Although I have only recently registered as a member to Pirate4X4, I have been reading the thoughts and opinions of all of you for quite a while and realize that there is alot of knowledge in here, so..........:confused:

I really want to purchase a coil over suspension from RRO, but i know noone who acually owns one. I want to know if it is worth the effort. It's funny, I have spoken to quite a few different vendors and have heard good and bad things about it, now i'm really confused. Now I want to hear from those who actually have it. My other option is to go with a YJ setup from Trail Tough. A friend of mine has this and I love it. Well now its your turn, COIL or YJ, and why. Yea, i'm a newbie, but so were you at one point!

Well, if you want a suspension anytime soon, I'd recommend the Trail Tough YJ kit. I've heard that the coil conversions, both from Rocky Road and Shaffer directly, can take a very long time to get.
I have the Trail Tough YJ kit on mine and love it! It rides great, flexes better, and is really easy to install, not to mention how much cheaper it is than a coil conversion. It will extend your wheelbase a few inches (I'm sitting at about 84-85" right now) and that always helps, too. Brent (at Trail Tough) is a great guy, and I would definitely recommend him. ~Steve

I have the Shaffer's/RRO coil kit. It took 1 year and 1 week to get to me, So yes the wait is long hehe. I installed it in the month before Memorial Day and took it out last weekend for some runs. It performed flawless except for my y-link bushing disintegrating. I think the angle may be a bit off or i over tightened it.

You can see some pictures of the coil install at my website.

Last i talked with Mike Shaffer he was talking about not making the kit anymore because they take too long and everyone is pissed. He may have changed his mind though...

I would recommend the YJ kit or the Spidertrax setup with coils in the front.

The coil setup is the one from Mike Shaffer. It is a nice setup. At last years Suzuki on the Rocks up at the Rubicon, there were 2 rigs running it. Unfortunately I don't have any pics handy of them except for this one. There are a lot of other threads on the board about this setup. One of the 2 people are here. Look for Samit Patel, he's running a white zuk with the prototype suspension.

I have the CSC YJ setup with a shackle reversal. The kit is no longer made since CSC went out of business. The ride is nice, flex is great. I haven't seen the TT setup first hand, but from what I've heard it works really well. Dave as Asian Autoparts of AZ also has a YJ kit, but it is weld-in and it's based on the CSC setup (s/r). Also a nice kit, just depends on if you want missing links or s/r.

http://home.attbi.com/~rokzuki/pics/rubicon1.jpg

Hey Newbe !

I'm in NY visiting the folks but will be back next week with my zuke.

I have dumped my rear leaf "funky" suspension and have some new coil parts on order. Basically its a some 14" x 5" coils with some weight jackers. We scaled my car on my bros cool race car scales and based on that i went with some 150# coils for now.

Ill post full numbers with f/r % when i get home was very interesting...but I scaled ~2700 fully loaded with driver and simulated gear. (thats w/ toy axle swap and full exo cage also)

If the springs are too light ill add some rubbers or jump to 175s

good luck, pm me next week and you can swing by to check out my junk if your interested...

-yag

I am a new member here as well.

I run a customised HHOR system to fit SJ. I built it for myself so was able to customise everything to work for me. I used a stock pair of coils out of an EB Bronco. The coil rate on them seems to be perfect for how far inboard I mounted them. As for flex the strech as far as I would want a coil to and colaps to coilbound. After I do my 4.3 swap I am going to do a front coil swap. For ride quality and flex, I would have to say go coils!

http://www.comber.ca/blanchette/vicweb/1295rti%2004.JPG

http://www.comber.ca/blanchette/vicweb/1295rti%2014.JPG

got the Trail Tough yj kit here with missing links front and rear and man does it drop jaws here when I pull up to a jeep ride or ramp fest and walk all the way up ,did the same pose on a 55 gallon drum the other day and had great contact pressure to the ground did not feel like I was sweating the springs at all/yj kit=cheap and easy.....just do it man:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Well, you guys won't believe this, but when I talked to RRO on thursday last week, thay said that they could have the coil setup to me in about two weeks! I can see it now, the phones at RRO are going to be ring off the hook tomorrow morning! Unfortunately, it won't be me calling. I am currently in Argentina and won't be back in the States for another 2 weeks. Ya know, I am dying to have the coil setup, but I have a feeling thet it would be unrealistic to believe that I would have it any time soon. I travel alot and only have a limited time to ride and wrench, so time to me is at a premium. If anyone else that has the Mike Schaffer kit have pics, send them my way as I just haven't given up hope that I can do the project. Oh, if any of you other zukaholics have thought of putting together a kit of your own, give me a shout! ~ Art Lilley

I talked to one of Shaffers guys a few days ago. They had an extra kit ready to ship to the next guy who orders and have taken care of their production issues and can now get them made quickly. Mines in the mail, cant wait!

Originally posted by NC ZUK GUY
Well, you guys won't believe this, but when I talked to RRO on thursday last week, thay said that they could have the coil setup to me in about two weeks!


baaaaaaaahaaaaahahahahahah :laughing::laughing::laughing:
Glenn you kill me

As of the 6-1-02 if you order a kit from SHAFFER'S OFFROAD all kits ship in 30 days or its 1/2 price! And RRO no longer sales the shaffer kit. I think they are building there own....

hey jake this the first time you havn't used caps lock.... your slipping man. :D

Originally posted by poppycock

baaaaaaaahaaaaahahahahahah :laughing::laughing::laughing:
Glenn you kill me [/B]

Man, you are killing me!!!!!!

Anyway, as you will see by the message below, I am EXTREMELY BORED since my ZUK is 6000 miles away!!! So, I decided to compare costs between the Coil and the YJ setup. This is the parts package I would be purchasing to do my whole suspension setup. :bounce: The coils can actually be cheaper if you don't have access to used YJ springs. Any non-believers can do the math yourself.

Mike Schaffer, if you see this, please PM me. I have alot of questions!!!

Schaffer/RRO Coil 1678.00
Pad Hard Bar kit
Front and rear coils kit
Z-bar link (delete 129.00) kit
2 ea drive shaft spacers kit
7” longer brakelines 3 ea kit
7” longer brakeline 28.00
Upper front shock mounts kit
Lower front shock mount kit
Upper rear Shock mounts kit
Lower rear shock mount kit
4 doestch tech 8000 shocks 135.00
knuckle over steering 279.00
Extended slip yoke 75.00

Total cost 2066.00

Trail Tough YJ Kit 1258.00
Front YJ kit with Missing Link kit
Rear YJ Spring Suspension kit kit
Knuckle-Over Steering kit
4 extended brake lines kit
2 bushing sets kit
2 one inch driveline spacers kit
one extended slip yoke kit
4 DT 8000 series Prerunner shocks kit
Upper front shock mounts kit
Lower front shock mount kit
Upper rear Shock mounts 39.00
Lower rear shock mount kit
2 sets spring perches kit
Pan Hard Bar (TT or spidertrax) 299.00
4 used YJ springs 160.00

Total Cost with used springs 1756.00

4 new YJ Springs 516.00
Total cost with new YJ springs 2112.00


As you can see, i deleted the z-link in favor of the knuckle over in the coil setup, and had to add a few odds and ends to make the packages even. The relatively close cost makes it even harder to choose. Can somebody make up my mind??????? /:confused: :confused: :confused:

her is a pic of the shaffer kit:)

Bill,
I really appreciate the warm welcome that all have extended to me as a newbie, but, you really didn't have to roll your zuk over on its side just so that I could have a pic! Thank's, I owe you one!!~ art Lilley

I'll make up your mind! SHAFFER KIT ALL THE WAY!! I have seen this susp WORK, and WORK great! it is a solid feel on the street (unlike missing links). The coils do have some body roll on the street but it is not bad if you run 9000's, or you don't drive it like a sports car. My low down.......
coils
-cushy ride yes++
-Solid on road feel ++
-Awsome flex ++
-no axle wrap! ++
-Climbs hills unlike any leaf set up I've seen
-Made from a fabicator that used to build class 7s race trucks++
--Edit--- sweet approach and deparcher angles limited to bumpers and not the spring hanger/shackles....

YJ setup
-axle wrap? not unless you have a traction bar-
-solid on road feel? missing links com awn
-climbing hills? missing links, heello is this thing on?
-yes it dose flex
-cushy ride? yes



If I had $2000 to burn? no doubt about it shaffer all the way.

Oh that's ok it's not my truck:D But here is another shot, it's the only other pic I have

I wonder if the kit Glen is quote is their new kit. Did you ask. I'd be curious to see what it looks like anyway.

I wonder what Glen would say if you told him you'd be there tomorrow to pick the coil kit up.:confused: :D

(I know what he'll say here):flipoff2:

Originally posted by DemoMike
I wonder what Glen would say if you told him you'd be there tomorrow to pick the coil kit up.:confused: :D

(I know what he'll say here):flipoff2:

yea yea I have a friend close to his shop I'll have him pick it up:D

What kind of price is the kit going for and can it be adapted to Toy
axles

Well, actually when I called RRO, I spoke to someone named Shawn. I don't have a clue as to if he has a clue. Glenn has nothing to do with this. I will be calling back tomorrow (yes from Argentina!) to find out the skinny on the kit. I'll find out if it is his, or Mike's kit. I'll also be calling Mike and will post my findings. The main thing about this project is that it has to be streetable. I drive my zuk 20 miles to work every day and want to keep it that way.

Thanks!~Art

Originally posted by Rockrat
What kind of price is the kit going for and can it be adapted to Toy
axles


SHAFFER'S OFFROADS HAS A KIT FOR TOY AXLES...iT SALES FOR $1699.00:D

in the front ive ran coils but seem to like the springs a lot more but i think i will be kepping the coils in the rear after i do a four like whit my new axles but i will have a it so when i go to nwrca i can run the stock class i think i will be able to bolt on some leaf springs when i get there :) i kind think there are less thing to break



dan:massey:

Originally posted by MIKE S



SHAFFER'S OFFROADS HAS A KIT FOR TOY AXLES...iT SALES FOR $1699.00:D

Thanxs Mike Hoppin to sell out everything under the rig now after the melt and will be going with a kit then

Originally posted by Bill4rest
her is a pic of the shaffer kit:)

Hey Bill, that pics looks a little familar. :D I've got a pic just like it. If you want the full sized pics of those (1600x1200) I can email them to you. I have about 12 pics of his rig.

Send em to my e-mail please

Originally posted by moto261
in the front ive ran coils but seem to like the springs a lot more but i think i will be kepping the coils in the rear after i do a four like whit my new axles but i will have a it so when i go to nwrca i can run the stock class i think i will be able to bolt on some leaf springs when i get there :) i kind think there are less thing to break



dan:massey:

Hey Moto we ran that Samurai in the Super mod Class:D the allow Shaffer coils since it is a kit. Do you know when the next event is?

no dont know when the comp is sorry :(


Dan :massey:

Originally posted by moto261
no dont know when the comp is sorry :(


Dan :massey:

It figures, those guy's need to get their heads out of there :rainbow: asses! they don't return e-mail they do not pick up the phone


NWRCA= :rainbow:

Originally posted by Bill4rest
Send em to my e-mail please

I sent them out. There should be 4 emails with 12 pictures. Hopefully they don't have any problems getting through due to their size. If so, I can temporarily throw them up on a webpage and you can get them from there.

Edit: Looks like they bounced back. You can grab them here http://home.attbi.com/~mtm_storage/rubicon/

Originally posted by M.Martian


I sent them out. There should be 4 emails with 12 pictures. Hopefully they don't have any problems getting through due to their size. If so, I can temporarily throw them up on a webpage and you can get them from there.

Edit: Looks like they bounced back. You can grab them here http://home.attbi.com/~mtm_storage/rubicon/


holy crap their big!!

Originally posted by Bill4rest


holy crap their big!!


:eek: :eek: heyzoose maria christos!!!

no problem, they look just fine on my 54" plasma monitor....:flipoff2:

if you look close enough, you can see the molecular structure comprising the rubber compound of the boggers, too!:smokin:
:D cool pics:beer:

Send your friend over Bill the kit is going on my sami now.

Well, my research is almost complete. Today I talked to Mike Schaffer and man, does that guy have a lot of knowledge to share!!!! As for his coil kit, he actually has one in stock as we speak and more will be done very soon. For those of you that have heard of problems concerning the Ford radius Bushing on the rear tri-link, it is currently being changed to a heim joint. He said that it will alleviate the few problems that were encountered with the ford bushing.

As for RRO, yes they have changed manufacturers and claim that they currently have 16 coil kits, 13 of which are spoken for. That leaves 3 available to anyone else out there that is seriously interested in the kit. As for the differences, I am waiting on a reply from Glenn. I spoke to Chris at the shop today but he said to find out more specifics, I should talk to Glenn. Easier said than done when you are in the States!!!! Glenn, answer your e-mail!

Anyway, the price for each kit is within 10 dollars of each other so the real question is which kit is actually better. (Mikes kit needs additional parts to equal the RRO kit, but the total cost after buying said parts is that close)

Either way, I'll soon be placing an order for a coil kit, the only question is from who. I'll let you know as soon as I figure it out.

Thanks to all who have sent pics and who gave their 2 cents, Zuk owners are way cool!

Art :usa:

Originally posted by NC ZUK GUY
Either way, I'll soon be placing an order for a coil kit, the only question is from who. I'll let you know as soon as I figure it out.

Art Lilley:usa:


Hummmmm look at the pic, that is Shaffer's rig he built for ARCA. Cam awn! is there really a :question: here or what:rolleyes:

shaffer's reputation in the 4x4 community alone should tell you which kit to pick. If i had the money to blow on my sammy it would go to eather him or Tim Hardy.

Originally posted by Bill4rest
Send em to my e-mail please

Hey Bill, forward me the images? One image per email please - I only have 26.4 kbps here at the farm.

T!

r@m

Originally posted by Root Moose


Hey Bill, forward me the images? One image per email please - I only have 26.4 kbps here at the farm.



Never mind - I got the web page (silly bunt really needs to read ahead sometimes, eh?)

r@m

Originally posted by CATCLAWEZ
Send your friend over Bill the kit is going on my sami now.

Which kit? Pics!

Originally posted by NC ZUK GUY
They Claim that they currently have 16 coil kits, 13 of which are spoken for.
Out of curiosity, if they have 13 kits which have been spoken for, why haven't they shipped?

Originally posted by Dr. Evil

Out of curiosity, if they have 13 kits which have been spoken for, why haven't they shipped?


Dial 1-888-801-7271 and ask. Here is part of the e-mail that I got from RRO.

We are shipping kits this week for those who have them on order. Sounds like you're "out of town" though :^) We've got 16 kits built, only 13 are sold at this time. If you do miss this batch, we'll have another batch ready about the 25th of this month.

Art

Originally posted by Dr. Evil

Out of curiosity, if they have 13 kits which have been spoken for, why haven't they shipped?

because in reality they don't really exist... :flipoff2:

It Is RRO kit the install in going slower then planned, (also putting in motor as we go) ETA on completion is the 19th
The true test is SOR see ya there

Originally posted by NC ZUK GUY
Well, my research is almost complete. Today I talked to Mike Schaffer and man, does that guy have a lot of knowledge to share!!!! As for his coil kit, he actually has one in stock as we speak and more will be done very soon. For those of you that have heard of problems concerning the Ford radius Bushing on the rear tri-link, it is currently being changed to a heim joint. He said that it will alleviate the few problems that were encountered with the ford bushing.


Thanks to all who have sent pics and who gave their 2 cents, Zuk owners are way cool!

Art Lilley:usa:

Just out of curiosity, why was the Schaffer kit having problems with the ford radius bushing link? I don't see how one heim joint will give enough motion to pivot off of. And what does schaffer's kit use for the side links? It looks like just bushings? or maybe Johnny joints??:beer:

Originally posted by Full Width Sammy


Just out of curiosity, why was the Schaffer kit having problems with the ford radius bushing link? I don't see how one heim joint will give enough motion to pivot off of. And what does schaffer's kit use for the side links? It looks like just bushings? or maybe Johnny joints??:beer:

My y-link bushings fell apart after about 4 hours of wheelin. Mike is out of town so i havent been able to talk it through with him to see what the problem was; too tight, too lose, too much lube, wrong angle...

The bushings on the links are Johnny Joints.

Maybe i missed it, but it looks like you do not plan to upgrade to bigger/stronger driveshafts. Your front shaft will hit the crossmember at droop, and with that much lift stock u-joints go :nuke: a lot. Don't waste time/money adding extended slipyokes or spacers to stock shafts. You're already spending 2k, whats a few hundred more? :D :D Do it right the first time, and save a headache.
My 0.02

Just thinkin out loud how about Mikes Y link and all other pertinent
rods and joints with a set of fox coil overs?

Originally posted by ZuksRule
Maybe i missed it, but it looks like you do not plan to upgrade to bigger/stronger driveshafts. Your front shaft will hit the crossmember at droop, and with that much lift stock u-joints go :nuke: a lot. Don't waste time/money adding extended slipyokes or spacers to stock shafts. You're already spending 2k, whats a few hundred more? :D :D Do it right the first time, and save a headache.
My 0.02

No, you didn't miss anything. I didn't mention anything about Drive Shafts or axel upgrades. The truth is that I have about 4500 to invest and that is part of my planned project. I haven't decided on which drive shafts to go with so this is sure to open a new discussion. Currently, I have 5:38 R&P but will be selling them as I am reverting back to (don't say it) stock R&P ratios and adding a Sumo case or GRS1. Mike and I talked extensively and for my wheeling needs he gave me alot of sound advice. I have a short and long term plan in place and the shafts are definately in the short term as well as the new t-case.

It will be interesting to hear all of you bag on me about stock R&P ratios! But, I'm looking forward to it!!!!!!

So, let's have it, the good, bad, and the ugly on aftermarket drive shafts.

Art :usa:

Originally posted by lojones


My y-link bushings fell apart after about 4 hours of wheelin. Mike is out of town so i havent been able to talk it through with him to see what the problem was; too tight, too lose, too much lube, wrong angle...

The bushings on the links are Johnny Joints.

Believe it or not, he told me that he wasn't sure if it was too tight, too lose, too much lube, wrong angle... He will be back on tues from a comp at Badlands, he is spotting for someone there.

Art :usa:

Guys, you have got to check out the new contents and parts of the Rocky Road coil kit. I can't pass it up and will be ordering one when I get back to the states. I don't care how much you guys bag on Glenn, you can't pass up the complete kit price he is offering. Look for yourself!!!!!

NC ZUK GUY
US Army Special Forces
"De Oppresso Liber"

looks like schaffers kit to me.... why would you order from a middle man when you could order it direct?

Originally posted by poppycock
looks like schaffers kit to me.... why would you order from a middle man when you could order it direct?

Did you look at what you get?

With Mikes kit (nothing wrong with it, it's the original coil kit) you get only the Coils, mounts, and control arms for 1300$. Nothing else. No shocks or shock mounts at all, no brake lines, no spacers or shafts, and no steering kit. (Still a great value as it comes)

Try adding up what it would cost to buy 4 DT shocks, upper and lower shock mounts (front and rear), extended brake lines, 2 KAD drive shafts, and a Knuckle over steering system. (all included in the RRO Deluxe kit.) Can you say $$$$$$$$$$$$$

No Brainer, you will save SOOOOOOOO much money. Do the math.

Art :usa: :beret: