Any you west cost boy's & girls comming to play on the hardest trails on the east coast?

Well Bob Roggy and I will be going out, but to help set course and such.

NeuRock will be using the ever popular CalROCS rules, vehicle classification, and points scoring system.

We are also trying to get some west coasters to make the trip out to PA. to show the old side, how the western hardcore wheelers get it.

The event is scheduled for sept. 7-8

Rich Klein
CalROCS

I'll probably be there.

if my sammy is done by then I'll be there. If not I might still be there if my buds from the local shop go.

I guess that no west coasters are comming out to run?

Originally posted by FLEXYSAMMY
I guess that no west coasters are comming out to run?

They're Skeered :p

Hey give the west coasters some time to think about this. :D
It's not like any other trip, even to Farmington N.M., which can still be done in about 17 hours.

Post some pics of what these might be getting into, help raise the interest guys. When I come to visit in July we'll take plenty of pics, but let's get them rolling now.

Rich

How about some info on this? An easy 2.5 hour drive up there---I'll be there. Where's the sign up page.

John

I'm in.

http://www.neuroc.com/

No Signup?! I'm set up for Pro-Mod I guess.... See you all there :D

Rob,
you need to just keep your self healthy for August.

Mitchell

Well, if you can't follow the directions, maybe you shouldn't be involved. :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :D

Go to the link
http://www.neuroc.com/


and click on Sign up at the botom of the page. Fill out the questionaire so Big Rich and Roggy can look it over and they'll get back to you on whether you are worthy. :nuke:


Just bustin on you. See you out at the shop tonight and bring the damn power steering pump with you.


John

If he wanted to fix the leak in the steering, do think there would be 1/2" of dust on the box? Besides those little arms need a work out ... lol

I found the dang signup button & submitted the winning entry. HA! HA!:rolleyes: Man I crack my self up. Anyhoo, worst comes to worst, I'll have Nikki drive and steer with the old "kick the tire" method... I WILL have steering that works, is reliable, and effortless. One day...

Hey Boring, grab some 2 guage battery cable on your way out. Having trouble finding lengths over 4'. Get as much as you can, any color...

I may not follow directions, but I play well with others...:flipoff2:

If you want to see what is there check out the hardest trail in the east thread on this board for death vally and the other trails are going to be at www.paragonap.com. Just an idea of what the trails are like.

I want to enter that too, and I sent them two mesages, and a phone call - still NO ANSWER after a few weeks.

I want to know about this "frame tie in" rule. My cage is attached to plates on the double walled floor. Not tied to the frame. Does that mean I can't go? (Maybe I will get around to frame tie-ins, but I have a lot of events to go to - don't know if I will have time.

Hell, according to their website even the lowest class (stock modified or whatever) must have a 6 point cage attached to the frame? Not too many stock guys with that are there?


Any of you have contacts at Neuroc who might be able to find out for me since they don't answer?

Thanks,

Phil

Originally posted by Big Rich
Well Bob Roggy and I will be going out, but to help set course and such.

NeuRock will be using the ever popular CalROCS rules, vehicle classification, and points scoring system.

We are also trying to get some west coasters to make the trip out to PA. to show the old side, how the western hardcore wheelers get it.

The event is scheduled for sept. 7-8

Rich Klein
CalROCS

Is there a reason you guys chose to schedule this event on the same weekend as the championship (and 4th series event) of ERoCC?:question: :confused:

Our team has been signed up for ERoCC for months (March I think) and the competiton dates for that series were set in stone back then. We would love to compete at Paragon but when we're running a series and qualify for the championship it makes it kind of tough:(

It just seems that with events being so scarce on the east coast and our sport just starting to grow, it's a total loss to schedule two large events on the same weekend. I know for sure that our team would've run both events if they ocurred at different times and I'm sure others would also. Is it just impossible for you guys to comminicate:confused: In these early stages of growth for our sport it would be more important to have as many events as possible and not schedule rivaling (sp?) dates. Therefore the few who actually do travel and compete could make as many as they want and not have to choose.:question:

Do CalRocs, RCAA, & UROCC coordinate so they schedule events on different date? If so why shouldn't the growing East coast circuit follow their good example?

Not trying to ruffle feathers, just asking. We're very upset at having to miss a competition.

Big Dude,

As one of the event organizers for the ERoCC Series, I can assure you that we checked all of the major series that we knew of, and insured that we were NOT scheduling over top of anyone's dates. We even checked the Jeep Jamboree schedules, so that any spectators wouldn't have to miss, or any Jamboree trail guides that may also want to compete could make the events.

Our schedule was out sometime in Feb. or Mar., and at that time, there was no such organization as Neuroc, at least, not that I knew about.

In any case, our goal at ERoCC (http://www.erocc.com/) is strictly non-profit. We pay back 100% of the entry fee's, and are working very hard to find sponsors to be able to offer even larger prizes to competitors. Any profit made at the event is immediately put right back in to the competition area in order to make the next event even better. None of us are in it to make money, but are in it to make sure that the sport of Rockcrawling doesn't die out faster than the Clear Pepsi fad we saw a few years back (that's right, some of you young whipper snappers, they used to make Pepsi that was clear, not brown).

I'm not saying that NeuRoc is in it to make money, mind you... not sure what their goal is. I would definitely entertain the idea of working with them, though, in order to make sure our events do not conflict in the future. It is very unfortunate that the date was scheduled on top of ours, but something that we are going to have to live with, I guess.

In any event, the next ERoCC (http://www.erocc.com/) event is in a little over TWO WEEKS!!!! Get those entry's in... spots are filling up, and we are only taking 40 vehicles this go around. We have new obstacles, and new slants on old obstacles. I guarantee you'll have even more fun this go round.

I was asked if that weekend was good for us, and responded yes, all of the weeks before and after are also busy one way or another. I beleive their thought process was let's get this done even though it overlaps, I've discussed this with the NeuRock and Eroc and even Eroc realises there were no other choices, thats why they have on Labor day weekend also. We realize that the best on the east coast, if involved with a series or points race, would not be able to make Paragon, and we're sorry, next season the schedules won't conflict and there will be plenty of dates back east for everyone to enjoy. Even ProRock and RCAA are scheduled on the same weekend in Sept.

Again we are sorry, and we hope to still put on a great show, Our hop[e is to pull more of the northern guys down while understanding that the southern guys will be at EROC. Bigdude I decided to respond here to this post instead of the PM, Again Sorry.

Rich

Thanks for the clarification.

I guess I assumed that you (Big Rich) had set the date. After seeing all the good work you'd done out West for Cal ROCS I was curious as to what could've happened. I now understand and apologize if you felt i had directed the comment in a negative way towards you. I appreciate everything you've done for the sport.

I guess whoever cooked up the NeuRock event in the first place just didn't do enough homework to realize there was another event scheduled. I have to give you guys credit "Jeepinchad" because I've had many comment on how happy they were about the dates you chose due to the lack of conflicting events.

Is there someone on this board who originally scheduled the event for NeuRock? I'm just wondering if he knew about the other competition ahead of time or if he just didn't think of the overlap possibility?

I just called them again to ask about the cage rules, and the woman that answered said "Ask Rich Klein" about the rules.

So Rich, it says in the rules:
Roll Bars and Cages
Roll bars and cage must be of welded assembly, of at least 1.5" magnetic steel tubing and attached to the frame mounting points. Roll bars and cage must enclose the driver's area. If the spotter is riding the roll bar and cage must enclose the spotter. The roll bar and cage must be able to support the vehicle under the loads of a rollover, as determined by a neuRoc Official.

So does that mean that my 6 point in my TJ that is bolted to plates on the floor is not good enough to enter your contest (pro modified class)?

Also my friend Bobby would like to enter in your "modified stock" class - but he has only the stock TJ "sport cage" or whatever. Can he enter?

Thanks,
Phil

Attached to the frame mounting points tends me to believe that the cage must be tied into the frame. We had some pretty rough rollovers at our April event... would have hated to been in either one of those rigs with a cage simply bolted to the floor of the tub.

Originally posted by jeepinchad
Attached to the frame mounting points tends me to believe that the cage must be tied into the frame. We had some pretty rough rollovers at our April event... would have hated to been in either one of those rigs with a cage simply bolted to the floor of the tub.

Rough rollovers at Paragon? It's FLAT. We're not talkin' Gaurdrail Trail here...

Phil

Originally posted by Big Rich
I've discussed this with the NeuRock and Eroc and even Eroc realises there were no other choices, thats why they have on Labor day weekend also.
Rich

Rich,

There are many other choices that NeuRoc could have made. After all, there are 52 weeks in the year. Darrel from ERoCC called you to confirm your date and find out about your event, but on the phone and off the top of his head he didn't know of a date to suggest.

There are plenty of other choices. In fact, the weekend of September 14-15 is currently still open. It is one week before an ARCA event, two weeks before a CalRocs event, and a week after the ERoCC event.

ERoCC spent two weeks in January and researched all of the event dates before we set our dates to make sure that we did not conflict with any other events. We would expect any other well-organized event to be as considerate to the other events out there, as well as the competitors.

Also, Labor day weekend is August 31 - September 2. There is not an ERoCC event on that weekend, as your post indicates.

We have many people involved in the ERoCC event that can't compete because they help setup the event. They would really like to compete in your event, if it wasn't the same weekend.

Tim

Originally posted by jeepinchad
Attached to the frame mounting points tends me to believe that the cage must be tied into the frame. We had some pretty rough rollovers at our April event... would have hated to been in either one of those rigs with a cage simply bolted to the floor of the tub.

Oh, and I read it the same way as you did, but I just don't think there are enough Jeeps with frame attached cages in the east to make a competition. Especially in the "Modified Stock" class.\

How many Jeeps do you know that have stock axles, stock body, stock steering, stock suspension, 35" or smaller tires and a full frame tied cage?

I can probably build some tie-ins for my front bars - but I'm just saying, it's seems a bit much for Paragon...

Rich? They say it's your show - what say you?

Phil

Originally posted by 1TONTJ


Rough rollovers at Paragon? It's FLAT. We're not talkin' Gaurdrail Trail here...

Phil

You haven't been to Paragon in a while. There is a new trail there called Death Vally and there is one hell of a spot that you can go rite over back wards. Oh yeah what about the death spike on under taker?

I still don't think you need frame tie-ins for a single backward roll.

Maybe at guardrail (if you manage to get over that new net - that thing is huge) but not at Paragon.

But hey - if the rules are staying that way - then I will try to tie my cage to the frame. BUT - I still don't think you are going to get enough guys with frame tied cages in Paragon - especially in the modifed stock class...

Phil

Originally posted by 1TONTJ
I still don't think you need frame tie-ins for a single backward roll.

Maybe at guardrail (if you manage to get over that new net - that thing is huge) but not at Paragon.

But hey - if the rules are staying that way - then I will try to tie my cage to the frame. BUT - I still don't think you are going to get enough guys with frame tied cages in Paragon - especially in the modifed stock class...

Phil

I do have to agree with you Phil

Originally posted by 1TONTJ
I still don't think you need frame tie-ins for a single backward roll.

Maybe at guardrail (if you manage to get over that new net - that thing is huge) but not at Paragon.

But hey - if the rules are staying that way - then I will try to tie my cage to the frame. BUT - I still don't think you are going to get enough guys with frame tied cages in Paragon - especially in the modifed stock class...

Phil

I think it's going to end up as "If you want to compete you have to have a full cage tied in at 6 points" deal. That will force people to be safe rather than sorry. Besides, if someone REALLY wants to compete they'll get it done. Just like when someone REALLY wants to stop breaking axles and run big tires, they find a way to perform/afford the swaps.

Originally posted by bigdude


I think it's going to end up as "If you want to compete you have to have a full cage tied in at 6 points" deal. That will force people to be safe rather than sorry. Besides, if someone REALLY wants to compete they'll get it done. Just like when someone REALLY wants to stop breaking axles and run big tires, they find a way to perform/afford the swaps.

But it would REALLY suck if there were no competitors :flipoff2:


Like I said, I will try and do it if I have to, but how many will?

This guy ran at Calrocs - under calrocs rules, does he have six frame tie-ins?
(Edited to show better picture of no frame tie-ins running Calrocs)

http://www.calrocs.com/amador/Image075.jpg

Phil

I'm with BigDude. My Jeep does not have the cage tied to the frame. I don't plan on competing in it. If I were planning on competing, I'd tie it in someway, somehow. After seeing the Unimog roll at our event, I'd much rather have too much cage than not enough. The Unimog had plenty of cage, but man, he took a hard hit.

From what I heard Paragon called the appropriate people for scheduling but with trying to compete with so many conflicting schedules it is hard. West coast, east coast, Paragon, ARCA, Eroc, thats a hell of a lot of schedules. ItonTj it must of been a while since you were at Paragon if its flat to you. I think you ran M last time you were here and it spanked you on the hill. There are rolls there all the time that are two to three times over. Flat??????????

Originally posted by JrP
From what I heard Paragon called the appropriate people for scheduling but with trying to compete with so many conflicting schedules it is hard. West coast, east coast, Paragon, ARCA, Eroc, thats a hell of a lot of schedules.


Yes, it IS hard to schedule. There's no one to call. You have to do your homework, talk to your competitors, check all the major websites, and check the magazines. We managed to schedule 4 events without conflicting with any other major event anywhere else in the US. NeuRoc couldn't even manage to schedule 1 event without conflicting with another event of the same type in the same region.

I would hope that the reason NeuRoc scheduled their date was due to lack of planning and forethought, rather than trying to steal the thunder from a brand new organization. If it was the latter, that is not a very good way to advance the sport of rock crawling.

Normally, I wouldn't be this rude, but I have been watching this board for a while, and found that being rude and to the point is "The Pirate Way"!

Tim

Originally posted by JrP
From what I heard Paragon called the appropriate people for scheduling but with trying to compete with so many conflicting schedules it is hard. West coast, east coast, Paragon, ARCA, Eroc, thats a hell of a lot of schedules. ItonTj it must of been a while since you were at Paragon if its flat to you. I think you ran M last time you were here and it spanked you on the hill. There are rolls there all the time that are two to three times over. Flat??????????

Last time was in April, and yes I got stuck on m-trail.

Still don't think you need a frame tie-in.
Obviously niether did calrocs by the pic I posted...

Phil

If I have portals can I run in the stock modified class?

Ron

I was at PAP last month and I saw many a spot for multiple rollovers. Get over it, build your cage right or stop :crybaby2: As stated above, if you want to do it, you'll find a way. I've built a frame on my junk just so I could tie a cage into it. Money is tight this summer so I can't afford my winch (who needs one anyway?) so I don't get to compete this year. Next year, I'll be GETTIN IT AWWNNNNN

Easy

Originally posted by TrailKeeper



Yes, it IS hard to schedule. There's no one to call. You have to do your homework, talk to your competitors, check all the major websites, and check the magazines. We managed to schedule 4 events without conflicting with any other major event anywhere else in the US. NeuRoc couldn't even manage to schedule 1 event without conflicting with another event of the same type in the same region.

I would hope that the reason NeuRoc scheduled their date was due to lack of planning and forethought, rather than trying to steal the thunder from a brand new organization. If it was the latter, that is not a very good way to advance the sport of rock crawling.



You hit the nail on the head.

I'll say it..... Looks like the guy who planned the date for this event was either too lazy to research or just an idiot.

That's a picture of Ron's brown jeep and it does have the cage tied in to the frame. If you want to compete please tie it at leat in the four spots around the drivers area. I don't care if the terrain is flat, if there are rocks you can roll. If you've run or seen a Roggy designed course, you'll tie the cage in. It's truly a simple process. Plates on the bottom of the floor bent a peice of tube and weld to frame. The fron tof a TJ frame, if the windsheild is in place is designed asa roll protection. Just tie the back in.

As far as date are concerned, I DID NOT SET THE DATE...they asked me if that date WAS GOOD FOR ME...and I said yes...Paragon set the date acoording to what they wanted or could do. I don't think it will hurt EEROC's competition, and I agree that on another weekend it would help Neurock. Tim I suggest YOU call them with your concerns. This will be their first competition (I believe) so a smaller more controllable event might be better. Most of their spectators will be from the surrounding area, people used to coming to the park or locals checking it out.
I may be wrong, but that's what happens out west.

Rich

Ps They have ask us to answer all questions on rules, scoring and classes, because we wrote the things, but the rest of the show is theirs, with our help in anyway they wish.

Thanks for the reply Rich.
Guess I have more fab to do.

And I guess my friend (with a stock TJ sport bar) will not be able to compete.

Phil

3 months to do an up grade that even on the street can safe your life or that of your loved ones........:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
plenty of time if someones not looking for excuses

:D :D :D

Rich

frame tie ins are a great idea but not required i consider body mounts as a frame tie in (they must be in good condition) general rule if the cage is connected directly to the frame then the seats and belts need to be tied to the cage, stock tj bars are fine for stock class as long as they retain the windshield frame.

That's why we have Bob:D :D

Rich

Thanks Bob, Everything is going great in Phoenix, except it's hot as hell......

I cant wait for the event.. What airport are you Cali boys flying into. If its Newark, I could possibly give you a ride to the event. Forget all the schedule conflicts. This is the start of something awesome....... Rock On:rasta:

We'll fly out in july, but I'll probably drive out in Sept. want to see some of the country and tow the rigs. Or we'll ship the rigs?
I'll no more later and thanks for the offer.

Rich

For those of you commenting on the dates of the event, my name is Kyle Knosp, I'm the General Manager for Paragon Adventure Park.

I would like to start by apologizing for the date conflict. We are not just an SUV park, we have ATVs, Mountainbikes, and many other user groups that we need to accommodate as well. Here is the breakdown of our dates: The first three weeks in August, our Premier Partner (not CalROCS) in NeuROC is out west doing events. Our park is booked the last weekend in August. The following weekend is Labor Day weekend, which is our busiest weekend of the year. September 14 & 15, the park is closed for an exclusive ATV event. September 20 & 21, the park is closed for an exclusive Motorbike event. September 27, 28 & 29 the park is closed for another exclusive SUV event. And that's just our schedule.

Once again, I do apologize; the date was not picked to steal any funds or participants away from any other event. We tried very hard to pick an appropriate date. We were pushed for time with advertisers and sponsors to get the date set.

Our park holds many events. The events usually pull from local or surrounding areas. We only expected to pull from the North East areas of the East Coast. This event has taken off better than anyone had anticipated. Again, we did not set out to damage or sabotage anyone else's event.

If anyone has any further questions, feel free to give me a call at (570) 384-0550.

Kyle,

Thank you, I greatly appreciate that clarification! Good luck with your event!

Tim

Another hard decision............... We have a Canadian Rock Crawl the same weekend. What are the prizes, rafles and fees for this event? I have to weigh my options :D

But I won't wine about frame tie ins :flipoff2: :rolleyes:

Hey Flexxy, you going to have a truck by then, or are you just blowing hot air:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Bob
frame tie ins are a great idea but not required i consider body mounts as a frame tie in (they must be in good condition) general rule if the cage is connected directly to the frame then the seats and belts need to be tied to the cage, stock tj bars are fine for stock class as long as they retain the windshield frame.

Are you speaking for the Nueroc competition? Because what you said goes against what Rich said. And I was told Rich has the authority?


I'm going to try to do the "body mount style" tie-in, but my friend Bobby would like to compete in the modified stock class and he has a stock sport bar...

Thanks,
Phil

Originally posted by K1
September 20 & 21, the park is closed for an exclusive Motorbike event.


Then why is this stuff not on your web site? You changed to the "open park - no guides" stuff, so about a dozen of us (so far) have booked time off work and planned to go there from Sept. 2oth to the 23rd. Now we can't go because the park is closed to Jeeps? When I called last month to ask if it was open that week, and did we have to book the women on the phone said no problem...
Hell your own web site calender:
ParagonAP September (http://216.22.230.221/calendar/default.asp?month=9&year=2002)
has nothing that weekend either.
But now we can't go?

You guys need to get your shit together - if it's open and you can just show up - then keep it that way. If there are events where the park is closed then they should be on your web site...

What is the procedure for "booking" the park you aren't supposed to need to book for a small group?

Phil Jensen

Originally posted by 1TONTJ


Are you speaking for the Nueroc competition? Because what you said goes against what Rich said. And I was told Rich has the authority?


I'm going to try to do the "body mount style" tie-in, but my friend Bobby would like to compete in the modified stock class and he has a stock sport bar...

Thanks,
Phil

I think Bobs probably the word on cage design.

Hey Kyle, I think Phil is chucking shit at you.
Ban him from the park............that will shut him up.........:flipoff2:

Great way to make friends and influence people............ask them questions, then freak on them:rolleyes:

The question about cage requirements was seperate (and it was asked by multiple phone messages, and emails to paragonap which were never answered), then after waiting weeks with no answer I called again and the woman told me to "ask Rich", if that was the answer then they could have replied to my messages with that.

As for freaking out, maybe my words were harsh - I apologize, but it really sucks making palns to meet everyone there - then them closing the park and not letting anyone know.

I just want to know what the actual procedure is, so we can not have this kind of srew up again. (plus it would be nice if they returned phone calls or emails)


I have been to Paragon twice and loved it enough to try and get a bunch of people to go on a date when nothing was scheduled - whats wrong with that?

Thanks,
Phil

Originally posted by 1TONTJ
The question about cage requirements was seperate (and it was asked by multiple phone messages, and emails to paragonap which were never answered), then after waiting weeks with no answer I called again and the woman told me to "ask Rich", if that was the answer then they could have replied to my messages with that.

As for freaking out, maybe my words were harsh - I apologize, but it really sucks making palns to meet everyone there - then them closing the park and not letting anyone know.

I just want to know what the actual procedure is, so we can not have this kind of srew up again. (plus it would be nice if they returned phone calls or emails)


I have been to Paragon twice and loved it enough to try and get a bunch of people to go on a date when nothing was scheduled - whats wrong with that?

Thanks,
Phil


:crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :shaking:

I'll probably be goin.

Originally posted by mudlite



:crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :shaking:

Thanks for the the usefull info (as usual with you) :rolleyes:

Phil

I didn't know you were requesting info, I just thought you were:crybaby: . I gave you good info, and you acted on it, and apologized for your rudeness.:flipoff2:

Ah the irony, of YOU giving etiquette lessons.
:rolleyes:

You are the most etiquette challenged person I have ever met.
But enough of this, you have nothing usefull to contribute to this thread, and I don't know why I am wasting my time answering your messages again...

Phil

Originally posted by mudlite
Another hard decision............... We have a Canadian Rock Crawl the same weekend. What are the prizes, rafles and fees for this event? I have to weigh my options :D

But I won't wine about frame tie ins :flipoff2: :rolleyes:

Hey Flexxy, you going to have a truck by then, or are you just blowing hot air:flipoff2:


Mud I keep getting closer! They are all done now I just need to start putting them in. The rear is going in first. Not to sure if I will have all of the bugs worked out befor the comp but I sure hope too. Plus if I don't I will be spotting for 1MEANYJ. So what's the deal am I going to see you there?

What shall we do with you Phil?

You take things too damn serious, especially yourself.

Take a pill , and welcome to POR:flipoff2:

Originally posted by FLEXYSAMMY



Mud I keep getting closer! They are all done now I just need to start putting them in. The rear is going in first. Not to sure if I will have all of the bugs worked out befor the comp but I sure hope too. Plus if I don't I will be spotting for 1MEANYJ. So what's the deal am I going to see you there?

Not sure. I need more info, like cost, prizes, raffle........etc.
All they have on the site is 10.00 per spectator. I have a few other events that month, and can't travel every weekend. Its suposed to be a hobby, not an obsession:D

OK, its beyond obsession.:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by mudlite


Not sure. I need more info, like cost, prizes, raffle........etc.
All they have on the site is 10.00 per spectator. I have a few other events that month, and can't travel every weekend. Its suposed to be a hobby, not an obsession:D

OK, its beyond obsession.:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Mud you want to contact this guy he can answer all of your questions. Oh yeah by the way you rite this is now a full on obsession!!!!

Rich Klein ( BIGRICH)
CalROCS www.calrocs.com
bigrich@calrocs.com
1-530-622-0370 evenings
1-530-626-9451 daytime
1-530-306-5343 cell

I just called ParagonAP again, and they said the weekend of September 21-23 is ok for our planned trip. They are sending me a form to fill out and send in a deposit to lock us in. I will be doing this ASAP.

So, I guess if anyone else needs to know; the best thing to do for a small group is to request a form and send in a deposit.

Hope that helps anyone else trying to plan a trip there.

Thanks,
Phil

I just talked to the appropriate people at Paragon. That weekend is open, and if you want to come out, a deposit will guarantee you a spot. Otherwise they can book it closed if somebody buys it out. You can't call a few months ahead of time saying that we think we will be there and expect them to hold it open. Lock in a deposit and it will be there for you.

About the cage thing.... Paragon doesn't make the rules for NeuROC, CalROCS does. So don't get upset at them for not answering your questions. This is their first year, they are learning as along with the rest of us. Talk to the CalROCS people about rules, they are more than happy to help and answer your questions.

So Calrocs people would be "Big Rich" who says everyone needs a cage including modified stock?

Or would it be "Bob" who says frame tie in is optional and stock sport bar is ok for modified stock if they keep the windshield open?

I don't know who "Bob" is, but BigDude said he is the "word" on cage design. No-one disputed that. So which is it?

Thanks,
Phil
I will _probably_ do a frame tie-in either way, but others will not and will want to know.

Originally posted by 1TONTJ


Or would it be "Bob" who says frame tie in is optional and stock sport bar is ok for modified stock if they keep the windshield open?

I don't know who "Bob" is, but BigDude said he is the "word" on cage design. No-one disputed that. So which is it?



I believe that "Bob" is Bob Roggy who designs the courses and probably advises on the tech inspections judging by his response. Bob works with Rich and from the info I've read will also be out for the event and designing the courses.

Thanks for the info bigdude.

I'm just trying to clear this up, because I am trying to get some of my local Jeep club guys to compete, and they don't have cages.

But, I guess I will wait for Rich or Bob to let us know which answer is right.

Thanks,
Phil

Phil

1TONTJ......go with what Bob stated. Bob is the ultimate authority
on safety. He'll be doing the inspections and setting the course, Bob and I work together, but he is the MAN in these issues.

Rich
CalROCS

Thanks for clearing that up. I will pass the word along to the other guys (then I dont have to drive down from Canada alone ;) )

Hopefully we can get a few of us from the ottawa Jeep club to come down.

Phil

That would be great. I just hope that you eastern Canadians are as much fun as your western brothers.

Rich

BigRich: Here are a few more questions from other inquisitive Canadians :D

What is the entry fee going to be and what does it cover?
Is there a meal plan?
Can we skip on the meal plan?
What sort of rafle or prizes are there?

Sorry but those are not questions I can answer. Bob and I can answer questions reguarding, rules, points, and classification limitations.

But I'll be glad to join in any BBQ you guys might have in mind.
You Canadians do BBQ, don't you?:D

Or are you guys on a strict canadian diet:D

By the way, what is considered Canadian menu items, besides caribou, moose, muskrat, beaver, etc.

Rich

I prefer a good sirloin inch and a half thick on the BBQ instead of caribou...

You would be welcome to stop by and have a Canadian Beer and a steak with us.

Phil

Originally posted by Big Rich
Sorry but those are not questions I can answer. Bob and I can answer questions reguarding, rules, points, and classification limitations.

But I'll be glad to join in any BBQ you guys might have in mind.
You Canadians do BBQ, don't you?:D

Or are you guys on a strict canadian diet:D

By the way, what is considered Canadian menu items, besides caribou, moose, muskrat, beaver, etc.

Rich

So who should I direct these question to then?

I'd bring a seal to throw on the barbee, but I'm fresh out.:crybaby2: So generous amounts of Poutine will be dished out with a side order of Beaver tail.

for others questions try calling 570-384-0550

Rich