your dog eat it???
Really Wayne, are you even reading the stuff you are writing here? I think that everyone has come to the conclusion that there is no satisfying you. I sent you the correct parts, I cant control what 4wheel parts sends you. Even the part number is correct. Go to www.4wheelparts and look it up your self. The picture that I looked at and the kit description show a pinion seal.
Perhaps a new hobby is in order for you??

Have a good day!

[waynehartwig]

I'm not going to call anyone. This is your F up, not mine. You are their customer, not me.

If you aren't goign to make this right... You and Jim did tell me in the beginning that you weren't going to do anything to make it right, that I got what I paid for. I guess you have exceeded YOUR expecatations!

I'm done fighting with you. Was done back in May. Your like an old, bitchy ex girlfriend that keeps calling ever so often when their self esteem is down really low and looking for some type of pickup.

Oh, and pick a new line of work? I don't think so. Anyone that knows me, knows that I give first class service. Well over 95% of my business is refferal or repeat. I bet neither of you can say that.

[WJZUK]

Yep Wayne is a great seller. I would buy from him again

[Broncosix]

What the hell are you talking about? What does Wayne's being a good seller have to do with shit!
You guys need to get a life!

NO ONE CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WJZUK]

What the hell are you talking about? What does Wayne's being a good seller have to do with shit!
You guys need to get a life!

NO ONE CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It has to do with the fact that I have purchased stuff from wayne without any probelms and that he is a respectable business owner and wheeler. I wish I could say the same for you, as my impression of your character is pretty shitty. But since you can't even accept another guys opinon on waynes honesty and knowledge without freakin out, maybe you should not even reply if you want this thread to die:flipoff2:

[waynehartwig]

Still not resolved :flipoff2:

[waynehartwig]

Still not resolved :flipoff2:

[waynehartwig]

Still not resolved :flipoff2:

[Exalted 4x4]

I care! waynes a good guy.:D

What the hell are you talking about? What does Wayne's being a good seller have to do with shit!
You guys need to get a life!

NO ONE CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rastus #3]

I know where not to buy parts, Thanks Wayne. BUMP!

[carnuck]

Sounds to me like 4 wheel did the usual misbox on the made in China parts

[truckdriva]

i know i'm new here, but, wayne says he got a d-60 with 16 spline axles, and broncosix repeatedly states he got sent exactly what was described, a d-60 with 4.88 gears, a detroit, and 30 spline axles. if in fact it had 16 spline axles, broncosix misrepresented what he was selling.

[MRJ]

Did anyone else notice the discrepency from pst 78 to post 83?

Post 78: I have sent you everything that I have felt responsible for. The leaking pinion seal was replaced with a "Master Install Kit" way above and beyond addressing a "leaking pinion seal"

Post 83: Minor Installation Kit
Part Number: G/G25-2034
Dana 60 Ring And Pinion Minor Installation Kit; Pinion Seal; Cover Gasket; Ring Gear Bolts; Complete Shim Kit; Gear Marking Compound Free Shipping on Drivetrain for a Limited Time
$33.99


That is class-cl.

[waynehartwig]

i know i'm new here, but, wayne says he got a d-60 with 16 spline axles, and broncosix repeatedly states he got sent exactly what was described, a d-60 with 4.88 gears, a detroit, and 30 spline axles. if in fact it had 16 spline axles, broncosix misrepresented what he was selling.

I don't think I ever mentioned anything about 16 spline axles. This is old and I don't recall. The axle does have 30 spline shafts in it as he said it did.

My entire bitch about the whole thing is:
He said this axle came from something it did not.
He said it was a 'ready to run axle' and it is not.

The rest of my bitches I guess I can chaulk up to careless shopping and not waiting for pictures. Bottom line it was misrepresented by both of these clowns. I believe they knew what it was and where it came from, but that's also personal opinion...

[waynehartwig]

Did anyone else notice the discrepency from pst 78 to post 83?

Post 78: I have sent you everything that I have felt responsible for. The leaking pinion seal was replaced with a "Master Install Kit" way above and beyond addressing a "leaking pinion seal"

Post 83: Minor Installation Kit
Part Number: G/G25-2034
Dana 60 Ring And Pinion Minor Installation Kit; Pinion Seal; Cover Gasket; Ring Gear Bolts; Complete Shim Kit; Gear Marking Compound Free Shipping on Drivetrain for a Limited Time
$33.99


That is class-cl.

In all fairness, I believe I was the first one to mention the master install kit, as that is what it said on the invoice and it was a few weeks later when I actually opened the box to see what was inside.

At that time I asked for this thread to be reopened because the kit didn't actually include a pinion seal or crush sleeve. Regardless if he tried to make good on this, 4wp screwed him and it's his responsibility to get with his 4wp salesman, send a call tag and deliver the correct item. Not mine to try to get them to fix something I didn't order.

[truckdriva]

"Then I get an email back from Randy's stating that the only two D60's that they can find that use those bearings are 53-69 F250 or 56-64 Studebaker PU!! After knowing that, it made sense on the axle lengths - as that was what was in a 69 F250!!! But only 16 spline...Making sense on spindle size now, too...."


that was your first post. how would you mistake 30 spline shafts for 16 spline?

[waynehartwig]

"Then I get an email back from Randy's stating that the only two D60's that they can find that use those bearings are 53-69 F250 or 56-64 Studebaker PU!! After knowing that, it made sense on the axle lengths - as that was what was in a 69 F250!!! But only 16 spline...Making sense on spindle size now, too...."


that was your first post. how would you mistake 30 spline shafts for 16 spline?

"Then I get an email back from Randy's stating that the only two D60's that they can find that use those bearings are 53-69 F250 or 56-64 Studebaker PU!! After knowing that, it made sense on the axle lengths - as that was what was in a 69 F250!!! But only 16 spline...Making sense on spindle size now, too...."


that was your first post. how would you mistake 30 spline shafts for 16 spline?

The axle originally came with 16 spline axles and was upgraded to 30 from someone. If you read what I said, it says that it made sense on the OD of the spindles. I've never claimed this axle had 16 spline shafts in it, so I never had it confused.... Read everything that I said, because I believe you are the one confused.

[INWAdventures]

That be some funny readin' there Wayne!!!

:smokin:

[Cionaodh]

this man says he paid me for a transmission over 2 years ago via paypal.first of all i dont use paypal and second thing is i have never agreed to hold a transmission for anyone more than 30 days.i may not be fast at shipping because i am a one man shop.but i ship everything i have been paid for and i warranty everything that i sell.i have 100% positive feedback on ebay.i have been in business for over 30 years.i ship transmissions around the world and i have never had any complaints.

sincerly,
jim clark

Sorry I didn't learn about this thread before today.

Mr. Jim Clark--you owe me for that NV4500 transmission. I paid for it through PayPal and you accepted the money, so don't say you don't use PayPal. I notified you in July 2006 I was ready for the transmission and you said you would ship it and never did.

The PayPal transaction numbers don't lie. You received my money into your account with the email address through which you are registered to PayPal. You owe me for a NV4500 transmission and Advance Adapters bellhousing kit for a AMC 401 V8.

Kenneth Smith
Monroe, Louisiana

[Hanr3]

Is this another case of, oh what the hell was his name?
The thread got deleted because the cops stepped in to prosecute. He lived in Chillicothe, IL and was selling Dana 44 as Dana 60's.

What the hell was his name?

[waynehartwig]

Is this another case of, oh what the hell was his name?
The thread got deleted because the cops stepped in to prosecute. He lived in Chillicothe, IL and was selling Dana 44 as Dana 60's.

What the hell was his name?

lol I know who you are talking about, and no. I received a D60 and he was selling a D60. It's all really about him selling a ready to run axle and me receiving one that needs to be rebuilt before it can be run.

[Cionaodh]

this man says he paid me for a transmission over 2 years ago via paypal.first of all i dont use paypal and second thing is i have never agreed to hold a transmission for anyone more than 30 days.i may not be fast at shipping because i am a one man shop.but i ship everything i have been paid for and i warranty everything that i sell.i have 100% positive feedback on ebay.i have been in business for over 30 years.i ship transmissions around the world and i have never had any complaints.

sincerly,
jim clarkSorry I didn't learn about this thread before today.

Mr. Jim Clark--you owe me for that NV4500 transmission. I paid for it through PayPal and you accepted the money, so don't say you don't use PayPal. I notified you in July 2006 I was ready for the transmission and you said you would ship it and never did.

The PayPal transaction numbers don't lie. You received my money into your account with the email address through which you are registered to PayPal. You owe me for a NV4500 transmission and Advance Adapters bellhousing kit for a AMC 401 V8.

Kenneth Smith
Monroe, Louisiana

You're getting a complaint now--you say you have no record of selling me a transmission, but I have the PayPal transaction numbers where you received MY Money into your account. You had to physically do that--it wasn't automatic. I will post the transaction numbers here later today.

Kenneth Smith
Monroe Louisiana

[Broncosix]

This shit does not have anything to do with me. I sent all the parts to Wayne to address his concerns. I am done with this. If you guys have a problem with Jim then start a new thread.
Obviously the moderator on here does not read this shit, because if he did this thread would have been dead a long time ago.
I am not associated with or have ever had anything to do with transmissions or t-cases.

Thanks:flipoff2:

[Cionaodh]

Acknowledged. I contributed to another thread started about JrJeepParts and Jim Clark. Jim Clark replied within this thread in response to something someone posted about his business so I posted here hoping he would reply. No harm intended.

Kenneth Smith
Monroe, Louisiana

[1967K10]

He won't reply :mad3:. He does use Paypal or did.He sold me a tranny and adapter and after paying for it I waited patiently for 3 weeks :mad3:. He stated tranny was ready to ship. A couple days after I paid he contacted me saying he was still waiting for parts :shaking:. After 3weeks of that crap I got Paypal on him and his account got revoked and he did ship me the tranny.It was supposed to come to my house and it ended up at Forward Air 330mi away :mad3::mad3:. It was not right though 3-4th syncro was in wrong and it was really loose. He would not pay to have it fixed or have it shipped back to him for corrections.

Acknowledged. I contributed to another thread started about JrJeepParts and Jim Clark. Jim Clark replied within this thread in response to something someone posted about his business so I posted here hoping he would reply. No harm intended.

Kenneth Smith
Monroe, Louisiana

[waynehartwig]

UPDATE:
Tore into this POS D60 to put in a customers rig, and found more wrong... First, the diff pumpkin was cracked clear through. Rather than fixing it, it had a bunch of crap welded on the top of it. Or maybe welding the bunch of crap it caused the cast steel to crack? Was it a cover up or a screw up???

Also, it is bent to hell. Both tubes were bent forward nearly 1". So if you are standing to the side of it looking across the back, it's bowed in.

I absolutely couldn't give this to my customer/friend to run in his rig.

What did I use out of it? Detroit, Spicer 4.88's, rotors, spring pads and shafts. The calipers and caliper mounts were probably ok, but I put some 3/4 ton stuff on the axle instead of these GM car calipers....

So, did I get fawked? Yup... Was this a 'ready to run axle' not even close.:flipoff2: