Now you started something----- in my lookins-- i ran across a LARGE PHOTO album------ 1989 to @1995

wheelin as a Gear Grinder, with; Victor Valley 4, Spinnin 4's, Bakersfield Trailblazers and who knows what--- I was runnin a Plymouth Trailduster then/ then the NEW '92 Toy---Sherman Peak, White mts., Callico, Mojave trail, Bristlecone forrest, Eureka Valley, Steel Pass, Saline Valley, Death valley ETC, ETC, ETC---------- NOW WHAT !!!!!!!!!!



(you know-- PAPER PICTURES !!! remember them ?? don't fold, splindle, or mutilate ! )

Daymnbit !!!!!!!

at the bottom of THAT box-- another photo album--- 1961+--
my first Jeep- 1948 CJ-2a---- rebuilt and run around the Black Hills of S.Dak !!!!!!!!!!!! BEFORE there were 'off-road' tires, (we ran military notch tread-- THEY SUCKED !!), and before anyone knew about airing down !!!!!!!

before Armstrong Tire came out with the Norseman-- Cooper came out with a tire, but i ran the military's---- daymn jeep cost me $150 from a farmer in Sturges and took 4 pick-up loads to get it back to the Base trailer park (Ellsworth), a month to reassemble and it ran great !!!


SEE WHAT YOU STARTED !!!!!!!!!!!!!
(you and your 'way back machine' !!)--- PHOOEY-- now i can't sleep !!!

Daymnbit !!!!!!!

at the bottom of THAT box-- another photo album--- 1961+--
my first Jeep- 1948 CJ-2a---- rebuilt and run around the Black Hills of S.Dak !!!!!!!!!!!! BEFORE there were 'off-road' tires, (we ran military notch tread-- THEY SUCKED !!), and before anyone knew about airing down !!!!!!!

before Armstrong Tire came out with the Norseman-- Cooper came out with a tire, but i ran the military's---- daymn jeep cost me $150 from a farmer in Sturges and took 4 pick-up loads to get it back to the Base trailer park (Ellsworth), a month to reassemble and it ran great !!!


SEE WHAT YOU STARTED !!!!!!!!!!!!!
(you and your 'way back machine' !!)--- PHOOEY-- now i can't sleep !!!

I love you pops.

I've got a scanner if you want to share any of the true old school pics.

d

Donna bought me one of those "all in one" contraptions, FAX, copier, scanner, printer, and i think it perks coffee somehow-i did find the flat plate on top with a cover, i think it is for makin grilled cheeze sandwiches-- guess i outta dig out the book, put on my specs and see how it works !-- that would be a nice thing to have !-- i have been usein the pop out coffee cup holders in my puter for a while ! what will they think of next ???????


Camo, you turkey--:flipoff2::shaking:
still luv ya tho-

Donna bought me one of those "all in one" contraptions, FAX, copier, scanner, printer, and i think it perks coffee somehow-i did find the flat plate on top with a cover, i think it is for makin grilled cheeze sandwiches-- guess i outta dig out the book, put on my specs and see how it works !-- that would be a nice thing to have !-- i have been usein the pop out coffee cup holders in my puter for a while ! what will they think of next ???????


Camo, you turkey--:flipoff2::shaking:
still luv ya tho-


cool KRUSTY. that would be great to see some more old pics, especially of the panamints and saline. you can figure out the scanner no prob:beer:

Krusty,

keep up the good work and we will make you the pirate4x4 historian

Get it !!

camo

as good as that sounds--- nawwwwwwww. there are many folks that have been involved a lot more that i, and have done countless hours of research into the history of the area.
I just happened to be there at a time when access was open and the group i hung with was young and foolish enough to want to go/see/look/ and do what they could in the surrounding area.

Since i didn't have a rig that would keep up with most of it, the photog'in fell to me-----

but 'our' time in 'history' was an enjoyable experience i will always chearish.

oh, and speaking of residents----- just a few--

wild burros..................cool.......and ballarat in the background KRUSTY?

So Krusty what roads are open in the area Goler wash? I would really like to see the salt tram and whatever else I can get to legally. This trip would be in a samauri unlocked on both ends but lifted 4in. unless green stickered veh. are ok
Keep the pics and stories comming

Daymnbit !!!!!!!

at the bottom of THAT box-- another photo album--- 1961+--
my first Jeep- 1948 CJ-2a---- rebuilt and run around the Black Hills of S.Dak !!!!!!!!!!!! daymn jeep cost me $150 from a farmer in Sturges and took 4 pick-up loads to get it back to the Base trailer park (Ellsworth), a month to reassemble and it ran great !!!


WOW...pictures "back in the day" from "The Hills"....that would be VERY, VERY cool to see. :D

So Krusty what roads are open in the area Goler wash? I would really like to see the salt tram and whatever else I can get to legally. This trip would be in a samauri unlocked on both ends but lifted 4in. unless green stickered veh. are ok
Keep the pics and stories comming

Mike.
In the area of Goler... Goler is open.:p
...well, Im not just going to tell you where to go. Maps and books are good, or tag along with one of us...:flipoff2:

ok.
All the currently open roads on the west side of the Panamint Mountains are normally accessable by unlocked, and even many un-lifted 4wd vehicles (not AWD). But this can change with the weather.

The Salt Tram (Swansea Grade) is in the Inyo Mountains about 45 minutes west of Panamint Springs. It can also be seen in Saline Valley.
I usually use Panamint Springs Resort as a base when visiting the valley. Even though its at the north end, its in the middle of everything to see, and has the only gas for some ways... As an example, Goler is about 45mins south of PSR, Stovepipe Wells is about 30mins East.

Green sticker vehicles are not permitted in DVNP, so check your maps.

kris.

the 'salt tram' is a trip in its self---
as is Cerro Gordo--

a loop that i hope to do again someday---- the way we used to--
395 to Olancia (GAS) then 190 the death Valley road to the top/northern end of Panamint Valley, hang a left (north) and drop down Grapevine into the Saline Valley-- the west side WASHBOARD road passing the lower end of the tram way, up to the right turn to 'palm springs' (the hot springs-- clothing optional), north over Steel pass into the Eureka valley, past the dunes and out to the east into Death valley at the north end. south to Scotties Castle for gas, to the cut off for (spelling on this one)--- Ubehebe Crater, the race track, tea ketel junction, Lippencott mine, down into Eureka valley and out Grapevine---Olancia (gas)--

did it in a two day trip, sleeping under the stars in Eureka valley---

also stopping along the way to check stuff out------ but is still a long haul-



in 'the day', the club i ran with had an agreement with NPS to maintain Steel Pass to be 4X-able (along with Sherman pass)---

did the trip in my 92 toyota p/u 4X (course, that was @1994 !!!)

I usually use Panamint Springs Resort as a base when visiting the valley. Even though its at the north end, its in the middle of everything to see, and has the only gas for some ways...

Last time I was down there the gas station was closed. The bartender at the resort said it was closed for good, but that was over a year ago, so maybe things have changed. Can anyone confirm?

The pumps were up and working at PSR as of my group trip through there 2 months ago. At that point in time Scottys Castles pump were closed, "until further notice".

Last time I was down there the gas station was closed. The bartender at the resort said it was closed for good, but that was over a year ago, so maybe things have changed. Can anyone confirm?

Just over 1 year ago (mid March, '06), PSR changed owners. The last days of the previous owners were a dark time for the place.
Alot has changed (for the better) in the last year.
The pumps are open, and will only close if they run out of gas or have a technical problem. I have not known them to run out of gas in the last year, although they have posted on their website temporary increases in price when supplies got low. This was to encourage people to only take what they needed until the truck arrived and prices came back down accordingly.


Now...
Back to Krustys old pix. :D

kris.

The pumps are open, and will only close if they run out of gas or have a technical problem.

Good to hear, now(when it cools down) I can ride my Harley from Ridgecrest to Vegas through Death Valley. With PSR pumps closed my 2.3 gallon tank said no.

Add me to the list of people that would love to see the old pics. You forgot about those cutting edge Trutracs Krusty?:D

Just over 1 year ago (mid March, '06), PSR changed owners. The last days of the previous owners were a dark time for the place.
Alot has changed (for the better) in the last year.
The pumps are open, and will only close if they run out of gas or have a technical problem. I have not known them to run out of gas in the last year, although they have posted on their website temporary increases in price when supplies got low. This was to encourage people to only take what they needed until the truck arrived and prices came back down accordingly.


Now...
Back to Krustys old pix. :D

kris.


wow. imagine back in 1965, panamint springs was owned by charles snellstrom and wife. they had a daughter (lea) that we shared rides with to go to school in trona. i was living up in wildrose station. we had two gas pumps in wildrose that were filled by truck from trona. we generated our electricity. no TV, no phone:eek:

Hey Krusty, I'd love to see some of your old pics too. We put together a little gathering every October at PSR. I'll take up a fund and keep the cold ones coming your way if you bring out the photo albums. A few of the local old timers and more than one of your neighbors will be there. The trail runs wont be very hardcore, but the alcohol flows well into the morning and all are welcome at the fire.

Fall Haul 07 (http://www.panamintcharlie.net/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2389)

Goodyear Suburbanites before Armstrong Tru Trac's! And Gates Commando's too. Plus the old standby farm impliment tires. Used to wheel with the Pasadena Roughriders in the late 60's early 70's. Carl Johnson, Jeep pickup Johnson Junk II, Steve Hamm, 65 Chevy 1/2 ton 4x4 Broke and Blue, Alan Sheldon, 61 Chevy 4x4.Carl Hallstrom 46 flatfender with a 289, Don Berg 46 flatfender with a 327, Dick Hardy,early Scout with a 289 Del and Jim Comer, early Scout and 67 CJ5 with a V6 and me with a 63 Chevy 4x4 1/2 ton. Tire brands and places all familiar to me also. Even seen pics of a Travelall goin up Suprise Canyon! Not the trip I was on though.

I was just reading and trying to keep up with your stuff here, when Krusty's posts made me wanna share an old pic.
This link is to me taking a pic of my first OHV. It's my dad and brother -- mid 1960's. Truetracs on the front; hay bailers on the rear. This is how we got around the desert in those days.
http://www.delalbright.com/Images/Family/dad_lobster_window.html

Del

for all the changes, we haven't come really that far !!!!! that isn't too removed from my toyota !


all my 'old' pics are at the beach house in Morro Bay--- next trip over there, I'll pick them up and bring them back--- to post.

You know it is funny...look at my Lobster from the 1960's. Then imagine it with tube frame in stead of chopped down, shortened orig Studebaker frame.
Hmmmmm....oh, ok, take off the hay bailer tires and put on some Red Labels or 37 inch BFG KM2's and well, you know....what goes around comes around.

Del

My father, John Gunderman, passed away last year at the age of 67. He had several pictures from various trips up to Panamint. I will definitely dig them out and scan them in. I am hoping I run into some old-time wheelers that may have known him. He drove a 1967 CJ6, yellow, full cage on 33's, winch, lockers. Pretty awesome Jeep for 40 years ago.

My father, John Gunderman, passed away last year at the age of 67. He had several pictures from various trips up to Panamint. I will definitely dig them out and scan them in. I am hoping I run into some old-time wheelers that may have known him. He drove a 1967 CJ6, yellow, full cage on 33's, winch, lockers. Pretty awesome Jeep for 40 years ago.


Look forward to seeing the pics!!