Hummer or replica this is the question?

[Yadranco]

I am not Hummer owner (beside Hummer hood) but I love Hummers. I can’t afford to buy one to be honest. I am building one. It is not going to be real Hummer ,rather replica , not even 4x4.There are some companies that make kit replica Hummers on the frame of the donor trucks usually 4x4.There are even plans to build Hummer from the scratch. My question is on behalf of these entire people who are building replica Hummer, are we welcome here or is this going to be exclusive Hummer club?

[Bebe]

I don't see whynot. You'll need parts tech when it comes to body/replacement parts right?

What type are you building and on what frame?

[Sewie]

Personally, I've never understood the replica thing. But that's just me. To each their own. If you can get help here, that's great.

I did meet up with a guy in Pismo last summer who builds replicas. This one was built on a fullsize Chevy frame and running gear. I gotta say, it was an absolute beast on the dunes. :D

http://www.h3adventures.com/coppermine/albums/uploads/pismo0606/normal_pismo_41.jpg

[Camarogenius]

I am not Hummer owner (beside Hummer hood) but I love Hummers. I can’t afford to buy one to be honest. I am building one. It is not going to be real Hummer ,rather replica , not even 4x4.There are some companies that make kit replica Hummers on the frame of the donor trucks usually 4x4.There are even plans to build Hummer from the scratch. My question is on behalf of these entire people who are building replica Hummer, are we welcome here or is this going to be exclusive Hummer club?

Remember me?
Yes, it'll be freindly towards replicas. I'm not a mod, I'm just a replica builder.
But I've wanted this forum for a long time, anyone that tries to ruin it for the rest of us will recieve an e-wedgie!!:flipoff2:

[Beat95YJ]

I say you guys go true Hummer only. Most of the replica's belong in the Chevy forum as they are built on suburban chassis. In addition, not a single body part exchanges between the replicas and the genuine thing.

You guys got a forum for Hummers. Don't dilute it by putting all kinds of crap in it. Focus on the H1-H4 and you will have a good run of it. The Hummer platforms are much more capable than the FJ Cruiser. You should be able to put together a nice forum.

[Big91RustyBucket]

I say you guys go true Hummer only. Most of the replica's belong in the Chevy forum as they are built on suburban chassis. In addition, not a single body part exchanges between the replicas and the genuine thing.

You guys got a forum for Hummers. Don't dilute it by putting all kinds of crap in it. Focus on the H1-H4 and you will have a good run of it. The Hummer platforms are much more capable than the FJ Cruiser. You should be able to put together a nice forum.

:laughing:

[Camarogenius]

I say you guys go true Hummer only. Most of the replica's belong in the Chevy forum as they are built on suburban chassis. In addition, not a single body part exchanges between the replicas and the genuine thing.

You guys got a forum for Hummers. Don't dilute it by putting all kinds of crap in it. Focus on the H1-H4 and you will have a good run of it. The Hummer platforms are much more capable than the FJ Cruiser. You should be able to put together a nice forum.
I disagree. The chevy forum isn't the place for hand built vehicles.

[Yadranco]

Camarogenius in the house of Hummer , Hummer owners are telling us that we are so far welcome , while Jeep owners wants to kick us out.Who should we belive?http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l214/argonaut_01/63.gif

[Beat95YJ]

Camarogenius in the house of Hummer , Hummer owners are telling us that we are so far welcome , while Jeep owners wants to kick us out.Who should we belive?http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l214/argonaut_01/63.gif

It is your forum, do what you want with it. I was making a suggestion.

Where would you put this vehicle? It is a TJ or YJ with a Hummer esque body?

http://www.landrunner.com/Black_Landrunner.png

Not one part is interchangeable with a Hummer, and the suspension/chassis is not even of the same concept as a Hummer.

Landrunner.com (http://www.landrunner.com/index.html)

[Beat95YJ]

I disagree. The chevy forum isn't the place for hand built vehicles.

General 4x4 is the place for handbuilts.

[Camarogenius]

Yadranko, I think it's the same situation with other replicas as well. Original Shelby Cobra owners love and respect the replicas, but mustang owners usually don't care for them much.
I don't really have a vested interest either way, If I need replica advice, I just go to one of thomas's sites, and have always found the answers I need. The only exception being diesel and drivetrain questions, and most of those are aimed at me on thomas's boards.
In here, I'm only voicing an opinion.

[rocknbronco]

Project Urban Gorilla on Xtreme 4X4 was a great replica build try for something like that.

[Yadranco]

Reason why I am building replica, like I stated in my first post, is I can’t afford to buy real Hummer .People who have one, are real enthusiasts and they sacrificed a lot for their passion. If I could buy used Hummer for few grand like Jeep owners do , I wouldn’t build replica .Maybe one day when somebody start to import Chinese hummers I will buy one .

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/transport/eq2050.asp

It is your forum, do what you want with it. I was making a suggestion.

Where would you put this vehicle? It is a TJ or YJ with a Hummer esque body?




And this is not my forum. Rather this is our forum. As long as we follow the rules of engagement we will all get along. I am glad that rules exist here and that they are applied. All people who post here have some interest in Hummer. I happened to know few Hummer owners and they are down to earth humble guys. I can see by acceptance in this tread that most Hummer owners are the same. You answer your own question; this is still TJ or YJ with Hummeresque body. Would you accept owner of that vehicle in Jeep forum or he would have to take hood of? On the and it is not important the vehicle it is important persons sense of belonging.
Ians Urban Gorilla from Extreme 4x4 was in did great build .http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l214/argonaut_01/060104312.gif

[Beat95YJ]

You answer your own question; this is still TJ or YJ with Hummeresque body. Would you accept owner of that vehicle in Jeep forum or he would have to take hood of?

I would welcome him the same as a guy with tube fenders and a comp cut. It is just bodywork. It is still a jeep.

[TJVigilante]

How much is it going to cost you to create a Hummer replica? You can buy a retired military hummer for 25k.

[Camarogenius]

How much is it going to cost you to create a Hummer replica? You can buy a retired military hummer for 25k.
All in, I'll have 25-30K in mine. Mine will be a much more reliable daily driver than a real H-1, I'll have 12 volt electrics, front and rear heat and A/C Reverse camera, and a very comfortable interior. Also, mine will have a CTD, so I'll have tons more power as well.

[Yadranco]

You got me with this one .I am not personally very deep in to it .Truck 1200$ , wheels 300$ , tires 240$ , doors 700$ , hood 300$ , all together less then 3000$ .Now I have to buy another piece of welding ( TIG ) equipment probably another 3000$ . My mig already cost me over 2000$.But you can build show quality truck for 15 – 20.000$.Depends what you want from mild to wild .You can buy already built body or you can build body from the scratch from plans .This is least expensive way. Then there is drive train .You can choose from GM, Ford or Dodge .Diesel or gas 6 or 8.Camarogenius is expert in mechanics, maybe he can help.http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l214/argonaut_01/010104ok7.gif

[rocknbronco]

How much is it going to cost you to create a Hummer replica? You can buy a retired military hummer for 25k.

I'm almost sure you could build one way cheaper than that.

[geberhard]

Well I think it can be argued both ways, pretty much my jeep has very little Jeep left, a lot of rigs here on other forums have very ittle left of what it started with anyways, one ton stuff, bigger engines, t cases, axles, suspension, etc etc. I think the posting person will have the sense to know where it will fit best and then mods can help coordinate, does not seem that hard.

There are great threads and info on building home brewed hummer styled rigs, like the TremorMUV (http://www.tremormuv.com/), etc. I think Elcova and H1forum have killer build up threads as well.

[KiGrind]

I can dream right? 1ton Chevy frame with a hummer body rolling on linked 2.5t rocks and 46" iroks would be pretty bad ass in my opinon.... drivetrain would have to include a big smokin dodge disiel

[Camarogenius]

I can dream right? 1ton Chevy frame with a hummer body rolling on linked 2.5t rocks and 46" iroks would be pretty bad ass in my opinon.... drivetrain would have to include a big smokin dodge disielDude, Check out the Tremor MUV. They look Awesome, and you can build one with basic fab skills, and a 110V wire feed.
The build plans are well written, Include tons of drawings, with all the angles and measurements. You also get a build CDROM that answers anything not crystal clear in the plan set. There's also two forums full of builders to advise and offer ideas.

[Camarogenius]

Theres one on ebay in georgia 14k ending today, built on a 98 chevy frame. I think they look sweet. How much does the body run you?

The tremor body is up to you and the steel yard, but $1500 is a high end guess. That's about where mine will land, I'm building a long roof.

[Camarogenius]

a set of "X" doors would be nice!!!!! lol. Kindof hard to stuff in an envelope, though! Thankyou for your service!
Oh! and welcome to Pirate! *EDIT* I just looked at your post count, you've been here a for a bit.

[Yadranco]

Kevlar doors ,hinges , door and windshield glass , tailgate , outside body panels , dog house covers etc are items in big demand by replica builders .This forum is just few days old , but soon I have no doubts ,people will start to buy and sell Hummer stuff here.

[KiGrind]

I don't have basic fab skills and the onyl feed I get is off Firefox's built in RSS feed that I enjoy. I'm fawked.

Back to the Jeep. ;-p

[Bebe]

Cleaned up.

There are a TON of places to get the parts you are looking for. Google HMMWV Parts and you will get quite a few. http://www.olive-drab.com/od_mvg_hmmwv_parts.php3

Let us know if it works out for you.

[geberhard]

on the h1forum there are some great links to places to find hoods, and doors, I think there is a military surplus place in Georgia (?) that had several hummer parts perfect for replica builders. I think on the board "ActionPaintball" has a replica that was pretty well setup if I am not mistaken.

[rocknbronco]

I can dream right? 1ton Chevy frame with a hummer body rolling on linked 2.5t rocks and 46" iroks would be pretty bad ass in my opinon.... drivetrain would have to include a big smokin dodge disiel

If you can deam it you can have it....

[actionpaintball]

http://timsheesley.com/files/HummerStuff/2hummers.jpg

Urban gorilla on 1985 Suburban-now sporting Dana 60 and DRW 14 bolt
Old pic in mid conversion:

http://timsheesley.com/files/hummerconversion.JPG

I also picked up a real one, rare 6.5 turbo and 4L80E:

http://timsheesley.com/HMMWV/side.jpg

I would grab the COMBAT kit from urban gorilla.

I picked up a set of X doors shipped to my door for just under $600 ($150 per door) or get a 4 man soft top kit for $400

I would lean away from an original HMMWV tub-they are hard to find and aluminum. I have done some mods to my floor and fenders and its much easier to cut and MIG sheet metal than tig aluminum IMO.

I would get the base kit from Urban Gorilla, and pick up a military windshield frame, with wipers (very important-wipers are a pain in the ass to retrofit) and pillars-fit military doors and military top on your choice of chassis.

It will cost you about $7000 plus your donor drivetrain.

Watch ebay for "HMMWV", "M998", "HUMVEE"

[Bebe]

If I wanted to purchase one of those, built and ready to "ROCK", what is a fair price?

[Yadranco]

If I wanted to purchase one of those, built and ready to "ROCK", what is a fair price?
You are lucky one , right now one is for sale .http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/hummer-h1-replica-built-i-1999-urban-gorilla-100-DONE_W0QQitemZ150132300626QQihZ005QQcategoryZ7251Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[rocknbronco]

I have always thought a Humvee Ambulance would make a great trail rig/camping rig.

[actionpaintball]

I have seen the ambulance tops go for $100 on www.govliquidation.com

http://www.panzerbaer.de/helper/pix/us_hmmwv_M997_Ambulance-001i.jpg

http://i17.ebayimg.com/04/i/08/4d/bb/c3_1.JPG

I agree-they would make a great camper.

[actionpaintball]

My .02 on the replica's:

Mine was fun to build and is fun to drive-but iw ould look for a real surplus Humvee (HMMWV, M998). You can sometimes catch them for under 20k. There are less than 1000 in civilian hands-and they are not releasing anymore-ever in the US and not allowing them to be imported. Its impossible to title them in some states even with DRMO documentation (if they give you any). If you can get your hands on one-with a valid title-it will appreciate.

Even with an urban Gorilla or similar kit-you will have 10-15k minimum for a capable truck by the time you are done. I have gone that route-its just how much your time is really worth-I built mine in college on a shoestring budget.

[Bebe]

I have looked at the M998's and watch them come and go on e-bay, but the straight axle setup on the replicas are just too cool.

I would probably green sticker and keep it as a dedicated trail rig, something I don't have to worry about and is easy/simple enough to get parts for and to have my husband fix for me:D

I still want something that looks cool, that's why I can't bring myself go with a jeep :grinpimp:

(J/K out there to all my heeper frinds)

[Camarogenius]

By the time all is said and done, I'll have 25-30k in my replica, but you couldn't touch an H-1 with the options mine will have for less than twice that. Probably three times that.

[rocknbronco]

I think going for a kit build would be better as well solid axles, choice of power plant, tranny, plus the other million things you could add to customize it.

[g-wizz]

It is your forum, do what you want with it. I was making a suggestion.

Where would you put this vehicle? It is a TJ or YJ with a Hummer esque body?

http://www.landrunner.com/Black_Landrunner.png

Not one part is interchangeable with a Hummer, and the suspension/chassis is not even of the same concept as a Hummer.

Landrunner.com (http://www.landrunner.com/index.html)

well all i know is that when i get pictures of my blazer in my garage its goign on the jeep hardcore tech forum. hell it even looks liek a jeep right now haha.

[NEOCON1]

Personally, I've never understood the replica thing. But that's just me. To each their own. If you can get help here, that's great.

I did meet up with a guy in Pismo last summer who builds replicas. This one was built on a fullsize Chevy frame and running gear. I gotta say, it was an absolute beast on the dunes. :D

http://www.h3adventures.com/coppermine/albums/uploads/pismo0606/normal_pismo_41.jpg


this one climbed dunes like they were nothing the lighter weight is a big advantage . i would love an insane chassis to put my H3's body on :smokin:

[rocknbronco]

Yeah I bet it would be a better advantage with the light weight and I imgaine it would get better mileage.

[AFI]

I thought about you replica guys just the other day, I was tasked with taking the trash out and low and behold, 6 sets of doors and 3 soft tops sitting there waiting to be thrown away. I nearly shed a tear knowing that some of you would just kill for those items. They throw away all the doors and shit here in the trash, everything has the new armor. and shatter proof windows.

[ron b]

bummer...a set of trail doors would be cool!

[Yadranco]

I decided to post these links about building a replica here. I am sure there is lot of people that are generally interested in Hummers but high prices of even used ones are keeping them away .Here you can have an idea what is involved in building one .I have seen lot of H1 replicas, saw some guy building H2 replica, can’t find link for that build up though, and saw even replica of H3 believe it or not. I am not in any way affiliated to this links and this is only for your information.
http://www.urbgorilla.com/
http://www.suburbangorilla.com./
http://classicroadsters.com/
http://www.hotrodscustomstuff.com/Humvee-00.html
http://www.geep.biz/

[Yadranco]

As we speak on Spike channel is final episode of Extreme 4x4 Urbangorila build up .Don’t miss it!

[Big91RustyBucket]

That was an awesome episode.

[American]

I also picked up a real one, rare 6.5 turbo and 4L80E:

http://timsheesley.com/HMMWV/side.jpg


What year is that? Seems to be sort of "new" for a HMMWV. '98ish? I might be way off...

[actionpaintball]

Tag used to say 1992-updated with all new A2 goodies except CTIS. Was destined for the DRMO crusher and "saved".

The VIN is now a VA reconstructed title. I have yet to see another military turbo model in civi hands?

[rocknbronco]

Lucky man:flipoff2:.

[capps]

ACTIONPAINTBALL - Where did you find the great deal on doors? Send me a PM, Found a set in Coloroda, but because several people saw the post he went up $100 per door because of all the calls he was getting.

[BigKofJustice]

I'd vote the real thing over a replica kit, every single replica I've seen looks off, and has none of the advantages or disadvantages of the real thing [cargo capacity, CTI, full independent suspension, chassis strength, portal axels, ground clearance, etc].

You can get used H1's for less then it costs for a properly built custom replica. If you don't value your time as a cost, then yes you can probably put a kit car together for 15k or so, but 20-30 k can get you into a used h1.

I picked up my H1 for a little over 35k, it has a turbo, all factory options, full maintenance documentation and service history, plus a whole drive train replacement under GMPP including the upgraded turbo block.

In the past few months on the HML i've seen a 2002 soft top turbo go for 32,000$, about 4 2-door pickup trucks go from 16,000$ to 28,000$. Most non turbo trucks sell for 20-30,000$, early turbos ranging from 30-40k. There was an A2 HMMWV M998 that sold in the pismo are for 16-17k a few months back as well.

The deals are there, you just need your checkbook ready because the trucks that are priced to sell, sell within a few days. The trucks you see for sale for months on end are overpriced and will never sell. Especially the guys who think their 10 year old truck is worth 50,000$ because it has lcd screens, non OEM spec rims and a playstation in it :D

You won't get a newer turbo 2002-2004 or alpha for anything cheap, but if you are looking for a early 6.2/6.5 NA there should be plenty of options out there. Relatively speaking, we're talking about a truck with a production run of a few hundred per year.

That being said, I got no problem with the kit cars, just when people start slapping h1 and hummer badges on the thing and start passing it off to everyone as the real deal. :shaking: At least I know why I occasionally get a guy telling me that his friend has an h1 with solid axles and a manual shift transmission.

[rocknbronco]

I dont see most folks having the money to drop 20K to 30K on a vehicle just to wheel for most thats a daily driver. Heck my tow rig only ran 25K and my Bronco that served as a daily driver was only 2K.
Now that being said I like the ideal of having an H2 over an H1 for a daily driver simply due to of comfort and a wife. But its hard to over come sticker shock and my Ford love.....

[EvilleIron]

I say you guys go true Hummer only. Most of the replica's belong in the Chevy forum as they are built on suburban chassis. In addition, not a single body part exchanges between the replicas and the genuine thing.

You guys got a forum for Hummers. Don't dilute it by putting all kinds of crap in it. Focus on the H1-H4 and you will have a good run of it. The Hummer platforms are much more capable than the FJ Cruiser. You should be able to put together a nice forum.

Hmm, 'must be talking about the prebuilt 'kits'.
My "K25" 'crap' projects seem to take every HMMWV body panel quite accurately.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/EvansvilleBrian/100_2071.jpg
And the only thing I own that says HUMMER on it is maybe a hotwheels toy.

Since the thread is here and titled, I'll jump in. I usually lurk and learn on Hummer forums.

I love the H1 appearance, yet the reliability and ease of maintenence of my Chevy K2500s and C30. When I bust a cv joint, (as I do) I'm out $80 and left and right are the same.
Im sure its probly lighter than the Cheyenne body that came off it, if not close to it.
I may not have the high mobility and rear diff clearance of an H1, but after all the work I put into these, I dont think I'd go trying to wreck it wheeling the impossible. But if I did, no biggie. It's just a $250 Chevy.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/EvansvilleBrian/100_1179-1.jpg
Not trying to get on any kind of soapbox, this is just one area of interest to me.
Yadranko, How is your build coming along, aint heard from you in a while @ H1forum.

[Camarogenius]

Wow. Nice Looking build.

[EvilleIron]

Thanks Jeff
Still got that Suburban Chassis at home?
Im doing a straight axle build next.

[Camarogenius]

Still got it, but I've also got a strait frame from an F-600. Perfectly strait, no funky curves or contours.
It's also got a New holland 6.6 TDI in it. About the same size as a cummins, but will rip a cummins in half for torque.
It's all on the back burner right now, but this summer, I'll be devoting at least 2 days a month to it.

[EvilleIron]

Let me know if you want to swap anything for the chassis/axles and tittle(3/4Ton Suburban, right?). Im just over in Evansville, still.

[Camarogenius]

Let me know if you want to swap anything for the chassis/axles and tittle(3/4Ton Suburban, right?). Im just over in Evansville, still.
It's a half ton. Sorry. But what have you got to swap?

[EvilleIron]

Thought for sure it was k20. musta been mistaken for another. I dont mess with 1/2 tons much. I got 2 rollers now I cant get rid of..

[Camarogenius]

On the 'burbs the only difference is the axles, and number of springs.

[spork2367]

It is not going to be real Hummer ,rather replica , not even 4x4.

am i the only one who noticed this? two wheel drive? you could use any drivetrain you wanted, why the hell would you use a two wheel drive?

[Camarogenius]

am i the only one who noticed this? two wheel drive? you could use any drivetrain you wanted, why the hell would you use a two wheel drive?
Because that's what came with his donor.
He used a grumman bread truck, and used most of the body. He cut it down, and re-engineered it.
What he lacks in english translation, he makes up for in fabbing skill. You should go check his build out.

[ChevyCowboy]

Hmm, 'must be talking about the prebuilt 'kits'.
My "K25" 'crap' projects seem to take every HMMWV body panel quite accurately.
And the only thing I own that says HUMMER on it is maybe a hotwheels toy.

Since the thread is here and titled, I'll jump in. I usually lurk and learn on Hummer forums.

I love the H1 appearance, yet the reliability and ease of maintenence of my Chevy K2500s and C30. When I bust a cv joint, (as I do) I'm out $80 and left and right are the same.
Im sure its probly lighter than the Cheyenne body that came off it, if not close to it.
I may not have the high mobility and rear diff clearance of an H1, but after all the work I put into these, I dont think I'd go trying to wreck it wheeling the impossible. But if I did, no biggie. It's just a $250 Chevy.
Not trying to get on any kind of soapbox, this is just one area of interest to me.
Yadranko, How is your build coming along, aint heard from you in a while @ H1forum.


hmm I just got a 1996 k2500 for $0.00 lol where did you get the plans to convert yours to a hummer?

[Camarogenius]

www.tremormuv.com I think the addy may have changed, but that'll redirect you.
If not, just google Tremor MUV.

[EvilleIron]

hmm I just got a 1996 k2500 for $0.00 lol where did you get the plans to convert yours to a hummer?

I went to the armory and measured the square panneled HMMWVs and drew them up on AutoCAD.
It took alot of visits over a 2 year period. I didnt draw the interior since different donors will come out differently.
I made a side profile fixture and can punch out a body skeletin in less than a week.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/EvansvilleBrian/100_2025.jpg
[/IMG]http://http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/EvansvilleBrian/100_1957-1.jpg

I dont sell or offer the plans.

[AtlantaK-5er]

All in, I'll have 25-30K in mine. Mine will be a much more reliable daily driver than a real H-1, I'll have 12 volt electrics, front and rear heat and A/C Reverse camera, and a very comfortable interior. Also, mine will have a CTD, so I'll have tons more power as well.

My real H1 is about as relaible as they come. I would not hesitate to take it across the country right now. Its front and rear air blows colder than my 2002 Tahoe Z71. It rides great as well. This is a common misnomer. I thought the same until I actuall rode in the one I bought. It has 12 volt electronincs and the interior is comfortable enough that my wife doesnt complain on 2 or 3 hour trips...trust me that is proof! But the tahoe is definatley a better daily driver, lets be honest. My point is the H1 is far more streetable & relaible than people think.