hey all CAL4WHEEL need registration for Trek.. come on people lets go.. they are being a little light to the max width rule.. some come one come all

I'll be there :smokin: I already signed up

What makes you think they are being "light" to the rule?:confused:

I was thinking the same thing since I do believe the rule was discussed at a meeting and voted back in for this year.... I personally think its a little archaic being that a TJ/YJ w/ 33" tires on 10" wheels is wider then 80". If you fit in this category you will be fine. If your rig is like mine I think you would get turned away (86" outside to outside)

But thats why I sit at WH3 and work my tail off all week with all the other Four Dice rigs that are too wide for Trek :D

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I regestered on line but havent recieved my package yet.

you get a package in the mail? how long you think?

hey all CAL4WHEEL need registration for Trek.. come on people lets go.. they are being a little light to the max width rule.. some come one come all I know this with first hand knowledge that if you are too wide you will not be allowed to go. I have worked Friday Staging/Tech for the last six years and we have turned them back. Read the registration form it states what the max width in there. So if you are running full width do not get mad when you are turned away and you do not get your registration fee back. You signed it that means you are supposed to have read it. The reason for it is to "Tread Lightly", this trail is built on a wagon trail and full widths tear up the trail. Yeah I know you made it fine, but at what cost? We are trying to keep this trail open without many restrictions, think the gate at Barrett. There are many agencies that watch when this event is held. That is why the oil booms have been placed on the water crossings. Unless you know for a fact that they are going light on width restrictions, do not post it. I heard from a friend whom heard from Uncle Fuzzy's sister is hearsay, which to me is BS. Listen to what GRIDWNC said, she has-been on the committee since Jesus was a puppy!!!!

The last meeting for this year was last night. I was there. We discussed certain vehicles (i.e. some unimogs, the new 4 door Jeeps, etc.) not meeting requirements.

As Oop's has been on my committee since just after I took it over 7 yrs ago (this is my 10th yr working Friday Staging and my 21 year at Trek), he has indeed seen me turn rigs back to the end of the line. That means after everyone else has hit the trail. I stage 125 rigs plus any V.I.P. that get added.

Having been behind everyone myself on numerous Trek's, it makes for a long day, no mater how cut, chopped, lifted, hydra-steer, cutting brake, atlas equipped your vehicle may be. I have personally got off that trail well after midnight when running behind the rest of the pack.

Now if that's your cup of tea, as it has been mine, . . . fine. But don't be "THAT" asshole we all talk about. The one who whines about the "stupid" rules and breaks trail to go through the brush to get around paid participants. I do put forest rangers in several rigs throughout the participant pack and "you" could very well be the cause for the permit not being renewed.


PLEASE play nice with others.:)

well last night at the trek meeting there was someing brought up about 2 unimogs going on the sort wheel base... and they are like 92 in wide...so i will double check with the HIGH ALMIGHTIES and post back.. but this post was to get more people to come to the event not to have a debate on what was said by whom.. im sorry

well last night at the trek meeting there was someing brought up about 2 unimogs going on the sort wheel base... and they are like 92 in wide...

Umm nope. Bob asked about 2 Unimogs that called him to see if they would fit. I was the fat chick in the back that spoke up about last year's Unimog.:D

The one that came last year, met the guidelines I spoke of in my previous post and I mentioned this last night. He had to run at the back of the pack behind everyone else. He was courteous enough to call and ask, as the two Bob mentioned at last nights meeting. They don't meet the limits placed on the event run and agreed to go at the end. They took full responsibility for any repairs of their vehicle and understood that "Trek" could not assist if they needed parts. "Trek" would not be responsible for dragging them out if that were to be a necessity. (Obviously good wheelers do what they can whenever they come across someone in distress on ANY trail, anywhere and some one would have been a good Samaritan.)

Last nights conversation was IN NO WAY an open ticket to over-sized rigs, let alone a "come one, come all" call.


well last night at the trek meeting there was someing brought up about 2 unimogs going on the sort wheel base... and they are like 92 in wide...so i will double check with the HIGH ALMIGHTIES and post back.. but this post was to get more people to come to the event not to have a debate on what was said by whom.. im sorry


I'm only 5'2" so I may not be high, but some believe I have a tendency to be mighty.:laughing:

I appreciate what your intent was. It is honorable. But you misunderstood the conversation. That's all. I am trying to clarify it for you.

Kimber
(a.k.a. Friday Staging Chairperson . . . . . . Extraordinaire!)
(a.k.a. Mini High and Mighty)
(a.k.a. Chief Bitch)
(a.k.a. Green Eyed Wench)


p.s. here's the phone numbers for the higher and mightier than "I":D
Ye Ol High & Mighty (http://cal4wheel.com/) They are expecting a call.

I was in the same boat seven years ago when the WB was much shorter then it is now. I had to run in the back of the pack and helped with sweep. My WB is 122", I was way over. We got back into camp about 2:30 in the morning. Ate dinner/breakfast with the Star Trek group!!!!!!:grinpimp:

Sign up, it is fun. If you have been before you know that, if you have not been, it is a good experence!!!!!!!!!!!!:grinpimp:

Plus there's good fishin' in the lake!:D But I just go for the company I keep.:laughing:

ok... i must have miss understood the conversation.. and yes i am admitting to being wrong... and i was the gease monkey sitting next to you... and i am just trying to get those #'s up...

ok... i must have miss understood the conversation.. and yes i am admitting to being wrong... and i was the gease monkey sitting next to you... and i am just trying to get those #'s up...


Ahhh! Wait 'til I talk to Joe!:laughing:

The numbers are usually low up until the first weeks of July. It seems to be a tradition. SUV run has NEVER came close to selling out and its only been around for about 4 yrs. The long wheel base trail has usually far less than 25 rigs. Star Trek, well it usually is filled up one way or another. It's Friday's and Saturday's runs that sell out typically.

Now with gas prices and economy issues the last few years, many people sign up and then can't afford the trip, so we've had a lot of "no shows". Last year I had close to 90 rigs actually show and that was up from the previous year. But even last year at the June meeting, the numbers were pretty low before the July registration rush.

personally the 80 inch rule is very outdated.

I have freinds running fullsize 60's on toy pickups........... these are owned/
driven by very caring/invironmentally-concious guys...... we/they don't tear
stuff up.....

the one tree that is slabbed to fit thru will accomodate a 90" width............


This has got to be the main reason why these guys will never buy into the

Trek registration, but rather run the trail open without registering.

--Sherpa
loyal Trek runner.........

trek is always the higlight of my year and we havent been able to drive trail for 6 years. or jeep crapped out now its back and better than ever with a 100 in wheel base and 60 in axles. my toys going to be on it in a couple years to....i hope.

I will be working WH3 again this year with my Fourdice 4WDC brothers. I have also been working year round to maintain as well as improve trail conditions. And oh yeah...I am over 80 inches.

personally the 80 inch rule is very outdated.



I don't disagree. However the forestry dept requires limits for the permit to be issued.

I will be working WH3 again this year with my Fourdice 4WDC brothers. I have also been working year round to maintain as well as improve trail conditions. And oh yeah...I am over 80 inches.

im not.:flipoff2:

personally the 80 inch rule is very outdated.
Agreed (with no disrespect intended), but having fought hard to simplify the rules a few years ago, I can say with surety that the only way to create change at Trek is to show up at every meeting and lobby for it.

It frustrates me, but it is what it is.

Randii

Agreed (with no disrespect intended), but having fought hard to simplify the rules a few years ago, I can say with surety that the only way to create change at Trek is to show up at every meeting and lobby for it.

It frustrates me, but it is what it is.

Randii

How long did it take us to get rigs like Oop's legal?:laughing:

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and he's been a pain ever since. Heck his wife wont even come anymore!:flipoff2:

Heck his wife wont even come anymore!:flipoff2:

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

when is it?

How long did it take us to get rigs like Oop's legal?:laughing: and he's been a pain ever since. Heck his wife wont even come anymore!:flipoff2:
I paid for her again this year, hope you have some relatives that need a ticket again this year:grinpimp::grinpimp:!!!!!!!

I'm bringing a special guest this year. :grinpimp:

Will the water truck come down far enough this year??

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Spelling! It's all in the spelling! Or is it all in the spilling!?

p.s. Do you think you might show your face at any time? I know you got the new job thing happenin'.

when is it?

August 9 - 12



I paid for her again this year, hope you have some relatives that need a ticket again this year:grinpimp::grinpimp:!!!!!!!

But of course!! Or the very least, maybe!:laughing:



I'm bringing a special guest this year. :grinpimp:

Will the water truck come down far enough this year??

Wont know till we get there. Doubtful though. But with fire conditions getting worse, stranger things have happened in the name of safety.

Spelling! It's all in the spelling! Or is it all in the spilling!?

p.s. Do you think you might show your face at any time? I know you got the new job thing happenin'.


There's a slim chance I'll show up late friday night.

There's a slim chance I'll show up late friday night.
I thought you moved out of the country or something :flipoff2:

Will the water truck come down far enough this year??
Members of my club drive the water truck -- if they don't come all the way down to the dam, I can probably bribe them into using the water cannon to keep the dust down in Kimber's campsite... :p

Randii

Members of my club drive the water truck -- if they don't come all the way down to the dam, I can probably bribe them into using the water cannon to keep the dust down in Kimber's campsite... :p

Randii

That would be interesting, would we need umbrellas??? :flipoff2:

Its interesting, Many of us on this board work various parts of Sierra trek, Probably drank side by side on saturday night and never really known it.

So this year as your rolling through winch hill three, stop, say hey..

Its interesting, Many of us on this board work various parts of Sierra trek, Probably drank side by side on saturday night and never really known it.

So this year as your rolling through winch hill three, stop, say hey..Well if I had a Diet Pespi or Crystal Geyser in my hand, yes we have!!!!!!!:grinpimp:

ITs not hard to miss fourdice on saturday night, just look for the mohawks..

hey do we get something in the mail when ordering?

You will receive a package in the mail if you registered and paid.

Members of my club drive the water truck -- if they don't come all the way down to the dam, I can probably bribe them into using the water cannon to keep the dust down in Kimber's campsite... :p

Randii

Wait!!!!!!!!! I thought friendships caused privileges?! Not assaults!!:eek::flipoff2::laughing:

That would be interesting, would we need umbrellas??? :flipoff2:

Since they are coming after me . . . what do YOU think???:eek::laughing:



Its interesting, Many of us on this board work various parts of Sierra trek, Probably drank side by side on saturday night and never really known it.


Too true. This is 20 something in a row for me so I'm sure we've passed many times.



Well if I had a Diet Pespi or Crystal Geyser in my hand, yes we have!!!!!!!:grinpimp:

Don't forget to add . . . and was following some chick in a dilapidated green CJ5 with her canine wonder mut!

Canceled!



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Shut up..........really?:mad3:

Shut up..........really?:mad3:
It would not hurt my feelings one little bit.

do i still get my t-shirt?:laughing:

gay

Shut up..........really?:mad3:

Foe-reel-doe!

It sucks, we had some killer chit planed for WH3.

i havnt heard anything for the "Don's"

Canceled!



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Where you gettin this from?

doesnt say anything about it on the cal4wheel site.

i havnt heard anything for the "Don's"

Well maybe they dont know yet. :smokin:

Where you gettin this from?

Straight from the hourse's mouth, the Chairmen of Trek Dave Douglas. He called me last night and told me.

doesnt say anything about it on the cal4wheel site.

I'm telling you here! So now you know. :grinpimp:

Now might be a good time to send in an extra donation to Cal. This is really going to hurt their budget. Cal does a lot of good and we should show our support.

Here is the link for donations. You can earmark them for specific purposes and some are tax deductable.

http://www.cal4wheel.com/donation/online.html

doesnt say anything about it on the cal4wheel site.

http://ingear4x4.com/

Sierra Trek canceled in light of new restrictions

JULY 9 — I would like to thank all of the committees that have spent many hours on Sierra Trek 2007. After reviewing all possibilities the decision was made by a review committee to cancel Sierra Trek. I will schedule a follow up meeting for later in the year, before the January meeting.

Please share this information with all members of your committee and anybody else.

Again, thank you for all of the support and stayed tuned for the next announcements about Sierra Trek.

David Douglas, Sierra Trek Chair

Ken

Keith Quote:
It would not hurt my feelings one little bit.

Nice atitude
This event raises money to keep this kind of stuff from happening and they only use the trail once a year.
Whats next
Maybe the Tahoe national forest srvs will decide that Barrett, after drying out, will then be to dry to drive on and never open !!!:mad3:

http://ingear4x4.com//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=93&Itemid=58

Sierra trek is cancelled for sure ??

I had plans to attend this year, this sucks :mad3:

how close is the Marlin Crawler roundup?? and is that trail going to be closed ?

and is this event cancelled too ??


thanks ahead of time Troy

Sierra trek is cancelled for sure ??

I had plans to attend this year, this sucks :mad3:

how close is the Marlin Crawler roundup?? and is that trail going to be closed ?

and is this event cancelled too ??


thanks ahead of time Troy

looks to be off according to http://cal4wheel.com

mcr is held on the rubicon in sept i believe. it is still on as far as i know.

when do we get a refund? I guess i dont get to go on fordyce for my first time now...Thanks FS. :mad3: BTW-thanks for the updates guys, i wouldnt have known any of this crap.

when do we get a refund? I guess i dont get to go on fordyce for my first time now...Thanks FS. :mad3: BTW-thanks for the updates guys, i wouldnt have known any of this crap.

They just finished the meeting at 9pm last night. I am sure they will announce the refunds when the dust settles, give them time to take a couple of breaths. The Cal4 web site mentions a "Press Release to Follow Later Today"

I will be telling them to keep my money. This is Cal's biggest fundraiser of the year....

They will be keeping my money also this is one of the Cal4wheel's biggest fund raisers and they need the money to fight just this sort of thing.
It's scary to think that the Forest services can close areas to off roaders when ever they feel like it with just about any excuse.

I will be telling them to keep my money. This is Cal's biggest fundraiser of the year....


X2

It was alot, but Cal needs it. :D

i would love for them to keep my money, but i think im gonna do the jeep jaboree instead. Anyways-they got me to pay 40 bucks to be a memeber of their club-so that counts as my donation that ill re-new ever year :smokin:

is sierra trek still on for this year with the trail being closed?

Read the earlier posts in this thread.


Ken

WTF? I think I hear heels clicking and the sound of Nazis marching around. Oops, did I just say that? What happened to the government being run BY the people and FOR the people? Oh yeah, that went out with George Washington. I'm all for environment preservation and that kind of stuff, but isn't that what we do as 4 wheel drive clubs and organizations? What a crock. Guess I'm not so hard pressed to get rigs done now.

Keith Quote:
It would not hurt my feelings one little bit.

Nice atitude
This event raises money to keep this kind of stuff from happening and they only use the trail once a year.
Whats next
Maybe the Tahoe national forest srvs will decide that Barrett, after drying out, will then be to dry to drive on and never open !!!:mad3:
Seriously, I have nothing against Sierra Trek, or Cal4WD raising money to keep the good fight going.
I think a few of you are missing the big pic. I dont believe the FS is out to get you guys in this case. On July 5th, twelve fires started about 10 miles from where I live, and dead center in the middle of the forest where I cut firewood to heat my shop and house, as well as recreate. One of them is nearly 23,000 acres and still burning, but mostly contained. There are seven others burning very near by. Six of those have full containment, one is more than 50 acres and not contained. On Tuesday evening, we watched as the thunderstorms blew through in the evening, starting 25 additional fires, some veiwable from my house. We were lucky enough that most of them were put out by heavy rain, but 12 of those fires had to have personnel from the 23k acre fire pulled to put them down.

What happened last winter with the snow pack was more than just the mere amount of it. The brush like manzinita and others that are normally burried in the snow were not. As the new growth appears early due to the mild weather, it is exposed to the chance that a freeze will come along and kill it. That is exactly what happened. So, the top several inches of the brush is dead and HIGHLY flammable. Just looking at the moisture on the trail is not a true indication of the moisture content in the forest, it goes much deeper than that.

So, I dont mean to wad anyones panties up because I stated that it would not hurt my feelings if the Trek was not run this year. I am sure that you all are great stewards of the land, but accidents do happen.

For example, someone is running a carb, and it keeps crapping out on an incline. So, someone dumps a bit of gas in the carb to get her running. Backfire, poof, can on fire with gas in someones had and it gets tossed. What next????

For example, someone is running a carb, and it keeps crapping out on an incline. So, someone dumps a bit of gas in the carb to get her running. Backfire, poof, can on fire with gas in someones had and it gets tossed. What next????

that could happen anytime. :smokin: this year is no different then any other imo.

that could happen anytime. :smokin: this year is no different then any other imo.

You guys that live in the city just dont get it do you?

You guys that live in the city just don't get it do you?

A lot of us get it. IE, those of us who live in the High Fire danger areas.

When we see that plume of smoke, we pray it's not going to take out any property.

It takes hardly a spark to start a fire this time of year. I'm fortunate to have not only the EDCO Fire nearby, but also the CDF as well. They do an amazing job when a fire breaks out. And we have dozens every summer. My hat's off to all the Firefighters!

For example, someone is running a carb, and it keeps crapping out on an incline. So, someone dumps a bit of gas in the carb to get her running. Backfire, poof, can on fire with gas in someones had and it gets tossed. What next????
The people that have a couple acres out in the pines and think they are Ranchers don't get it.
Theres always a worst case in any year, even a wet one, and that is where the problem is "typical attitude of the west just close off access."
Cal4wheel is not responible to keep the land managed, that is the jop of the the FS but if they were asked I'm sure Ca4wheel clubs would provide the volunteers.
WE pay taxes so the FS can manage "OUR" land.We donate to Cal4wheel so they can manage our interests.

The people that have a couple acres out in the pines and think they are Ranchers don't get it.
Theres always a worst case in any year, even a wet one, and that is where the problem is "typical attitude of the west just close off access."
Cal4wheel is not responible to keep the land managed, that is the jop of the the FS but if they were asked I'm sure Ca4wheel clubs would provide the volunteers.
WE pay taxes so the FS can manage "OUR" land.We donate to Cal4wheel so they can manage our interests.

You remind me of the guys I turned into FS last year for an illegal campfire during deer hunting season near High Lakes. They had a fire in a non designated camping area, kept it pretty small. Next night same. Next night, waaaaayyyy to big. So I asked them to knock the fire down, and it got ugly. Said that us "highlanders" think we own the forest and he would not put down the fire. So, he got a visit from the local FS law inforcement and was cited.

Fact is, I live in some of the most dangerous fire areas in the state. The potential to loose my house due to a fire is GREAT. So, it does concern me quite a bit. There are many nearby camping places that are not designated camping sites that are occupied throughout the summer months. When you live in a town surrounded by streets, parking lots, etc., the threat does not enter you mind of a fire like it does me on a daily basis. Esp when there are multiple fires within ten minutes from your house....
I am just about to finish the latest mod on my rig. I have not wheeled since last summer. I too am bummed that Fordyce is closed for now, but I understand why the decision was made for the time being.

You remind me of the guys I turned into FS last year for an illegal campfire during deer hunting season near High Lakes. They had a fire in a non designated camping area, kept it pretty small. Next night same. Next night, waaaaayyyy to big. So I asked them to knock the fire down, and it got ugly. Said that us "highlanders" think we own the forest and he would not put down the fire. So, he got a visit from the local FS law inforcement and was cited.

Fact is, I live in some of the most dangerous fire areas in the state. The potential to loose my house due to a fire is GREAT. So, it does concern me quite a bit. There are many nearby camping places that are not designated camping sites that are occupied throughout the summer months.

Just a little background, I do live on the ouskirts of Sac due to my job but I was raise on a small ranch and spent all most of my life in the woods backpacking, dirtbiking, horsebackriding, hunting and fishing, even running cattle. Most of my family are in Utah and Idaho because they can't stand the "Califonia control attitude". I don't consider myself a City Boy just a relocated Country Boy and you are right a lot of City folks "don't get it" but to make that statement on a 4wheeler board is asinine. The majority of the Wheelers I know are in the same boat as I and I would assume that the rest are simlilar.
As far as "The so called hunters" I would have stood right next to you in giving these asshats a reaming. Sometime I intervine to the point where I get myself into trouble but I tell myself maybe in the morning when they sober up maybe they will reflect on ther supidity and would have learned something, but your missing the point. The FS is not doing there job and thats who you should be complaining to not the members of Cal4wheel who where trying to carry on an organized event. Your property is much more at risk during a standard weekend when the drunks are out than duing this event. Have you ever attended one? They are great family event.

On July 5th, twelve fires started about 10 miles from where I live, and dead center in the middle of the forest where I cut firewood to heat my shop and house, as well as recreate.

I am not trying to be sarcastic but how many of these fires were started by an OHV? How many fires per year in Ca ARE caused by an OHV? I can't imagine that many (obviously I don't know) because the Rubicon, or Fordyce, or the Dusy, or Deer Valley, or, or, or, does not catch on fire every year. Regardless of the fact that I am a city boy I certaily don't want to burn to death and can remember that when I am out wheeling. I just don't feel like I need someone to tell me what to do unless there is a REAL threat, and that is my question.

What about dirtbikes, how do they play into this "fire danger"?

Please don't get me wrong here, I am just trying to learn, so please educate me.

JW

I am not trying to be sarcastic but how many of these fires were started by an OHV? How many fires per year in Ca ARE caused by an OHV? I can't imagine that many (obviously I don't know) because the Rubicon, or Fordyce, or the Dusy, or Deer Valley, or, or, or, does not catch on fire every year. Regardless of the fact that I am a city boy I certaily don't want to burn to death and can remember that when I am out wheeling. I just don't feel like I need someone to tell me what to do unless there is a REAL threat, and that is my question.

What about dirtbikes, how do they play into this "fire danger"?

Please don't get me wrong here, I am just trying to learn, so please educate me.

JWI dont know personally of a OHV causing a fire, esp a 4wd. We do have the normal fires started by people just like everywhere else. Logging crews kick one off once in a while, chainsaws, lawnmowers etc. This year has been esp bad with the number and size of fires, scattered resources, and it started at the end of June, instead of months later. This is not a normal year for fires. I was not trying to get the city boys all riled up, but just stating that remote folks like myself have a serious concern this year. It is one of those types of feelings you would not get unless you live it everday. The probability of a wheeler causing a fire due to wheeling is probably not much if any. I mean, it is not like the trails we run are covered in grass and our rigs fart out flames.

I dont know personally of a OHV causing a fire, esp a 4wd. We do have the normal fires started by people just like everywhere else. Logging crews kick one off once in a while, chainsaws, lawnmowers etc. This year has been esp bad with the number and size of fires, scattered resources, and it started at the end of June, instead of months later. This is not a normal year for fires. I was not trying to get the city boys all riled up, but just stating that remote folks like myself have a serious concern this year. It is one of those types of feelings you would not get unless you live it everday. The probability of a wheeler causing a fire due to wheeling is probably not much if any. I mean, it is not like the trails we run are covered in grass and our rigs fart out flames.

This is what I would expect an honest answer to be, but I am only drawing from my "common sense". This is also the reason why I am so bummed that I can't ride/wheel in the TNF. Every year has a fire season, why start the ban now?

Although I do really understand your fear of the reprocussions of living the forest but that is your choice. I certainly hope there are not any more fires, but unfortunalty it is part of nature (sometimes regardless of stupid people).

Another thing to consider; Lightning strikes hit in these mountains everyday. These strikes cause fires that have nothing to do with the people in the area. How difficult would it be for CDF to get in and fight the flames with a thousand people and lot of rigs clogging the access points. How fun would it be to be caught between a couple of fire lines while out wheeling with all your friends. The FS is not trying to make this a personal battle against OHV. They do their jobs as best they can with their resources, but they have their limits on what they can manage. I have worked with CDF and have family that are firefighters and I know how pressed they are right now. I also know how bad our lack of water is affecting the high mountains here in NorCal. Shit, southern California is having the driest year ever recorded (over 130 yrs of recording) right now. Don't take it personally people, the trail will open back up. These people are just trying to watch out for OUR safety here. We will all be back on the trail again this fall, so try not to get too bent about things.

I understand the argument put up by Keith. I also live in a high fire danger area in the foothills. However...

Don't take it personally people, the trail will open back up.

This type of action sets a precedent that is difficult to overcome. That is my main concern here. All reports state that the moisture content (or whatever its called) for July is like it usually is in August. Guess what, they didn't close down the forest last August did they? Instead of the knee jerk reaction, they should have waited another month, and re-evaluated. If on 8/1 the forest is "drier than ever" then perhaps start these discussions...

I fear that this type of policy will become the norm every summer...