This 4" kit came with a DPA, but I haven't installed it yet. By looking, does it appear to need it due to the angle of the drag link?

http://jeepforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=32921&stc=1&d=1181917524

Uh what pic?

Weird, I see it here. Anyway, here is the link.

http://jeepforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=32921&stc=1&d=1181917524

This 4" kit came with a DPA, but I haven't installed it yet. By looking, does it appear to need it due to the angle of the drag link?

http://jeepforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=32921&stc=1&d=1181917524

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So you installed a dropped track bar bracket at the axle(DUMB) and you want to know if you should install a dropped pitman arm at the frame? (DUMB) :eek::eek: And you are still using the stock track bar (DUMBEST YET)


all this on a 4" lift?

You are hot linking to jeepflorum. :shaking:

Can you please enlighten us to which company you bought that lift from so we can advise everyone to stay away from them??

I see red x's:confused:

you want to know if you should install a dropped pitman arm at the frame? At the frame? What in the world are you talking about? Nobody said anythign about installing a DPA at the frame. lol. I would install the DPA in place of the OEM PA if needed. No need to be a sphincter pirate.

At the frame? What in the world are you talking about? I would install the DPA in place of the OEM PA if needed. No need to be a sphincter pirate.

no need to be a dumb ass pirate. :shaking::shaking:

Take a good look at where your steering box hooks up. :shaking::shaking:

I didn't ask for your ignorant antics. I asked a simple question ijmo. Seems your here simple to play e-puffer, ehh??

:mr-t: Go toss a salad.....you'd be more useful. Secondly, we don't all sell our homes to live in trailers so we can sink our life savings in a "big boy" trail rig. No matter how hard you tried, your penis is probably still only an inch long.

Friggin Dingo.

I didn't ask for your ignorant antics. I asked a simple question ijmo. :mr-t: Go toss a salad.....you'd be more useful.

you just don't get it do you :shaking:

Read the rules stupid. Go drink bleach. You would be more useful.

OK guys here's the deal as I see it and how things are going to work. It may be named something different now, yet the new forum is going to be general Jeep tech, including newbie. So everything that's not "hardcore" belongs in the std. Jeep tech forum.

What's "hardcore"?

Things like fabbing 4 link suspensions, Jeepish buggy's, Big tires, big axles, fabbing trans adapters, fabbing hardcore parts. a common theme is fabbing.

What is non hardcore?

Lift kits, typical springovers, bolt ons, drivability, identification, and countless other things.


I made sure you could see the stuff that reflects upon you! This isn't the right place for your dumb questions. It even says so on the forum description which I'm sure you past up. So I made it more visible for you.

http://thedoubleduke.com/pics/Jeep/newbiebeware.gif

:shaking:

So that immediately demands that you be a squid about it? Your insecurity is overwhelming.


To the others: Sorry about putting this in the wrong section. My bad.

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no more flaming

So that immediately demands that you be a squid about it? Your insecurity is overwhelming.


To the others: Sorry about putting this in the wrong section. My bad.

insecurity? I don't need assistance on whether I install a dropped pitman arm where it isn't needed and a dropped track bar bracket that endangers my life. :laughing:

On second thought, I wish I had told you to install it. Then you could have some trial and error in figuring out shit for yourself. Especially when it gets discussed on the correct forum countless times. You would have known that had you been secure enough to search it out first. Hell, I'm sure you could have searched this out on jeep florum before stacking your intense questions here. :laughing:

Sorry Steve, I just bite back when attacked. He could have been straight to the point in a cool kinda way, but he just haddddd to e-flex on someone with less "JEEP knowledge". I'm sure he feels like he accomplished something today now. Wont happen again. Again, sorry Steve.

Have a good day Chris.:bounce2:


Now that we are in the correct location.

You do NOT need the dropped pitman arm with a 4" lift. You also need to delete that stupid track bar bracket and install the track bar back in the axle where it belongs. That much lift, while lowering that mount will pull your axle more off center. The correct way to fix your "problem" is with an adjustable track bar.

Your steering components work together. The drag link works in conjunction with the track bar so they swing in parallel archs. When you move one mount they are no longer in alignment with each other and you get what everyone commonly refers to as bump steer.

If you install a dropped pitman arm it is to be used with a track bar drop bracket. But you have to lower each end the same. Not drop the track bar at the axle and drop the pitman arm at the frame. You are just creating more pronounced problems. You should also ditch the stock track bar as it is now a safety concern. The stock track bar is meant to work in a specific range. That being stock. The joint at the frame will allow some deflection. It is not meant to work with a 4" lift.

I would like to know who sold you that "kit" and their theory behind it all.

I would like to know who sold you that "kit" and their theory behind it all.

Wow, you can be cool. Thanks. It is a 4" Rough Country Lift kit that came complete and I installed everything per directions included. So if I remove the bracket and put the trackbar back in the axle mount, wont it pull my axle to one side and also throw off the alignment of the drag link with the TB? Right now, I cant afford new trackbars, but I want to be safe.

If you move the track bar mount at the axle vertically it will pull the axle one way or the other horizontally. If you leave the track bar in the original stock location the track bar and drag link function as they are supposed to in the designated arch I talked about above. If you move the track bar bracket down, like pictured, and hold the steering wheel straight while the axle is drooping your wheels will turn.

If it is left in the correct location without the added drop bracket when you ar axle droops and the steering wheel stays straight your wheels will not turn. I don't know the theory of Rough Country but it is wrong. For your best safety and that of others around you I would suggest you install that stocker track bar in the stock bracket. You will decrease the operating angle of the track bar and you aren't putting as much force on the stock bracket. Which is weak and likes to rip off the axle tube at any given chance.

You should send both the dropped pitman arm and track bar bracket back to Rough Country and tell them to shove it plus get a refund. They are not needed and furthermore are making your jeep ride, drive, and handle like poo poo.

Wow, you can be cool.


And just for the record I don't live in a trailer ;)

I still don't see the pics. How about hosting them someplace other than Jeepforum.

If you move the track bar mount at the axle.... Well, I just ordered a Black diamond adj. front TB, so when it arrives, I will remove the drop TBB and replace, then have it aligned.

Well, I just ordered a Black diamond adj. front TB, so when it arrives, I will remove the drop TBB and replace, then have it aligned.

Make sure the axle is centered before you go to the alignment shop. Of which, I do myself with great results. Be sure to get a print out of the computer alignment. Post it here when you get it.

Make sure the axle is centered before you go to the alignment shop. Of which, I do myself with great results. Be sure to get a print out of the computer alignment. Post it here when you get it.

Yeah, I was going to center my axle and adjust my toe, but since I would like to have caster bolts installed and camber adjusted, I figured I would just let them do the whole thing since they charge to pull it on the rack and put sensors on the wheels. I;m only 3 miles from the alignment shop. I also am installing an SYE, CV shaft, Skyjacker High Skid and Rear Adj. UCA's tomorrow, so he also offered to set pinion angle for me while he has it there.

PS, I am glad we got back on board with our communication. ;) Sorry about the"back and forth" earlier.

Just so you know... You can't adjust camber on your axle without replacing ball joints. Your axle should be within 1 degree + or - on camber. If you are out of specs you have something else wrong. You can only adjust caster with the control arms.

Gotcha. Thanks. I guess that would make sense since its a straight axle................duh!

Just so you know... You can't adjust camber on your axle without replacing ball joints. Your axle should be within 1 degree + or - on camber..

Do you mean +/- 1 degree from 0 (vertical)?

I built an axle and I have camber that I need to adjust out.
My front wheels look like this: \\-0----//

I was thinking of installing a pair of these to help, but I don't know what I'm shooting for.
http://www.jeepfan.com/projects/CastorCamber/DSCN3201_small.JPG

I’ve been searching for a vendor that sells these. My axle had one, but I think I need a second shim for the other side.

Yes. Stock specs say you can be from 1 degree positive to 1 degree negative. You need to put your vehicle on an alignment rack to find out how far you are off. Then get the shims for what you need. I don't believe that is the correct way to go about fixing your problem as there are tons of other possibilities that can cause positive or negative camber.

Have you replaced your ball joints?

Have you replaced your hubs?

What about wheels? They can give the "appearance" of camber. Are you sure your wheels are mounted to the hubs correctly?

Definitely find some place with a computer alignment rack. They should be able to print you off the before and after specs of your alignment. Most give free alignment checks so search around for them.

I did a quick search and answered my own question, thanks for the response too. Stock specs for which vehicle? There are lots of D44 axles out there.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=472716&highlight=camber+shim
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=437014&highlight=camber+shim

I just built the axle with all new parts, so yes I have replaced all those parts and lots more :D

What is wrong with an allignment shim? Not ever knuckle goes on perfect. I can do the aligment, I just don't have the spec for a Jeep Cherokee Chief with a Dana 44, or For that matter a CJ7 with that same axle cut down 4 inches. :)

or For that matter a CJ7 with that same axle cut down 4 inches. :)


You mean.... YOU USED THE SEARCH! :eek::eek::eek::flipoff2:


I think the true culprit just came out! Shims can fix your problem. They just aren't the first step to fixing it.

Hey, cut me some slack! I started a thought process, searched, and found an answer with pictures in less than 20 minutes (while at work I’ll have you). :D
I’ve been around a while, I normally search before I type, but this time I shot from the hip a little, because I wanted this guy to know you CAN adjust camber with shims when brand new parts don’t solve the problem. And Positive camber is not likely from a bent housing. Ugh.

The Dana 44 I cut had a shim on it already. These Dana 44s are not exactly high-tech.

I was just hoping to find a vendor for the shim pictured above. The picture depicts the same shim I have on my shelf, so it would be nice to find another like it. The part I found on line looks much thicker and has great big openings:
http://www.ingallseng.com/graphics/Product_Pictures/26126.jpg
http://www.ingallseng.com/graphics/Drawings/26126_line.gif