Anyone out there running the OTT crossover steering setup on a SAS? The pitman arm is hitting the frame on my '88 runner so that I can't turn to the right very far. The arm that OTT sent me is alot straighter than the stock IFS arm. IT looks like it would work on a 79-85 frame, but the IFS frame isn't arched enough in that area for the arm to work properly. Anyone else had this problem and know if OTT maybe sent me the wrong arm? I sent them an email but they're not in until tomorrow.

Also, the setup I have uses F-150 rod ends. The ends on the passenger side arm appear to be rubbing on each other. Anyone else had this problem?

I'll try to post some pics tomorrow if that helps.

Pull the arm, notch out the frame, and rebox it :-D

If you can, I'd follow snake's advice. This way you can move the axle forward more than 2 .5" without the draglink hitting the tie rod end.

Got any pics of this arm? What TREs does this system use?

I have that problem with my ott pitman arm as well. I ground down the tie rod end and, and nut a little. It is still very close.

We're part of the "hard-core" off-road community on this board...If you can't make it work, then you're doing something wrong, everything works, just has to be...adapted in different ways :D

Originally posted by Snake47720
Pull the arm, notch out the frame, and rebox it :-D

I thought about doing this- I need about 1/2" to 3/4" of clearance though. That's probably the route I will go, just wondered if anyone else had the same problem. I'll try to post a pic tomorrow.

Originally posted by berny327
I have that problem with my ott pitman arm as well. I ground down the tie rod end and, and nut a little. It is still very close.

I was looking at this as well-I may give it a try first. Do you have the prooblem with the ends rubbing each other on the passenger side arm?

We're part of the "hard-core" off-road community on this board...If you can't make it work, then you're doing something wrong, everything works, just has to be...adapted in different ways

I know I can make it work, but for the money I spent I shouldn't have to. An extra 1/2" of drop on the arm and it would clear the frame.

Originally posted by Snake47720
We're part of the "hard-core" off-road community on this board...If you can't make it work, then you're doing something wrong, everything works, just has to be...adapted in different ways :D

Your shittin me, right?

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

If it don't fit, get a"BIGGER FAWKIN TORCH" :D :D :D

I agree that you shouldn't have to "make it fit" My All Pro stuff fit right out of the box. I have installed a couple of Kong's. They fit right out of the box. Maybe they have mis-boxed your parts like you said, or they never tried it on an IFS frame. Also, none of them had the TREs bind. How long have they been making them? are you one of the "Guinnee pigs"?

Ben from OTT here....
The pitman arm we supplied on our earlier kits had a tendancy to expose the inconsistency of the Toyota factory steering box locations.... Some would clear fine... some were too close.
There is usually enough "slop" in the mounting sleeves that loosening the steering box off and clocking it down slightly would alleviate any clearance issues.
All new kits are being supplied with our Billet Chromoly pitman arm which has been designed with a little more drop than the previous one.

One thing that shouldn't be glossed over here is the fact that if your rod end at the pitman arm is as close to the frame as possible (but still clears) that you are not going to run into the problem that a lot of people have with the modified IFS pitman with having the spring hit the arm on up travel.

As far as the ES150 rod ends rubbing.... usually I have found it is the Non-MOOG ends, these have a little more casting flash (and sometimes a non-drilled grease nipple location)
usually this can be adressed by flipping one of the links end to end...( so it's one left ,one right ,at the passenger side arm)

Originally posted by zags
I agree that you shouldn't have to "make it fit" My All Pro stuff fit right out of the box. I have installed a couple of Kong's. They fit right out of the box. Maybe they have mis-boxed your parts like you said, or they never tried it on an IFS frame. Also, none of them had the TREs bind. How long have they been making them? are you one of the "Guinnee pigs"?

OTT is the shiat......

I have seen a # of problems with all-proops stuff, everybod has problems with there shiat, even i do with my stuff...

If everything was simple, all you dorks would be using SNAP-TO-GETHER crap :flipoff2:

Interesting thread since I just ordered an OTT pitman arm for my 85. Why? Because the arm that came with the AllPro kit hangs way down and bangs the spring on compression and bumps. The OTT arms looks like it sits higher and will solve the spring clearance problem.

So much for Zags' point of AllPro fitting out of the box.

i ordered from AOR, the new billit OTT arm. and randy told me there might be interferance with an IFS.

thats why they make BFHs and grinderz

So much for Zags' point of AllPro fitting out of the box. [/B]

Our pitman arm does not have clearance problems when used with our springs and installed according to our instructions. If the pitman arm is hitting the spring, the most likely cause is the IFS box was not installed correctly and the rear was tipped down too far. Mounting the IFS box in the same position as it is installed on a factory IFS frame prevents interference.

Originally posted by AIRZUKI
Ben from OTT here....


Only $115 for the pittman, not bad. Is it similar to the Landcruiser arm??

Originally posted by Chris Geiger


Our pitman arm does not have clearance problems when used with our springs and installed according to our instructions. If the pitman arm is hitting the spring, the most likely cause is the IFS box was not installed correctly and the rear was tipped down too far. Mounting the IFS box in the same position as it is installed on a factory IFS frame prevents interference.

Chris, the box, along with the other AllPro hysteer parts, were installed in the AllPro shop by AllPro staff. Remember? Granted, I'm not running AllPro springs, though I noticed you do have what I want on sale this month.

I'll be back in California in two weeks if you want to take a look.

Like I said, it's a system. We have all the parts dialed in as a system, but when you mix and match different parts from different vendors, you sometimes have issues.

lol
How many people will run the complete AP system?
And how much deos the whole "system" cost?

Personally I believe that if you installed it you should have at least tried to figure out if it worked..

Other wise it was good money thrown away..


But that is my opinion..

:p

:D

Originally posted by AIRZUKI
Ben from OTT here....
The pitman arm we supplied on our earlier kits had a tendancy to expose the inconsistency of the Toyota factory steering box locations.... Some would clear fine... some were too close.
There is usually enough "slop" in the mounting sleeves that loosening the steering box off and clocking it down slightly would alleviate any clearance issues.
All new kits are being supplied with our Billet Chromoly pitman arm which has been designed with a little more drop than the previous one.

One thing that shouldn't be glossed over here is the fact that if your rod end at the pitman arm is as close to the frame as possible (but still clears) that you are not going to run into the problem that a lot of people have with the modified IFS pitman with having the spring hit the arm on up travel.

As far as the ES150 rod ends rubbing.... usually I have found it is the Non-MOOG ends, these have a little more casting flash (and sometimes a non-drilled grease nipple location)
usually this can be adressed by flipping one of the links end to end...( so it's one left ,one right ,at the passenger side arm)

OK, last night I took the grinder to the rod end on the pitman arm and ground down the end sticking up and a bit of the nut on it so that it now barely clears the frame. I may also try to loosen the box a bit to see if it will in fact "clock" down slightly. I also ground down the non-drilled nipple location on the ends at the passenger side arm so they no longer hit each other.

As far as the new billet Chromoly Pitman arm, I just received my arm on May 30th, so when did these "new arms" come about?

I think I have the problem solved, I just wanted to be sure that I had the right parts before I "made it fit".

I've got one of the new OTT Pitman Arms (#5 - Actually), and it fits on my '93 no problem. No clearence issues at all. Granted I had an IFs box on to start with, but everything works great..

Originally posted by Chris Geiger
Like I said, it's a system. We have all the parts dialed in as a system, but when you mix and match different parts from different vendors, you sometimes have issues.

Funny you should say that Chris, my '86 SAS has an older Allpro Hysteer on it and the pitman arm hits the frame (not the leafs mind you though) and prevents me from turning right. Have you ever heard of any issues with the pitman arms included in the older hysteer kits (if there was one included)?