I got a howell wiring harness for puttin the 95 350 in my cruiser. Talking to howell I will need to install a two pulse, two wire, speed sensor that screws into the t-case spedo output.

Does anyone know where I can get one of these speed sensors?

I have been told that one that has 7/8 threads will screw onto the t-case but i will need to have my speedo cable end redone with a 7/8 end.

I think the threads are 22mm so I am hoping to find a two pulse two wire speed secsor that is 22MM that will simple screw into my t-case and spedo cable. anyone know where i can find one. I am going to call downey this morning! Thank for your comments.

You can get one from Jags that Run. They sell the Stealth conversions speed sensor. Downey Off Road sells the same one. I think it is like $10 cheaper from Stealth conversions. Just under $100, Downey sells them for right at $100.

I bought the one with the 22mm toyota thread for mine and it does not fit right at the t-case. SO my recommendation after haveing to have my cable cut in half and splice with 22mm ends(HARD TO FIND AND $$$) is to get the domestic thread one and mount it away formthe p/b drum. Most any speedo cable shop willbeable todo the 7/8 -16 speedo cable fittings, but I had to sheel out for a custom male 22mm once I discovered that it would not fit by the p/b drum.

So, get the cheaper domestic two pulse from Jags that run, and get a stock L/C cable spliced with domestic ends(wherever wou have room under the truck), it will be cheaper, as well as the fact then you can easily add a easily obtained domestic ratio converter for correcting the speedo error.(instead of having a custom metric one made...

This was my experience with speedo shops locally,


Hope that helps...

Originally posted by lcsixty
You can get one from Jags that Run. They sell the Stealth conversions speed sensor. Downey Off Road sells the same one. I think it is like $10 cheaper from Stealth conversions. Just under $100, Downey sells them for right at $100.

This is the way I went for my 383 TPI. When you get the unit from JTR it comes with a info sheet with a Toyota part number for a spedo cable extention. (aprox. 12" long) I ordered it right over my local Toyota parts counter for under $30.00.

You need the extention to move the speed sen. away from the TC. It will not thread in since the e-brake drum is in the way. It works great and I needed the extra legnth due to my 700R4 being so long anyway!

Helocat

I got a speed censor for free when I got married:D

don't lie andy! cause for a married guy "on the leash" you sure have a lot of projects around the house, and i'm not talking about your "honey do list"!:flipoff2: :D :rasta:

When you get the unit from JTR it comes with a info sheet with a Toyota part number for a spedo cable extention. (aprox. 12" long) I ordered it right over my local Toyota parts counter for under $30.00.

What is the P/N for this cable??? I bought mine from JTR and it did not have anything in the box but some packing material and the VSS...This would have saved me some money Oh well.

Thanks,
-Brett

My 71 FJ40 has the 12" extension from factory. It was used to space the little speed sensor that was used for the emissions valve. (the OEM sensor is not a 2 pulse, it is AC generator). The dealor can look it up if you know what they came in orig.

To look at the ones at Jags that run.....

http://www.jagsthatrun.com

Looks like the sell a book on swapping TBI and TPI engines. May have to pick one up.

Call Roger at 414 463 6660 He has them or will make you one. Autometer turned me on to him.
Todd

Originally posted by cruiserbrett


What is the P/N for this cable??? I bought mine from JTR and it did not have anything in the box but some packing material and the VSS...This would have saved me some money Oh well.

Thanks,
-Brett

I second this request.....what part number?!? JTR didn't include crap in my delivery, was a few weeks out on shipping, and the part doesn't fit well at the t-case....

helocat?!?!?!?

What speed sensor do you use for an Atlas tcase?. I have a VSS sensor on my Toy 3 speed case for my 350 TBI motor and want to see if it will work for an Atlas tcase. BTW, my 40 is a 69.

Charles

Specter shows these cables. My FJ uses their pt # 180-08C-A aft spedometer cable. They show $20. I do wish mine was a little longer:) :) Maybe one of the other years are. My VSS is right next to the PTO opening.

This is the corrected number, Thanks Woody

to clarify, that's 180-08 part numbers....on SOR.com now...and considering it's $20 for the part plus the nominal $20 for handling, my guess is a $30 OEM piece might work out better....

tho I could always add to my spare spring bushing collection while I'm in there....

Originally posted by ALLOCKEDUP
I got a howell wiring harness for puttin the 95 350 in my cruiser. Talking to howell I will need to install a two pulse, two wire, speed sensor that screws into the t-case spedo output.

Does anyone know where I can get one of these speed sensors?

I have been told that one that has 7/8 threads will screw onto the t-case but i will need to have my speedo cable end redone with a 7/8 end.

I think the threads are 22mm so I am hoping to find a two pulse two wire speed secsor that is 22MM that will simple screw into my t-case and spedo cable. anyone know where i can find one. I am going to call downey this morning! Thank for your comments.

When I did my TBI conversion I purchased one but I never used it cause I had a PROM chip burned minus the VSS so I still have it sitting in my shop never used. It cost 80.00 but I would take 40.00 for it.

Originally posted by USFSIHC


When I did my TBI conversion I purchased one but I never used it cause I had a PROM chip burned minus the VSS so I still have it sitting in my shop never used. It cost 80.00 but I would take 40.00 for it.

i PM'd you:D

PIC

I got my parts from Danny Warden, The vss has some sweet adapters to fit the stock cables. It uses the 12" ext cable to the vss, back to the stock spedo cable.

When my buddy did his FI conversion he had a speedo shop
redo his cable to fit the vss it never was right. He ended up switching it out for the way I did mine.

Originally posted by USFSIHC
PIC

what t-case was that designed to hook up to? i have an atlas and if it will work for mine i'll take it.

I just ordered the 180-08C-A from SOR, along with some other little stuff, and can report back next week when things are all bolted up and running (I hope)

High5, I suspect the Atlas uses a different/SAE pattern for mounting...measure what ya got and check at jagsthatrun.com and they have a decent listing of their VSS stuff.

I have one of the 12" Toyota cables that I won't be using, brand new... $25 ships it...any takers?

Originally posted by High5


what t-case was that designed to hook up to? i have an atlas and if it will work for mine i'll take it.

It was ordered for a dana 300 cause that was the tcase I was going to then I got an atlas I would try threading it on to my atlas to answer your question but I wont be home to check it till sunday. Can you wate? There is a good posibility that D300 is the same though.

Originally posted by USFSIHC


It was ordered for a dana 300 cause that was the tcase I was going to then I got an atlas I would try threading it on to my atlas to answer your question but I wont be home to check it till sunday. Can you wate? There is a good posibility that D300 is the same though.

yeah check it out when you can. i am also pretty sure they are the same but i want to make sure. let me know and shoot me a pm or an e-mail when you find out. thanks.

I know it doesn't help you out at the moment, but I found out something cool Fing around with my TBI stuff. '87 TBI brains don't use a VSS, they had mechanical speedos that year. I would imagine a 87 brain could be used with 88-up nerves. :confused:

Anyone know more about that?

My 87 TBI off a 3/4 ton truck did use a VSS. It was built into the mechanical speedo head. I tried to figure out how to make it work before buying the one from JTR.

As a side note, the 78 FJ40 speedo head I have has a VSS built into it also, but it is a 4 pulse per speedo rev instead of 2.

Originally posted by yoda
My 87 TBI off a 3/4 ton truck did use a VSS. It was built into the mechanical speedo head. I tried to figure out how to make it work before buying the one from JTR.

As a side note, the 78 FJ40 speedo head I have has a VSS built into it also, but it is a 4 pulse per speedo rev instead of 2.

Could it just be a 4.3 thing? I was just assuming the 8's were the same way? OR could it be something that changed in mid/late '87?

Originally posted by yoda
...As a side note, the 78 FJ40 speedo head I have has a VSS built into it also, but it is a 4 pulse per speedo rev instead of 2.

On our Project TBI FJ60, we were able to retro fit the VSS from the Astrovan into the speedo head of the FJ60. Seemed to work, but we later installed the JTR one in order to try and diagnose other problems... (it still won't idle decent) One of these days I will hit you huys up for some more TBI info... I think we may get the 60 out this weekend and dive back into the system and try and find the real problem...:(

Originally posted by bfautah


On our Project TBI FJ60, we were able to retro fit the VSS from the Astrovan into the speedo head of the FJ60. Seemed to work, but we later installed the JTR one in order to try and diagnose other problems... (it still won't idle decent) One of these days I will hit you huys up for some more TBI info... I think we may get the 60 out this weekend and dive back into the system and try and find the real problem...:(

Kurt I was having the same problem for like a year when I finally got sick or messing with it and got a PROM chip burned that had no VSS for 110.00 from howell industries. Best 110.00 I ever spent. Also when people start messing with fuel injection they seem to want to reinvent the wheel and forget the basics. You might have tried this but check the fuel pressure TBI is 9 to 13 psi but mine wont run for shit under about 12. Just some thoughts.

Originally posted by USFSIHC


Kurt I was having the same problem for like a year when I finally got sick or messing with it and got a PROM chip burned that had no VSS for 110.00 from howell industries. Best 110.00 I ever spent. Also when people start messing with fuel injection they seem to want to reinvent the wheel and forget the basics. You might have tried this but check the fuel pressure TBI is 9 to 13 psi but mine wont run for shit under about 12. Just some thoughts.

Thanks for the info dude. We may very well burn a VSS free chip... sounds like its worth a try. As far as the fuel pressure, the pump is supposed to be that high but after hearing your problem, I am going to test it this weekend. Thanks again and I'll keep you posted.:D

guys I was reading or heard some where that there was a chrysler made speed sensor that would screw onto the output on the transfer-one had metric -one standard thread. I'm gonna look at the parts house and see if I can find something.

Okay, now I am a little more confused... I recently installed a 1988 TPI 350 in my 77 FJ40. I have a Painless Kit. I also thought I needed a VSS. I purchased one from JTR, and an extension cable from Toyota (from early 70's FJ40) to space away from my tx case. Then I ended up disconnecting. What I experienced was that with the VSS hooked up, I had an experience where I would be going 50 mph, push in clutch and find RPM's not to drop, but to stay at say 2500 rpm. I disconnected VSS and problem went away. Also, I have a Park/Neutral switch that I have wired to be in "Park/Neutral" position (wires connected). Question: Has anyone had similar problem? What is fix? I think P/N switch also controls EGR, etc.. right? Camaro in 1988 only came with automatic in IROC package (5.7L TPI motor), and I have Toyota 4 speed... Any Input?

Well, I ordered the 180-08C-A, based on the above postings...unfortunately, it's not the correct part, not even close...

Just got off the phone with SOR.com - real helpful guy, even checked out their store stock for me. There are TWO options for a VSS extention cable - these should also work to extend your speedo cable should you be running a long drivetrain and find your cable too short. (Originally, these were used to hook a factory speedmarker in the middle of two speedo cables) Be worth a call to confirm, but that was my understanding.

P/N 180-08H is the short ~12" cable

P/N 180-08S or 180-08I are the LONG cables that would locate the VSS (or speedmarker) on the firewall...unfortunately, both of these numbers are discontinued....there was also the 180-08S-U (used) available, but I opted to stick with the new one and ordered the 180-08H.

So much for having the motor completed this weekend....

Originally posted by woody

So much for having the motor completed this weekend....


You can still run it without the VSS... It may stall coming to a stop, but that should be the only problem...


Keith: Get a prom burnt for a manual tranny...I know the 5.7's never had manuals, but Howell et al, can change part of the Prom to make the computer think there is a manual tranny behind it and not look for park/neutral input.

Also, do you have cruise control setup on it? If you step off the gas( and on the clutch) , the throttle body is going to close if there is not and cruise control module or other hangup preventing it from closing. I dont think the IAC has a big enough diameter to feed the engine enough air to keep it at 2500 rpm.

Originally posted by High5


what t-case was that designed to hook up to? i have an atlas and if it will work for mine i'll take it.

It threads on to my Atlas if you still want it PM me

Brett - Will the Manual Transmission PROM help with overall performace at all. I was just thinking that if I am running a PROM in the Park/Neutral configuaration, that the distributor or ESC or other components might not work exactly the way they should.

As far as my throttle situation, I found that with the P/N switch wired in "Drive", and the VSS hooked up, that if I let off the gas, the vehicle would "Cruiser control" on me. No, I do not have cruise control, or a cable issue. Something I noticed though. I have since wired the p/n to "Neutral" condition, and disconnected the VSS.

Engine runs ok, although not the power I expected (2F to 5.7l conversion), and also idles a little rough at low RPMs (950 is smoooth, 750 is rough).

ANOTHER note.... I only have 6 degrees BTDC for timing info. from another 88 Camaro 5.7l IROC as the timing. If this was to be set in DRIVE, as the underhood sticker mentioned, how would you set in a manual transmission situation? Engine is stock.

Thanks for the help.....
Keith Envolsen

keith,
did you disconnect the set timing connector to set the timing??? i did not my first time and it ran like crap at idle.(would barely idle)
Also, with the manual, just set it while idling in neutral.

My 305 TPI has boatloads of power and the cruiser has what seems to be twice the power of the 2F... and that was with really badly scored cylinders and trashed rings... It is waiting reinstall shortly after paint.


-Brett

I did set the idle in neutral. I can't say that the motor idles rough. I CAN say that the idle speed fluctuates up and down. Bad choice of words on my part.

Same degrees?, and yes I did have the connector "open" while setting timing...

Thanks,
Keith

P/N 180-08H photo, installed....

http://www.ih8mud.com/photos/tbi350/vss.jpg

Originally posted by woody
P/N 180-08H photo, installed....

Woody, what VSS did you use? the JTR one?

thanks...

yeppers, JTR unit.