I had a Idea and want you guys input. I thought about possibly and only possibly running pro mod class werock next season maybe for the series. Currently I've only run the local events and in the unlimmited class. Stepping to pro mod would require some changes to the rig. Biggest two changes would be body pannels and 37" tires. The tires aren't that big of a deal but body pannels would require quite a bit of fab work and some thinking out of the box by me.:homer: The easy way to go would be to build a J**P liberty and be done with it. A liberty would just blend in with the rest of them and I don't want to go that route. I've always been a bit different and don't plan on stopping now. Preferably it would be a early scout or maybe a scout 2. Deciding factor would be ease of getting replacement body parts as they won't last long. (anyone have a body they want to donate for cheap or less to get this started?:p)
There would be other issues too like funding and getting spotters willing to travel. It typically cost me the better part of $1000 or so to do one event by the time I pay for fuel, hotel, replacement parts, etc.............Traveling long distance would only cost that much more not to mention the time off work. Think there would be a possibility of getting some IH vendors to pitch in a couple bucks for running stickers or something? I don't have many IH parts or plan to get any so parts would be no use to me. Anything to help pay expenses would make a difference.
I'm not set on doing this but thinking it over and would like to hear some opinions from others.
What do you guys think?

I'm not much for the comp thing, but I would imagine that if you made the right phone calls you could come up with a few sponsers. I would stick to local shops for free parts if I were you.

I'm more of a family/friend outing wheeler that likes the rocks so I'm not much help to you, but good luck :smokin:

You really need to make fiberglass molds and skins, the IH sheet metal is heavy.

Sounds expensive. I've always wanted to get into off-road racing but I couldn't even justify the costs per race, even if i had a free truck to race

You really need to make fiberglass molds and skins, the IH sheet metal is heavy.

That was a thought I had. I need to look into it more. Ideal would be plastic bodies like the monster trucks do....

One other thing. DO IT!

That was a thought I had. I need to look into it more. Ideal would be plastic bodies like the monster trucks do....
That would be the way to go!

Dude, I officially quit my job and work for myself now. I can travel. You know I know my way around comps and rocks. I'm not BenW strong but I'm pretty tough. I'm just putting it out there...

If you did plastic skins, I know of a shop that can market them :grinpimp: maybe you could make some residual money off it...

I say do it. Carl and I tried our best but we were just too young and inexperiance. I'm a pussy of a driver too, so I'm much better at spotting :flipoff2:

I have a Scout and I never considered using it (or another one) for anything but a stock class rig. There is a reason my Promod buggy was a "Grand Cherokee"...You really don't want to waste your time travelling 15+ hours to an event to not be "elligible" for the $$$.
I had to sell my buggy due to the time commitment that was required. It sure does take its toll. Good luck!:beer:

Dude, I officially quit my job and work for myself now

Holy crap, when did this happen?? Congrats man and good luck!!

You know I know my way around comps and rocks. I'm not BenW strong but I'm pretty tough. I'm just putting it out there...

If you did plastic skins, I know of a shop that can market them :grinpimp: maybe you could make some residual money off it...

I say do it. Carl and I tried our best but we were just too young and inexperiance. I'm a pussy of a driver too, so I'm much better at spotting :flipoff2:

Honestly, it was one hell of a time while we were doing, but I think young and inexpierenced was the majority of the problem we had.....well that and no money:D!! I think you budget is a little off as well, unless you are planning on prepaying to run the series and then each comp would be about 1000 over that, then it's about right on.

Not much really I can add to what Dan has said, I'd do it again in a heart beat if I thought I could get away with it. You know how comps run, you know the atmosphere and how it's different then weekend wheeling, so you've got a leg up on us when we tried it.

As for the skins....you are going to find out something really quick that we found out. Trying to keep something "International" is really hard and eats money like you wouldn't believe. Our problem was mechanical and yours will be the body. After you've ripped off the quarter skin for the 5th time you'll start to see the dollar signs add up. You'll either be trying to buy exsisting fiber parts, making them on you own in some aspect or ruthlessly searching the PNW for the drivers side quarter of however you skin it. Dan does have a good idea about producing them as a supplement, just remember how tight the typicall IH owners wallet is.

That all being said, I say go for it and you'd be my hero!!:grinpimp::grinpimp:

There is a reason my Promod buggy was a "Grand Cherokee"...You really don't want to waste your time travelling 15+ hours to an event to not be "elligible" for the $$$.

I don't understand this statement?????

I don't understand this statement?????

I guess the point was that I built the buggy from scratch with every competition advantage I could afford/think of. I didn't start off with a Scout, or any of the other POS base vehicles. The "Cherokee" was just some skins thrown on there. It could have just as easily been a toyota, or Dodge, etc.

You really need to make fiberglass molds and skins, the IH sheet metal is heavy.
That was a thought I had. I need to look into it more. Ideal would be plastic bodies like the monster trucks do....Kentrol makes 800 fiberglass and skins. I'd start there. But making a mold or going plastic like the Lovell Brothers, RedBull guys and many of the others is probably the best way to go.

My next big build will be a Scout 800 RockRacer. I'll me narrowing it down to nothing and then shortening it do death. I think that the before mentioned teams have proven you can build a full bodied buggy without having to replace the panels every race/event. It just takes some planning.

Frankly, I'll offer you the same offer I made Dan & Carl when they were trying to make it to comps, and they'll tell you I pretty much beg'd them to allow me to build them a buggy. So if you need anything, I'm on board as much as I can; offering my help with suspension and tube work. I can't donate things, but I can help cost wise.

I guess the point was that I built the buggy from scratch with every competition advantage I could afford/think of. I didn't start off with a Scout, or any of the other POS base vehicles. The "Cherokee" was just some skins thrown on there. It could have just as easily been a toyota, or Dodge, etc.

But what does this have to do with being elligible to win money?

Frankly, I'll offer you the same offer I made Dan & Carl when they were trying to make it to comps, and they'll tell you I pretty much beg'd them to allow me to build them a buggy. So if you need anything, I'm on board as much as I can; offering my help with suspension and tube work. I can't donate things, but I can help cost wise.

Thanks for the offer but I'm not building a new rig just putting a body onto mine. I have a rig now that's basically to spec for the class, all I need is skins and new tires.:)

Go for it! :D

After you've ripped off the quarter skin for the 5th time you'll start to see the dollar signs add up.

There are only 4 werock events. I only see 4 bodies being sacrificed unless I run panels for other event.

Lovell Brothers, RedBull guys .............................. I think that the before mentioned teams have proven you can build a full bodied buggy without having to replace the panels every race/event. It just takes some planning..

That's because they drive like pansy azzes.:laughing:
I think I get your point though.:D

But what does this have to do with being elligible to win money?

It wasn't a literal meaning of the word elligible...it just means that if you show up with a vehicle that is incapable of making a podium finish, you have no chance at $$$ ;).


I'm not trying to rain on your parade, just throwing out my own personal experience. Sure, it's lots fun to compete, but that fun can wear on you very quickly when you end up at the bottom of the pack all the time. Just ask Chaz Murray!:flipoff2:

It wasn't a literal meaning of the word elligible...it just means that if you show up with a vehicle that is incapable of making a podium finish, you have no chance at $$$ ;).


I'm not trying to rain on your parade, just throwing out my own personal experience. Sure, it's lots fun to compete, but that fun can wear on you very quickly when you end up at the bottom of the pack all the time. Just ask Chaz Murray!:flipoff2:

OK I got ya........I have a capable vehicle (If it stays together) and I think I can beat most of the people in that class and hang with just about any.
Thanks for the heads up though.:)

Binder if you can juggle the time and money aspects of it all then go for it. You don't want to say later on, "damn, why didn't I do it back then".

Binder if you can juggle the time and money aspects of it all then go for it. You don't want to say later on, "damn, why didn't I do it back then".

Prezactly. When Carl and I were in it, dana 300's and D44's were enough to get through most of the stock class stuff. Now 60's, coil overs, and atlas's are the word. Who knows? 5 years from now crawling could be extinct and its all about racing.

Who knows? ... years from now crawling could be extinct and its all about racing.
Lets hope not.

Try the classifieds at the anything scout site. There are usually a few scout II 's in there cheap.

http://www.anythingscout.com/

As far as cost and expense go, what about an enclosed trailer? That way you could sleep in it. Maybe have a generator to run a microwave and basic shop tools, in case of breakage. Some sort of shower would be nice though. Sell your flat deck to help cover the enclosed cost.

Just some thoughts...

I have a lead on possible rig transport to and from comps where I wouldn't have to drive at all. I haven't made arrangements with the guy but if I went through with this it would be about my best option.

The biggest coup would be to get Kentrol to 'splash' some thin 'shell' skins using their existing molds. *I* think there would be a market for them, I know I'd love a set of SII front fenders and rear quarters for SII's, and Mandura would be all over a set as well.

Polyvinyl resin and a couple layers of fine mesh mat would be all it takes. Need not be perfect as well.

Second thought would be take the expense/time to make a set of molds. Not hard, but time and up-front money consuming. But then you'd have an unlimited source of skins.


How close to 'original' does the pro-mod require?