Jeep guy here, was considering putting a set of Toyota axles in. The local yard had some Nissan thirds sitting out, and they look beefier than the Toyota thirds.

What's the deal with Nissan solid axles. They any good? Is it possible to find a solid front in this country (what side drop)? What's the ring diameters? 33 splines on some of them! Any hi pinions?
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there is some write up on them on pbb somewhere and i remember that for two years they made a rear axle thats strong ,wish i could find it for ya

Well, a set of gears for them is $450 and the only locker is an ARB for the 33 spline. Ring gear is just a hair over 9" and overall strength of the shafts is a little more than a 9". No chromo shafts avaiable and disk brake versions only come in a 31 spline.

Not to mention a front will be damn near impossible to find, it would be pass drop off a patrol if you did though.

There is really no practical reason to run these axles over a 9" set-up.
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That's kinda what I figured. Was just wondering if I was missing someting.

Are there Nissan portal axles?
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since hte xterra came out, gear options are abundant and getting cheaper. All H233bs are good. they had 31 and 33 spline versions. There is also a lockright for them..

I would have kept mine but i went full width

Nissan portal kits available in OZ.

I was talking about h233b's. I would like to know where you found cheap and abundant gear options.

There is no lock rite for the 31 spline.
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how much do you wanna bet they make a lock right for the older pathies?
ARB
Detroit (but i think they stopped making them)
Lockright.
LSD's

Thats what i KNOW

4.09's came in some xterras seen peopel picking them up for 50 bucks.

Meant 33spline on the no lockrite.
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4.375's are also common in the older pathies

I'm ditching mine for a 9". It isn't worth the hassle or money.

thought this may be of interest to you folk. yes Nissan patrol diffs with portals fitted are available down here in OZ, they are not cheap though, $16000Au for complete front and rear axles hu to hub. on an exchange basis.
here is a bit more info about OZ spec patrol axles that i copied from one of our boards
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I consulted my genuine Nissan workshop manuals out of curiosity and found out some interesting facts about Patrol diffs. Please bear in mind that my manuals only cover up to 12/94 models...but should be fairly close to later GQ,s as well.
Firstly.....
All OZ spec patrols had rear LSDs...and they are a benchmark LSD in the 4WD scene for reliability and robustness.
All cab/chassis models had H260 diffs..either full floating or semi floating....but all leaf spring models were full floating.
All other models (except some DX models) had semi floating H 233b diffs..the exception was a few DX models had full floating ones (fairly rare tho).
Secondly....
Standard ratio for all diesel wagons and TB42 (with 16" wheels) deluxe manuals is 4.111 ratio.
Standard ratio for all other patrols (except RB 30) is 3.900.
Both RB 30 and diesel cab/chassis are 4.375.
Petrol cab/chassis (TB 42) ratio is 4.111

I would like to post up some info about some research I did this arvo over a beer and a cuppla hours....may
be this could become a sticky if the mods deem it good enuff .
I consulted my genuine Nissan workshop manuals out of curiosity and found out some interesting facts about Patrol diffs. Please bear in mind that my manuals only cover up to 12/94 models...but should be fairly close to later GQ,s as well.
Firstly.....
All OZ spec patrols had rear LSDs...and they are a benchmark LSD in the 4WD scene for reliability and robustness.
All cab/chassis models had H260 diffs..either full floating or semi floating....but all leaf spring models were full floating.
All other models (except some DX models) had semi floating H 233b diffs..the exception was a few DX models had full floating ones (fairly rare tho).
Secondly....
Standard ratio for all diesel wagons and TB42 (with 16" wheels) deluxe manuals is 4.111 ratio.
Standard ratio for all other patrols (except RB 30) is 3.900.
Both RB 30 and diesel cab/chassis are 4.375.
Petrol cab/chassis (TB 42) ratio is 4.111

heres a link to the OZ made nissan portal axles
http://www.marks4wd.com/products/gearmaster/Gearmaster-portal-Nissan-GQ-GU.htm

H233b is a great axle IMO. I just picked up a 4.90 3rd from a 03 Xterra. Going to put it in my pathy. Just need to swap out the carriers and new lock right. New stuff is 33spline, old is 31.

Also found some disc brakes. Easy bolt on swap.

I already have the H233b in the truck with 4.88 and factory LSD. Its my daily driver. :D

Wish I could get a frt H233.:smokin:

If you can find one with the right gears, and you don't need a locker, they're as strong as a 9" and ok. If you need a locker and/or regear, they aren't worth the money as far as I'm concerned. I'm going to a 35 spline high alloy 9" with arb, strange 3rd member, disk brakes, and richmond gears for not much more than it would cost me to regear and arb the h233b, and it's much more axle. It's also much easier to find 9" parts used.

Strange 3rd member=$200 new, but from a person
35 spline ARB= $500 new, but from another person
richmond 5:43 gears =$140
35 spline alloy axles = $450 with new bearings, studs, and all
Housing = $50
Disk brake kit with calipers $200
install kit =$50
1350 yoke = $50
aluminum daytona pinion support=$100

Total:$1740

h233b ARB = $700 (pretty hard to find one used)
gears = $100 (if you can use a used stock ratio) $450 new(and only go to 5.13, not available in ratio I needed.)
install kit = about $200
housing = $50-150 from a person $200-300 from most junkyards

Total = $1150-1500, but no disk brakes (no kits available, if you have the right axle, you can swap shafts and brakes from an older pathfinder that had disk brakes), no 35 spline alloy axles (not even available), no 1350 yoke (not available)

It depends on what you want and what deals you can find, but it wasn't worth it to me to put that much money into an axle that has limited locker options, limited gearing, no axle choices, and little resale. I could get a fair amount back out of my 9" if I sold it.

Your right, about the cost, and hastle of the nissan axle. At the end of the day, i do have to say the 9" is not the way to go unless you want to spend big bucks.

The biggest problem i had running a Ford 9" is the drive shaft length. due to the low pinion, and drive haft length, and appropriate pinion agles the drive pinion is just too low. you can run a SYE and CV and point your pinion right at the T Case but the wheel base prohibits any inprovements.

I could keep my shaft out of the rocks. In order to, i had to pick lines, that just weren't fun.

Dude i do have to question your decision to run the 35 spine axles thats alot of money and you'll never need them.

If you go 9" in a pathy or LWB nissan and you REALLY want to wheel it.. this is going to be a problem.

don't waste money on those kind of axle shafts. Just save it for a spooled TRUE HI9 with 31 spline shafts.

My 233b had slightly twisted splines with 32" swampers....since I have to have new axles made anyway, I'm sticking to 35 spline. Not too mention, the tires and wheels top out near 130 lbs each, that's a lot of force.

Yup they are good axles if you plan to run stock gears and maybe weld them up or pack more clutches into the LSD. Otherwise dont waste your money.

i havent broken mine yet wen my friends were breaking shit on the toys and jeeps my lsd locks up almost as good as a locker and lets me go up anything the body can clear and how did he twist the spline with 32's thats wut i have but bfg muds?

My axles had a twist after 35's. You really need to slow WAY down when you try to type out something. Periods are a good thing.
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periods are useless.....and mabey u needa slow down cause u put 32..i wouldnt have said anything if u typed it right :)

H233b is a great axle IMO. I just picked up a 4.90 3rd from a 03 Xterra. Going to put it in my pathy. Just need to swap out the carriers and new lock right. New stuff is 33spline, old is 31.

Also found some disc brakes. Easy bolt on swap.

I already have the H233b in the truck with 4.88 and factory LSD. Its my daily driver. :D

Wish I could get a frt H233.:smokin:

So do the 33 spline X shafts fit right in?
If my pathy H233 shafts ever fail on me then the X 4.9 3rd member and 33 spline shafts is probably the route I will take...

No the 33 spline shafts will not work in your 31 spline housing.

Where did I type 32?
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I said 32's. I also broke about 9 cv's, 3 sets of factory hubs, 2-3 balloints, god knows how many bent up steering setups, cracked a-arms, broken leaf springs, and a few u-joints.

What of it? Not everybody wheels the same. If I need to stand on the skinny pedal, I will. 95% of the trails I've been on were 3-4 and had no bypasses. When you're on a mountain trail with no room to hardly back up, let alone turn around, and no bypasses, there's only one way you're getting out.

Help anyone,

I have a 1985 MQ Nissan Patrol wagon and have a major problem with my steering. When I get up to about 80km/h the steering wheel just goes out of control vigorously shaking to the point that I cannot hold the wheel. I slow down to about 50km/h and then the shaking stops but as soon as I get in the 80km range, off it goes again. I have replaced the steering damper, shocks, bushes, and tires and even had numerous wheel balances and alignments but it makes no difference. I am at my wits end and I don’t know what it could possibly be and neither do most of the people I take the car too.

Can anyone give me a suggestion as to the problem?

Many thanks for your help,

Help anyone,

I have a 1985 MQ Nissan Patrol wagon and have a major problem with my steering. When I get up to about 80km/h the steering wheel just goes out of control vigorously shaking to the point that I cannot hold the wheel. I slow down to about 50km/h and then the shaking stops but as soon as I get in the 80km range, off it goes again. I have replaced the steering damper, shocks, bushes, and tires and even had numerous wheel balances and alignments but it makes no difference. I am at my wits end and I don’t know what it could possibly be and neither do most of the people I take the car too.

Can anyone give me a suggestion as to the problem?

Many thanks for your help,

I'm not to up on my patrols, but i believe that is coil sprung and has a pan hard / track bar up front. Start with those bushings or rod ends. Also, Air pressure can effect this.

I recently had the same problem and it was that my wheel base was 1/2" shorter on one side. (poor alignment on my part). Fixing this helped dramatically. so its worth a look

An 85 Patrol is not coil sprung....it is leaf sprung.

Common prob on these 160 series Patrols. Go through your steering system, good number of joints there. Make sure everything is in order and not badly worn....including the plastic bushes in the relay. Next check your shackles on the leaves. Worn or loose and it creates the wobbles. Even flat worn out leaf springs can cause this due to the diff angle changing slightly once springs are flat. After that check knuckle flange cap bearings and also wheel bearings. Tires can do this if they are aggresive and are cold. also uneven tire pressure but I doubt tires are your prob.

I push my C200 diffs (yes C200 front & rear) hard with 34's. Not probs at all yet...the rear LSD is nearly as good as any locker. And this is in a 24yr old truck. I suppose it is all how you drive your truck.

Do whatever you want to your Nissan but I am not changing to non-Nissan diffs for anything other than portal axles.

It has nothing to do with how "good" the axles are or aren't, it's parts availability. Show me gears for them over 5.13? Right. How about a 233b drivers drop front end? Exactly. Disk brake swap kit rather than scrounging junkyard parts? Nope. Stronger axleshafts? Nope. Able to run a 1350 u-joint? Nope.

It's not costing me much more to build a 9" rear with a custom housing.

Strange third: $240
Bearing seal/kit: $50
5.43 richmond gears $140
ARB 35 spline locker (new): $550
4340 35 spline axleshafts (with new bearings and all): $450
Disk brake setup: $150
Housing: $450
1350 yoke: $60

Total: $2090

H233b
5.13 gears (can't even get the ratio I need): $450
ARB: $729
bearings seals (from what people have said): about $200
Disk brake setup from junkyard: about $150 if you're lucky.

Total
$1529

Comparable 9"
junkyard housing and third with disk setup:$150-$200
31 spline 6 lug axles: $350
ARB (heck, figure even at the h233 price): $720
6 lug rotors: $60
gears: $150
install kit: $50

Total:$1530

5 lug 9" (if you were changing the front and could stay 5 lug)
junkyard axle with disks: $200
ARB: $720
Gears: $150
install kit: $50

Total: $1120




For $561 I get a high clearance diamond style housing (with the wider width I wanted), 35 spline alloy axles, the gearing I need, a forged 1350 yoke, and stronger brakes.

If you build a comparable axle, the 9" is about the same (only because you have to buy 6 lug axles, if you were swapping front and went 5 lug, it would be much cheaper).

Extra points:

A ford 9" has easy resale, the 233b doesn't.
The 9" is easy to find cheap used (my $550 arb was new) and or new parts on the internet and such, the 233b isn't.
The ford 9" is easily upgradable later, the 233b isn't.
The 9" can be geared to basically any ratio wanted, the 233 can't.

If you build a comparable axle, the 9" is about the same (only because you have to buy 6 lug axles, if you were swapping front and went 5 lug, it would be much cheaper).


Dont forget buying new 5 lug wheels 300-500 more.

Well I am not going to argue your points...you make good points about the diffs.

But I am a Patrol guy, the only Nissans I drive are Patrols. I drive them not only because I enjoy the trucks but also because I feel it to be one of the best 4x4's on the planet.

But yep gears in the 5.xx are availabe for Patrols. Leaf or coil sprung. Stonger axles and cvs? Yup avalable too. I got my ARB locker for $650 new. Disc brakes? standard on Patrols since 1980 in the front and standard in the rear since 1988. C200 fronts and H233 fronts in Patrols.

Unavailable here in the USA, well to some extent yes you are right. But buying junk overseas is what I do and what I have been doing for nearly 10yrs. To me it is part of the fun...finding it, importing it and loving it.

For a lot of people the 4x4 hobby is not just about off-roading. And when it comes to Patrols nearly half the hobby is about digging for junk, similar to what DJ's do in old record shops. That is part of the fun!

I wonder though...why even buy/build a Nissan if you plan to just swap stuff out? Why not just go with a domestic truck and all your headaches go away. I understand the SaS swaps because an IFS sucks. But beyond that I just don't get why you would buy a Nissan and then spend lot's or cash, time and work to make it non-Nissan. :shaking:

1. I had a nissan
2. the ifs was trashed to the point the truck was undrivable, and not fixable economically, but had a new motor and was in great shape, so not worth junking
3. I like nissans
4. everybody and their dog has a jeep/yota
5. no matter what I bought, I would be ripping out the suspension and axles and starting over, whether it was straight axle or not, so I don't see much difference.
6. I know you can get 5.13 gears, I however, need 5.43 gears, which aren't available.

Yes, you could get a patrol, but nothing newer than (20 or 25 years old?) can be licensed, so the brakes would still have to be swapped.

I still want to know where you get a driver's drop 233b for a reasonable price.

Even if you can get that axle, then you're looking at another $450 gearset.

How much do the stronger axles and cv's cost, and how much shipping for whatever country they come from? That's going to add up fast, too.

I just don't see how it's economical to stay nissan, if it's going to be geared/locked/etc.

My 5 lug comment was due to many people needing new wheels etc, when they sas'ed anyway, so if they had a 5 lug bronco front and a 5 lug 9 inch rear, it's not any more work or money.

No not going to be economical compared to getting some D60's or 9" diffs from a local j/y. Parts will run a little more and yes if worried about breaking stuff having some spares around is a good idea. In your situation I suppose I understand and I am sure building it is part of the fun!

But ask anybody outside the USA and Nissan diffs in paticular Patrol diffs are super strong stock. Along with the gear boxes it is what makes them famous.

Importing parts is not as bad as you might think. Your dollar is still good in most countries even if falling. Shipping isn't bad if you go by sea, get it strapped to a pallet and no probs. It comes out a bit more expensive in the end but worth it to me. I bought and shipped a nice Patrol 5spd box with x-case, bellhousing and factory PTO box attached for about $1100. Two complete diffs would run about the same. Not to bad IMHO.

Don't have prices off the top of my head for imporved axle parts. But expect about what things run here. Patrols are the jeep in terms of common in Aus. and many other countries. That means they are everywhere, affordable and j/y are full of parts. Not to mention about every mod or modded part you could imagine is available. In fact I am looking to import an entire Patrol this year just for parts. When it comes down to it buying a whole truck and importing it then using nearly everything is the most economical option. And if you go this route it doesn't have to be 25yrs old because it will never be on the street. Just most of it's parts will! :laughing:

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