: DANA 44 Steering..


tinyj9
07-19-2007, 06:33 AM
Right now I have a waggy 44 pass drop on my jeep.. The bolt pattern is 6 on 5x5 and I want to go to 5 on 5.5 in the front to match the rear.. I have no steering componets as of right now I found this http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=597340
I was thinking that these would slove my problems...if so no what else do I need... Thnks

Xjcrawler736
07-19-2007, 06:50 AM
All you need is hubs, bearings, seals and so on. Just all the stuff to put the hubs together. Oh and you are going to need Ford stub shafts to go along with the hubs. The jeep shafts are a bit shorter or longer then the fords so you are going to need them.

So hubs and everything you need to rebuild them and outer shafts.

tinyj9
07-19-2007, 10:46 AM
what about A HIGH STEER arm does that need to be drilled and tapped

Xjcrawler736
07-19-2007, 10:54 AM
It looks like you are going to have to get the passanger side knuckle drilled and tapped. As for the arms themselves it will depend on the ones you get. I would go with the Sky arms. That is what I am running. They just went down in price and they already come drilled.

http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/

The D44 arms are under the ford/dodge section on the site.

They have two different type of arms for the D44. And they have high steer hardware kits too.

more info that might help at http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/web_rs44.html

B.A.R.K
07-19-2007, 01:54 PM
I run the same front axle.
I converted to 5x5.5 using '79 Ford Bronco or F-150 hubs, rotors, bearings, and seals. IIRC you will have to get new spindles and stubs to accomodate this conversion. It has been a long time since I did this swap and forgot all of the part numbers. This swap can get costly if all new parts are used (thats what I did) but as far as D44 strength it is one of the stonger set ups out there due to Fords internal hub design. Make sure you use the Waggy pitman arm to utilize the entire throw of the stock knuckles.

B.A.R.K
07-19-2007, 02:00 PM
After looking at the link it is a dam good deal. I have seen single knuckles that a drilled and tapped go for $250 by them selves without ball joints. This will save you money on spindles.
Also, I run some ebay D44 hi-steer arms. They have held up great. I can say the same for the studs. I ended up running only cross-over steering because the pitman arm was hitting the tierod on compression.

jeepnuts99
07-19-2007, 02:34 PM
Dude, be very careful with the knuckles shown on the link. The only flat top knuckles that I know of that fit your axle are found on mid-seventies Chevy and Waggy, no Fords. The driver side flat tops are common as dirt, the passenger side is hard to find. The Ford spindles are 5 bolt, you need six bolts. BARK has it right with the Ford hub parts and you will use your calipers and mounts. You will also need small bearing spindles to go with the Ford hubs which have a small inner bearing. They can be found on the same axle that has flat top knuckles both sides or look on E-bay. Or you can turn down the inner bearing journal of your spindles. You may need to space the calipers inboard 1/4 inch as I did by welding a spacer in the caliper mount pin bosses. And I can use my Chevy stubs.

tinyj9
07-19-2007, 08:32 PM
I only need a pass flat top but I am looking to do the 5 on 5x5 conversion whats my best route

Xjcrawler736
07-20-2007, 11:55 AM
Dude, be very careful with the knuckles shown on the link. The only flat top knuckles that I know of that fit your axle are found on mid-seventies Chevy and Waggy, no Fords. The driver side flat tops are common as dirt, the passenger side is hard to find. The Ford spindles are 5 bolt, you need six bolts. BARK has it right with the Ford hub parts and you will use your calipers and mounts. You will also need small bearing spindles to go with the Ford hubs which have a small inner bearing. They can be found on the same axle that has flat top knuckles both sides or look on E-bay. Or you can turn down the inner bearing journal of your spindles. You may need to space the calipers inboard 1/4 inch as I did by welding a spacer in the caliper mount pin bosses. And I can use my Chevy stubs.

Ford did make flat top knuckles. They came on 1977-79 F150 supercabs. Since this guy is selling you 1977-79 F150 supercabs flat tops you dont need the six bolt chevy spindles. Just make sure you run all Ford from the knuckle out.

I am telling you this site tells all.
http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/flatop_knucles.html
It will give you all the part numbers and years that you will ever need to know.

87 pathy
07-20-2007, 12:09 PM
I only need a pass flat top but I am looking to do the 5 on 5x5 conversion whats my best route

Dedenbear ford flat top after market knuckle is 225 each. Thats gonna be the cheapest route, and maintain the 5 on 5.5 wheel patern.

I have looked into this myself, (i run ford stuff) and it would be the cheapest route. If i get waggy flat tops, then they have to be machined, drilled ect. and in the end you are spending as much money and the part is not as strong.

my 2 cents

tinyj9
07-22-2007, 01:27 PM
Ford did make flat top knuckles. They came on 1977-79 F150 supercabs. Since this guy is selling you 1977-79 F150 supercabs flat tops you dont need the six bolt chevy spindles. Just make sure you run all Ford from the knuckle out.

I am telling you this site tells all.
http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/flatop_knucles.html
It will give you all the part numbers and years that you will ever need to know.

So for this setup just get a arm and outter stub shafts... my existing warn hubs will work?

tinyj9
07-23-2007, 05:22 PM
will the warn hub from my waggy work with this new set up or will i need new ones They are both 19spline

Xjcrawler736
07-24-2007, 10:45 AM
Ok so I will give you a complete list of what you are going to need.

You are buying the Ford calipers, spindles, and knuckles.

You will need the Ford hubs,discs and outer shafts.

When it comes to the ford or waggy hubs. You want the 5 on 5.5 so you are going to need the ford hub itself that is held to the disc with the wheel studs.


Picture of hub

Xjcrawler736
07-24-2007, 10:51 AM
As for the locking mechanism itself (hub) Your waggy one will work. The Warn part number is 11690 and that part # crosses to the 78 ford F150 and the 78 Jeep Waggy. As long as you have all the guts of the hub itself you should be fine.

picture of locking mechanism (hub) if you have stock hubs your will look a little different.

Xjcrawler736
07-24-2007, 11:10 AM
If you have any more questions feel free to ask. I did a build similar to yours but i used a HP Ford 44 with chevy flat top knuckles since I couldnt find ford supercab knuckles. Since i used chevy knuckles i needed to use chevy spindles and outer shafts. Like you I wanted to keep the 5 on 5.5 so I mounted the ford hubs and rotors on the chevy spindles. I ended up having to machine down the spindle so the ford bearings would work on the chevy spindles but everything ended up working in the end. (had wrong year spindle otherwise I wouldn't have had to do the machining)

If you want I can send you pictures of my build.

Again feel free to ask any more questions