I think we all owe MyBlueCruiser a lotta rounds of beer for this one!

He took my flyer and made it WAY BETTER!!!

PASS'EM OUT FOLKS!!

http://www.kurtuleas.com/flyer1web.jpg

http://www.kurtuleas.com/flyer2.jpg

Looks great.......Lets get them out:D

WOW!
Thats damn nice, good work!

can you send me a pdf file of that flyer and I will print a bunch out at work and post them at all the spoting good stores and atv stores. I also can print ou a bunch to give to those who want to pass them out.

can you send me a pdf file of that flyer and I will print a bunch out at work and post them at all the spoting good stores and atv stores. I also can print ou a bunch to give to those who want to pass them out.

Unfortunatly, all I got right now is that jpeg pic of it...

He was gonna work on getting me a MS Word version though

Route me the Word source file and I can PDF it.

Randii

Route me the Word source file and I can PDF it.

Randii

As soon as I get it I'll e-mail it to you Randii...

OR, I could just insert the pic into Word and send it...would that work?

Where can I get the file at to make up some flyers?

OK, I need the file too, its not working with the cut/past thing:(

PM Me your email I'll send it to you.

As soon as I get it I'll e-mail it to you Randii...

OR, I could just insert the pic into Word and send it...would that work?

when you get the word file send me that if you would. I can print up as many as we need of this and any other flyer you all want to pass out. I manage a print shop in Elk Grove and live in Sac. I print 1000's of the FOTR pamphlet last year and am always willing to help out.:D

when you get the word file send me that if you would. I can print up as many as we need of this and any other flyer you all want to pass out. I manage a print shop in Elk Grove and live in Sac. I print 1000's of the FOTR pamphlet last year and am always willing to help out.:D

SAWEEEET! Thank you :D

somebody please email the actual file to me, scottz@cwnet.com

OK, I need the file too, its not working with the cut/past thing:(


Come Awn guys...I am leaving in the morning and runnin out of time.:(
sacjoker@yahoo.com

Come Awn guys...I am leaving in the morning and runnin out of time.:(
sacjoker@yahoo.com

I sent the word file, but it's freakin HUGE!!!

Yahoo has no limit so I should have no problems........I hope.... thanks:beer:

Save my e-mail addy.

Is it OK If I put you into the route des e-mail chain we got going?

Sure, just dont send me por.......no wait........its ok to send porn:flipoff2:

Right click the above flier, copy and paste on to a blank word doc....:grinpimp:

I have.. its huge have to downsize the pics.... but its there I think..

By the way.. um "he" is a SHE
actually thats me.. no problem though it fun to be called "bro" sometimes..
emailed kurt a smaller doc. much smaller...
the rest of sent emails to get your emails... so I can pass it on..

Thanks much, I got it no problem:smokin:

By the way.. um "he" is a SHE
actually thats me.. no problem though it fun to be called "bro" sometimes..
emailed kurt a smaller doc. much smaller...
the rest of sent emails to get your emails... so I can pass it on..

hey sis, good work as usual. link to download flyers:
http://norcalrockheads.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=6

I'll try to .pdf them and repost from work on my "break"

Also, what's up with the Folsom meeting "to be confirmed"?

when you get the word file send me that if you would. I can print up as many as we need of this and any other flyer you all want to pass out. I manage a print shop in Elk Grove and live in Sac. I print 1000's of the FOTR pamphlet last year and am always willing to help out.:D

You've been PM'ed.

"Also, what's up with the Folsom meeting "to be confirmed"?

Folsom meeting is confirmed, I asked the forest service that exact question. I will be there also

That is rad, way cooler than the one I made for us here in L.N.F. Fully legit fellas, keep up the great work and keep the ball moving. We didn't get 45 days for comment forms, we only have til august 1st!

Awesome!
Much better!

That is rad, way cooler than the one I made for us here in L.N.F. Fully legit fellas, keep up the great work and keep the ball moving. We didn't get 45 days for comment forms, we only have til august 1st!

That's BS!!! I would double check that. We were told the comment period MUST be a MINIMUM of 45 days. And you could argue in writing to extend it.

PM Randii on that one...

According to the Route Designation Guidebook, Public Comment periods are suggessted to be from 30-60 days. You can ask for an extension. It can't hurt.

According to the Route Designation Guidebook, Public Comment periods are suggessted to be from 30-60 days. You can ask for an extension. It can't hurt.

I believe the public comment period for a DEIS listed in the federal register must be a minimum of 45 days....I read it somewhere

ok here it is from the Code of Federal Regulations
Title 36 part 215.6



(a) Opportunity to comment —(1) Time period for submission of comments. (i) Environmental Assessment. Comments on the proposed action shall be accepted for 30 days following the date of publication of the legal notice.

(ii) Draft Environmental Impact Statement. Comments on the proposed action shall be accepted for 45 days following the date of publication in theFederal Registerpursuant to 40 CFR parts 1500–1508.

I forwarded that info to bent and twisted, thier local forum.

can you send me a pdf file of that flyer and I will print a bunch out at work and post them at all the spoting good stores and atv stores. I also can print ou a bunch to give to those who want to pass them out.


here you go:
http://norcalrockheads.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=1

ok here it is from the Code of Federal Regulations
Title 36 part 215.6



(a) Opportunity to comment —(1) Time period for submission of comments. (i) Environmental Assessment. Comments on the proposed action shall be accepted for 30 days following the date of publication of the legal notice.

(ii) Draft Environmental Impact Statement. Comments on the proposed action shall be accepted for 45 days following the date of publication in theFederal Registerpursuant to 40 CFR parts 1500–1508.

And here it is from the route des guide book....

Involve the public
1. The regulations at 36 CFR Part 212 Sec. 52 require that the public shall be provided opportunities to participate in the designation of NFS roads, NFS trails and areas on NFS lands and revising those designations. Advanced notice shall be given to allow for public comment, consistent with agency procedures under the National Environmental Policy Act. Allow 30 to 60 days for public comment.

The nconsistency is infuriating. :mad3:

It is not really inconsistent.

30 days is a minimum for EA
45 days is a minimum for EIS
depending on the overall complexity, an EIS can be stretched to 60 days.

Consider, the "official" release and time clock does not start until Jul 20.

Eldorado released it a week early.....

It is not really inconsistent.

30 days is a minimum for EA
45 days is a minimum for EIS
depending on the overall complexity, an EIS can be stretched to 60 days.

Consider, the "official" release and time clock does not start until Jul 20.

Eldorado released it a week early.....

So due to the "compexity" of our DEIS, can/should we request and extension to 60 days? And if so, is there a specific way we should go about it?

BTW John, your knowledge and level of involvement in RDP astounds me. I totally appreciate the amount of effort (BST) you have put into this.

Thank you.

So due to the "compexity" of our DEIS, can/should we request and extension to 60 days? And if so, is there a specific way we should go about it?

BTW John, your knowledge and level of involvement in RDP astounds me. I totally appreciate the amount of effort (BST) you have put into this.

Thank you.

I (and others) have already asked for it to be extended. Jasons responce is that they are coming up to the court order deadline of Dec 31 and do not want to cosider extending the comment period.

I (and others) have already asked for it to be extended. Jasons responce is that they are coming up to the court order deadline of Dec 31 and do not want to cosider extending the comment period.

OK.

So due to the "compexity" of our DEIS, can/should we request and extension to 60 days? And if so, is there a specific way we should go about it?

BTW John, your knowledge and level of involvement in RDP astounds me. I totally appreciate the amount of effort (BST) you have put into this.

Thank you.

http://www.muirnet.net/NoteTaker/FS-Roads-Trails.ntweb/?1
http://www.muirnet.net/NoteTaker/Forest-Service.ntweb/?1
http://www.muirnet.net/NoteTaker/roads.ntweb/?1
http://www.muirnet.net/NoteTaker/ESA-Critical-Habitat.ntweb/?1

I have been studying this for a couple of years. And, frequent conversations with Brian Hawthorn, Don Amador and Don Klusman help.

John, can you maybe clarify some of the murky waters here.

we have 45 days for the writen comment period to the DEIS, which will end on Sept 4, comments go to the forest supervisor

then they issue a record of decision? that must be published in the newspaper of record. (Mountain Democrat for ENF)

do we then have 45 days to appeal the record of decision to the Regional Forester?

Rick

http://www.muirnet.net/Public/Drop-Box/2-ULUC-NEPA.pdf

That is a link to a presentation I assembled for NEPA.

After the Draft EIS is complete (Sept 4), the comments will be analyzed and a Final EIS will be submitted for comment.

After the Final, the Record of Decision will be signed and an appeals process will start.

Without going back to the court ruling to confirm, I am ASSUMING the FS is trying to have the Final EIS ready by Dec 31.

By policy, the FS will publish notice in the newspaper of record along with the Federal Register at each step (DEIS, EIS, and Record of Decision). They are required to publish only in the Federal Register.

Generally, public comment (and appeal times) for an EIS are 45 days.

Has anyone thought to swing by any of the 4x4 shops/stores in their areas? I'm betting they'll place them up to be seen. After all, this hurts them. Less wheeling spots, less desire for some to build and that means less parts sold. If I can get my stupid printer to work, I'd be willing to hit a couple spots. We should make a list of places then sign up for who will go where so we don't have 13 people going to the same spot.

Please send me the word file I cannot get the other file to print out
rockwrangler@msn.com

Got the file and printed out 50 of them and will be passing them out this weekend on our run.:D

Who has not received the flyer?? Post up or PM me, I'll send it out.

got it printing them today who needs them

Great work on the download site!

Pleaase add me to the cahain, and also send me the Word file for the new flyer. I can hit wally world and a bunch of other places in Jackson.
forbergler@aol.com

got it printing them today who needs them

Me, send some out ASAP.

Sent files to you both.....

Can you bring some of the printed flyers to the Route Des meetings to distribute?

Thanks!

Me, send some out ASAP.

sending today:D

sending today:D

You da man!

Sent files to you both.....

Can you bring some of the printed flyers to the Route Des meetings to distribute?

Thanks!

how many you want? I can also do some bigger size not quite poster but still big eye catchers.:eek:

Lets say I can distribute 50-100 at each meeting, I'll be at 4, Placerville, Folsom, Jackson and Pleasant Hill. Then those that have not had time or resources to print and distribute, will have enough to hand out to their clubs.

Hitting all the 4x4 shops, ATV and motorcycle shops is important as has been stated here. If that is too many, I'll take whatever you give me.

Thanks!:D

I will print up 1000 flyers in color along with 50 of the poster size for you to distribute as you want. I will do them tommorrow so I can get them to you any time.

I will print up 1000 flyers in color along with 50 of the poster size for you to distribute as you want. I will do them tommorrow so I can get them to you any time.

That's incredible. Thank you. I'll come pick them up.

Hey Bebe,

Can I get some flyers for my shop - Specialized 4WD? I'm also going to the Cal4 meeting on Saturday - that would be a great place to distribute flyers!

Amy

Absolutely, I'll touch base with you tomorrow morning. We'll figure it out.:)

Bebe, shoot me a file please :grinpimp: I'm heading to Grass Valley/Nevada City for the weekend and will print-distribute

Rick-

Sent, Rick. :D

Flier have been picked up. I will be distributing at Placerville, Folspm, Pleasant Hill and Jackson meetings.

Can someone email me the flyer in PDF so I can print it out?

Thanks
Lisa
Calisa1969@comcast.net

I will print up 1000 flyers in color along with 50 of the poster size for you to distribute as you want. I will do them tommorrow so I can get them to you any time.


Big Brown just droped them off. :grinpimp: I will be dropping some off at the local MX shops, auto shops, Outdoor World, and bike dealers.


Thanks again. They came out great. :smokin:

WAIT TILL YOU SEE THE POSTERS!!!!!

Took a couple to Central 4WD in Folsom.

Thank you so much for doing these j.

Comrades,
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If you have a chance, please contact some of the folks below at an opportune time.
Thanks, Dale

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I bet they print out real nice from the pdf format. (hint hint hint):laughing:
I tried printing them out from the jpeg, but it's not very clear.

Calisa1969@comcast.net

the pdf is a huge file, and I don't have it at home. Sorry....:(

try this
http://norcalrockheads.org/gallery/albums/userpics/flyer.pdf

Thanks!

try this
http://norcalrockheads.org/gallery/albums/userpics/flyer.pdf

perfect. thank you

I printed 200 of these, two sided at kinkos today, 50 of them allready went to some clamper buddies that had NO IDEA this was going on, I plan to be printing more by the end of the weekend. GET THE WORD OUT!!

Well I printed out 40 flyers and did a full tilt passout on Slick rock trail this weekend. Talked with alot of people and came back with no flyers left:D

People were gathering around me at the stair step to hear what I had to say, I Shoook alot of hands and was told thanks for doing what I was doing.
I pointed alot of people to this site for more info so I hope it gets more people involved.