I've been kicking around the idea of SAS my 95 tacoma. I found a waggy d44 for a $100. I was curious what you guys might like or dislike about this kit. I think for the price it's not that bad becaus i would probably be close to that doing a spring kit witch i would really rather do the 3 link kit. If you guys know of a better kit for around the same amount or a little more let me know?

Thanks

the only problem is unless they have changed soem things the kit is designed for there custom axle they sale and would have to be modified to work on a D44.

As far as modifying goes it looks like you would have to modify the link tabs to fit the D44. The question I have is would it throw off the geometry of the links?

Personally I am leaning towards a kit from Ballistic Fab (http://ballisticfabrication.3dcartstores.com/Solid-Axle-Swap_c_93-1.html) that was designed for a D44. I have followed several All Pro kit buildups that used either a Diamond or D44 axle and there were some major reworks performed to make the kit work. Yes I understand that all “kits” will need to be customized to the specific application. Don't get me wrong, my truck has plenty of All Pro stuff on it, but if I am going for the "kit" option I would like to start with a D44 kit. My .02

Ross

I like the allpro kit but I don't like that there kit is built specifically for a 5K axles that I sure as hell can't afford and I’m sure most others can't either. I was on ballistics site today and never saw anything about a Tacoma specific kit.?. Maybe I didn't look hard enough:shaking:. If you know more information about their kit please fill me in.
Austin

what ever you do dont spend your $ at bentup.com. a guy at my work just bought a tacoma done by them and the fab work was borderline HACK, cant believe theyre so huge on TTORA

I was looking at there site last night and they would be the last shop i looked at. I was pretty intereted in the all-pro kit but after talking to the guy on the phone i would rather not go that route either. I've looked on the ttora forum and really didn't see anything i liked over there either. Looks like i will need to read alot of the 4/3 link threads and make my own:eek:. Thanks for the input guys. :beer::beer:

Did you look at the Ballistic site, go under the vehicle specific section and there you will find the Tacoma. I would go this route if I was going with links and a Dana 44. i am thinking of going leaves and an axle from an FJ62 Landcruiser to stay Toyota.

Did you look at the Ballistic site, go under the vehicle specific section and there you will find the Tacoma. I would go this route if I was going with links and a Dana 44. i am thinking of going leaves and an axle from an FJ62 Landcruiser to stay Toyota.


Or follow the link in post #4 :grinpimp:

what ever you do dont spend your $ at bentup.com. a guy at my work just bought a tacoma done by them and the fab work was borderline HACK, cant believe theyre so huge on TTORA

Do you have any pics of the truck? What was hack? Just curious as I am not vested with those guys, but I know they do many SAS projects.

Do you have any pics of the truck? What was hack? Just curious as I am not vested with those guys, but I know they do many SAS projects.

not much of a shit talker, i guess youll have to search TTORA i think theres a couple of people with the same veiw/opinion

Bogger Weldz

I've read your thread on your current truck and read on the extended cab you use to have witch are both sweet rigs. What you you think about this set up? I would rather use the coilovers.url]http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Solid-Axle-Swap_c_93-1.html[/url]

We installed one of the first allpro kits on the market at bentup. It works very well. I may have to go back and look at it and see if its a hack, but i am sure its not. Its funny he's talking shit, I did work on his truck when he lived with his parents. He had nothing to complain about then, only that he couldn't weld. We stand behind our products and if anyone has an issue we resolve it. By the way we don't sell a three link kit. Thats what this whole thread was about in the first place. Back to the topic at hand, the allpro kit works very well. We used a diamond axle, but they have a kit for the 44. Go to http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52196 for more pics and info on the swap.
Aj

If i'm gonna do the taco i have to go with a link kit. I didn't see anyhting on www.bentup.com exept a hanger kit for springs. Not that that's bad but i just don't think i would be happy with a spring kit.

We installed one of the first allpro kits on the market at bentup. It works very well. I may have to go back and look at it and see if its a hack, but i am sure its not. Its funny he's talking shit, I did work on his truck when he lived with his parents. He had nothing to complain about then, only that he couldn't weld. We stand behind our products and if anyone has an issue we resolve it. By the way we don't sell a three link kit. Thats what this whole thread was about in the first place. Back to the topic at hand, the allpro kit works very well. We used a diamond axle, but they have a kit for the 44. Go to http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52196 for more pics and info on the swap.
Aj

AJ, sorry bro, dont mean to be a dick, but the welding you did for me in 2001failed on my second trip out, drivers side shock tower, you welded, ripped off the frame rail. im not talkin shit, sticking with facts.

tacoma at my work in question: the rig was bought from oppositeboy on ttora.

you also built a blue 90's toy extracab for a guy in lodi, whom PRIEST bought it from and redid all the shitball fab work. ive got nothing against you AJ, just not a fan of your work. your brother said youve had welders work for you in the past who sucked, maybe were not even talking about fab work, just poor quality control?

We'll i talked to Josh from ballistic fabrication(thanks for the help)today and that's the route i'm gonna go. I just need to sell my other project truck for the money to build the tacoma. I also need to figure out if i'm gonna do coils or coilovers. I'm leaning towards coilovers but not sure on what size i'll need. I guess i'll have wait and see. I would like to run a 37. i need to look into upgrading the 44 first. It will be about a month or so before i get started because of a motorcycle trip in July. When i get everything together i will post the build here.:beer::beer::beer:

oh man opposite boys rig was a pos. i remember aj doing that swap since i had to bring some parts down. was in the guys garage, didnt have any of the right parts, flat pit man arm/ booty fab notched frame crap, wrong springs, sky high, etc....it wasn't a full build, just a econo hack the ifs and weld a hanger on. aj even agrees when i asked him what was the biggest pos he has ever worked on, he answered opp boy's...
that was also years ago.....back in the day of traveling garage fab work. now days he's a certified welder, and gone a long way.

in regards to the 3 link question, you can actually buy most of the brackets you'ld need from poly, ruff stuff, ballistic fab, etc... then just grab some JJ's, some DOM, a pair of coil overs, etc... for measurements do some research on here or TTORA--its all there, just buried.

I guess you could call my build a "pre-prototype" for Ballistic Fab's kit. It was designed and built by Josh from Bent Creations and myself. To be honest, I don't see how anybody could offer a complete kit to link these trucks as there are way too many variables to make a universal kit. What Ballistic is offering is the most complete kit out there right now, but any kit you can purchase is going to require modification and a competent Fabricator to make it work.

That's my 2 cents.

http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28838

I guess you could call my build a "pre-prototype" for Ballistic Fab's kit. It was designed and built by Josh from Bent Creations and myself. To be honest, I don't see how anybody could offer a complete kit to link these trucks as there are way too many variables to make a universal kit. What Ballistic is offering is the most complete kit out there right now, but any kit you can purchase is going to require modification and a competent Fabricator to make it work.

That's my 2 cents.

http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28838


X2 :D

X3 :d

We installed one of the first allpro kits on the market at bentup. It works very well. I may have to go back and look at it and see if its a hack, but i am sure its not. Its funny he's talking shit, I did work on his truck when he lived with his parents. He had nothing to complain about then, only that he couldn't weld. We stand behind our products and if anyone has an issue we resolve it. By the way we don't sell a three link kit. Thats what this whole thread was about in the first place. Back to the topic at hand, the allpro kit works very well. We used a diamond axle, but they have a kit for the 44. Go to http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52196 for more pics and info on the swap.
Aj

Definitely wasn't me talking shit AJ, if thats who you were refering to :D And I still live with my parents :flipoff2:

I realize there is no "complete kit". I would rather build my own link kit for the truck but with limited tools and shop space it's not really an option right now. After talking with Josh from ballistic about the kit they are my best option. Thanks again Jake.

I realize there is no "complete kit". I would rather build my own link kit for the truck but with limited tools and shop space it's not really an option right now. After talking with Josh from ballistic about the kit they are my best option. Thanks again Jake.

so did you decide to use coil springs and shocks or coilover shocks? im thinkin of doing my taco and those bracket parts look pretty sweet. i was gonna buy an fj80 axle and then a drivers drop diamond housing and flip everything around....

If i could get my hands on a FJ80 that would be sweet but right now i'm just gonna run a d44 for now. I'm gonna run coilovers but not sure what size. I was thinking the 16'' racerunners(rebuildable)? Don't know if that would be to big. as far as a transfer case i'm thinking an atlas. I would have to sell my other project though. If i run the atlas i want to do the r150 swap and run the 2.7l bellhouseing that marlin has. I can't find it on there web site though:confused:. I could still run the r150 with the bellhousing and run a set of duals but bot really sure yet:confused:.

If i could get my hands on a FJ80 that would be sweet but right now i'm just gonna run a d44 for now. I'm gonna run coilovers but not sure what size. I was thinking the 16'' racerunners(rebuildable)? Don't know if that would be to big. as far as a transfer case i'm thinking an atlas. I would have to sell my other project though. If i run the atlas i want to do the r150 swap and run the 2.7l bellhouseing that marlin has. I can't find it on there web site though:confused:. I could still run the r150 with the bellhousing and run a set of duals but bot really sure yet:confused:.

ive got 16'' coilovers on my 4runner and to keep ride height nice and low the shock towers are just inches from touching the hood. i switched axles now, so they might have to poke thru it if i cant get the lower mounts behind the axle

Haven't seen alot of Tacomas sporting an Atlas case.

I've been kicking around the idea of SAS my 95 tacoma. I found a waggy d44 for a $100. I was curious what you guys might like or dislike about this kit. I think for the price it's not that bad becaus i would probably be close to that doing a spring kit witch i would really rather do the 3 link kit. If you guys know of a better kit for around the same amount or a little more let me know?

Thanks

Just watched one of these kits blow up this weekend. Broke the link brackets and ended up bending the coilovers and breaking the front driveshaft along with a whole host of other carnage caused from the entire front end moving. I'll post some pictures of it later once this guy has settled his beef with All-Pro. I have a feeling there's going to be a welder looking for work in the next couple of days. :shaking:

Please post the pictures please:eek:. Was it more the welder or the design of the kit that failed?

Please post the pictures please:eek:. Was it more the welder or the design of the kit that failed?

It was really cheesy stitch welding on the top link. When it failed, it caused a ton of carnage. Like I said, I want to give him a couple of days to talk to all-pro and let them try to make it right. I hope they take care of the situation properly, because the welds looked like they were done by a 4 year old. Everyone has problems now and then, I just want to see how all-pro treats him and what they do to make the situation right. That makes more of a difference to me anyways.

Just watched one of these kits blow up this weekend. Broke the link brackets and ended up bending the coilovers and breaking the front driveshaft along with a whole host of other carnage caused from the entire front end moving. I'll post some pictures of it later once this guy has settled his beef with All-Pro. I have a feeling there's going to be a welder looking for work in the next couple of days. :shaking:

Did the link brackets break on the housing??? Was it All-Pro's front axle, or a D44??? If its the hybrid 60, then that is a Diamond housing built by Currie. Its not All-Pro's work or welding done to it. In fact, All-Pro doesn't do any welding in the shop anymore at all.

Or, was this a D44 link bracket?

was the bling all pro axle w/ the brackets for the bling 3 link attached. top link had 0 penetration and ripped clean off. total destruction of driveshaft and coilovers followed. act of god that they were actually able to fix it and get it off the trail.
pics are over on ttora. http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74581&page=3

half way down page 3...

kit itself is awsome, was not a design error or functionality... just a poor weld by whomever welded the bracket to the housing.

For clicky impaired :mr-t:

was the bling all pro axle w/ the brackets for the bling 3 link attached. top link had 0 penetration and ripped clean off. total destruction of driveshaft and coilovers followed. act of god that they were actually able to fix it and get it off the trail.
pics are over on ttora. http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74581&page=3

half way down page 3...

kit itself is awsome, was not a design error or functionality... just a poor weld by whomever welded the bracket to the housing.

Quick question, since I cannot remember off hand. Aren't all the link brackets welded on by the customer/shop doing the install??? When we would sell these axles, we used to send out the link brackets not assembled on the axle. I just can't remember the upper link bracket on the housing when we shipped them.

not sure who welded it up, but according to the owner the axle arrived w/ the upper bracket attached.

not sure who welded it up, but according to the owner the axle arrived w/ the upper bracket attached.

I am pretty sure we didn't ship those axles with anything on them. Its up to the customer to set all this up because every rig is different.

I don't work there anymore, but when I did, all the link brackets were shipped in a different box.

not sure who welded it up, but according to the owner the axle arrived w/ the upper bracket attached.

Thats what he said to me as well. Still waiting to hear from him as to what all happened afterwards.


My hats off to Chris, Tyler, Lars and whoever else helped out on it. Its amazing that they drove it out.

X4 for Ballistic!

I've been kicking around the idea of SAS my 95 tacoma. I found a waggy d44 for a $100. I was curious what you guys might like or dislike about this kit. I think for the price it's not that bad becaus i would probably be close to that doing a spring kit witch i would really rather do the 3 link kit. If you guys know of a better kit for around the same amount or a little more let me know?

Thanks
I have the Allpro/Diamond that AJ built

I wouldn't bother with the AP kit but you can order some of the parts and make it work. We wound up fabbing a lot of stuff from scratch and then replacing things that didn't quite work out. Currently the truck has run Rubicon, Swamp Lk, Mirror Lk and Dusy/Ershim with no issues but a sheered off zerk on the front DS. The truck flat out works ;)

For 44 stuff stick with Jeff at Balistic or Ruffstuff or even a combination. AP's shock towers are nice but only work for a 12" CO. Their frame link brackets are a good start but not nearly beefy enough for trail abuse (we plated the ones on my rig and they already have several gouges). The AP lower shock mounts are a joke:shaking: