As some of you may know I have broke several 27 spline chro' mo stubs over the past year. Well I'm done with this shit! I made a call to Warn and ordered some 30 spline stubs that are claimed to be 33% stronger than the 27 spline ones. now that I have them coming I needed to find some hubs. In true IH fashion I wanted something cheap :flipoff2: So I went to the junk yard and pulled some 30 spline Asin hubs from a solid axle toyota. To my suprise the almost fit perfect! The only mod needed to make these work is to file a 1/16 of an inch toward the center of the hub in each of the six bolt holes (see pic). I used my old Warn hub to be sure I filed enough from each bolt hole (pic #2). As for the shaft length (8.72 inches) it fits in the hub perfect as well.

Now you need to test fit the hub, if it fits get a cold beer cuz your done!!! Most of us know that stock Dana 60 come with 30 spline stubs. What we Dana 44 owners now have is the BIG BADASS Warn version of that stub. In short you now have is a TRUE 30 spline Dana 44 axle and a strong hub that can be found on just about every trail that a Toyota can follow you down :flipoff2:

Be Warned I Have Not Tested This Mod, I Have Only Mounted It Up! I Will Let All Of You Know How It Holds This Weekend :laughing:

Uhh, time for a 60?

whats the spline count on a dana 30>>>????:confused:

Uhh, time for a 60?

I will never :flipoff2:

Did you even read :confused:

I will never :flipoff2:

Did you even read :confused:

I just saw fucking around and headed straight down here to put up a jackass comment. :flipoff2:

So now you can run 35's before the shaft ears/u-joint/R&P go?

IMHO 33's arn't even safe on a 44 R&P if its locked.

^^^ You don't get out much do you?

















:flipoff2::shaking::flipoff2::shaking:

^^^ You don't get out much do you?

FYI I've been running a SII 44 front with superiors and bobby long joints with an ARB on 40's for years. I have never had antthing fail but these stubs. I only rock crawl and play in the snow with a TBI 350.

Its too bad that Warn is the only place you can get those. They are short too, like 7.5" or something. I tried to get dutchman to make me a set in 9" so I could run the GM outers I had with 30spline flanges and they wouldnt. Something about having the bearing surface on the shaft ground in and my spindles not having big enough hole. I told them not to worry about it and just make it and they still said no. Bitches.

Originally Posted by BLK Scout 800 View Post
^^^ You don't get out much do you?

FYI I've been running a SII 44 front with superiors and bobby long joints with an ARB on 40's for years. I have never had antthing fail but these stubs. I only rock crawl and play in the snow with a TBI 350.



Reefin on it, aired down 33" mudrovers.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/larboc/DSC_0114.jpg
:flipoff2:

that is funny, upgrading to a yota hub..

Very cool though, I might just try that - but then again I am lazy and I'll have to break a few lifetime warranty milemarkers first (one down allready)

Its too bad that Warn is the only place you can get those. They are short too, like 7.5" or something. I tried to get dutchman to make me a set in 9" so I could run the GM outers I had with 30spline flanges and they wouldnt. Something about having the bearing surface on the shaft ground in and my spindles not having big enough hole. I told them not to worry about it and just make it and they still said no. Bitches.

Superior is in the 30 spline game now :grinpimp: You have to talk to a rep tho...

Originally Posted by BLK Scout 800 View Post

Reefin on it, aired down 33" mudrovers.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/larboc/DSC_0114.jpg
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Shit like that happens, just not to me! Call me a smart wheeler :emb:

Sent this in a PM but here it is for the masses.

I talked with Eric this morning about his Jeep. ....snip....He gave some warnings on the 30-spline stuff ~ as he went that direction and got caught with his pants down once or twice.

First, Driveslugs are expensive and are available through WARN. He's got the lockouts and reports little breakage. However, he warned that when they do break, there is no easy replacement for them so no-one will carry a spare or a new set in stock. He says order two sets just in case.

On the spindle, the stock spindle may not work ~ it didn't with him. The 30-spline stuff was just too big. He did try boring out his stock spindles but that didn't work due to the groove (for the keeper washer between the lock-nuts) was too deep and he ended up ruining his stock spindles.

Over-all he warned that: 1) buy two sets of lockouts (as replacements are impossible to find) 2) make sure you have enough meat in the spindles if you need to bore them out. WARN has new spindles but Eric says they cost more than the stubshafts 3) you can go with drive flanges but they are expensive and he's already tore the splines out of 2 sets (in rear use). That said, he's never had problems with lockouts in the back.

Hope that helps and gives you some useful information.

D



I edited that just a touch.

I'll second that as far as price goes. My drive slugs were around $225 for my 30 spline FF rear. Picked up some 30 spline locking hubs for spares. They were around $100.

But, he's running external hubs so all of that is a wash.

If you are regularly breaking 44 chromoly shit its time for a 60. Some people can get away with a built up 44, but apparently not you, for you all your doing is polishing a turd, and blowing a butt load of cash on it when you could be building an axle that will hold up. Never say never:D

X2

just spend the 400 bucks now to get a decent axle that you won't have to keep screwing with.

I really don't break anything but stubs maybe twice a season and that's it. These new stubs are going to cure my problem, so now I'm set :grinpimp:


Back to the Dana 44 tech :shaking::shaking:

Reefin on it, aired down 33" mudrovers.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l96/larboc/DSC_0114.jpg
:flipoff2:


Looks like your pinion bearings failed. If you think that bearings can't fail on a dana 60, or any other axle, you are more of a dipshit than I though.

With all that money you have into your 44 you could of got a 60. I spent $450 on my dana 60 complete. Ready to bolt in my 74' Scout II. Sure it might be open and not locked but at least I won't brake anything.

With all that money you have into your 44 you could of got a 60. I spent $450 on my dana 60 complete. Ready to bolt in my 74' Scout II. Sure it might be open and not locked but at least I won't brake anything.

The point you are failing to see is that your 60 has weaker stubs than my 44 :flipoff2: However if you upgrade to chro mo 30 spline outers then we will have the same junk :spam:

He more pix for all you 44 hate'n mofo's

Warn 30 spline vs broke 27 spline chro mo

The point you are failing to see is that your 60 has weaker stubs than my 44 :flipoff2: However if you upgrade to chro mo 30 spline outers then we will have the same junk :spam:

Point taken but in the dana 60 I would upgrade to the 35 spline. Don't get me wrong that upgrade is just what you need but if you brake shafts alot then you should look into getting something stronger. :shaking:

The point you are failing to see is that your 60 has weaker stubs than my 44 :flipoff2: However if you upgrade to chro mo 30 spline outers then we will have the same junk :spam:

yeah but not if you upgrade to 35spline chromo's!:smokin::smokin: take that you sum bitch!! o i just love pirate!!

yeah but not if you upgrade to 35spline chromo's!:smokin::smokin: take that you sum bitch!! o i just love pirate!!


Damn you guys really know how to fuck up some good tech :flipoff2:

My scout tips the scale at 3600lbs I have no need for 1 ton junk :shaking: :flipoff2:

...My scout tips the scale at 3600lbs...

Then it is no longer a scout. A scout must weigh AT LEAST 7000# wheelable curb weight.

The point you are failing to see is that your 60 has weaker stubs than my 44 :flipoff2: However if you upgrade to chro mo 30 spline outers then we will have the same junk :spam:

What I am trying to get across can be seen in the picture. You can get 50 spline dana 44 stubs, but then you probably will start blowing ujoints, hubs, knuckles, ect. You might solve the problem now but not later. I am not trying to be a dick, but look at the joint size difference ect. You said you are only a 3700 lb buggy and dont need one ton stuff, then why did you have to go from 19 spline, to 27 spline, to now 30 spline. Those toy hubs are gonna go:nuke:.

What I am trying to get across can be seen in the picture. You can get 50 spline dana 44 stubs, but then you probably will start blowing ujoints, hubs, knuckles, ect. You might solve the problem now but not later. I am not trying to be a dick, but look at the joint size difference ect. You said you are only a 3700 lb buggy and dont need one ton stuff, then why did you have to go from 19 spline, to 27 spline, to now 30 spline. Those toy hubs are gonna go:nuke:.


Don't forget that last year his truck was still a full bodied rig. He's gotten lighter since then. Also, I think 19 spline shafts are bigger than 27 splines but I'm probably wrong. I think the only reson he's running them is because his axle is ALL scout still.

All you guys with 60's are kidding your selfs with this whole :nuke: proof axle BS. Shit still breaks. I witnessed a 35 spline hub and a 35 spline yukon stub break in 2 different trucks. 120 to 1 low at IDLE with big block and 42's. Snappy-roo.

What I am trying to get across can be seen in the picture. You can get 50 spline dana 44 stubs, but then you probably will start blowing ujoints, hubs, knuckles, ect. You might solve the problem now but not later. I am not trying to be a dick, but look at the joint size difference ect. You said you are only a 3700 lb buggy and dont need one ton stuff, then why did you have to go from 19 spline, to 27 spline, to now 30 spline. Those toy hubs are gonna go:nuke:.

300m U joints dont blow (bobby has not got'n one back)

Hubs? ok maybe I'll get slugs........maybe but I doubt it

The next thing I'll break will be the ujoint at the pinion or t-case (both will be toyota (like my rear) if they go.


BOTTOM LINE IS THIS: Everything breaks, sometimes very easy (guys I wheel with break Alloy 35 spline stubs on shit I go through) it happens. I want the strongest 44 I can get (superior inners, bobbylong joints, warn 30 spline outers, ARB and so on) before I jump on the ''60 is god'' waggon. When I made this thread I wasn't trying to get in a pissing match (60 vs 44) I was simply trying to bring in some new 44 tech... period.

Don't forget that last year his truck was still a full bodied rig. He's gotten lighter since then. Also, I think 19 spline shafts are bigger than 27 splines but I'm probably wrong. I think the only reson he's running them is because his axle is ALL scout still.

All you guys with 60's are kidding your selfs with this whole :nuke: proof axle BS. Shit still breaks. I witnessed a 35 spline hub and a 35 spline yukon stub break in 2 different trucks. 120 to 1 low at IDLE with big block and 42's. Snappy-roo.

Yes you are right I kept on with the scout 27 spline because I'm an idiot. I had no idea that they were smaller, infact the SII stubs are only 1/32 of an inch bigger than a STOCK SAMURAI AXLE :eek: :shaking: :eek:

X2

just spend the 400 bucks now to get a decent axle that you won't have to keep screwing with.

I think that is what he is doing.... :shaking::shaking:

Maybe in BFE USA you can get a 60 for $400 but on the west coast try $1000....

and no, I DON'T have anything better to be doing right now.

Can we please get back to some real tech..............


So my stock spindle was not big enough to to fit the 30 spline shaft, so I had to drill it out. I decided to cross check the toyota spindle and it turned out to be 1 3/8 of an inch ID. Next I had to try and find a drill bit that big, ya it took a while but I did find one for 76.00$ :eek: SOLD!! LOL

It took me about 30 min to drill out each one (I did 3 so I have a spare). Now test fit and press in the u joint....DONE!!

:beer::beer::beer::beer:

300m U joints dont blow (bobby has not got'n one back)

Hubs? ok maybe I'll get slugs........maybe but I doubt it

The next thing I'll break will be the ujoint at the pinion or t-case (both will be toyota (like my rear) if they go.


BOTTOM LINE IS THIS: Everything breaks, sometimes very easy (guys I wheel with break Alloy 35 spline stubs on shit I go through) it happens. I want the strongest 44 I can get (superior inners, bobbylong joints, warn 30 spline outers, ARB and so on) before I jump on the ''60 is god'' waggon. When I made this thread I wasn't trying to get in a pissing match (60 vs 44) I was simply trying to bring in some new 44 tech... period.

Back to the tech, on those Aisan hubs, you can get hub gears from bobby long. They have a lifetime warranty i believe. (i know they do if you buy the hub gears, longs and shafts)

Damn you guys really know how to fuck up some good tech :flipoff2:

My scout tips the scale at 3600lbs I have no need for 1 ton junk :shaking: :flipoff2:

well if my weights serve me right your rig is atleast 1 1/2 tons so therefore you need a dana 60 just for the hell of it... o and dont break your new invention this weekend. dont let brian talk you into breaking something either:flipoff2:

dont let brian talk you into breaking something either:flipoff2:

TOO LATE :flipoff2:

I did find one for 76.00$ :eek: SOLD!! LOL
:beer::beer::beer::beer:

OUCH $$$$$

Back to the tech, on those Aisan hubs, you can get hub gears from bobby long. They have a lifetime warranty i believe. (i know they do if you buy the hub gears, longs and shafts)



I like this guy.....



thanks I'll be talking with bobby soon :smokin:

Can we please get back to some real tech..............


So my stock spindle was not big enough to to fit the 30 spline shaft, so I had to drill it out. I decided to cross check the toyota spindle and it turned out to be 1 3/8 of an inch. Next I had to try and find a drill bit that big, ya it took a while but I did find one for 76.00$ :eek: SOLD!! LOL

It took me about 30 min to drill out each one (I did 3 so I have a spare). Now test fit and press in the u joint....DONE!!

:beer::beer::beer::beer:

Pix added...

thats one hell of a drill bit:eek::eek:

thats one hell of a drill bit:eek::eek:


I'm packing the biggest :eek: :flipoff2:

I'm packing the biggest :eek: :flipoff2:

yeah and it looks like its a tight fit too!:flipoff2: no slop in that spindle:laughing:

yeah and it looks like its a tight fit too!:flipoff2: no slop in that spindle:laughing:


It happens :emb3: :flipoff2:

Any spindle strength concerns with the outer bearing?

I thought I saw something like this on a rear FF conversion?

Maybe Carl or Dan?

Any spindle strength concerns with the outer bearing?

I thought I saw something like this on a rear FF conversion?

Maybe Carl or Dan?

Dan (Binderbound) has a FF Dana 44 of his own design in the rear of his green Scout. Mine is a bone stock Scout II rear end.

I took my spindle to 1.37". I felt that was good enough for inner clearance and still had enough meat for the outer bearing and nut.

Dropped off some big ledges and a few stupid high speed rabbits, so far all is well.

I'm scared to see how much run out that bit had :eek:

What are you doing about the needle bering inside the spindle that supports the stub shaft?

I'm scared to see how much run out that bit had :eek:


Not much, because when I went clear through the spindle the bit was just touching the spindle bearings all the way around causing them to spin a tad.

Even so this thing never goes over 10 mph.

What are you doing about the needle bering inside the spindle that supports the stub shaft?

The bit clears by a few 1,000's :smokin:

Did you try to put a spindle nut back on the spindle yet ?

Even if you can get the nut back on , I see that keyed / threaded area breaking of the minute you try to torque down the spindle nuts .

It's all done and on the trailer :flipoff2: Why would the spindle nut not fit??

I'll put it to the test tomorrow you'll see :grinpimp:

It's all done and on the trailer :flipoff2: Why would the spindle nut not fit??

I'll put it to the test tomorrow you'll see :grinpimp:

dont let brian drive it espically when its on the trailer, you know how he can get a little crazy while towing a scout up in your area:flipoff2::shaking: lucky his scout stayed on:laughing:

You've built a capable scout that weighs 2,000lbs less than most and this D44 tech shows it. I like how you think.

This forum has been starving for some good tech.

Thanks that means alot to me. It took alot to be where I'm at with my scout, hell 1yr ago it was a full on scout (5,000 plus) :eek:

Why would the spindle nut not fit??


Considering that you drilled thru into the key way the thread either flared out or collapsed in .

Well it held great all weekend!!!

I had the front end off the ground and came down hard several times. This mod is 100% safe and strong for any trail rig, IDK about on road DD type stuff. I'll post pix when my buddies e-mail them to me.

Dude I hope you have a good life insurance policy, you've just made the market value and all aftermarket parts for the 60 obsolete and may have put several people out of business that sell parts for front 60's. :rolleyes:

I'll give you an A for effort, but I think you may have moved the problem elsewhere. Keep us posted on the outcome, I'm interested to see if it holds up.

This mod is 100% safe and strong for any trail rig,
After 1 trail run you came to that conclusion!!


WOW, I wish I had your long-term product testing abilities, I could make a fortune.


I too am curious about long term. While a front 60 is in my future for the trail rig, some of my 'smaller tired' but hard beat rigs might benefit.... but I agree, you've moved the breakage elsewhere... I suspect R&P, you can always Cryo' those and gain a bit.. but a some point your just going to have to go bigger (or smaller tire).


Good Luck
:beer:

After 3 trail run you came to that conclusion!!


WOW, I wish I had your long-term product testing abilities, I could make a fortune.


Good Luck
:beer:

Fixed it for you :grinpimp:

Well it held great all weekend!!!

I had the front end off the ground and came down hard several times. This mod is 100% safe and strong for any trail rig, IDK about on road DD type stuff. I'll post pix when my buddies e-mail them to me.


Where's the pics?

The ones I took are in the weekend report, I have yet to get any of me :( Maybe Scout254 took some he is willing to share, after all he was there all weekend watching us all :smokin:

Maybe Scout254 took some he is willing to share, after all he was there all weekend watching us all :smokin:

yeah thats all hes good for:flipoff2::flipoff2:

Thought some of you would like to know I have over 4 months and plenty of hard trips on these with no issues yet. I'll keep everyone posted when I break something :D

Keep us all posted... I need to know how well those Scout 44's will hold up in my Jeep...:smokin:

Following this for future thoughts on my front as well...
Are you still running the scout 44 rear?
Are you considering a FF 44 rear with toyota discs / hubs there as well, with custom shafts?
Or whatever for the disc brakes, but using same approach as your front with the spindles and hubs for same spares for 4 corners?

Thanks-

(edit) saw chevy discs on rear in your sig - but same question applies to FF rear w/ toyota spindles & hubs.

Keep us all posted... I need to know how well those Scout 44's will hold up in my Jeep...:smokin:

They hold up very well. This vid is after several years of this kinda driving.
http://www.dandcextreme.com/upload/ejbounce.MOV
He's busted front stubs, but only twisted rears with a T18-wide, D300 w/ 4:1 and 4.89s. Since going to an Auto, I don't believe he's busted anything...

Following this for future thoughts on my front as well...
Are you still running the scout 44 rear? Yes 4.88's and spool (yet to break anything)Are you considering a FF 44 rear with toyota discs / hubs there as well, with custom shafts? I have thought about it, for now I run scoutII calipers/discs on the rear.
Or whatever for the disc brakes, but using same approach as your front with the spindles and hubs for same spares for 4 corners? maybe someday IDK

Thanks-

(edit) saw chevy discs on rear in your sig - but same question applies to FF rear w/ toyota spindles & hubs.

I'll keep ya posted :smokin:

Still holding :flipoff2:

Still holding :flipoff2:


Mine too :flipoff2: Nary a complaint from me as far as axle choice goes.


Are you considering a FF 44 rear with toyota discs / hubs there as well, with custom shafts?
Or whatever for the disc brakes, but using same approach as your front with the spindles and hubs for same spares for 4 corners?

Dude, do what I did. Run the chevy outers up front and then have Terry open up another set of chevy spindles for your rear. Bolt them on. Then you can run full 30 spline shafts from dutchman, FF style. The only thing that kind of bugs me is the fact I cant keep the drive flanges from leaking oil. They weep constantly.

Way to go on this tech and the follow through to keep us updated!

I had to go back and re read what you guys were talking about, then I stuck it in the FAQ.

Way to go on this tech and the follow through to keep us updated!

No problem! I feel this is a great way to make the front end more solid. I know it may sound crazy but I plan to run either the 40'' or 42'' Iroks this summer :)

Damn you guys really know how to fuck up some good tech :flipoff2:

My scout tips the scale at 3600lbs I have no need for 1 ton junk :shaking: :flipoff2:

oh my god it is another fool runnin d 44's ahhh. I FEEL YOUR PAIN blk scout.
i just ask for some damn link pics for a scout and mention i am runnin 44's and everyone tries to sell you that buy a d 60 spend a bunch of money on upgrades .. when a 44 with upgrades can run and last just as good. anything will break if it is pushed hard , and with enough thottle D 60's all the way to rocks included.
BTW glad to hear you are havin luck with the new stubs..and nice tech , good read

Ok what's up here, I see your selling your built up scout axles. Did you get good deal on something else?

Guna keep the 44's I'm about to start on the front 4 link with some 16'' fox shox.