Who has done a linked rear on there XJ? If it is well designed and performs well post up the specs and maybe some pics. This sure would be nice for us not so savvy fabricators that get blurred vision looking at the link calculator.
How long are the links? What springs (if not using coilovers or air shox)
Thanks in advance

So, basically, you want the hard work that others have done of calculating link length, link position, spring rates, spring position, etc. handed to you on a silver platter? :rolleyes:

Every rig is going to be different based on rear axle, weight of the rear of the vehicle, and c.o.g.

Do your part by doing your homework, and then ask educated questions after you've searched.

How much body will you have in the rear?

So, basically, you want the hard work that others have done of calculating link length, link position, spring rates, spring position, etc. handed to you on a silver platter? :rolleyes:

Every rig is going to be different based on rear axle, weight of the rear of the vehicle, and c.o.g.

Do your part by doing your homework, and then ask educated questions after you've searched.


No I do not want anything on a silver platter, just do not want to do it twice.
If I remember correctly the reason the forum is here is to help each other out.
It is a cherokee with exo cage and ford 9 rear dana 44 front. If someone has done a rear link setup with a similar rig why not share it??? I know I would.
I know there may be small differences in each XJ but a good starting point would be nice.

How much body will you have in the rear?

May take the back half off, it is beat something silly but does have an exo cage. I have wheeled the rig for 6 years (twice a month) and want to maybe push the rear out a few inches and already have a fuel cell. There is no glass in the rig. Rear axle is a ford 9".

Thanks in advance.

Clayton offroad would be a place to start.

Well, the one I just did won't apply, since mine doesn't have a body. The challenge on the XJ is to get the arms long and flat enough for good geometry. To do that you pretty much have to go through the floor under the back seat for some upper link mounts. vetteboy79 posted a few pics of how he did it. AZRick has a thread or two about his on NAXJA. FlexyXJ had the Rock Krawler XJ rear link suspension kit that comes with coilovers for a full bodied rig, and it was pretty good, and it worked well on the trail. They had a good way of mounting the coilovers without having to come through the floor, mounted the top under the floor next to the frame and the bottom to a bracket behind the axle....it worked. Here's the only pic I have of the C/O on Joe's rig with the RK kit:

http://fototime.com/229D231EBA8DE6D/standard.jpg


Now, if you're going to go ahead and cut the back off, you can do something like this: :D

http://fototime.com/60A094C49DDA40E/standard.jpg
http://fototime.com/A3D5CBA11025525/standard.jpg
http://fototime.com/0D62EF834A114B0/standard.jpg

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Now, if you're going to go ahead and cut the back off, you can do something like this: :D

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Why would anyone want to ever do something like that?

:flipoff2:

--ron

Big props Goatman. I appreciate the info.

Here is a thread to mine I just got done building. Rear just gets stupid!! Hope it helps..not something u see everyday.
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=910198

You are fuckin worthless you will never be able to do this where it will hold up:flipoff2: ! Haha man bout time you change shit up!:D

I also chose to back half mine when doing the rear 4link. double triangulated 4link. 3inX16in Hydraulic rams. I have a build up thread with pics, dimensions an 4link modeled.

http://www.wheelingarizona.com/forums/files/thumbs/t_rear_pannels_160.jpg

and no I dont know how much lift the white one has..:flipoff2:

Clayton offroad would be a place to start.

X2

here is the thread I made for the XJ build me and my dad did.....
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=412705
he loves it...other then the D44 witch since then has now been changed to a D60....I tried to tell him he needed a 60 if he was running 39.5 iroks but he had to find out for him self:laughing::cool2:

You are fuckin worthless you will never be able to do this where it will hold up:flipoff2: ! Haha man bout time you change shit up!:D

Ride a dick frat boy:flipoff2:

X2
Claytons stuff is nice but I am more about built not bought, I have all the tools and no money so if I do not build it I will not own it:D

No I do not want anything on a silver platter, just do not want to do it twice.
If I remember correctly the reason the forum is here is to help each other out.
It is a cherokee with exo cage and ford 9 rear dana 44 front. If someone has done a rear link setup with a similar rig why not share it??? I know I would.
I know there may be small differences in each XJ but a good starting point would be nice.

Silly... everyone must re-invent the wheel (or 4wheel), learn from costly mistakes, and struggle through a ludicrous rite of passage. Not until you have persevered sufficiently in the dark, until the time comes to pass when you need help from no one, only then are you allowed access to the sacred knowledge, of course then you don't need it anymore. Makes perfect sense right? It's the hard core way!
Honestly I have never understood why some people are indignant when asked to share their knowledge and experience. I see the same attitude often in the IT world and will never understand it.
At least there are helpful folks here like Goatman, Ashman, etc.
Good luck.

clean up

Silly... everyone must re-invent the wheel (or 4wheel), learn from costly mistakes, and struggle through a ludicrous rite of passage. Not until you have persevered sufficiently in the dark, until the time comes to pass when you need help from no one, only then are you allowed access to the sacred knowledge, of course then you don't need it anymore. Makes perfect sense right? It's the hard core way!
Honestly I have never understood why some people are indignant when asked to share their knowledge and experience. I see the same attitude often in the IT world and will never understand it.
At least there are helpful folks here like Goatman, Ashman, etc.
Good luck.

Amen brother.
It is a "I am a pirate4x4 bad ass thing"
I have learned that most of the people on this forum that bitch when someone asks a question are the mall crawlers, part timers who do not really even know the answer themselves. If I know it I will share it, hands down. Its all about wheeling, not whining and chest poking.

Amen brother.
It is a "I am a pirate4x4 bad ass thing"
I have learned that most of the people on this forum that bitch when someone asks a question are the mall crawlers, part timers who do not really even know the answer themselves. If I know it I will share it, hands down. Its all about wheeling, not whining and chest poking.

I've been a high-end custom woodworker for 9 years. I started at the lowest position at the shop knowing nothing (and a college degree in a totally different field...), and am now working with some of the most talented guys in the country at a top position. I learned what I did by observation, trial and error, being humble, and asking appropriate questions at the right time. I NEVER approached any of the experienced old timers and asked them to tell me their trade secrets or tips to make my life easier. They came along side me after watching me attempt something on my own and offered assistance and guidance because they new they weren't wasting their time.

I built my rig the same way. Research, trial and error, seat time, observing different configurations and how they performed, and humbly rubbing shoulders with people who knew more than me and asking appropriate questions at the right time.

My initial response to your questions was not to put off a snobby attitude, but to get you to put forth some effort (or see what effort you have made up to that point) to see if you were worth other people's time.

I really hope this project works out very well for you and that you are able to learn a ton and be able to pass this on to others. Good on you for wanting to even undertake such a tough project.

Have you been able to make any progress in the past month?

http://www.phatserver.net/~chris/XJbuild/051307/DSC01777.JPG

http://www.phatserver.net/~chris/XJbuild/051307/DSC01774.JPG

http://www.phatserver.net/~chris/XJbuild/051307/DSC01766.JPG

http://www.phatserver.net/~chris/XJbuild/051307/DSC01761.JPG

http://www.phatserver.net/~chris/XJbuild/051307/DSC01771.JPG

http://www.phatserver.net/~chris/XJbuild/081706/sub4.JPG

http://www.phatserver.net/~chris/XJbuild/120306/brace2.JPG

http://www.phatserver.net/~chris/XJbuild/4link.JPG

Rusty's 4.5" springs up front with 1.5" coil spacers, stock ZJ rear springs in the back. About 7.5" lift total.

I'm happy.

More of a "full view"

http://www.phatserver.net/~chris/XJbuild/oops/DSC01797.JPG

:emb:

Unless I'm missing something in that picture, I'd say you missed the part about metacentric heights and roll centers.

:D

--ron

I guess you could say I was trying to find the angle of loll?

Unfortunately by the time that picture was taken, the moving obstacle had driven away already.

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Unfortunately by the time that picture was taken, the moving obstacle had driven away already.

I hate it when that happens.

:D

--ron

I don't know that I'd post a pic of my rig rolled on flat gound................. :homer:


:flipoff2:

I looked at claytons stuff on their web site, and to tell you the truth Vetteboy's looks a lot better. :)

Would love to see how you did your rear upper coil spring buckets.

Would love to see how you did your rear upper coil spring buckets.

Really wasn't a whole lot of "doing" involved...

http://www.phatserver.net/~chris/XJbuild/031107/DSC01584.JPG

Just a piece of tube that the spring sits around, with a bumpstop on the end of it.

Cool thanks! :)
Your modest, and very talented.
Claytons made it look like they cut part of the subframe out to mount their buckets.
I also saw some for a YJ leaf to coil converstion that were pretty inexpensive.

Claytons made it look like they cut part of the subframe out to mount their buckets.

The problem with doing it the way I did is there's not a whole lot of room there. You wind up having to run some pretty short springs. Those are stock ZJ rear springs and it ends up being around 8" of lift. They might notch the frame out to let you run a little less lift.

vetteboy:
any idea how much space between the tube and the frame there?
I'm just wondering if the Mj has more room there, so I could possibly use those same springs and not have 8".