: Cherokee half door tech


HULK
05-01-2007, 08:42 AM
For those that havent seen these on NAXJA, we all know that visibility in a Cherocar sucks. So, I figured I would add a littel tech for the sake of those that have asked about my doors in the past.
You will need a spare set of doors from the junk yard, or a big set of cajones to cut up your stock doors. I started with junk doors and cut up my stock ones later....
Step 1: Gut your doors. Everything needs to come out, and it kinda sucks to get it out without breaking the glass. Bring friends and beer...
Step 2: Put some masking tape up on the lines you want to cut. Measure them about 15 times each to ensure accuracy, cuz you only get one shot at this. After you know they are square, set them in a place you can see them frequently in passing for a few days to ensure you really like where you placed the lines.
Step 3: After you've made good and sure you like where you are going to be cutting. CUT.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/HULK64/Mod%20Pics/15288235.jpg
You need to cut the front and back out at the same level, so keep your tape handy.
Step 4: Cut and fold flat stock into place. You can see how I did the bottom section in the pic above. Use your tape measure and your good sense to figure out your dimensions. I used 16g sheet, and I found good dimensions and prices at Menards surprisingly. This part is the worst of it. You need to cut your sheet and leave a 3/4" lip on the edge of each lip that you are going to fold over. You do this in order to have a good edge, and more solid surface to weld to. Welding sheet metal suck by itself, dont add a butt weld to the equation. It also helds add rigidity to your sheet. Do your best to get your edges/corners as close to your stock sheet metal as possible to avoid having to pinch in the stock metal as that will leave dimples and wrinkles htat you will have to fix with bondo. The less bondo the better. The bottom piece needs something to rest the inside edge on, so I simply welded in a piece of 1/2" square stock to accomplish that.
The sections on the sides are the absolute worst, especially around the door handle, but be patient and its worth it. The more cuts you make in your lip, the easier you can make a lip on crazy angles and bends. Dont forget to add a lip to the back edge of you sheet as well.
Step 5: Once you have done that you can start welding. Just tack tack tack, welder on low, since this is nothing structural. Fill in all the gaps, chase those holes, and from there, a flap wheel is your friend. Grind it smooth and reflect on what a sheet metal guru you are becoming. The below pic has hte front edge welded in and ground down, and the back sheet tacked in place for reference.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/HULK64/Mod%20Pics/e0f043cd.jpg
You will obviously repeat this step all the way around until your sheet is welded in.
Step 6: Dont froget you need to weld in the back. You can fold those edges over and tack them in place to keep the structure nice and strong.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/HULK64/Mod%20Pics/38787dbf.jpg
Step 7: Once you have cleaned up all the edges sufficiently you can move on to the window crease. I filled mine with 1/2" round stock and stitch welded it itn, and filled the rest with bondo. Sorry, no pics of this step. Just bend it in your vice to match the curve of the window and weld it in, pushed up against the front edge since 1/2" doesnt quite fill it. If you can find slightly bigger round stock it will fill nicer, but I couldnt find any.
Step 8: Now you're home free. Sand down all your joints nice and smooth with your grinder, and get to shluppin' bondo. Not fun, but it sure cleans it all up nice. If you need me to tell yuo how to bondo, this project isnt for you.
Step 9: Chop your handle in half, so the back bolt still holds it in place and you can use the stock handle linkage to open it. That way you dont have to rig any fancy handle or anything.
Paint it and you're done!
Should look somethin like this...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/HULK64/Mod%20Pics/IMGP1668.jpg

Finished product, and I even did the rears for the sake of symetry. I also made some crazy grenade door poppers...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/HULK64/Mod%20Pics/IMGP1705.jpg

It's a butt-load of work, and is very time consuming, but all in all not a terribly hard project. The increase in visibility is awesome, and my armpitt doesnt hurt anymore. Love it.

Feel free to ask questions if you got em...
j

Gotlift01
05-01-2007, 10:49 AM
Sweet work man, I DIG IT!:D

cherokeeguy
05-01-2007, 06:24 PM
That looks real sick lookin. I plan on doin the same on mine. Great work :smokin:

jpnbren
05-01-2007, 06:56 PM
Very nice work thanks for sharing!

o2bnmud02tj
05-03-2007, 04:37 AM
Those look real good. One ? is there any frame support to the canvis windows? If so can you get a pic of it. I have been talking to a friend about doing this to his XJ.

Derek K10
05-03-2007, 06:28 AM
mine a pretty beat now from wheel but they are simular to yours, except i know how to butt weld

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/wheelingpictures/mabell%204-29-07/4.jpg

HULK
05-03-2007, 06:44 AM
[QUOTE=Derek K10;6759762]mine a pretty beat now from wheel but they are simular to yours, except i know how to butt weld

[QUOTE]


Congrats.

Derek K10
05-03-2007, 07:51 AM
Congrats.

i wasnt trying to be a dick
yours look very good, i was just saying it to show it can be done with butt welds
this is a tech thread right?

HULK
05-03-2007, 04:34 PM
It is, but your delivery of tech leaves much to be desired. Care to inform how to do it, or tell us why butt welding is better? Feel free to add some tech!

Derek K10
05-04-2007, 06:27 AM
i never said it was better
just that it can be done so others reading your write up understand they dont have to bend the metal over

if your fitment of the pieces is good and you set the welder up right you really should burn through

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/hiderekhi/mj%20build/100_1163.jpg

and btw i would suggest anyone doing this to add a latch inside like hulk did, the ones on the outside of mine got ripped off within the first 2 trips

HULK
05-04-2007, 07:01 AM
nice work, and good recommendation on the inner latch. I ripped mine off on trip #2 as well.
j

Derek K10
05-04-2007, 07:10 AM
nice work, and good recommendation on the inner latch. I ripped mine off on trip #2 as well.
j

ya
i ripped of the pass side 1st trip and the drivers side 2nd
i just stick my finger in the hole and press down the rod, but im thinking about just ditching them all together

Lifted94XLT
08-22-2007, 09:54 AM
I noticed that both of you guys kept the upper door frame...... is this just for more "structural rigidity" or what?? I was thinkin of cutting my frame off when I do half doors, but thought I'd ask and see what y'alls thoughts on it is.

HardcorewannabeXJ
08-22-2007, 10:22 AM
I noticed that both of you guys kept the upper door frame...... is this just for more "structural rigidity" or what?? I was thinkin of cutting my frame off when I do half doors, but thought I'd ask and see what y'alls thoughts on it is.

That's a good question, seems like it would be lot less work to chop the top of those off...

Puma297
08-22-2007, 10:39 AM
I cut the top out of my door.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a349/Puma297/half%20doors/halfdoor14.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a349/Puma297/half%20doors/halfdoor12.jpg

haven't had any problems so far.

BerzerCO
08-22-2007, 10:44 AM
DON'T FORGET THE CUPHOLDER:flipoff2:


http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/BerzerCo/1187800659.jpg





I cut my hinges for "lift off"doors.


http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/BerzerCo/1187800759.jpg

Lifted94XLT
08-22-2007, 11:12 AM
DON'T FORGET THE CUPHOLDER:flipoff2:
I cut my hinges for "lift off"doors.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/BerzerCo/1187800759.jpg

I cut mine last night to do that too. I'm loving it.
the only thing I can really see about leavin the frame is that it looks cleaner then cutting the frame off, but I'm not buildin a show truck. haha.

Derek K10
08-22-2007, 11:16 AM
I noticed that both of you guys kept the upper door frame...... is this just for more "structural rigidity" or what?? I was thinkin of cutting my frame off when I do half doors, but thought I'd ask and see what y'alls thoughts on it is.

i kept mine because it looks better and more finished to have it IMO
they still will function just the same without the top of the door, but when you have the top part of the door it still covers to weather striping area, and flows better with the rest of the jeep, unlike if you cut them off you now just have a void.
To me its the little things that make the difference in fab.

Lifted94XLT
08-22-2007, 12:55 PM
i kept mine because it looks better and more finished to have it IMO
they still will function just the same without the top of the door, but when you have the top part of the door it still covers to weather striping area, and flows better with the rest of the jeep, unlike if you cut them off you now just have a void.
To me its the little things that make the difference in fab.

I agree with you, and now, the more I look at yours and hulks, I'm thinkin I"m gonna go this route now too..... looks much cleaner and finished off.... and just a little more work to fill the window channel.

Tommy_M
08-22-2007, 02:44 PM
I am a little burned out on mine. Here are the ZJ doors I am working on.

http://photobucket.com/albums/y124/Tommy_M/halfdoors006.jpg

Lifted94XLT
08-22-2007, 04:37 PM
I am a little burned out on mine. Here are the ZJ doors I am working on.

http://photobucket.com/albums/y124/Tommy_M/halfdoors006.jpg

I really like your doors Tommy..... they are lookin real good so far.

the Merg
08-22-2007, 05:23 PM
Finished product, and I even did the rears for the sake of symetry. I also made some crazy grenade door poppers...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/HULK64/Mod%20Pics/IMGP1705.jpg


How 'bout those canvas windows? I'm guessing you had someone make them for you? They're very professional :smokin:

Everybody's doors look good, nice and clean. I've got a set of doors in the shed waiting for teh chop.

XJ_ranger
08-23-2007, 12:39 AM
so this stunning hardcore tech is:

Take door off
Cut it apart
Fill void with metal
Grind
Paint

with the optional beer holder?

:D

Should have stopped at the 'Take door off' part :D

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/1466/stp81894nx7.jpg

tribal4krawler
08-23-2007, 09:11 AM
+1 on canvas window deal.. how'd you do it? i'm digging the whole half door thing alot, and i just might have to do that one day once the baby girl grows up a bit and starts talking and I need to get out of the house more. ;)

Yahl
08-23-2007, 10:02 PM
I'm also curious about the canvis door/window as well. At the moment, my doors are off and I've been contemplating doing this. I have a buddy that took a interior upholstery class so I think If I can give him better guidance, he could get-r-dun for me with a little guidance. I really want the same exact set up you have going on since I DD my Cherokee. Multi-purpose... :laughing:

russellmn
08-23-2007, 10:40 PM
Hulk, didn't know you were over here too! I've been lurking for years and finally signed up! lol

btw guys, his cherokar just plain works! And the doors look even better in person!

CAT-J
08-24-2007, 06:55 AM
Mine when it was wite.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e91/jon8416/3-11-07millers074.jpg?t=1187959933

widmayer123
08-24-2007, 01:39 PM
Find a local Awning and canvas shop
I run a Awning shop and we could make those but im in Northern IL!!

gwilliamson
08-26-2007, 02:44 AM
heres my half door for dumbies, basically since i have a crappy welder and low end welding skills, i just took a "concrete" saw blade for the ol' skill saw and made one cut from just below the window pillar part. worked pretty good except you need a blade for every door you wanna cut. Went to the steel shop and got 4 yards of 3'' flat strap 3/8 thick. tack it down both sides, tack again and than fill in the gaps....grind welds, prep, paint, mount, done.

pretty happy with the lightness of the doors, and for full doors i have another set of manual doors for that.

widmayer123
10-28-2007, 04:59 PM
Anybody wants canvass cover
I can make them for $50. Each
Just make me a paper pattern.

ZacSquatch
10-28-2007, 06:15 PM
How do you install the snap ends on the door side? rivet? screw?

widmayer123
10-28-2007, 07:32 PM
you can do either
But the rivet will hold better

cherokeefreak92
10-28-2007, 09:17 PM
ok say you do cut your doors, where can you find those button on window? (or do you have to make them yourself?)

widmayer123
10-28-2007, 10:15 PM
You contact someone like me!!

flexy92xj
11-03-2007, 02:50 PM
Didn't cut mine as low, just below the window... take them off completely when hitting the trails for better visibility.

http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/2656/2637779810032428117S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/2776/2014260030032428117S600x600Q85.jpg

HULK
11-04-2007, 06:23 AM
Those are nice, but I keep my doors on so my cherocar doesnt fold like a taco!:laughing:

IslanderOffRoad
11-06-2007, 02:14 AM
I was thinkin about the canvas windows today.... I'd like to do them for the quarter windows eventually... would be much better than breaking glass!

nunk
11-09-2007, 11:02 PM
you still makin those windows widmayer123 those are nice!!!

widmayer123
11-10-2007, 06:33 AM
I didn't Make those, But I could.
I own a Awning and canvas Shop, I've Made counless covers like them Just Bigger.

WilBadger
11-10-2007, 08:15 AM
Heres a picture gallery of the set i made (http://www.jeeps-offroad.com/reader-rigs/album90)

http://www.jeeps-offroad.com/reader-rigs/albums/album90/HlfDoor17.sized.jpg

I left the upper part of the window frame.I was going to make a piece of lexan that locked into the old window frame for the rainy days and when I was feeling to lazy to change doors.

cherokee707
11-13-2007, 12:53 AM
everyone tells me if you run no doors ur shit will fold and the door wont go on anymore is that true or what?

ddeadserious
11-13-2007, 09:11 AM
everyone tells me if you run no doors ur shit will fold and the door wont go on anymore is that true or what?

no, not true.