I know what I wanna do to my :jeep: but I would like to make sure I don't have my head up my arse and go the wrong direction. I have used the SEARCH and now need some clarity in the picture.


ANT - I have a Mil. Chevy D60 under my '76 FSJ finally. I want to put the tie-rod behind the diff. What do you have that will work with my rig? For now I have an SOA and will be running with 44044s and 9"x16.5" rims and most likely 37" tires. What other types of suspension will your arms work with? I read a thread from using SEARCH where somebody, I think it was 1TonCJ, had a link suspension and wasn't sure how your arms would work for his application. He is in a :jeep2: and I am inna :jeep:. Any difference? What if I go linked later on?

SCOTT@Rockstomper - Once I get the arms worked out, what all do I need to get to you for the tie-rod and other such parts pieces parts? With ANTs arms and your tie-rod, will I need to turn my pitman arm? It currently faces rearward and it doesn't seem like this would be necessary on an FSJ Chero.
BTW, the 16.5" beadlocks turned out :cartmanvoice:shhwweeeett!!:smokin: Thanks!:beer:

LAKERAT is gonna be setting me up with a Hydro-assist ram. Will this cause any damaging factors to any of your products:question: I would like to put any extra beef into it on the upfront instead of somewhere down the trails.;)

I am coming to you 3 for the parts cuz youse guys are the :nuke: here on PBB!!


Thanks for any and all input!! :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

My brother put his tierod behind his axle. However he is going ful hydro. This is also what I would suggest for you, unless it is your daily driver too.

He used avalanche arms, he just turned them backwards.

for pics go to his websitewww.patooyee.com

Go to the big yellow buildup...

Holly Stinger Batman! that thing is TALL!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Originally posted by Bones
Holly Stinger Batman! that thing is TALL!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

I think I need one of those too:) :emb:

Big stinger? You have no idea....check this one out.

http://www.4wheeln.com/jeepshow2002/images/DCP16061.JPG

Originally posted by I Lean
Big stinger? You have no idea....check this one out.

OMG!! Andmy wife was razzin' me about mine when I wald assembling it :rolleyes:

You could hang a swing off that! Or a hammock, I guess I don't get it:confused:

You need one of these:
http://www.rockstomper.com/images/products/steering/highsteer/dana60/d60double.jpg

The double D60 arm is in stock, as are Eric Ruhl's D44 double arms, and single arms for both are usually in stock too (I think we're out of D60 singles right now, but they're on the way)

Turn your pitman arm? :confused:

What I need to make rods, is center-to-center on whatever you need, and which ends you want to use. If you can't get center-to-center, give me a call, 720 652 0700, and I can go through whatever you can get, and we'll probably figure something out.

Oh, wait, turn your pitman around backwards? If the draglink is on the front, and the tierod on the back, then you should leave the pitman arm the way it was before, 'cause your FSJ has the draglink in front. If you put the draglink on the wrong side of the axle, you need to turn the pitman arm around to face the wrong way on the box, just like what I did to the Mantis steering.

As far as damaging the tie rod or anything with a hydro assist, I seriously doubt it. I've been running ram assist, 2" bore, on a 1.25" tierod, with 44's, and no problems. I have heard that the Ford kingpin 60 knuckles can have issues with hydro steer, but never seen it firsthand.

Send me an e-mail I can make what you need. Yes the arms will work with just about any type of suspension. I run 4 link with behind the axle steer on my rig...

Anthony@SierraRockCrawlers.com

http://www.sierrarockcrawlers.com/data/srcforumuploads/DOCU0021.JPG

Originally posted by Scott@Rockstomper
You need one of these:
http://www.rockstomper.com/images/products/steering/highsteer/dana60/d60double.jpg
The double D60 arm is in stock, as are Eric Ruhl's D44 double arms, and single arms for both are usually in stock too (I think we're out of D60 singles right now, but they're on the way) The double arms you speak of are pictured above, right?
What applications are they used for? Don't I need the singles? Or are you saying I need one of each? What I think you mean is one side is a single arm for the tie-rod to go behind the diff and the double arm so the draglink can attach to it. Am I even close on this one? IF this is correct, how do I incorporate the hydro-assist set-up? I tried to get a grip on the set-up with Ant's pic, but am kinda fuzzy. I'm sure between the two of you my pretzel of a mind will straighten out, some anyways.:rasta: Thanks again for wading through my babble. :beer:

BTW, ANT ... how much for the arms to get me done up right? And SCOTT ... how much for the tie-rod? Is it by linear measurement or by the unit? Will heims jump it up much? I dunno for sure if I am gonna go that route, but the seemingly popular vote sways that way. :confused:

somebody please explain the stinger thing to me. is it a joke? i don't get it

Its SUPPOSED to be used to prevent the front of the vehicle from falling into a deep crack or the likes...Why you would use it on anything but one of the arctic trucks I've not a clue...

Originally posted by Snake47720
Its SUPPOSED to be used to prevent the front of the vehicle from falling into a deep crack or the likes...Why you would use it on anything but one of the arctic trucks I've not a clue...

Its used for a lot more things then that...but the truck is a tech's who works at Mepco...one day while they were bored they bent a whole piece of tube right in the middle and mounted it as a joke...well now its got a new home:D:D:D

Originally posted by Supergper


Its used for a lot more things then that...

To keep the front clip from getting completely smashed when you roll?? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Snake47720


To keep the front clip from getting completely smashed when you roll?? :flipoff2:

Sure or to prevent a front roll or to tie straps to or...:flipoff2::D

:shakinghead:How the fawk did this thread turn into a stinger thang:confused:

I need more info on the parts I need for my D60 mods daMMit! :rasta:


GIMME! GIMME!! GIMME!!! :flipoff2:

Okay, back to the post now...


Here's my double sided arm for my Scout..I put a pic of the single one too. I run the tie rod behind and will put the drag link in front. I make my own tie rods and drag links though.

BTW, the above arms were made by Lars at KDS Mfg...I don't know the cost due to an entire package deal that I worked out with him. Please call him for more info. 916/207-5001.

- SD

Thanks scout dude..............

I got a hold of him and am purchasing a set to , very nice arms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks again Chris

Whats with the big ass hoops/stingers,,,,whatever you call them? They are fully gay looking!!!!

Jeff

ok......I NEEED more specifics on that manche.




seriously.....what the hell is he running for a front suspension and rear?

for the front, I see no leaves OR coils what is up there?

which springs for teh rear...that l;ooks like a little more lift than a basic soa...

To answer a few questions from e-mails I keep getting...

The arms pictured from RockStompers and Scout Dudes, don't have correct Ackerman.

The arms I make also use the factory studs and TAPERED NUTS.

http://www.sierrarockcrawlers.com/data/srcforumuploads/DOCU0023.JPG

I charge $250 for a set using heims or tie-rod ends.

Originally posted by Ant
To answer a few questions from e-mails I keep getting...

The arms pictured from RockStompers and Scout Dudes, don't have correct Ackerman.

The arms I make also use the factory studs and TAPERED NUTS.
I charge $250 for a set using heims or tie-rod ends.

Ant, will your arms work with a RC60 running stock hummer rims?
I think the pinion would be in the way, but not sure.

Thanks

Originally posted by Ant
To answer a few questions from e-mails I keep getting...

The arms pictured from RockStompers and Scout Dudes, don't have correct Ackerman.

The arms I make also use the factory studs and TAPERED NUTS.


Yep, your correct...those arms don't have th correct Ackerman angle...but who cares....at least we saved 36 lbs on the material used to make the arms!:flipoff2:

(It really doesn't matter...were not racing these vehicles around a track!)

Originally posted by cruiserrg


Ant, will your arms work with a RC60 running stock hummer rims?
I think the pinion would be in the way, but not sure.

Thanks

My set up is on a RC60...but the pinion is pointed up 5º with the caster set at 7º back. I don't know what factory angles were, so I can't compare...

Hey Scout Dude.

What are you using for front brakes? The caliper bracket doesn't look like the Chevy D60 bracket. It looks like you have a 5 bolt spindle so I guess that is a Ford knuckle and spindle.

Originally posted by Eric
Hey Scout Dude.

What are you using for front brakes? The caliper bracket doesn't look like the Chevy D60 bracket. It looks like you have a 5 bolt spindle so I guess that is a Ford knuckle and spindle.

After a long drawn out brake issue..I finally went with Wagoner Machine's 15" brake kit...It comes with rotors, calipers, pads, guide pins, banjo bolts, & custom caliper supports. I was a little concerned about spending $550 for this but after I got it....I was very impressed. Sure, after seeing it, I could have made the brackets myself..but I don't have a pattern cutter and they Tig weld the brackets also (Don't have a Tig welder either). I dealt with Casey there and he is truely an Awesome guy..his Customer Service is incredible.

Originally posted by tigger4x
The double arms you speak of are pictured above, right?
What applications are they used for?

Double arms let you put the draglink in front, the tierod in back.

Ant is right; our double arms do not have corrected Ackermann. We can build the singles with corrected Ackermann, or with no Ackermann, or whatever, but the doubles, because of machining concerns, have a pilot hole in each end before we even see them.

Tigger, you probably need one single and one double arm--double on the right, draglink up front, single on the left, tierod in back. You can use two doubles and put the ram up front on the left, but most people mount the ram to the tierod, not to an arm. Personally, I run two singles (in back) with fully reversed steering, draglink attached to the tierod, ram attached to the tierod on the other side.

Ackerman is nice, but is it necessary? this is something that has been beat to death. NO I don't think it is a necessity. I mean I had the correcta ckerman arms on my front 60, and it never made me wheel any better which is what I am building for. If I was to do ti again, I would go witht he cheaper arms, whicherver one that may be.

Dimtiri

Originally posted by dog walker
Whats with the big ass hoops/stingers,,,,whatever you call them? They are fully gay looking!!!!

Jeff

The stingers are for 2 purposes, neither of which are for falling into crevasses. (:smokin: ) The first is to prevent the hood and grill from being crushed during a roll. (Not 100% foolproof, but close.) Second, it is angled forward so that, if I endo forwards, hopefully, as the vehicle puts weight on the stinger, it will roll over to one side instead of flopping end over end, as I'm sure we're all aware sucks worse than side to side.

As for the :rainbow: comment, not all of us build rigs just to look good. Regardless of how you think it looks, to find out what something TRULY :rainbow: looks like, take a look in the mirror. :flipoff2:

J. J.

Just so that no one can say that I didn't contribute to this thread, here is a pic of my d60 front with Avalanche arms turned around and swapped with the link behind the axle. I am also using 44044 springs. As you can tell, the link comes close to the springs, and may come closer whent they sag. I may have to make a spacer eventually. I am going full hydro, whcih is why you don't see anywhere to mount anything in the front. I hope these pics give you some ideas.

http://www.patooyee.com/bigbuildup/DSC00583.JPG

http://www.patooyee.com/bigbuildup/DSC00567.JPG

http://www.patooyee.com/bigbuildup/DSC00576.JPG

J. J.