Anyone know what makes this fawker so badass?

I saw it on Future Weapons and can find a little info on the H&K site, but opviously not enough to say how they imporved over the standard M4/M-16. I mean the dood shot 100 rds and grabbed the bolt right out of the upper.

The upper receiver is a gas piston operated system. Which means it's more reliable, and is less prone to jamming than your typical ar. it sure in the hell aint worth the prices people are asking for uppers.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=73770335

5500?? :eek::eek::eek:

Can buy a Sig 556 with a gas piston for a quarter of that, the entire rifle. :shaking:

The debate over gas piston uppers will rage on for a long time.

H&K makes some nice stuff, but their prices and ridiculous for what they offer and IIRC they aren't too civi-friendly. Kinda like Colt, people buy the name to feel good about themselves when the product is on par with more economically priced items from other companies. Though in this case there aren't too many companies offering piston driven uppers for AR's, so there's little competition. POF was offering one, but I don't know if they still are.

Gas piston upper. The 'new' thing in ARs. POFUSA and HK make ones that I know of.

Ok I type slow..so here is a Link! (www.pof-usa.com)

5500?? :eek::eek::eek:

Can buy a Sig 556 with a gas piston for a quarter of that, the entire rifle. :shaking:

Shit you can find a semi-auto Sig 551/552 for that price.

Did they do anything else? Is the operating method what supposedly makes it sooo sand/water resistant?

You can read a good bit about it here.

http://www.hkpro.com/hk416.htm

Gas piston upper. The 'new' thing in ARs. POFUSA and HK make ones that I know of.


And Bushmanster and LWRC and LMT and some other company that makes a conversion that is crap.

It has been almost an hour and Jason R has yet to post in an HK <superior to all> thread.

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The upper receiver is a gas piston operated system. Which means it's more reliable, and is less prone to jamming than your typical ar. it sure in the hell aint worth the prices people are asking for uppers.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=73770335
No, it means that it's heavier, has more parts to fail and MIGHT be more reliable after you dump 10,000 rounds through it without cleaning.

And Bushmanster and LWRC and LMT and some other company that makes a conversion that is crap.

The Bushy one is a POF, and they are both POS.


Gas piston conversions have been around since the 80s, they were unneeded then and unneeded now. They don't add anything except weight and more stuff to break.

It has been almost an hour and Jason R has yet to post in an HK <superior to all> thread.

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Haha. :flipoff2:

In all seriousness the HK gas piston uppers aren't that expensive. They're about $1200 for the upper and $1500 for the complete rifle. I have the LE price sheet around somewhere.

Unfortunately HK doesn't give two shits about civilians...and there's a VERY limited number of uppers in civilian hands, hence the outrageous prices for them. Even if they wanted to sell to civilians (they don't) they couldn't because of current non-sporting barrel ban Bush passed.

Gas piston uppers are still controversial, but I've read numerous articles of the military claiming they're much more reliable. USMCDoc seems to recommend them.

the they couldn't because of current non-sporting barrel ban Bush passed.

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What? :confused::confused:

USMCDoc seems to recommend them.

no :flipoff2::laughing:

i just like them :grinpimp: I may get bored and fucking MAKE one using a FAL adjustable bas block and SKS gas piston :laughing:

What? :confused::confused:

Google it.

5500?? :eek::eek::eek:

Can buy a Sig 556 with a gas piston for a quarter of that, the entire rifle. :shaking:

My SKS has a gas piston, and I paid $200...:confused:


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Google it.

Oh you are refering to the first Bush.

The ATF reinterpreted it to include barrels as well.

Yes, but I believe our current Bush renewed. I could be wrong...

Yes, but I believe our current Bush renewed. I could be wrong...

I don't remember the specifics, but I know what you are talking about. The ATF sent out a letter to surplus dealers about importing parts kits w/ barrels that don't make the cut anymore. (no pun intended).

it is a reinterpretation of the law. ATFE did this A year or two ago to include Barrel into the definition of weapon. Thus requiring barrels and receivers to be cut.

it is a reinterpretation of the law. ATFE did this A year or two ago to include Barrel into the definition of weapon. Thus requiring barrels and receivers to be cut.

I see imported parts kits with standard barrels for sale all the time.

not for much longer

not for much longer

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Fal and AK parts kits are getting more expensive. Why? Cause they cna't be imported anymore with barrels.

Do any SOT/Class 3 dealers import AKs and demill them? Then the barrels can be included.

Do any SOT/Class 3 dealers import AKs and demill them? Then the barrels can be included.

Except for that pesky fact that the barrel needs to be demilled as well.

Except for that pesky fact that the barrel needs to be demilled as well.

Why? I see HK parts kits (and even 416 uppers) that are sold with barrels intact.

When were they imported?

I see imported parts kits with standard barrels for sale all the time.

They were all imported prior to enacting the change. It was susposed to be 1 Jan 06 but heard it got set back to 1 July 06.
Now this meant that any application for import filed prior to that time didn't need the bbl cut. Thats why it wasn't instant for the consumer to see the cut bbls.

The most recent batch of Australian L1A1s (Inch FALs) to be imported all have cut bbls.
One of the House bills that has been talked about here is the one that would remove "for sporting purpose" from the law. Thus relaxing the imports. I believe the receivers would still be cut if they are select fire receivers (extra pin hole in an AK, sear slot in the FAL, etc)

I'm talking about dealer sample MGs that have been demilled. Their barrels don't get cut...

Dealer samples are a whole nuther ballgame.

Dealer samples are a whole nuther ballgame.

Exactly, NFA items use an entire different set of regulations.

Thats why you can build an SBR AK and not worry about 922r parts count.

Exactly, NFA items use an entire different set of regulations.

Thats why you can build an SBR AK and not worry about 922r parts count.

Exactly, but what prevents a SOT/Class III dealer from importing some new AKs and them demilling them for parts...thus trumping the barrel ban? The ATF?

Exactly, but what prevents a SOT/Class III dealer from importing some new AKs and them demilling them for parts...thus trumping the barrel ban? The ATF?

Import and then showing paperwork going to whom??? thats the big question.

I have not fully read all the NFA stuff, but I believe to import NFA items you must have a letter of intent to buy.
Failing that, you do need to keep records showing disposition of weapons. From what I understand about non NFA stuff, if it gets destroyed you need to turn it over to ATF, or LE...don't remember the exact wording. I would think that NFA stuff has even stricter guidelines.
So even if you don't have to turn over the stuff, you still will have to tell ATF that you demilled the items you imported. They will want to know why.

Import and then showing paperwork going to whom??? thats the big question.

I have not fully read all the NFA stuff, but I believe to import NFA items you must have a letter of intent to buy.
Failing that, you do need to keep records showing disposition of weapons. From what I understand about non NFA stuff, if it gets destroyed you need to turn it over to ATF, or LE...don't remember the exact wording. I would think that NFA stuff has even stricter guidelines.
So even if you don't have to turn over the stuff, you still will have to tell ATF that you demilled the items you imported. They will want to know why.

This is regarding non-nfa dealer sample items. I'm pretty sure you have to take the demilled pieces somewhere. However, I was just offered almost any HK rifle parts kit (including mp5s, UMPs, and 416s) INCLUDING the barrel. I was going to get a 416 kit, but the price was outrageous.