I just bought a 2001 Cherokee. I want to get a Safari rack.
I have been looking at Surco and Con-ferr racks. Is a Con-ferr worth the extra $100 or should i just go with the Surco. I am a cheap (but not cheap enough to build my own, would rather spend my time building skid plates, rock sliders and bumpers.) Would like to hear your experiences and opinions on either rack.

Oh and by the way I already did a search

I've been lurking on this board for months, an one thing I learned is that if you ask a question like that you better duck for cover.

Seriously, check out www.NAXJA.org It is a great site for Cherokee (and Commanche) owners that is full of very knowledgeable people. And they won't bite your head off. Someone on NAXJA actually just did a very complete review of all the Safari racks, do a search over there.

Originally posted by 79FoMoCoF250
I just bought a 2001 Cherokee. I want to get a Safari rack.
I have been looking at Surco and Con-ferr racks. Is a Con-ferr worth the extra $100 or should i just go with the Surco. I am a cheap (but not cheap enough to build my own, would rather spend my time building skid plates, rock sliders and bumpers.) Would like to hear your experiences and opinions on either rack.

Oh and by the way I already did a search

Oh sh!t it's our Thursday entertainment:eek:

You don't come to the most dedicated hard core rock crawling website on the net and ask "which pre-fabbed roof rack will be the coolest for my 2001 mall crawler?". You just don't. Got dayum you're dumb. Better put your fire suit on there.

On a serious not I like whichever rack you can fit the most KC lights on. That way you can light up the parking lot and look for your boyfriend when he's playing hide and seek with you.

:flipoff2:

Oh that was good Big dude, oh stop hurting my feelins, you told this Newbie how it is. :rolleyes: You think that you impressed your friends? lol
You're so right how many KC's can you fit, I figure I could mount 45 maybe even 50 lights, oh what about one of those hi lift jack thingies? that would look cool, think I could get it in chrome?

You know you are right if I had no life I probably would have all the time in the world to fabricate everything.

No hard feelings big dude, I am sure i burned you as well as you burned me:p

So anyone have anything constructive to say?

Originally posted by 79FoMoCoF250
Oh that was good Big dude, oh stop hurting my feelins, you told this Newbie how it is. :rolleyes: You think that you impressed your friends? lol
You're so right how many KC's can you fit, I figure I could mount 45 maybe even 50 lights, oh what about one of those hi lift jack thingies? that would look cool, think I could get it in chrome?

You know you are right if I had no life I probably would have all the time in the world to fabricate everything.

No hard feelings big dude, I am sure i burned you as well as you burned me:p

So anyone have anything constructive to say?

Wrong answer. :flipoff2:

I work full time and still find plenty of time to fabricate pretty much anything I need, just like most of the other members on this board.

Anyways, it really is a dumb question. Save yourself the $100 and get the damn surco since you were so concerned about it in the first place.

You don't need to get defensive. I thought that you could take it as well as dish it. oh i am sorry you misunderstood me. i never said that you were unemployed crack smoker?. Don't get me wrong. Can we still be friends?:flipoff2:
And your right I should just go to the mall and steal two shopping carts and weld them to my roof and call it a fabricated roof rack. Thanks for straighten me out. Oh one more question big dude you fabricate your shocks or do you buy them? So kiss my arse.

Has anyone used a Kargo Master safari rack?

Disclaimer: Sorry if I have ruffed any feathers. It is all in good fun right?

Originally posted by 79FoMoCoF250
You think that you impressed your friends? lol

You know you are right if I had no life I probably would have all the time in the world to fabricate everything.

No hard feelings big dude, I am sure i burned you as well as you burned me:p


I wasn't trying to impress anyone. I was merely trying to make the point that you asked a stupid question and this is the wrong website for your idea of *tech*. The reply was for you and that's why I quoted you at the beginning of it (just like now:flipoff2: )

I also work full time, stay in shape, compete, work on other peoples rigs, fab what I need, etc. So I guess that means I have no life :rolleyes: Good one. Walk onto this site and talk down to those who fabricate, :eek:, have a nice day, dumbass.

How did you burn me again:confused: Stupid newbies:flipoff2:

try www.jeepsunlimited.com I think you will fit in better there:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Weezer
try www.jeepsunlimited.com I think you will fit in better there:flipoff2:

Good call, forgot to mention that earlier:beer:

Great another one:rolleyes:

Originally posted by 79FoMoCoF250
oh what about one of those hi lift jack thingies? that would look cool, think I could get it in chrome?



Thingies? I always thought they were more than just hood decorations.

Originally posted by 79FoMoCoF250

And your right I should just go to the mall and steal two shopping carts and weld them to my roof and call it a fabricated roof rack.

If that's your style, then yeah, go for it.

Originally posted by 79FoMoCoF250
Can we still be friends?

No. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by 79FoMoCoF250
Oh one more question big dude you fabricate your shocks or do you buy them?

Maybe he did. How do you know he isn't a professional hydrolics engineer?

Originally posted by 79FoMoCoF250

Disclaimer: Sorry if I have ruffed any feathers. It is all in good fun right?

Right back at ya! :p

I guess the general consensus is that any question about a bolt-on part is a stupid question. Sorry for polluting the forum. I hope you have the heart to forgive me for my ignorant question.
I really just want to be a Granite Guru:cool: I guess I should have spent my last nine months shooting my mouth off instead of listening(reading), maybe I would be a Wheeler by now:rolleyes:
How many more times do i have to shoot off my mouth before I become a Wheeler? Is the magic number 100?
Well till then I guess I will keep asking my dumbass Newbie questions and maybe someday they will become stupid Wheeler questions and then maybe when all of the planets align I will be an enlightened Granite Guru. Oh that day will be pure glory:)


Oh I guess this is the wrong time to ask if there is a market for Beer can shifter nobs? Why not bring the two most natural things together. (a shifter and a beer can) You think that $20 is too much to ask. Maybe I would expand in Pint bottles and beer bottles.:smokin:
Oops Damn I asked another dumbass Newbie question, Maybe someday I will learn

Dude, you just sound retarded.

If you havn't figured it out yet, every reply you make, just makes you look worse.

Originally posted by IndianaBlake
Dude, you just sound retarded.

If you havn't figured it out yet, every reply you make, just makes you look worse.

Man, you aren't learing very quickly , are you? Shit man, it's ok to be a newbie but wise up a bit. JU is closed for the weekend, but go to the Cherokee board on Monday and look up a thread that was posted less than 20 days ago by AthlonXJ ( I think ). He fabbed up a nice rack and will make one for ya' for about $250.00.

Originally posted by 79FoMoCoF250
I guess the general consensus is that any question about a bolt-on part is a stupid question. Sorry for polluting the forum. I hope you have the heart to forgive me for my ignorant question.
I really just want to be a Granite Guru:cool: I guess I should have spent my last nine months shooting my mouth off instead of listening(reading), maybe I would be a Wheeler by now:rolleyes:
How many more times do i have to shoot off my mouth before I become a Wheeler? Is the magic number 100?
Well till then I guess I will keep asking my dumbass Newbie questions and maybe someday they will become stupid Wheeler questions and then maybe when all of the planets align I will be an enlightened Granite Guru. Oh that day will be pure glory:)


Oh I guess this is the wrong time to ask if there is a market for Beer can shifter nobs? Why not bring the two most natural things together. (a shifter and a beer can) You think that $20 is too much to ask. Maybe I would expand in Pint bottles and beer bottles.:smokin:
Oops Damn I asked another dumbass Newbie question, Maybe someday I will learn

You should have gone here first.
Jeep Talk Mission Statement (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1456)

Being a newbie isn't about the title under your name, it is all about your attitude and your knowledge.

Originally posted by Herzog


You should have gone here first.
Jeep Talk Mission Statement (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1456)

Being a newbie isn't about the title under your name, it is all about your attitude and your knowledge.

Been there done that along time ago, maybe i should go read it again. I need a good laugh.

It may be about your attitude but it isn't about knowledge.
It is about how many times you post. If it was about knowledge then there should a test you could take to see your ranking. I am not new to the sport just to the board. Use your mind before your mouth.

Damn you now i am all worked up:rolleyes:

And off the subject, But i am closer to being a wheeler i guess that means i am learning.

It is so fun to stir the shat, and watch all you old timers get all huffy-puffy.

Originally posted by 79FoMoCoF250


Been there done that along time ago, maybe i should go read it again. I need a good laugh.

It may be about your attitude but it isn't about knowledge.
It is about how many times you post. If it was about knowledge then there should a test you could take to see your ranking. I am not new to the sport just to the board. Use your mind before your mouth.

Damn you now i am all worked up:rolleyes:

And off the subject, But i am closer to being a wheeler i guess that means i am learning.

It is so fun to stir the shat, and watch all you old timers get all huffy-puffy. :rainbow: :flipoff2:

Leave him alone. It was a simple question in a "JEEP" forum. This particular forum isn't called "Rock crawling". He don't bag you for having a YJ does he? :eek: :D

Come on Bigdude..........how much rock crawlin you gonna do over there in sunny florida? :flipoff2: :beer: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by ROKWALKER
Leave him alone. It was a simple question in a "JEEP" forum. This particular forum isn't called "Rock crawling". He don't bag you for having a YJ does he? :eek: :D

Come on Bigdude..........how much rock crawlin you gonna do over there in sunny florida? :flipoff2: :beer: :flipoff2:


I am also a newbie, but at least I had the sense to lurk and to read the Jeep Talk Mission Statement: "81. This should be considered college level for wheeling Jeeps, so don't post kindergarden level topics. "
:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

this idiot would get flamed on JU. Dude, if you want a rack, buyin ones fine, but go do your own research keep your mouth shut unless it's an honest question, not what should i spend my yuppie money on. Somehow you stupid ass made it to this forum, so u should be able to find the conferr and surco websites. Buy the one you want and shut up. :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

I was at their sites along time ago I just wanted to know if it was going to rust or fall apart. DURIBLITY? This was my last stop not my first like the average jackass. Remember start at the bottom not at the top. I'm sorry you thought that I asked If mat finish or gloss would be look cooler.
Or wherther the fawking thing will get me pu$$y. Could care least
I really wanted to know if i could throw all of my friends and my mountaineering gear (500 lbs+)on top with crushing my "mall runner." There are more then one way to the top of a mountain, I sometimes like to climb instead of crawl.
It is no different then asking if one suspension works better then another. Which that is a popular question itself.
:flipoff2:

You want a real answer, here ya go:

Get a Kargomaster and be done with it. You can find them at www.dpgoffroad.com

Read this first,

http://www.naxja.com/bbs/nontech.cgi?read=39075


You really should ask all XJ questions there before here, they are much nicer, and just as knowledgeable in regards to the XJ. In fact many of them frequent this board as well. But whether here or there, ALWAYS do a search first.

well, obviously you didn't look at the site well enough, as the Surco rack is aluminum, thus rusting isn't too likely. Second, its not a good question. Asking US what to buy, is not a good question. Next, why do you think your search turned up no results? If you looked at the forum, you'd realize that's not the type of question asked here. Finally, the best way to make friends isn't to give back snotty remarks when you get flamed for a dumb question. Learn from your mistake, and look elsewhere. I may be a newbie, but i'm learning the ways, not blindly posting shit. to answer your question, buy a con-ferr, as surco is held together by pop-rivets, and the aluminum is simply not as strong as the steel conferr rack. the conferr also has better workmanship and construction. However, the conferr is more expensive, as the rack itself is more than the surco, then you have to add in the floor kit and any extras you would like.

Alright finally a decent answer. Thanks :beer:
I hope nobody lost sleep over this.:p

I am in too good of a mood to fling more shat.

Oh and thanks to those who helped:smokin: and to those who entertained me.:flipoff2:

dude, keep digging your grave That was a lame question and you are too damn stubborn to admit it. As someone said if you searched the forum you would realize why there was no stupid question about which rack to buy. Here is some common sense...buy the one you want after researching the websites of different rack mfgs...point is you should have asked Jeeves first.

If you only have 6,9, or 15 posts I don't think any of you are standing on much ground to flame anyone else.

IMHO

XtremeGod, IMHO, you don't have to have a certain number of posts to understand someone is an idiot.

Originally posted by muddyxj
XtremeGod, IMHO, you don't have to have a certain number of posts to understand someone is an idiot.
Hypocrite? :flipoff2:

oh yeah im a real idiot due to the fact i dont spend every hour of the day on this forum posting away...jackass

Originally posted by ROKWALKER
Leave him alone. It was a simple question in a "JEEP" forum. This particular forum isn't called "Rock crawling". He don't bag you for having a YJ does he? :eek: :D

Come on Bigdude..........how much rock crawlin you gonna do over there in sunny florida? :flipoff2: :beer: :flipoff2:

If you were kidding with this then here's a good old :flipoff2: for you:beer:

If you were serious then you're an idiot. Search my posts and you'll find out where I actually do crawl here in FL and also that I trailer my sh!t north and compete.

Have a nice day either way, I don't have much YJ left, this forum isn't for roff rack questions, and if you were bagging me for living in FL and that means I don't know what rock crawling is- then suck my d!ck:flipoff2: :D

Haha........Yeah I seen on TV.....they do have some big boulders there in Florida............Around SWIMMING POOLS! Doh! :flipoff2:

Oh yeah, If you have to trailer your rig anywhere.......well.......that's not my fault. :(

And, if your Jeep is barely a YJ anymore then STAY OFF the Jeep board. I propose a freak forum for all of you who can't decide what kind of rig you have. :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

I hope you aren't concerned that I was being an @sshole to you, were you? What on earth would make someone bag people for simply typing in a forum? :flipoff2: :beer: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by ROKWALKER
Haha........Yeah I seen on TV.....they do have some big boulders there in Florida............Around SWIMMING POOLS! Doh! :flipoff2:

Oh yeah, If you have to trailer your rig anywhere.......well.......that's not my fault. :(

And, if your Jeep is barely a YJ anymore then STAY OFF the Jeep board. I propose a freak forum for all of you who can't decide what kind of rig you have. :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

I hope you aren't concerned that I was being an @sshole to you, were you? What on earth would make someone bag people for simply typing in a forum? :flipoff2: :beer: :flipoff2:

God damn you just know it all. Obviously you didn't search my previous posts like I suggested. Well I'll enlighten you- I work for a mining company here in FL. You'd be amazed what can be found 80-100 ft deep in FL. And when it's found it gets dumped in one big area (hint.... It's not sand.... another hint..... It's composite limestone)

Some more for you-
running gear= 1-ton (not available on stock Jeeps but very desirable newbie)
Suspension= Wagonneer (Jeep as far as everyone else is concerned, but you're right not YJ)
Motor/trans/t-case/Tub= YJ

I'll go read your previous posts and see what kind of tech you contribute. Then you go read mine and see the tech I've contributed. After that we'll see who should *STAY OFF* the jeep board. About trailering- Never complained, I love it. Competitions and large wheeling areas are north of FL so why would I complain. I'm just happy that at 23 I have a career which affords me enough cash to have a built Jeep, trailer, and new tow rig. Also I don't think you were being an asshole in you're previous post, but basing someones wheeling experience etc. on where they live shows a lack of intelligence. I just wanted to enlighten you and say suck my d!ck know it all.

Anytime you want to take a vacation to FL I'd be happy to show you my playground, take your rig on it, whatever. Although I don't know if your junk would be up to it, unless you get a cool roof rack like the guy you're sticking up for.
:rolleyes:

Originally posted by ROKWALKER
Haha........Yeah I seen on TV.....they do have some big boulders there in Florida............Around SWIMMING POOLS! Doh! :flipoff2: that was a witty one, eh?! Oh yeah, If you have to trailer your rig anywhere.......well.......that's not my fault. no fault in trailering a rig, just the fault of whoever dropped you on your fawking headAnd, if your Jeep is barely a YJ anymore then STAY OFF the Jeep board. I propose a freak forum for all of you who can't decide what kind of rig you have. IT'S NOT WHAT YOU BOUGHT... IT's WHAT YOU BUILT!!:flipoff2:
Stupid a$$ JU whining NEWBIE :barf:!!I hope you aren't concerned that I was being an @sshole to you, were you? What on earth would make someone bag on people for simply typing in a forum? FIRST ... YOU are of NO concern or consequence to me whatsoever nor am I to you. So what the fawk is your friggin' point here? Flaming occurs like the Circle of Life ridding itself of the weak and sick, read :crybaby2: NEWBIE :barf:. When 79stupidMoFo first posted he asked a dumba$$ ?, got flamed and then whined like mule when he got called out. It wasn't until towards a few posts ago he says Originaly posted by 79FoMoCoF250 I was at their sites along time ago I just wanted to know if it was going to rust or fall apart. DURIBLITY? IF he had made that clear in the first place or even in his first response, he MIGHT have faired a better fate. The BEST way to have handled this was to post the Kindergarten BS in the Chit Chat Forum!!! Now YOU have come off like a :clown: yourself and are putting yourself to be next in line for the Newbie Flaming Thread. You don't care I'm sure, and I don't either. BUT you are mall cruisin' for a "Hammers" kinda bruisin'!! I may have a high post count, not compared to some, but compared to you :crybaby2:s, HOWEVER, I am a newbie when it comes to the level of knowledge that is here and FREE for the asking. I was personally surprised to find this kind of technical info readily available on a public BBS. The only difference between the free and paid portion of this board is getting a RED STAR for some fun little extras and helping keep P4x4 running for everyone to enjoy. This really should be the end of all of the Shenanigans, bitching, and moaning.

It has been said before BUT I AM GONNA SAY IT AGAIN for you ... Go read the JEEP MISSION STATEMENT!!! IMHO, P4x4.com is just like the good ol' :usa: ... LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!:flipoff2: and IF you still don't get the point, this should make the point crystal clear :flipoff:

Have a :beer:, read the J.M.S. and chill the fawk out!

:rantoff:

Tigger........nice double post n00b!

FIRST ... YOU are of NO concern or consequence to me whatsoever nor am I to you.

Good......that's why nobody was talking to you ASSWHIPE! Try joining the rest of the world and get a couple branches on that family tree....hillbilly. :eek: Have a nice day :rainbow: boy. ;)

Bigdude..... Obviously you didn't search my previous posts like I suggested.

Of course I didn't. I didn't care what you posted then and, I don't care what you post now. I was simply pointing out your small penis syndrome. It makes yours and, apparently tigger's, penis grow in length every time you flame someone. I use flame as the operative word. :rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

You may have a nice rig.......I can really give a rats ass. But, If it has to be trailered to a trail then it doesn't impress me in the least. I'd almost rather watch a rat give birth to an elephant. With that said, I know you aren't trying to impress me and that makes me 100% happy. :beer:

If you don't like whats dealt to you then don't deal it out. Maybe you and tigger can have fun having a "sword" fight. And, they say football is a game of INCHES! :mad3: :nuke: :zzz:

Of course I didn't. I didn't care what you posted then and, I don't care what you post now.


If you don't care, then why did you reply to it and bitch some more. If you really didn't care, then you'd just STFU. ;) .......... :flipoff2:

Originally posted by IndianaBlake
If you don't care, then why did you reply to it and bitch some more. If you really didn't care, then you'd just STFU. ;) .......... :flipoff2:

BWWAAAHAHAHAHAAAHAAA !!! Yer killin' me here Indiana!:laughing:

ROKWALKER (kinda sounds like some game the:rainbow::bender: lovers'd play)

I remember back to high school Psych 101 class, :rolleyes:you seem to have deep seated social fears of your true self coming to the surface. With that said, lets keep the A$$ slapping out of this and leave that to You & your NEWBIE buddies there!!:flipoff2: As far as branches go, we'll leave that to your family stick okay.:rasta: As far as the penis envy goes, check into Frued's theories on that one, m'kay ya :rasta::rainbow: Nuff sed.

Wellll, maybe not, (s)he really seems to be so fired up about poor lil ol' 79SloMoFerd getting biatch slapped around after bring up a JU topic inna Tech related Forum. An iffin he's a Ferd Freak, why the He!! would he be posting here in THE JEEP forum:confused: You NEWBIES really need to go back to JU and regroup or something! :laughing::flipoff2::laughing:

I remember back to high school Psych 101 class

I'm glad you can remember all the way back to last year! You're so big! Want a cookie? Wait.........if you buy a bigger monitor does that make you a bigger internet tough guy? Nice name yourself there Tigger. :rainbow: "bouncy pouncy" :rainbow: You bore me.......i'm done with you.

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by ROKWALKER
[B]But, If it has to be trailered to a trail then it doesn't impress me in the least.

Just thought I'd reply so you could get the facts straight :p . My rig does not need to be trailered, I choose to trailer it because I can afford to. I don't know anyone in their right mind who would choose to ride in their rig to the trail vs. cruising in a LT Tahoe with all the trimmings (that includes all rigs- not just Jeeps). Towing rigs provides multiple benefits besides a comfy, cush ride. The fact that you don't seem to realize this shows you're not into the kind of wheeling we do here (interpretted as very extreme for the most part). A trailer provides a guaranteed way to get your rig and yourself home should something catastrophic happen (like multiple roll-overs, drivetrain explosion, anything you could think of). The fact that you seem to talk down on those who trailer rigs portrays a small bit of envy on your part. Perhaps you're just jealous because you can't afford to do it;)

Dayum bigdude... I wanna job like YOU got!!

Screw these newbiehttp://www.nagca.com/forum/images/smiles/1gay.gif 's.

These flamboyant :girly:'s make me ASHAMED to be a newbie.

BUILD it!

sorry for the cheep pic!

now i know im being hypocritical by saying this, but the quote keeps popping into my mind- "Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics- Even if you win, you're still retarded." :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

All the flaming aside let's get real for a moment. It was suggested that another board might be a better place to ask. I agree. Who cares if this is or isn't a :rainbow: question. It's not a good question for here.

Why?

1) not too many people on this board know that much about bolt on roof racks. Most would just buy whatever and not give it as much thought as they would axle, or suspension selection.

2) not that many here care much about roof racks.

With all the above info including mine why waste your breath still? If you have a custom suspension, or welding question this is a great board. If you want to know about roof racks go to the other ones that are better roof rack boards. No biggie.