Hummer Vs. F250 Pull Off

[Yadranco]

David against Goliath .Who is David and who is Goliath ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh9sMxVVVpw&mode=related&search=

[ElkyRacer]

No 6.5 there for sure!

[Beat95YJ]

I don't get it. Once the tires spin on either truck its getting dragged. I think vehicle weight and gearing would be more important than hp.

[800MJ]

i coulda told you the hummer was gonna win before i started watching it. and not only cuz its in the hummer section and not the ford. but hummers have bigger tires and geared lower than an f250. the hummer had more tire contact to the road. put the same tires on the 250 and gear it the same and itll be a little more inresting. sucks he broke his ujoint lol

[realmencutfenders]

Looked pretty even to me.

[forsakenfuture]

I don't get it. Once the tires spin on either truck its getting dragged. I think vehicle weight and gearing would be more important than hp.

Ya,this seems like a typical redneck victory me..never taking in account anything but engines.

[KiGrind]

You need traction in a pull like that, such as with gearing giving torque and no spin. Spinning the tires might give you some sort of traction but in a way causes you to float. If it was in mud or sand you might have a different store. Sand, you'd just see both sink.

[TJVigilante]

static vs. dynamic friction. If you spin a tire, you're working with the much lower Dynamic friction, and the other vehicle has the much greater static coefficient of friction.

[rketr]

Not sure how the guys in the video can say the Hummer beat the Ford; throughout the video every time the Ford started winning, the guy with the camera kept yelling: "stop! stop!" Only time the Hummer moved the Ford is when it started spinning its tires. I counted at least 4 times that the Ford won in the pulloff...

Put a little weight in the back of the Ford bed and there will be no contest...

[KiGrind]

So if the hummer was winning, why is the idiot screaming stop every time the F250 starts pulling away? Ego stroke anyone? Really for what the person paid for the vehicle, what GM boasts about it, the numbers on paper, and the fact its just an F250, I sure hope he could pull it... but I was proven wrong.

[Alec W]

Who cares? Looks boring to me and I barely watched the first 20 seconds before my ADHD kicked in ;)

[Alec W]

Drving over the ford might be fun though :smokin:

http://www.xaltitudevideo.com/Media//Images//200507%20-%20Driving%20Over%20a%20Car/Pic-2.jpg

http://www.xaltitudevideo.com/Media//Images//200507%20-%20Driving%20Over%20a%20Car/Pic-6.jpg

[Bebe]

It's a Neanderthal contest...let'em have their fun :shaking::p

[Non Urban]

I don't see a clear cut winner. It looked to me like the Ford was pulling the Hummer more.

[Stuckle]

Drving over the ford might be fun though :smokin:

http://www.xaltitudevideo.com/Media//Images//200507%20-%20Driving%20Over%20a%20Car/Pic-2.jpg

http://www.xaltitudevideo.com/Media//Images//200507%20-%20Driving%20Over%20a%20Car/Pic-6.jpg

woah


you allmost rolled

thats hardcore wheelin

:flipoff2::shaking:

[Alec W]

woah


you allmost rolled

thats hardcore wheelin

:flipoff2::shaking:

Nah, my point was that it’s as interesting as a stupid pull off. :laughing:

[Stuckle]

well at least we agree on that:smokin:

[buffy]

Which rig weighs more? It's called normal force. I'm a Chevy fan, but that Ford is much more powerful than the Hummer. Despite it's overall length, I bet the Hummer may weigh a little more. Your ability to get power to the ground is limited simply by normal force and friction coefficient (be that static or rolling). Now tires spinning certainly adds a variable, but who cares. If I can pull with a million pounds of force perpindicular to the normal force I create with my 205 pounds of meat and love handles, a Pinto will still drag my ass down the road all day long. Dumbasses should of paid attention in 10th grade physics.

[bspencer]

if you all hadnt noticed the Hummer is also running a cummins 4bt in it istead of the 6.5

[misterfubar]

STOP!!!! STOP!!!!

I'd give the Ford the overall win.

I'd love a 4BT powered H1 though, that's pretty sweet.

[f250rollinon37s]

did anyone else notice the strap angle ? pulling up on the fords rear ? mechanical advantage -
i had a similer buff with my 95 f250 and a 92 cummins - he was 7900 lbs - i was 4700 - with a flat strap - i won i 2wd - but in 4 - he would drag me without slipping a tire - i guess over 4k on the front axle didnt hurt - it made for some good pics - will find them if i can

[TJVigilante]

Strap angle, ford only started spinning when the driveshaft broke, and cameradouche yelling stop and cutting off when the ford starts pulling easy. Lame.

[KiGrind]

and cameradouche yelling stop and cutting off when the ford starts pulling easy. Lame.

He seriously sounds like he is taking a meat rod in the fudge hole, his boy freind in the hummer was getting raped and the cameraman's ass started hurting. :shaking:



Why do you never see hummers in tractor pulls? Well, I never do.

[pizzaboy]

lame x2

i doubt that the creators of this video had any idea of even a quarter of the physics at play in a pull off.

[kibblerange]

lamex3

But it was funnay when the camera guy goes "You broke a driveshaft":laughing:

I don't know it made me laugh






Oh... and wheres the tech?

[Bebe]

He seriously sounds like he is taking a meat rod in the fudge hole, his boy freind in the hummer was getting raped and the cameraman's ass started hurting. :shaking:



Why do you never see hummers in tractor pulls? Well, I never do.

Same reason you don't see "Jeeps" in tractor pulls...it's a truck thing:flipoff2:

[KiGrind]

Same reason you don't see "Jeeps" in tractor pulls...it's a truck thing:flipoff2:


Oh...you mean like drag racing is a car thing?
http://www.dragtimes.com/images/10892-1980-Jeep-CJ.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEAx72nQajI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rlMwxyszoQ&mode=related&search=

:flipoff2:

[ron b]

I think those "jeeps" are about as jeep as Robby Gordon's h3.

[rkcrawl]

The first time the guy yelled stop, it looked like he (ford) was running out of parking lot...

[kibblerange]

If the hummer was suppose to win, then they have bad editing skillz.

[Vanishing Point]

That Hummer kicked tuckus. Once the Ford's tires smoked that was all she wrote. And only one of the two looked like it could leave under its own power. The Hummer baby!

[CJim7]

That Hummer kicked tuckus. Once the Ford's tires smoked that was all she wrote. And only one of the two looked like it could leave under its own power. The Hummer baby!
You're quite mechanically inclined to think the F250 only has a front driveline :laughing:
Whadda you reckon turns the rear wheels? :shaking:

[Urban Wheeler]

Whoo.

[kibblerange]

And only one of the two looked like it could leave under its own power. The Hummer baby!

:laughing::laughing::laughing: Wow... nice first post, LOL. Good thing Tuesday is almost over.

[CJim7]

:laughing::laughing::laughing: Wow... nice first post, LOL. Good thing Tuesday is almost over.
Tuesday is allllll week in some of these forums:shaking::laughing:

[Vanishing Point]

Lol. You guys are right. I guess I just haven't broken one on a truck yet. My Viper spits them out (halfshafts actually)and then of course it's dead on the road.

Need to remind myself to paradigm shift away from road racing and over to a 4x4 mindset here.

[kibblerange]

Lol. You guys are right. I guess I just haven't broken one on a truck yet. My Viper spits them out (halfshafts actually)and then of course it's dead on the road.

Need to remind myself to paradigm shift away from road racing and over to a 4x4 mindset here.

WTF!?!?!? Bewaaaaaaahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

paradigm shift, that is classic.

-Oh well welcome to PBB :flipoff2: Good Luck :laughing:

[loveshackle]

Tuesday is allllll week in some of these forums:shaking::laughing:

And some forums (or at least one) always has the ghey...:shaking: Only way to attract the real PBB was to start bringing real trucks into the topic. :flipoff2:

Don't get me wrong, I'd drool over that H1 too.

[Benzz0]

so the ford wins 2 times, recorder tells ford to stop so the hummer can get an advantage of momentum?

queerer than a 3 dollar bill...

[Goldie Locks]

Why?

[ron b]

looks to me the ford wins the first 2 pulls, and in the 3rd/final pull the ford got dragged a bit, but then recovered and stopped the hummer dead before it broke a driveshaft -- looked pretty even on that final pull. The annoying cameraman kept yelling stop when the hummer driver was honking for reasons unknown (wrong gear? engine died? he liked the sound of the whimpy stock horn? his pussy hurt?) -- who knows. Says alot about the gearing and the cummings (4 cylinder/175 hp) in the hummer.

all that being said, it's a pretty stupid comparison. The truck's are designed for different purposes. Contests like that are like the special olympics...even the winner's a retard.

rb

[Vanishing Point]

WTF!?!?!? Bewaaaaaaahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

paradigm shift, that is classic.

-Oh well welcome to PBB :flipoff2: Good Luck :laughing:

Don't worry I can handle myself.

After all, you have no idea who anyone on the internet is.

[Bebe]

:shaking:"stupid boys and their stupid boy penises":shaking:


:laughing:

[Shadow man]

Well flame away or even make due with the :rainbow: calling. :D

I admit, I have done a few redneck pull offs. :laughing:
Once with my 4280# fully locked Scout against my 7200# 85 f-350 open diff crewcab 4x4. The Ford lost.

Then later when my 5700# Scout pulled against my Brother's 28000# over the road, dual locked axle International. I barely beat him and bent the rear of his frame. :eek: We both were shocked on that one. Luckily my Daughter videoed that one because it was truly stupid and unbelievable.

I admit, I do idiot stuff too.:shaking:

Hummer tech? Hopefully picking up the Wife's H3 tomorrow.

[Xjcrawler736]

Well flame away or even make due with the :rainbow: calling. :D

I admit, I have done a few redneck pull offs. :laughing:
Once with my 4280# fully locked Scout against my 7200# 85 f-350 open diff crewcab 4x4. The Ford lost.

Then later when my 5700# Scout pulled against my Brother's 28000# over the road, dual locked axle International. I barely beat him and bent the rear of his frame. :eek: We both were shocked on that one. Luckily my Daughter videoed that one because it was truly stupid and unbelievable.

I admit, I do idiot stuff too.:shaking:

Hummer tech? Hopefully picking up the Wife's H3 tomorrow.


You cant tell us that you got video of your redneck pull offs and not post it.:flipoff2:

Come on lets see those videos.

Its an unwritten PBB rule that once you talk about it you have to show the proof.

[Shadow man]

You cant tell us that you got video of your redneck pull offs and not post it.:flipoff2:

Come on lets see those videos.

Its an unwritten PBB rule that once you talk about it you have to show the proof.


Problem is they are on VHS-c. I have no way to transfer. I really need to as we have all sorts of video including Jeep rollovers that everyone always enjoy.:smokin:

One would make a good instructional video as to why you should throttle and not brake.

[KiGrind]

So when is someone actually going to post some tech in the hummer forum instead of starting another ego incuded circle jerk of retardation thread? I was looking forward to a build up or something that didn't involve rewriting lift kit instructions or which poor truck frame has to lug around a box with lights and doors all its life.


Someone build something.... :(

[Bebe]

So when is someone actually going to post some tech in the hummer forum instead of starting another ego incuded circle jerk of retardation thread? I was looking forward to a build up or something that didn't involve rewriting lift kit instructions or which poor truck frame has to lug around a box with lights and doors all its life.


Someone build something.... :(

Why don't you? You're so eager....step off and git er done.

[Shadow man]

So when is someone actually going to post some tech in the hummer forum instead of starting another ego incuded circle jerk of retardation thread? I was looking forward to a build up or something that didn't involve rewriting lift kit instructions or which poor truck frame has to lug around a box with lights and doors all its life.


Someone build something.... :(


I don't even have a HUMMER. I'm just posing myself.:homer:

We nominate YOU to show us wannabees how it is done. :smokin:

I am easy, I'd settle for the most durable CHROME bolt on parts review.

[CSmith]

That Hummer kicked tuckus. Once the Ford's tires smoked that was all she wrote. And only one of the two looked like it could leave under its own power. The Hummer baby!


Pffft.

If I wanted a Hummer I'd call your sister.

[Bebe]

Pffft.

If I wanted a Hummer I'd call your sister.


watchit........:mad3:

[KiGrind]

I don't even have a HUMMER. I'm just posing myself.:homer:

We nominate YOU to show us wannabees how it is done. :smokin:

I am easy, I'd settle for the most durable CHROME bolt on parts review.


Because no one else could here anyways I guess, let me bust out the drill and tin snips. It would be more fabrication here than anyone else has done, and I don't own a hummer. :shaking::flipoff2:

But it would be nice to see what all the fuss is about with hummers. Would be nice to see what the hummer community is doing. I seen a thread about rear steer but I don't think it got anywhere.

Anybody at least able to post up build pictures from long ago... or your vehicle progress over the years maybe... ??

[Bebe]

what is there to mod?????

[CSmith]

what is there to mod?????


Tie rod ends and intermediate shafts on the H2s would be a good start.

[Shadow man]

Because no one else could here anyways I guess, let me bust out the drill and tin snips. It would be more fabrication here than anyone else has done, and I don't own a hummer. :shaking::flipoff2:

But it would be nice to see what all the fuss is about with hummers. Would be nice to see what the hummer community is doing. I seen a thread about rear steer but I don't think it got anywhere.

Anybody at least able to post up build pictures from long ago... or your vehicle progress over the years maybe... ??



Okay Jeep "BOY". Yes, it is that Obvious that you are a Jeep pilot.
Put this together last week for my Daughter. 7 days including engine work. She will have to finish the Cage, skidplates and Rockerguards at her house in Denver.. Did I mention that I am sure her Fab Skills are over and above yours? If you have any.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n272/SSII/traveler/DCFC0120.jpg


http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n272/SSII/traveler/DSCN0049.jpg

About a year and a half ago, I took my one Scout and rebuilt it. Bigger engine this time as the 10 year old engine was tired.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n272/SSII/P1010011-1.jpg


This time, I only built a fuel injected 6-71 blown 490 CI BBC to power the manual 4l80 that I built, to the 203-205 doubled cases to a narrowed 60 front and a rear steer narrowed, centered Dana 70 that I built.
I also performed all of the body work and paint. In my garage.
It took me 6 months this time compared to the 1 month previously years prior as my Son and Daughter wasn't around to help.

Yes, you did see it in the magazines.

Oh yea, I beat the hell out of it too.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n272/SSII/P1010105.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n272/SSII/DSCN0017.jpg


So, show and tell us about your built heep. :p

[Bebe]

Tie rod ends and intermediate shafts on the H2s would be a good start.

Cognito and Fabtech make a nice front end upgrades for the H2, Pitman, Idler, HD Tie rods that I swear are bullet proof, but it's bolt on....easy, other than that?

You call them intermediate shafts, we call them half shafts, and on the H2 their fine unless you lift it, which I think is a bad move on GM IFS.

H3's, not much to do either....a cast iron front diff would be nice.

Only thing really would be SAS.

[KiGrind]

Only thing really would be SAS.

What do peoples usually put up front for a SAS?

[Bebe]

It's a 65.0 track, (H3) so I'm sure there is something that would work, anything could be cut down to fit, problem is the way the frame rails turn up in the front, lots of cutting, lots of labor$$$$.


I've only seen one, not up close tho, in photos. I'm pretty sure I'd go with diamond axles, they're pretty:D

[KiGrind]

Okay Jeep "BOY". Yes, it is that Obvious that you are a Jeep pilot.
Put this together last week for my Daughter. 7 days including engine work. She will have to finish the Cage, skidplates and Rockerguards at her house in Denver.. Did I mention that I am sure her Fab Skills are over and above yours? If you have any.
About a year and a half ago, I took my one Scout and rebuilt it. Bigger engine this time as the 10 year old engine was tired.
This time, I only built a fuel injected 6-71 blown 490 CI BBC to power the manual 4l80 that I built, to the 203-205 doubled cases to a narrowed 60 front and a rear steer narrowed, centered Dana 70 that I built.
I also performed all of the body work and paint. In my garage.
It took me 6 months this time compared to the 1 month previously years prior as my Son and Daughter wasn't around to help.
Yes, you did see it in the magazines.
So, show and tell us about your built heep. :p

Well I'd sure hope so, I didn't grow up with someone that had the knowledge or tools to do anything except a ton of wood work and I was not interested in playing with wood. :shaking: And I do realize that is open for a cute remark about playing with wood.



Could have taken classes in High School, but they where a joke. Nothing but a pissing contest on who could make the best bead. You wanna teach me? :grinpimp:

[KiGrind]

It's a 65.0 track, (H3) so I'm sure there is something that would work, anything could be cut down to fit, problem is the way the frame rails turn up in the front, lots of cutting, lots of labor$$$$.


I've only seen one, not up close tho, in photos. I'm pretty sure I'd go with diamond axles, they're pretty:D


Did they use leaf springs? Got pictors?

[Samco Fab]

Pffft.

If I wanted a Hummer I'd call your sister.

Shoot, I would just call Bebe:smokin:

[Bebe]

:flipoff2::stirthepot::flipoff2:

Where've you been?

[Bebe]

Did they use leaf springs? Got pictors?
Yes leaf under.

I'll defer to Sam....he's spent more time under the HUMMERS than I.:grinpimp:


I have lots of pics of minor mods, but I need to just start a thread.

[ron b]

I seen a thread about rear steer but I don't think it got anywhere.


be patient budday! There's several guys that have done it, most are hard to track down, and one guy's in the middle of it. They only sold just over 10,000 hummers to the public, they are assembled by hand and $$$ so there's not alot of folks willing to cut/hack them up...besides they are pretty damn good out of the box.

I bagged mine for variable height, but can't post pictures here. Check out some of the videos in the other thread if you are jonesin' to see a hummer actually dirty and negotiating something slightly more complicated than a curb at the mall.

rb

[Bebe]

Check out some of the videos in the other thread if you are jonesin' to see a hummer actually dirty and negotiating something slightly more complicated than a curb at the mall.

rb

scuuuuuze me?

[ron b]

scuuuuuze me?
easy there...referring to public perception.

[Bebe]

BWAAAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

Thats the funniest thing I've seen all day.

I hate to say it tho, but public perception and stereo types are there for a reason. :shaking:

You too can be a sacrificial bunny.....:nuke:

[CJim7]

This thread make me laugh long time :laughing:

[Vanishing Point]

Pffft.

If I wanted a Hummer I'd call your sister.

Niiiiiice. Now we have the human sperm bank chiming in.

I think my sister is safe as rumor has it that you are a pure catcher.

[solarpower]

They only sold just over 10,000 hummers to the public, they are assembled by hand and $$$ so there's not alot of folks willing to cut/hack them up...besides they are pretty damn good out of the box.
rb

so out of that 10,000 say 4% of these Ferrari-like hand built rigs actually go on a trail, which leaves about .5% that will actually need to modify them them for tough trails and have the abilty to do so.

So we have a sub-forum for about 75 people to post up their builds.

:zzz:

[rocknbronco]

One again this has gone way off topic I would say a H1 is very similar to the way Rovers were in the 90's folks got them as a status symble now look at the Rovers cheap and easy to mod.

[93hummer]

The guy in the Hummer is a regular over on www.humvee.net. His Hummer has a stock Cummins 4BT conversion. he posted that vid about a month or so ago and the Ford actually did break a driveshaft. This kind of pull-off has more to do with traction than power, of course that Ford had more HP and Torque.

Rmember that while Pirate4x4 is the shit for 99% of off road guys, the site has ignored Hummers for years, right up until a few weeks ago when this Hummer section opened up. www.humvee.net has the most hard core H1 owners and drivers by far, and it will take a long time for them to switch over to pirate.... if they ever do. I will post on both, but don't be surprised if this forum ends up being an H2, H3, and Conversion kit H1 forum, there aren't a lot of H1 owners, and they already have thier forum which has been around since 1996... it will take a while to get more of them over here.

[Bebe]

One again this has gone way off topic I would say a H1 is very similar to the way Rovers were in the 90's folks got them as a status symble now look at the Rovers cheap and easy to mod.

Status symbol....maybe in the beginning

I don't care what you say.....any vehicle with geared hubs will never be cheap or easy to mod.

Have you ever priced a brake job for an H1???

These trucks are stupid expensive to own, build and repair.

There is no cheap-easy anything about an H1, or 2 or 3.

[KiGrind]

And you dont have to stay with one board, some are better than others for certain things. Pirate Hummer will find its place like all the others. :-)

Some are silly willy forums!

[Vanishing Point]

Status symbol....maybe in the beginning

I don't care what you say.....any vehicle with geared hubs will never be cheap or easy to mod.

Have you ever priced a brake job for an H1???

These trucks are stupid expensive to own, build and repair.

There is no cheap-easy anything about an H1, or 2 or 3.

I disagree. If you do your own work on them they are not so bad. Majority GM parts and some parts such as brake pads and front calipers can be cross referenced at NAPA usually coming out of things like Wagoneers or Cherokees. My truck (H1 Gasser) has over 130,000 miles on it and there were only a few things expensive (like the AC/Heater needing to be replaced) during that time. Granted you need to do the brakes more often (about every two years) but the job is neither difficult nor expensive.

But yeah, if you let someone else work on it, they'll charge you the traditional Hummer tax.


It is a very easy truck to wrench on. But not easy or cheap to modify which is probably why they don't get modified a lot.


Oh and air filters on a gasser are outrageously priced.

[Sewie]

What do peoples usually put up front for a SAS?

The two that I've seen, one did D60's front and rear and the other is using Rockwells. :grinpimp: Both builds 4-linked in the front.

I asked the guy doing the rockwell swap to post up on here, we'll see if he shows.