Has anybody put gears from a wide ratio trans into a close ratio? Can you put gears from a ford or heep wide trany into a scout t19 close? Can you put the gears from a two wheel drive trans into a four wheel drive trans?

Hey Mike...

jdjanda has a million tranny parts in his garage so he should know.
I have a question though. Wouldn't parts from a wide box be just as hard to find as a wide box itself?
BTW... What other granny trannies are out there? Furd, Chebby, Dodge, Land Rover, etc?
I have read really goot things about some very stout setup on a rover in the rover section. Imagine, one of those tranny t-case setup with a light weight aluminum Buic Motor. You almost couldn't call it a Scout anymore!

Ford and heep T18 are more common. Or a 2 wheel drive wide box out of a 2 wheel drive scout or other IH. A buddy of mine has been having trouble finding a wide box, so the next option is to swap gears into his close box. I have a close box sitting in the garage and I'm wondering if any body has swaped the 3rd gear from a close box to a wide box. That would reduce having to wind out 3rd gear to shift to 4th.

OK, here is the long and short of it. The biggest problem with swapping the gears is in the input shaft. IH used the loooooooooooooong input shaft as did Heep on the J20's, Ford used a shorty input also used on the Heep CJ's.

The input shaft also carries the input gear. The input gear is different for close and wide boxes, also between T98's and T18/T19. The other problem is 2wd trannies have a 10 spline output and 4wd trannies have a 6 spline output. The main shafts are swappable between close and wide boxes, but you have to stay in the same family, T98, T18, T19 are not interchangeable.

You can, take an IH truck T19 wide 2wd and swap the gears onto a T19 close 4wd and main shaft from a Scout. Avoid the ford boxes due to the input shaft problem. Let me know what other questions you may have. Also I can give you a guys a hand on swapping the cases, I've rebuilt a couple manuals.

Joe

Thanks for the info Joe.

Joe,
I'm getting ready to do just that. I have a wide box that came out of an IH 4x4 pickup. They used divorced setup so the tranny is the same as a 2wd variety. I'm gonna put the gears and syncro's off of the one mainshaft onto the mainshaft from my Scout close box. As I understand it, I will also have to swap the cluster gear from the wide box into the close box along with the mainshaft gears. If this is true, then that would put the nix on mixing and matching mainshaft gears as mention above. Am I right or wrong here?

Originally posted by TORC
Joe,
I'm getting ready to do just that. I have a wide box that came out of an IH 4x4 pickup. They used divorced setup so the tranny is the same as a 2wd variety. I'm gonna put the gears and syncro's off of the one mainshaft onto the mainshaft from my Scout close box. As I understand it, I will also have to swap the cluster gear from the wide box into the close box along with the mainshaft gears. If this is true, then that would put the nix on mixing and matching mainshaft gears as mention above. Am I right or wrong here?

are you sure that you have an IH truck T19 wide?

Only used 'em in '73-75, IIRC. Earlier than that, and it's a T98 wide ratio.. R is right and forward on the T98, right-rear on the T19.

I'll happilly trade one of my extra wide T19s (set up for a Dana 20) for a front 60. :D

Tom, brings up a good point. Post a picture of the tranny, and internals when you have it. A T98 and T18 are very hard to tell apart if you don't know what you are looking for. The T19's are easier to ID.

Joe

I was told that it came out of a '74 IH 4x4. I dont have any pics of the internals as I haven't torn into it yet. Got some of it sitting on a pallet tho.....
http://home.kc.rr.com/torc/scout/P0000264.JPG
http://home.kc.rr.com/torc/scout/P0000266.JPG
http://home.kc.rr.com/torc/scout/P0000268.JPG
http://home.kc.rr.com/torc/scout/P0000272.JPG
Can you tell anything from these pics?

rover makes great T-cases (LT230 and even the early series T-cases are good) and the autos are very good (727 and a 4 speed ZF like in the big beemers/benz) but YOU DO NOT WANT ANY ROVER MANUAL TRANNY. They are a best mediocre and rare to non existant in the US (LT85 or LT95) to crap (R380 and series IIa tranny) to complete crap (LT77 and SIII trans)

Ron

Originally posted by evilfij
rover makes great T-cases (LT230 and even the early series T-cases are good) and the autos are very good (727 and a 4 speed ZF like in the big beemers/benz) but YOU DO NOT WANT ANY ROVER MANUAL TRANNY. They are a best mediocre and rare to non existant in the US (LT85 or LT95) to crap (R380 and series IIa tranny) to complete crap (LT77 and SIII trans)

Ron

Huh :confused: :confused:

It was in responce to JoshC

"... What other granny trannies are out there? Furd, Chebby, Dodge, Land Rover, etc?
I have read really goot things about some very stout setup on a rover in the rover section. Imagine, one of those tranny t-case setup with a light weight aluminum Buic Motor. You almost couldn't call it a Scout anymore!"

Ron

Originally posted by TORC
I was told that it came out of a '74 IH 4x4. I dont have any pics of the internals as I haven't torn into it yet. Got some of it sitting on a pallet tho.....

http://home.kc.rr.com/torc/scout/P0000264.JPG
Can you tell anything from these pics?

I'm a little concerned that may be a T98. The bulge is on the drivers side, I thought the T19 had the bulge on the pass side? And the case has the boss of the reverse gear above the bulge. Pull the top cover and I can tell you for sure.

Joe

Originally posted by jdjanda


I'm a little concerned that may be a T98. The bulge is on the drivers side, I thought the T19 had the bulge on the pass side? And the case has the boss of the reverse gear above the bulge. Pull the top cover and I can tell you for sure.

Joe
Here is a pic of a T-19 I got off of the Binder Bulletin
http://home.kc.rr.com/torc/scout/T-19.jpg

Oh, and reverse is to the right and back. When I get the cover off, I'll take a pic and post it.

Originally posted by TORC

Oh, and reverse is to the right and back. When I get the cover off, I'll take a pic and post it.

Well, that's a real good indication it's a T19.

Now.. and it *IS* wide, right? :D They used the close ratio in the trucks, too. :D

Originally posted by tsm1mt


Well, that's a real good indication it's a T19.

Now.. and it *IS* wide, right? :D They used the close ratio in the trucks, too. :D

I did the "put it in first and turn the shaft" test. It took 6+ turns to rotate the other shaft once. Put it in reverse and it took just under 7 turns to spin the output once. Smells like a wide to me:D